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Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by grandstar(m): 1:22pm On Apr 12 |
Many today are convinced that the modern day nation of Israel is still chosen by God. Many rest Israel's seeming "invincibility" in the Middle East is due to God's blessing. Let us focus on what the Bible actually says about Israel. Please go through the article posted below. You could also use the link posted below it to make the reading easier as all bible references are click able. Your responses would be most appreciated. Does Bible Prophecy Point to the Modern State of Israel? TODAY the world nervously watches the Middle East. Rocket attacks, clashes of armed militias, and terrorist bombings are frequent occurrences. Add to this explosive mixture the very real possibility that nuclear weapons could be used. No wonder people everywhere are worried! The world was also anxiously watching the Middle East in May of 1948. At that time, 62 years ago (This article was first published in 2010), the British mandate to occupy what was then called Palestine was ending, and war was imminent. The year before, the United Nations had authorized the creation of an independent Jewish State in a portion of the occupied territories. The surrounding Arab nations had vowed to prevent this at any cost. “The partition line shall be nothing but a line of fire and blood,” warned the Arab League. It was Friday afternoon, May 14, 1948, at 4:00 p.m. The final hours of the British mandate were ticking away. In the Tel Aviv Museum, a small crowd of 350 onlookers were present by secret invitation for an eagerly anticipated announcement—the formal declaration of statehood for the modern-day nation of Israel. Security was tight, lest the numerous enemies of the fledgling State attack the proceedings. David Ben-Gurion, May 14, 1948 David Ben-Gurion, the leader of Israel’s National Council, read The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel. It stated, in part: “We, members of the People’s Council, representatives of the Jewish Community of Eretz-Israel . . . by virtue of our natural and historic right and on the strength of the Resolution of the United Nations General Assembly, hereby declare the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel.” A Fulfillment of Bible Prophecy? Some Evangelical Protestants believe that the modern State of Israel thus fulfilled a Bible prophecy. For example, in the book Jerusalem Countdown, clergyman John Hagee states: “This momentous occasion had been recorded by the pen of the prophet Isaiah, saying, ‘A nation shall be born in a day.’ (See Isaiah 66:8.) . . . It was the greatest moment in prophetic history of the twentieth century. It was living evidence for all men to see that the God of Israel was alive and well.” Is that statement true? Did Isaiah 66:8 predict the establishment of the modern State of Israel? Was May 14, 1948, the “greatest moment in prophetic history of the twentieth century”? If the modern State of Israel is still God’s chosen nation, and if he is using it to fulfill Bible prophecies, this would certainly be of interest to Bible students everywhere. Isaiah’s prophecy states: “Who has heard of a thing like this? Who has seen things like these? Will a land be brought forth with labor pains in one day? Or will a nation be born at one time? For Zion has come into labor pains as well as given birth to her sons.” (Isaiah 66: ![]() Modern Israel is governed as a secular democracy that officially makes no claim to rely on the God of the Bible. Did the Israelis in 1948 recognize Jehovah God as the one responsible for their declaration of statehood? They did not. Neither the name of God nor even the word “God” was mentioned anywhere in the original text of the proclamation. The book Great Moments in Jewish History says this of the final text: “Even at 1:00 P.M. when the National Council met, its members could not agree about the wording of the proclamation of statehood. . . . Observant Jews wanted a reference to ‘the God of Israel.’ Secularists balked. Compromising, Ben-Gurion decided that the word ‘Rock’ would appear instead of ‘God.’” The modern State of Israel to this day bases its claim to statehood on a UN resolution and what it calls the natural and historic right of the Jewish people. Is it reasonable to expect that the God of the Bible would perform the greatest prophetic miracle in the 20th century in behalf of a people who refuse to give him credit? How Does the Modern Claim to Statehood Compare? Modern Israel’s secular attitude contrasts sharply with the situation in 537 B.C.E. Back then, the nation of Israel was indeed ‘reborn’ as if in a day after being devastated and depopulated by the Babylonians 70 years earlier. At that time, Isaiah 66:8 was strikingly fulfilled when the Persian conqueror of Babylon, Cyrus the Great, authorized the return of the Jews to their homeland.