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Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:17pm On Apr 25 |
Aemmyjah:Oh, I have answered that question. Please scurry away in shame |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by Aemmyjah(m): 10:19pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: I have already dropped 2 pictures on this thread Why not modify yourself to be like them Or do you want to have horns like Mountain goats |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:19pm On Apr 25 |
FRANCISTOWN:That part of my post flew over their brains. They cannot comprehend it. Their brains could not understand the grammar there. But what do u expect from theists who can't understand English |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by StillDtruth: 10:20pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: See Liar don change mouth again say na sarcasm. You are so delided that you tbink people do not see when you are lying. The only person you are deceiving is yourself. |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:22pm On Apr 25 |
Aemmyjah:But u guys disturb us that Yahweh created us dont you? Why u dey change mouth? Yes I said babies are born with disabilities. Is that grammar too difficult to comprehend? |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by Aemmyjah(m): 10:22pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: Fossil record does not confirm evolution theory Lemme ask you When Fossil Ida was discovered, there was a press and it was published on a headline of a popular newspaper that Ida was the missing link Later, it was discovered Ida is not the missing link, they only put in a paragraph of a science journal Are they showing any integrity? |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:23pm On Apr 25 |
StillDtruth:Parents teach their kids bible way before you were born. Please switched on your brain and think for once |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by Aemmyjah(m): 10:24pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: You said it was your parents that created you... Very sick fellow |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:24pm On Apr 25 |
Aemmyjah:Do u even understand evolution? And u said u r a biologist? |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by Aemmyjah(m): 10:28pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: Parents instill knowledge and religious values into their young ones like like teaching them to Carry out home chores, languages... Whether Christian, Muslim or idol worshipper, it's a natural thing to instill religious values in children as it can help them morally So rest |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by Aemmyjah(m): 10:29pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: Ask LordReed or SIRtee15 or francistown which of them believe they're poorly made |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by StillDtruth: 10:31pm On Apr 25 |
FRANCISTOWN: See how atheists reason! So Toyota stopped being intelligent when their Camrys were defective? Or you stopped being intelligent because your work was defective? If toyota refuses to recall its camry because of defects, is the reasonable thing not to ask them why? A clear proof that atheists are the most unreasonable people in the world |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by Aemmyjah(m): 10:31pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: No I'm a med who believe that labor in women is easy đ |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:39pm On Apr 25 |
SIRTee15:1. Yes, yours Christian fundamentals claim the universe was made in 7 days by Yahweh. If you doubt me, I'll show you both online and offline evidence. Mainstream Christianity believe in the 7 day creation story. In fact, go to your church, take a pool and ask your fellow chrissies if they actually believed the story of the creation literally ,then show us the poll. I can bet u 99% would say yes. So please take your beef out with them 2. I can show you screenshot of the Christian that challenged me to do the thread. His name is Emusan. Check his profile and his posts and you'll see it. And u owe me an apology for insinuating otherwise 3. Christians choose any topic about atheists and masturbate on it all day long, without asking atheists their beliefs. Did you bother yourself about that? No. So even if that's what I did, suck it up, cos u guys do it too 4. He who alleges, must provide proof. If u insist Jesus resurrected, please show proof. All the proofs provided has been shown to be lies, serious barefaced lies. From the handkerchief in Turin to the supposed spear. All lies |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by StillDtruth: 10:39pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: See Liar from Ps 3.generation, yet you were claiming above 40 years and yet here you are talking stupidly, Obviously, lying has become a sport for you and oneday, you.will lie yourself into torn torsos. |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:40pm On Apr 25 |
Aemmyjah:Please show where it is in the bible or shut up ur dirty latrine |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:41pm On Apr 25 |
Aemmyjah:Why would I change my appearance to that? Did I tell you I have mental issues? |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:47pm On Apr 25 |
Aemmyjah:Yes, fossils confirm evolution. Who confirmed Fossil Ida as missing links? Scientists. Who debunked fossil Ida as missing link? Scientists. What does it tell you? Science always looks out for verifiable truth. If there is an element of doubt, it is eschewed. Thats why theories are debunked after decades and better theories put up. Scientists have been making discoveries and more and more fossils have backed evolution. If there are fossils that debunk evolution, they'll debunk and eschew evolution just like they debunked Fossil Ida as missing link |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:48pm On Apr 25 |
