PressMyButton:

They are Yoruboid.

it's d Yoruboid for me.... hehehehehehehe!!!

Yujin:

There are more Igbo communities in Edo apart from Igbanke. Igbanke though is the largest of them all.

Igbanke is Edo and the Primary language is Bini. Ika is spoken there as a second language due to proximity with Ika communities in Delta North. And even the Ikas in Delta claim Edo heritage.

Which 'other Igbo communities' are there in Edo?

Efewestern:


The Ijaws still wield so much power in the region and are one of the most dominating group. While they come behind the Ibibio-anang-Efik and Edoid when it comes to population, these groups don't know the essence of unity. And you are actually wrong to think these non-ijoid groups are pulling out of their Ijaw identity.

The IYC is one of factor that bridges the unity of they Ijoid groups. There are a lot of other factors that has made other subgroups go strong with their Ijaw identity and letting go of that identity means their end and possible subjugation. No other group in the whole of Southern Nigeria has been able to unite all of its groups like the Ijaws has.

The Edoid groups in Bayelsa are long gone. They have been so incorporated into the overall Ijaw body and you also need to know some have Ijaw ancestry. Even here in Delta, some Edoid groups are of Ijaw ancestry including some Urhobo clans. If linguistic isn't used as a uniting force, ancestry link will definitely be used.

Ok. Let me try and reason along with you. Let's discuss the ancestral claims of communities that connects them back to Ijaws. Can you mention some Edoid communities who actually have Ijaw ancestry? Let's verify from their culture, traditions and norms to see if they're actually Ijaws or not. If the claim of their ancestry is simply because IYC says so, then don't bother yourself.
Our education helps us to study a claim based on various factors to arrive at the conclusion of either confirming the claim to be correct or fraudulent. We just don't accept hook, line and sinker whatever claims a group of persons say.

I really want the Ijaws to unite all the Ijoid speaking people because I believe it's the right thing to do. That way, confusion is minimized and synergy maximized. Communities who aren't Ijoid but are comfortable and willing to align with them shouldn't be stopped. What I don't agree with is the forceful annexation of a people who have no ethnic or linguistic affiliation with you. This is what the Ijaws are doing to those ethnic groups near to them. Like I told you before, the Ogbias were never Ijaws and are still not Ijaws. There are many other such groups who aren't Ijaws and aren't willing to be aligned with the Ijaws but were forceful put into IYC. That some of them aren't speaking out doesn't mean they want it to be so. The pressure started during Adaka Boro's time when Ijaws were handed power in Rivers. The subsequent Ijaw led governments continued with and the climax was in 2009 when the IYC unilaterally included lots of non-Ijoid groups into their fold. They even came to claim Ndoki in Abia state. If we are to follow your argument, Igbos should have kept quiet as the IYC claims Ndoki. Below is one of such Ijaw claims of a non-Ijoid speaking people as having Ijaw ancestry. They no longer make such funny claims on Ndokis anymore. BTW, we know why they came for Ndoki. It is because of Bonny and Opobo.

I await your response.

NaMe4:


Igbanke is Edo and the Primary language is Bini. Ika is spoken there as a second language due to proximity with Ika communities in Delta North. And even the Ikas in Delta claim Edo heritage.

Which 'other Igbo communities' are there in Edo?

You came late to market. Igbanke's story is well known and their people are speaking out about the marginalization by Binis. Personally, I've spoken with some Igbanke people and they clearly don't understand or speak Bini as a primary language. The Ika dialect is well spoken alongside Pidgin English. Very few older people understand Bini.
Their proximity to Agbor ensures the Ika dialect remains intact.
Once again, you're late to the market.

Meanwhile, see Ika people's response to Egharevba (Bini people) in 1939 i.e 85years ago. Don't make foolish claims next time.

MP3GAGAdotCOM:

Shut up, you're not Igbo..

Ewedu lairs.

Go through my profile. I'm igbo

Just stop fooling aroubf and browse the history of Ngwa people

LifeofDream:

I don't think you know what you're saying... The Yoruba in SS are in excess of 3 million, so why shouldn't they be mentioned.. The Itsekiri recognize their Yoruba heritage, they don't hide it..