—Ezra 1:2. The Persian King Cyrus recognized Jehovah’s hand in the matter in 537 B.C.E., and those who returned to Jerusalem did so for the express purpose of restoring the worship of Jehovah God and rebuilding his temple. The modern State of Israel has never officially declared any such desire or intention. Still God’s Chosen Nation? In the year 33 C.E., the fleshly nation of Israel lost its claim to be God’s chosen nation when it rejected Jehovah’s Son, the Messiah. The Messiah himself put it this way: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her . . . Look! Your house is abandoned to you.” (Matthew 23:37, 38) Jesus’ statement came true when in 70 C.E., Roman legions destroyed Jerusalem along with its temple and priesthood. But what was to become of God’s purpose to have a “special property out of all other peoples, . . . a kingdom of priests and a holy nation”?—Exodus 19:5, 6. The apostle Peter, himself a fleshly Jew, answered that question in a letter written to Christians—both Gentile and Jewish. He wrote: “You are ‘a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession,’ . . . for you were once not a people, but are now God’s people; you were those who had not been shown mercy, but are now those who have been shown mercy.”—1 Peter 2:7-10. Christians who were selected by holy spirit thus belong to a spiritual nation, their membership not being determined by birth or geographic location. The apostle Paul described the matter this way: “Neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation is something. And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God.”—Galatians 6:15, 16. Whereas the modern nation of Israel offers to confer citizenship upon any natural or converted Jew, citizenship in what the Bible calls “the Israel of God” is given only to those who are “obedient and sprinkled with the blood of Jesus Christ.” (1 Peter 1:1, 2) Speaking of these members of the Israel of God, or spiritual Jews, Paul wrote: “He is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. The praise of that one comes, not from men, but from God.”—Romans 2:28, 29. That verse helps us understand a controversial comment Paul made. In his letter to the Romans, Paul explained how the unbelieving natural Jews were like branches of a symbolic olive tree that were lopped off so that “wild” Gentile “branches” could be grafted in. (Romans 11:17-21) Concluding this illustration, he states: “A dulling of sensibilities has happened in part to Israel until the full number of people of the nations has come in, and in this manner all Israel will be saved.” (Romans 11:25, 26) Was Paul foretelling an eleventh hour mass conversion of the Jews to Christianity? Clearly, no such conversion has taken place. What did Paul’s illustration of the olive tree mean? By the expression “all Israel,” Paul meant all of spiritual Israel—Christians who have been selected by holy spirit. He was saying that the failure of the natural Jews to accept the Messiah would not thwart God’s purpose to have a spiritual ‘olive tree’ full of productive branches. This is in harmony with Jesus’ own illustration of himself as a vine whose nonproductive branches will be lopped off. Jesus said: “I am the true vine, and my Father is the cultivator. Every branch in me not bearing fruit he takes away, and every one bearing fruit he cleans, that it may bear more fruit.”—John 15:1, 2. Although the establishment of the modern State of Israel was not foretold in the Bible, the establishment of the nation of spiritual Israel certainly was! If you identify and associate with that spiritual nation today, you will reap eternal blessings.—Genesis 22:15-18; Galatians 3:8, 9. https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20101101/bible-prophecy-modern-state-israel/ |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:43pm On Apr 12 |
grandstar: Good afternoon brother! ![]() |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by grandstar(m): 2:02pm On Apr 12 |
MaxInDHouse: Thank you. Much appreciated |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by Jokerman(m): 7:13pm On Apr 12 |
Israel is Israel. You guys should stop all this gaslighting of ancient and modern Israel.... Na the sacking of Jerusalem by Rome in 70AD cause all these brouhaha though.... |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:35am On Apr 13 |
Jokerman: This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits. Matthew 21:43 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. 38 Look! Your house is abandoned to you" Matthew 23:37-38 The Son of God who is the Judge uttered the above against Israel so that nation has been CURSED until they turn to Christianity in its full strength otherwise they are nothing but a pagan nation just like any other! 1 Like |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by grandstar(m): 9:37am On Apr 13 |
Jokerman: There's no gaslighting. Modern day Israel bares no resemblance to that of old. Where's the temple? When the Jewish exiles returned from Babylon, there first task was to restore pure worship and rebuild the temple. Present day Israel has done no such thing. There are no more records for the 12 tribes of Israel. They were all lost during the sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD. They don't even use the Bible again. It's the Talmud. |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by Jokerman(m): 10:30am On Apr 13 |