Aemmyjah:Yup. But u guys said its Yahweh. Why are u confusing the thunder that wants to strike you |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:49pm On Apr 25 |
Aemmyjah:Read closely .I was responding to ur fellow cretard who said parents don't teach their children Bible during the 80s. Madmen |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:50pm On Apr 25 |
Aemmyjah:And if they agree they are poorly made, u would ask all the atheists on Nairaland the same question. Stupido, u asked me if I'm poorly made, and I replied u. Stop making yourself look foolish further |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by jaephoenix(m): 10:52pm On Apr 25 |
StillDtruth: Lol. So Toyota, made by humans is equivalent to Yahweh, the all powerful dicksucker? That's interesting 1 Like |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by StillDtruth: 10:58pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: See proof that atheists are devils and children of satan who have nothing to say but to speak lies and insalt God as prophecied Where every normal person gets the value and purpose of an example but because an atheist cannot answer, he resorts to abusing God, as i said at the begining of this thread that the atheists must do when challenged |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by TenQ: 10:59pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix:Okay! Fire on! jaephoenix:Day does not mean solar 24 Hours because if you note, the sun did not appear till the FOURTH day jaephoenix:1. The whole earth was covered with water. 2. There was creation of the firmament (lower atmosphere) from the water. (There was no exact details about if some of the waters escaped through the upper atmosphere) 3. Then there was separation of the land from the remaining water The Bible is not a scientific Book, thus no one can say the details of what happened with carbon dioxide and water vapour were partly replaced by oxygen. NOTE: The earth was created from the Beginning of time but somehow, Gen 1:2 opened with the fact that the earth was destroyed (The Earth without Form and Void and covered with water). Therefore, most of CO2 or O2 or any other molecules were probably already present. jaephoenix:Light was the First thing God made in the re-creation of the earth even before the creation of the earth sir. Even if Plants needed Light, this would suffice. Nevertheless, the God who created plants can sustain them before the creation of the sun. Do plants die immediately if they do not receive sun rays? jaephoenix:This had been trated above. jaephoenix:Note: Verse 20 says both land and Flying animals were created. Verse 24 expands on verse 20. Moreover everything happened on day 5. jaephoenix:All Your questions have been answered: You can Reason your Way to God or Choose to Stay Blind 1. An Infinite regress of Cause and Effect is Logically Impossible 2. Our Physical Universe has a beginning at about 13.8 Billion years ago. Time , Space and matter appeared simultaneously with this beginning 3. Whatever Caused the Universe to change from its state of Singularity to this universe must be outside our universe 4. Whatever caused the Universe must not be subject to the Energies and the Laws that Govern this Universe: Such must not obey the laws of Physics and Chemistry because the laws of Physics and Chemistry did not exist until after the big bang/inflation 5. The Cause of the Universe must be Uncaused because infinite regress of Cause and effect is Logically impossible. 6. Because Intelligence in Animals and Men cannot happen out of chaos, the Cause of Life must also be Intelligent and he has His purpose for creating the Universe. 7. The Cause of the Universe can therefore be called the Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything. As Christians we know His name as Yahweh and people just call Him God. |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by Aemmyjah(m): 11:00pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: So far You said you're a descendant of ape Your purpose is to live for self Labor in women is easy We are in the world for no reason Humans are poorly made The Brain is poorly made You're foolishly will sink the Titanic |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by Aemmyjah(m): 11:09pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: Confirming something and still debunking same thing Just de play |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by Aemmyjah(m): 11:11pm On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: Kindly tag someone else among your atheists friends that is poorly made |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:07am On Apr 26 |
Aemmyjah: THE TRUTH Jehovah created humans in his image {Genesis 1:26} as the greatest teacher Jehovah taught Jesus to become productive therefore humans are always trying to teach/impact in others what we know. Of all the creatures on this planet only humans have tamed other creatures teaching them how to do things differently from the way they naturally does. So don't be surprised that even an atheist wants to impact in others what he thought he knows but then instead of arguing with him on the topic he raises let him tell you the benefit of what he's trying to impact for instance if all the people around him are doing things the way he feels/thinks how will it benefit everyone? And since he's so sure of what he has how many has he impacted the knowledge or ideas in their hearts so we can observe them to see the benefits? That is when you will discover that atheists are completely empty because in that aspect they are just unproductive yet they want to impact in others what they feel they know! |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:19am On Apr 26 |
jaephoenix:You mentioned my name expecting me to join in what is fruitless/unproductive i told you why i'm not interested then you paste the below drawing instead of imagining me in the midst of millions working together to make the world a better place you assumed i'm alone flying. Is that not hilarious? Well try to see me in the midst of millions who are working as one family and BENEFITING themselves!