I've stayed in delta and I don't need interpreter to communicate with my Itsekiri friends.. I feel home and not like a stranger..

Assuming that you went us to call Itshekiri people Yoruba, Yoruba tribe still won't be 3million in southsouth because Itshekiri people are very small in population.
They are only found in Warri axis and they don't even own Warri alone, they share Warri with Ijaw and Urhobo people. Warri as a city does not have a population that is up to 3million.

Yujin:

You came late to market. Igbanke's story is well known and their people are speaking out about the marginalization by Binis. Personally, I've spoken with some Igbanke people are they clearly don't understand or speak Bini as a primary language. The ika dialect is well spoken alongside Pidgin English. Very few older people understand Bini.
Their proximity to Agbor ensures the Ika dialect remains intact.
Once again, you're late to the market.

False.

Communities may adopt a second language due to proximity, migration, intermarriage, trade, etc. Also many migrants claim indigeneship over time. Igbanke has always been Bini and is Bini.

What is the Igbo history in Igbanke?

Still waiting for the other communities in Edo.

NaMe4:


False.

Communities may adopt a second language due to proximity, migration, trade, etc. Also many migrants claim indigeneship over time. Igbanke has always been Bini and is Bini. Did the igbos ever colonize them into speaking their language? Do you guys have working brains?

What is the Igbo history in Igbanke?

Still waiting for the other communities in Edo.

Bini as a language is not spoken in Igbanke.
Bini is not even spoken in Ekpoma.

Una go just come here to talk nonsense. Igbanke first language is Igboid called Ika and not Bini.
Does it even make sense for you to abandon your own language and be speaking another language as first language? That's why all these Bini heritage shit does not make sense to me, it's all for political gains.

The story of adopting Igbo language would have made sense if igbos had colinized them or forcefully form an empire there. But that's not the case, all these stories na gibberish.
Person leave his Bini ancestral name come dey bear Igbo name and even change their king title to Eze etc.

You are part of an ethnic group by virtue of the local language that you speak in your ancestral land.

FatherOfJesus:
Bini as a language is not spoken in Igbanke.
Bini is not even spoken in Ekpoma.

Una go just come here to talk nonsense. Igbanke first language is Igboid called Ika and not Bini.
Does it even make sense for you to abandon your own language and be speaking another language as first language? That's why all these Bini heritage shit does not make sense to me, it's all for political gains.

The story of adopting Igbo language would have made sense if igbos had colinized them or forcefully form an empire there. But that's not the case, all these stories na gibberish.
Person leave his Bini ancestral name come dey bear Igbo name and even change their king title to Eze etc.

You are part of an ethnic group by virtue of the local language that you speak in your ancestral land.

LOL Bini is not spoken in Ekpoma indeed! Na Igbo! Jeez!

This is Issele-Uku in Delta State:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2WsVhUAQEA?si=2AfjG7cJAsKrJ3Zt

mrvitalis:

Lmaooo ijews? Lmaooo which ijaws? Lmaooo anioma is bigger than the whole ijaws combined

Just leave the op to be fooling himself

NaMe4:


Igbanke is Edo and the Primary language is Bini. Ika is spoken there as a second language due to proximity with Ika communities in Delta North. And even the Ikas in Delta claim Edo heritage.

Which 'other Igbo communities' are there in Edo?

I don't write what I'm not certain about. I'll give you just one name for you to go and confirm. There are still more.
Another Ika community in Edo state is Oghada. It is connected by road directly NW of Igbanke. It also has boundary with Agbor. You can go and verify for yourself.

mrvitalis:

Lol igbos re the largest group in South South

Let the Igbophobic op know bro. Someone will just come online and be making fool of himself.

NaMe4:


LOL Bini is not spoken in Ekpoma indeed! Na Igbo! Jeez!

This is Issele-Uku in Delta State:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2WsVhUAQEA?si=2AfjG7cJAsKrJ3Zt

This one cannot differentiate Esan from Bini.

