SIRTee15:


We talking bible here, I dont believe what's written in the Koran.

So Hagar called an angel 'the Living one who sees me'
Who is called Living one in the bible?

So Hagar called an angel 'El roi'? In case U don't know, one of the names of God is El roi.

So go back and answer my question did Hagar refer to angel of the LORD as God?

SIRTee15:


So if Allah told U guys to bow to kabba in the Koran or hadiths. It shows God in the bible is not the same as Allah in the Koran.
Simple.

God in the bible forbid anyone to worship him by bowing before a stone.

So if your Allah is telling U to bow before a stone, then they are not the same God.

It's impossible for God to give contradictory message. Same God cannot tell Moses one thing and then tell Muhammed exact opposite.

Allah is not God of the bible, Allah is an impostor. I think this settles the case.

SIRTee15:


The verses I brought were for Solomon praying to God in the temple. Read 2 chronicles 7.1-13, can't be repeating myself.

The book of ezekiel also talked about the glory of God filling the temple.

Ezekiel 43
As the glory of the Lord entered the temple by the gate facing east, 5 the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the temple.

There was no temple during the time of David but the tabernacle had always existed since the time of Moses and it's filled with the glory of God.

Exodus 40.34

Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. 35 Moses could not enter the tent of meeting because the cloud had settled on it, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.

The Lord said to Moses, let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst. Exactly as I show you concerning the pattern of the tabernacle, and of all its furniture. There I will meet with you, from above the mercy seat. Exodus 25:8-9.

When the temple was built by Solomon, the tabernacle was inside the holy on holies in the temple.

Its obvious U've not read the bible, U don't know anything about the old testament. That's why U ignorant about the glory of God, temple n tabernacle.

U just parroting dawahganda script repeated in your mosque up and down. Even a 2 year old Christian knows God dwells in the temple.

That's why U Muslims are pagan. U bow before an object void of God.

AbuTwins:


Who is Hagar Biblically and why should we believe what she says in your Bible?

AbuTwins:
You should have known this before! God in the Qur'an can do all things but doesn't do things that does not befits His majesty!
God in Christianity can become human and die! God in Christianity can become three yet one! God can have son who is also God! God can worship God in Christianity! Allah is one and free from all imperfections, Glory be to Allah!

Allah told the Angels to prostrate to Adam and Shaytan who was in the company of the Angels refused to obey! That's how he became despised till the day of resurrection! So ultimately, Allah is whom we obey!

What is the temple that they bow to in the Bible made of? This is foolishness.

The stone is from Allah! And technically stone and humans are from the earth! People bow to people and you call that greeting! We bow to stone obeying Allah and you call us names! Isn't this hypocrisy and double standards?

Talking about contradictions:
God told Moses to stone Adulterers! Jesus told them not to stone her! God forgave sins without sacrifice in the Old Testament. Now you believe God has to die for your sins to be saved!

Allah is just one yours is three in one!

Allah doesn't become human!
Allah has no son, partner or helper in His dominion!
Allah forgives sins without sacrifice!
Allah does not share His Glory with anyone!

SIRTee15:


So when u knew the Christian GOD is different from Allah, why are u stressing us here and making feeble attempt to validate your Islamic doctrines with the bible.
Just say Allah is not in the bible and case is closed. Nobody will bother to even look into your posts.
But so long as u link Allah to the bible, then be ready for assault from we Christians- we will prove to you that Islam is paganism and Allah is a false god.

SIRTee15:


Hagar isn't the only person that called the angel of the Lord God.

Even Moses call him God.

Exodus 3
There the angel of the Lord appeared to Moses in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. 3 So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”

4 When YHWH saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”

Genesis 22
15 The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, “I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring[b] all nations on earth will be blessed,[c] because you have obeyed me.”

I used Hagar because she's the mother of the people who gave you your religion. So u should believe her.

AbuTwins:


Of what use is all these when Satan too is God in your Bible?
son of God is God!
Human is God!
Angel is God!
Even the father is God!

AbuTwins:


The title of this thread is about Muslims worshipping Kaaba!
You are the one derailing the thread!
I didn't validate anything!
The topic is not about Allah or Qur'an!

AbuTwins:


From head to toe you stink of hypocrisy!
When people bow to non-living things you claim the Glory of God is on them!
When people bow to humans you claim it is paying homage or greetings!
When Muslims do same to the House of Allah you claim we are pagans!

You are simply a hypocrite!

SIRTee15:


Now no need to go emotional. U were the one who came here claiming your pagan practice of bowing before a stone is validated by the bible.
No need to start foaming if we use the same bible to cancel U out.
All I'm saying is as an African man, U dont need to travel to Saudi arabia to venerate a stone, there are countless sacred stones in Africa that can do the same job like the one below...

SIRTee15:


But U opened the bible to validate your pagan worship.
Why did U refer the Christian to the bible and started quoting bible verses to explain idolatry practice in Mecca.
Is that not where we Christians came in to show U no person in the bible bow to a temple void of God.

Next time use the Qur'an to explain your pagan stone worship and we will leave u alone.

Btw U are yet to explain to me the difference btw these 2 worship. Both venerate a stone to worship their deity, but one will call the other a pagan.
Abu twin, help me make sense out of it.

SIRTee15:


So it was satan that called Abraham from heaven and blessed him forever.
It was any kind God that told Moses his name is I am that I am.
Its any kind God that is called El Roi- the ever living one.

U not making sense anymore. Abeg rest.
🥱🥱🥱 Go drink kunu, you will be fine.
So this one is dusted. Let's move .

AbuTwins:


Paganism is everywhere in the Bible!