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Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by Lawag3: 8:11am On Apr 26 |
jaephoenix: When it comes to creation story I'm of a particular school of thought, even if I did explain it to you, you'll not understand. You're quick to say the bible lied. What if fossil records are wrong. |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by Emusan(m): 8:24am On Apr 26 |
jaephoenix: Do you know what challenge mean? This is the second time you've been saying this but because I couldn't address your thread and the post yesterday, you made this statement again. What I said was that you can create any topics of yours on this forum and tag people and even people you didn't tag will still respond. Lack of simple comprehension is at play here or because you're too curious to deviate from that thread. |
Re: The Christian Creation Story. Why Its An Old Wives Tale by Emusan(m): 8:50am On Apr 26 |
jaephoenix: You started the thread with a strawman argument. Even though I've done this more than 10years ago on this forum I'll just try to summarise my point because I don't have time for a lengthy post. 1. Duration time for the creation. This is the first considerable problem. Genesis says that, from the early stages of the earthâs formation to the dawn of man, only six days passed, which is obviously wrong. We know this whole process took about 4 billion years. You don't know stop lying, you believe it's 4Billiion years. Many apologists try to solve this crude mistake by declaring that the word âdayâ has a more vague meaning, such as six general divisions of time. We donât know this, however, and the whole context of the story seems closer to 24 hour days (for example, we constantly read âAnd the evening and the morning were the first day.â). The Creator is a witness to His own creation and He's the one says He did it in just 6 days and model the time for man to used. Even 100Billions years can't produce a design model out of chaos. 2. The order of creation days. The order in which the creation events happened in the bible and the true geological and biological evolution of the earth are completely different. Some examples follow: You can't expect Creation to be the same as what follows after. Creation came with supernatural events. For instance the creation of the first man came as a FULL GROWN HUMAN not as a baby yet the way the Creator program Baby to form and develop is different. a. In Genesis 1:7 it says God divided the waters above and under the firmament. The only logical way to interpret this âfirmamentâ or âheavensâ, is the atmosphere, where water in vapour form is stored and eventually falls as rain. If this was done in a subsequent stage of the earthâs formation (day two), we would expect that the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere should increase over time. We however know that the exact opposite happened, as carbon dioxide and water vapour were partly replaced by oxygen. You came up with your own insertion not what Bible says. b. In Genesis 1:11 it suggests that plants were the first form of life to appear, what is obviously wrong. It also suggests that plants and animals appeared in different times, what we know not to be true. Last, if compared to Genesis 1:16â18, it indicates that plants came before the sun, which would be impossible since sunlight is a fundamental ingredient to the process of photosynthesis, which is how plants produce their food. If we should go by six days of creation. Plants can survive weeks or even months without Sun. So, few days between plants and sun isn't an issue here. c. In Genesis 1:16â18, as discussed before, the sun comes only after the plants appeared on the planet, which is obviously absurd. Some apologists try to save this by alleging that the sun already existed but wasnât visible until the fourth day, since the earthâs atmosphere was thicker. First of all, the atmosphere was already transparent enough to see the sun when the first plants appeared in the planet. Moreover, the organisms from which plants evolved had already âinventedâ the process of photosynthesis and hence needed a substantial amount of sunlight. Finally, there are several studies who show how a plantâs growth is deeply affected by an increased period of cloudy days, and so itâs absurd to suppose that big trees and others could have appeared in a time of thick atmosphere, where the portion of light entering the planet was so weak that the sun wasnât even visible. No issue here as stated above. d. Genesis 1:20 and 24 suggests that flying animals came before land animals, which is just wrong due to the fossil and DNA knowledge we have. How many Fossil and DNA do you have from YOUR 4 BILLIONS AGO? which Land Animal first appear and which flying animal first appear? 3. Magical elements. Some apologists argue that the creation myth in Genesis has a special status, since itâs much more âsoberâ in terms of reality than the creation myths of other religions. First of all, what matters is the truth. To construct a fable with elements closer to reality doesnât change the fact that it is a fable. Secondly, the fact that the Genesis account seems less mesmerizing than others is just because the israelites followed monotheism (or at least monolatrism), and hence their creation story was devoid of the many struggles between gods that commonly take place at the beginning of other myths. Finally, itâs important to remember that there are many magical elements surrounding the Genesis story: the book of Revelations talks about a war in heaven between a dragon and his hosts and an angel and his hosts; Genesis itself, just a few pages afterwards, talks about talking serpents, magic fruits and a universal flood that occured just because God was in a bad mood with humanity I don't see how this relates to the other part of the thread. Miracle exists with God and the creation itself is miracle. So, do you think God who created human with speech can't make snake or any animal talk? |
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