This nairaland is full of people who have absolutely no knowledge about the demography of Nigeria, especially Yoruba people (they have a way of not knowing absolutely nothing about the demography of Nigeria) .

Ekpoma na Esan and not Bini. You only depending of hearsays on the internet to make conclusions, you don't have real-time knowledge about those places.
Bini is spoken in Benin city and some other closer local government.
Igbanke people speak a mixture of Esan and Ika and not Bini

I can post hundred of videos of Ika people staying they are igbos. Even Ifeanyi Okowa, former governor of Delta state from Ikaland said he's Igbo. So there no need cherrypicking videos online to suit your narratives

NaMe4:


False.

Communities may adopt a second language due to proximity, migration, intermarriage, trade, etc. Also many migrants claim indigeneship over time. Igbanke has always been Bini and is Bini.

What is the Igbo history in Igbanke?

Still waiting for the other communities in Edo.

If you're smart enough, you'll see that Igbanke is at the boundary created not long ago. It simply means that before Bendel state was splitted, Igbanke and other nearby Ika communities were all called Bendel/Ika Igbo. Igbanke isn't Biniland simply because they're found in Edo state. It's just common sense.
Igbanke is Igbo and remains Igbo just like Oghada.

Yujin:

I don't write what I'm not certain about. I'll give you just one name for you to go and confirm. There are still more.
Another Ika community in Edo state is Oghada. It is connected by road directly NW of Igbanke. It also has boundary with Agbor. You can go and verify for yourself.

Bro, Oghada is a Village in Uhunmwode, Edo South and they are Binis, speak Bini, have their Enogie and other traditional leaders in the Edo heriarchical system.

Yujin:

If you're smart enough, you'll see that Igbanke is at the boundary created not long ago. It simply means that before Bendel state was splitted, Igbanke and other nearby Ika communities were all called Bendel/Ika Igbo. Igbanke isn't Biniland simply because they're found in Edo state. It's just common sense.
Igbanke is Igbo and remains Igbo just like Oghada.

To be sincere, all igbanke don't speak Igbo.
Some communities speak ika while some speak Esan. Bini as a language has to root in Igbanke.

The ruler of igbanke is called Onojie, which is an Esan name. Ika people are like a melting point for Igbo and Edoid culture. The reason why they have Edo and Igbo culture to be sincere is still unknown but people are coming up with various hypotheses and the most accepted is that they are originally esan/bini people who were influenced by the igbos.

But this hypothesis does not make any sense to me if they cannot demonstrate how Igbo influenced them so bad that many of them changed their kings name from Oba to Eze.
And even if anyone ends up explaining it, it still goes a long way to demonstrate that igbos were at some point very powerful and they hegemonized the Bini kingdom into changing their culture and adopting Igbo culture. There's no where in history with evidence that all these happened.

So in your estimation, Efik doesn't have up to 1million?

Armaggedon:
expecially when the person is telling you hurtful truths and providing you facts that you can't disprove. You want to hide under " indigene" to console.

First it was that they don't accept to be called Igbo ( who ever told you that) therefore I will not count them as Igbo. Lol 🤡 clown

Second it was that they are not gazetted as Igbos therefore I will not count them as Igbos. I wonder when government start creating ethnic groups.

You third excuse now is that I am not an indegene. You are practically begging me to stay off the issue so that you'll be free to make wild and self consoling claims about the so called South South.
Are you aware that when Obi wali wanted Rivers state to be in the south East, Riverine groups agreed? 🤡 clown.

Abeg save ur energy and leave that mumu

FatherOfJesus:
I think so too, without the Nigerian politics and jamboree, igboid groups occupy the majority of southsouth but ofcourse people play poltics with these things. The divide and Conquer tactics.
There's no single state in southsouth that does not have an Igbo speaking community

Have you forgetting that there is also Igbos in benue and kogi state. That of benue and kogi is more than a ward, so op cannot masturbate with the ward thing

garfield1:


Go and open your own thread then.we ss knows ijaws are the largest

Shut up and accept the truth you dimwit

FatherOfJesus:
This one cannot differentiate Esan from Bini.