grandstar: The temple will be built at the set time, when the time of the false Christ advents |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by Courz: 10:52am On Apr 13 |
The modern Israel claiming to be the Israelites of Old are Impostors from the Khazarian Empire from the Caucus mountains. A group of European Satanic bloodline claiming to be Jews but are not. History books already exposed who they really are and there are books about Royal families who have worked with Jews in the 1700s who claimed that the Jews were Black skinned, not the fake Jews you see over there in Isreal. There are ancient Ethiopian Bibles untouched by the Catholic church having pictures of Jesus, his disciples and every Man and woman of old Israel depicted as Brown/Black skinned. Do not be fooled! God already made It clear that because of their disobedience the Real Israelites would be taken as slaves in ships, scattered around the world with some of them unaware that they are Jews and a significant number of them being aware and still retaining their Jewish names and Culture. So, this prophecy from God already exposed the Fake Jews of today. Were these Fake Jews ever taken as Slaves in ships all over the world? NO. Instead, they are the ones ruling everything in the world and controlling all the Financial and religious sectors of the world along with Satan. Are they scattered around the world with no knowledge of who they are? NO. Almighty God and Jesus have debunked them completely. People just need to wake up! This is the time for increasing knowledge. Do your research about this present fake Israel. There are so many sources of info out there. I pity Christians in Nigeria who are ignorantly siding with these impostors. A lot of real Jews are waking up now to their True identity because the Bible says in the end times, knowledge will increase and What has been hidden for many years will be revealed. The Real Jews in Nigeria, Ghana, South Africa, Kenya, e.tc are already aware of who they are. Some of them are very informed to the point that they can trace their lineage all the way to the Tribes of Israel just by following Family names. |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by grandstar(m): 12:09pm On Apr 13 |
Jokerman: Where does the Bible say this ![]() |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by Veecruz: 12:21pm On Apr 13 |
MaxInDHouse: Off point! The question is, Isreal today still the Chosen of God? |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by Veecruz: 12:26pm On Apr 13 |
grandstar: Look at the new testament. Do you see the 12 tribes existing and having any relevance then What you fail to see is that the Isreal we see today are the same anti God, evil, stiffnecked people God took out of Egypt. |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:20pm On Apr 13 |
Veecruz:Can you please stop quoting me? ![]() |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by Veecruz: 2:10pm On Apr 13 |
MaxInDHouse: Only if you dont say something wrong or absolutely misleading |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:02pm On Apr 13 |
Veecruz: Is there anyone on this forum that is not saying what is misleading to you? ![]() |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by Prosper1912: 6:37pm On Apr 14 |
Jokerman: No bro modern day isreal isn't same Israel of old |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by grandstar(m): 12:34am On Apr 20 |
Veecruz: It is definitely not! |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by StillDtruth: 3:23am On Apr 20 |
grandstar: It is off point! Your header clearly says so. |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by StillDtruth: 3:26am On Apr 20 |
MaxInDHouse: Off point! You are the one misleading others now. |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by StillDtruth: 3:28am On Apr 20 |
Prosper1912: You are wrong. They are still the same anti God, evil, stiffnecked people God took out of Egypt. |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by paxonel(m): 7:00am On Apr 20 |
THE MODERN ISRAELI ARE ACTUALLY THE ISREALITES OF BIBLE DAYS. THEY STILL SPEAK THE HEBREW LANGUAGE AND UPHOLD THE JEWISH RELIGION JUDAISM TILL TODAY. CURRENTLY, THEY ARE JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER NATIONS BEFORE GOD AND THERE IS NOTHING SPECIAL COVENANT ABOUT THEM ANYMORE, THEREFORE THEY ARE ON THEIR OWN. EXCEPT FOR THE VERY FEW AMONG THEM THAT ARE CHRISTIANS |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:27am On Apr 20 |
StillDtruth:Until you present a single Nairalander who is not misleading then i will believe you're mentally stable because from what i noticed about mad people everyone around them are misleading! ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Fact Check: Is The Modern day Israel Still God's Chosen Nation? by StillDtruth: 9:54am On Apr 20 |
MaxInDHouse: You have already proven that you are a mad person for every normal person knows that they would be tackled when they say a wrong thing. But here you are making unreasonably making noise about showing you other people"s errors, and you think you are not mad. |
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