The Bronze Snake Moses hanged!
The Ark of the tabernacle!
The believe that God is three in one!

AbuTwins:


So what is the name God gave Adam and Noah? No name!
You stopped making sense since!

SIRTee15:


YHWH, they called God YHWH.

Genesis 4
25 Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.” 26 Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh.

At that time people began to call on the name of the LORD- YHWH.

SIRTee15:


🥱🥱🥱
Show me where God or Moses told the people to worship the bronze snake or bow to it.

It was simply a medium of healing just like the ephod, the staff of Moses, playing of harp or touching the helm of Jesus garment

Let me educate U and put the bronze snake into context.

When Israelites began burning incest to it or began to venerate it, see what the man of God did to the bronze snake.

Hezekiah did right in the sight of the Lord, according to all that his father David had done. He removed the high places and broke down the sacred pillars and cut down the Asherah. He also broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the sons of Israel burned incense to it; and it was called Nehushtan.
2 Kings 18:3-4

This is what Muhammed should have done to the black stone if he was truly a prophet of God. Destroy it rather than tell his followers to bow before it.

The harder U try, the worse your case and the deeper U sink.

Bowing before the black stone or venerating it- kissing the black stone is paganism. Its indefensible.

I just hope your eyes will open and will learn one or two things here.

AbuTwins:


You don't understand reported speech!

Everything you wrote up there are in second person. i.e. someone was narrating it in the person's word!

Ohyoudidnt:
in the Old Testament there was a specific place for sacrifices and worship in Jerusalem.

Jesus, as a Jewish rabbi and religious figure, operated within the Jewish religious framework of his time. In his teachings, Jesus emphasized spiritual renewal, repentance, and love for God and others. He challenged traditional interpretations of the Law and focused on matters of the heart rather than mere external observance.

Ancient Judaism holds Jerusalem as a central place and the location for sacrifices and worship. The Temple in Jerusalem was considered the holiest site in Judaism, where various rituals and sacrifices were performed according to Mosaic Law. The sacrificial system was an integral part of Jewish religious practice, with offerings made to atone for sins and express devotion to God.

Jesus did not change the specific place for sacrifices and worship from Jerusalem during his earthly ministry, his teachings and actions led to a transformation in how early Christians understood sacrifice and worship. The focus shifted from external rituals in a physical temple to internal transformation through faith

IslamVIRGINS:


Which sacrifice are you talking about that was made in new testament?

No where it is written in Bible that stone was worshipped by the people of God as you're worshiping and bowing down for kaaba

AbuTwins:


What is worship?

Those who looked at it were saved! So looking at it is a means of salvation!




The Black stone came from Allah and we'll worship Allah in the ways He approved Himself just as the people of Israel worshipped!
I think your hypocrisy is clear hear.

People worshipped tabernacle in your Bible and you claim one Shikena is on it.
Is the Black stone too not from Allah?

When you bow to your parents it is homage but when we bow facing the stone it is paganism?

May you not die in hypocrisy!

SIRTee15:


U want where first person speech abi.
I will choke U.

Genesis 9

26 Noah also said,

“Praise be to the LORD-YHWH , the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem.

Genesis 4
4 Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the LORD- YHWH I have brought forth a man.”

Ohyoudidnt:
in the Old Testament there was a specific place for sacrifices and worship in Jerusalem.

Jesus, as a Jewish rabbi and religious figure, operated within the Jewish religious framework of his time. In his teachings, Jesus emphasized spiritual renewal, repentance, and love for God and others. He challenged traditional interpretations of the Law and focused on matters of the heart rather than mere external observance.

Ancient Judaism holds Jerusalem as a central place and the location for sacrifices and worship. The Temple in Jerusalem was considered the holiest site in Judaism, where various rituals and sacrifices were performed according to Mosaic Law. The sacrificial system was an integral part of Jewish religious practice, with offerings made to atone for sins and express devotion to God.

Jesus did not change the specific place for sacrifices and worship from Jerusalem during his earthly ministry, his teachings and actions led to a transformation in how early Christians understood sacrifice and worship. The focus shifted from external rituals in a physical temple to internal transformation through faith

AbuTwins:


It is still basically reported!

SIRTee15:


Ohyoudidn't what should I do with abutwin.

Advise me because I'm beginning to think he's not sincere.

AbuTwins:


It is still basically reported!

AbuTwins:


Adam/Noah didn't write the happenings! I know you would agree with me someone else wrote it on their behalf!

SIRTee15:


Delusion and denial in action. I really pity Muslims, they don't know how to get out of the fix Muhammed trapped them with. It's just pathetic.

Right from the time of Adam, the prophets knew the name of God as YHWH.

The only prophet who doesn't know the name of God that sent him was Muhammed.
Muhammed couldn't tell us the name of God. Instead he gave a generic name for God in Arabic as the God of the bible.

That's intellectual dishonesty and fraudulent behaviour.

SIRTee15:


That's why this verse is valid.

At that time people began to call on the name of the LORD- YHWH

It tells us when people started calling God YHWH.

Did Abraham knew the name of God as YHWH or someone wrote for him.

Genesis 22

14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

If someone wrote for him, how was he able to name the site he was meant to sacrifice Isaac after YHWH?

AbuTwins:


He did name that in whatever language he spoke!
Abraham spoke a semitic language of which Hebrew is one!

There's no evidence Abraham specifically spoke Hebrew!

AbuTwins:


The actual dishonesty is not being able to use your brain!

What language did Adam speak?

No one really knows but the best that can be guessed is that he spoke an ancient semitic language related to Hebrew but may not be precisely Hebrew!

YHWH is Hebrew!

There is no conclusive proof Adam spoke Hebrew so how could he have known God as YHWH?