This nairaland is full of people who have absolutely no knowledge about the demography of Nigeria, especially Yoruba people (they have a way of not knowing absolutely nothing about the demography of Nigeria) .

Ekpoma na Esan and not Bini. You only depending of hearsays on the internet to make conclusions, you don't have real-time knowledge about those places.
Bini is spoken in Benin city and some other closer local government.
Igbanke people speak a mixture of Esan and Ika and not Bini

I can post hundred of videos of Ika people staying they are igbos. Even Ifeanyi Okowa, former governor of Delta state from Ikaland said he's Igbo. So there no need cherrypicking videos online to suit your narratives

What's the difference between Esan and Bini?
You're obviously not from Edo and oblivious of Edo history and languages.

By the way, how did 'Esan and Ika' language mixture in Igbanke equate to Igbo?


Ifaenyi Okowa? Now that's a valid example of an individual seeking political benefit.

Trustmea:

Have you forgetting that there is also Igbos in benue and kogi state. That of benue and kogi is more than a ward, so op cannot masturbate with the ward thing

I know all these are for politics.

Whetht igbos in southsouth say they are not Igbos, for the fact that thy speak Igbo language and have Igbo cultures, it means that some of their ancestors married many Igbo men that was enough outweigh the Bini in them. So whether they like it or not, they have Igbo blood in them.

NaMe4:


What's the difference between Esan and Bini?
You're obviously not from Edo and oblivious of Edo history and languages.

By the way, how did 'Esan and Ika' language mixture in Igbanke equate to Igbo?


Ifaenyi Okowa? Now that's a valid example of an individual seeking political benefit.

Esan is to Bini what Ikwerre is to Igbo.

But you will not agree 😂

Because Ika is to Igbo what Esan is to Bini.

FatherOfJesus:
Although the population of Igbos in crossriver and Edo is very small, but they are certainly more than 1 ward in especially crossriver. Itigidi, the local government headquarters of Abi local government area in crossriver is an Igbo enclave.

Itigidi has more than 1 ward. And itigidi is not only the Igbo speaking community in Crossriver

Na war make those Akwa-Cross Igbos go hide but they'll shoot out soon

FatherOfJesus:
To be sincere, all igbanke don't speak Igbo.
Some communities speak ika while some speak Esan. Bini as a language has to root in Igbanke.

The ruler of igbanke is called Onojie, which is an Esan name. Ika people are like a melting point for Igbo and Edoid culture. The reason why they have Edo and Igbo culture to be sincere is still unknown but people are coming up with various hypotheses and the most accepted is that they are originally esan/bini people who were influenced by the igbos.

But this hypothesis does not make any sense to me if they cannot demonstrate how Igbo influenced them so bad that many of them changed their kings name from Oba to Eze.
And even if anyone ends up explaining it, it still goes a long way to demonstrate that igbos were at some point very powerful and they hegemonized the Bini kingdom into changing their culture and adopting Igbo culture. There's no where in history with evidence that all these happened.

Igbanke is an Igbo community of the Ika stock. Whatever Esan you find there is as a result of proximity which is common in many ethnic boundary areas. Igbanke has six quarters and all of them are Igbo speaking with fewer Esan borrowed words. Going East of Igbanke is heading to Esan territory where you find a community called Ekpon. Now this is the community with a proportionate mix of Igbo and Esan. From my estimation, Esan seems to be more influential in Ekpon but the Ika Igbo presence is also visible.
Igbanke call their kings Eze because that's their utmost word for a king just as it is all over Igboland.

As for the reason behind the mixing of cultures, it happens everywhere at border communities. From my observation, the Igbo/Esan mix is much more than the Igbo/Bini mix maybe because the Esans are more amenable to the Igbo republican nature and hence easily blend in with Igbos unlike the Bini that are engrossed in their monarchy. Most Bini that came into Ikaland were fleeing their monarchy. Some Esans came as far down as Asaba and integrated into their society. The same happened among the Igbos who went as far as Edo north. Do you know that the Igbo oja was found as far as Uzebba, northern Edo state?
By and large, the relationship among the tripartite of Igbo, Bini and Esan was a funny one. While there's no doubt that the Bini monarchy was respected by all, the Igbos still wanted their independence and fought Bini anytime they wanted to go beyond their level. The Esans accepted to have Enogies subject to Bini but didn't want to be called Bini people. The average people of the ethnic groups just moved and settled wherever they felt at home and communed with one another especially as they used the Igbo market days.
The Bini traders who came to trade at River Niger (Asaba) eventually settled in some of the Igbo communities on the path because they felt at home among them. Igbos who went to Benin for trade and other things settled in Benin and also around it but were forced to retreat after sometime leaving just a few scattered around after Abudu.
This is the best I could make out of the scattered communities around that boundary.

FatherOfJesus:
Go through my profile. I'm igbo

Just stop fooling aroubf and browse the history of Ngwa people

Is it only Ngwa people you know their history? Ewedu illiterates.

Yujin:

Igbanke is an Igbo community of the Ika stock. Whatever Esan you find there is as a result of proximity which is common in many ethnic boundary areas. Igbanke has six quarters and all of them are Igbo speaking with fewer Esan borrowed words. Going East of Igbanke is heading to Esan territory where you find a community called Ekpon. Now this is the community with a proportionate mix of Igbo and Esan. From my estimation, Esan seems to be more influential in Ekpon but the Ika Igbo presence is also visible.
Igbanke call their kings Eze because that's their utmost word for a king just as it is all over Igboland.

As for the reason behind the mixing of cultures, it happens everywhere at border communities. From my observation, the Igbo/Esan mix is much more than the Igbo/Bini mix maybe because the Esans are more amenable to the Igbo republican nature and hence easily blend in with Igbos unlike the Bini that engrossed in their monarchy. Most Bini that came into Ikaland were fleeing their monarchy. Some Esans came as far down as Asaba and integrated into their society. The same happened among the Igbos who went as far as Edo north. Do you know that the Igbo oja was found as far as Uzebba, northern Edo state?
By and large, the relationship among the tripartite of Igbo, Bini and Esan was a funny one. While there's no doubt that the Bini monarchy was respected by all, the Igbos still wanted their independence and fought Bini anytime they wanted to go beyond their level. The Esans accepted to have Enogies subject to Bini but didn't want to be called Bini people. The average people of the ethnic groups just moved and settled wherever they felt at home and communed with one another especially as they used the Igbo market days.
The Bini traders who came to trade at River Niger (Asaba) eventually settled in some of the Igbo communities on the path because they felt at home among them. Igbos who went to Benin for trade and other things settled in Benin and also around it but were forced to retreat after sometime leaving just a few scattered around after Abudu.
This is the best I could make out of the scattered communities around that boundary.

no, igbanke is a combination of Esan and Ika.

Eteka1:
So in your estimation, Efik doesn't have up to 1million?

How much is calabar,odukpani and akpabuyo

FatherOfJesus:
no, igbanke is a combination of Esan and Ika.

Oga it is not any combination.
Unless you accept that Esan is a combination of Igbo and Esan.

Igbanke is strictly Ika, an Igboid language.
Whatever influences Esan has on Igbanke was not a one way traffic, Igbanke also exacted an Igbo influence on Esan. So if you are saying that Igbanke is Easn + Ika, then it means that Esan is Bini +Igbo (Ika). Now does this make sense to you?

garfield1, kindly breakdown how you arrived at Ijaw being 5-7million. Thanks.

steeltrust:
same thing with ijaws na
The own a whole state bayelsa and are majority in rivers, delta and edo while Igbos are majority or almost in rivers, delta, and lga’s in akwaibom and cross river

Bayelsa of only 8 LGA with a population of 1.5M in last censusis what yoire talking about. If not for politics of patronage, is that surmised to be a state.

A state where 2 LGAs produce a senator. Lolz.

2 LGAs in Rivers state, Obio/Akpor and Port Harcourt City are more populated than Bayelsa state.

jamesversion:
garfield1, kindly breakdown how you arrived at Ijaw being 5-7million. Thanks.

2 mil in bayelsa,1.5 mil in rivers,800k in delta,400k in ondo,100k in Edo and 200k in aks