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Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:09am On Apr 27
FayaBall:

That is not the issue!
The issue is not can a politician be the friend of God but that he the op is responsible for his own acts and shall answer for his acts and not politics answering or being responsible for op's acts.
So stop shifting the post to politics and diverting from the evil bastard. Shikena!

We will all account for whatever we do but then God is merciful that's why He sent out His worshipers to explain to people like the OP the reason why he's thinking like this, just remove politics from his eyes and he will see clearly that mankind is one global family racism has nothing virtuous to do with righteousness it only bring in prejudice.

To me the OP is committing a blunder simply because his mind is inclined towards politics that's why i'm hammering on it! smiley
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by FayaBall: 10:52am On Apr 27
MaxInDHouse:


We will all account for whatever we do but then God is merciful that's why He sent out His worshipers to explain to people like the OP the reason why he's thinking like this, just remove politics from his eyes and he will see clearly that mankind is one global family racism has nothing virtuous to do with righteousness it only bring in prejudice.

To me the OP is committing a blunder simply because his mind is inclined towards politics that's why i'm hammering on it! smiley

You have said nothing only repeating your diversion. There is nothing to address.
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:44am On Apr 27
FayaBall:

You have said nothing only repeating your diversion. There is nothing to address.

OK the OP committed no offense because he doesn't know who Jesus is until he knows he remains innocent!
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by FayaBall: 11:45am On Apr 27
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Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by FayaBall: 11:45am On Apr 27
MaxInDHouse:


OK the OP committed no offense because he doesn't know who Jesus is until he knows he remains innocent!

More deviations! You have nothing to say!
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:49am On Apr 27
FayaBall:

More deviations! You have nothing to say!

According to God's word OP hasn't committed any offense worth being judged because he is INNOCENT! smiley
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by FayaBall: 11:57am On Apr 27
MaxInDHouse:


According to God's word OP hasn't committed any offense worth being judged because he is INNOCENT! smiley

You can keep repeating yourself grin
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:01pm On Apr 27
FayaBall:

You can keep repeating yourself grin
OK! smiley
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by Reflect7: 8:20pm On Apr 27
StillDtruth:


You people should reason well na!

Does common sense not tell you that God used the evil acts of evil people to bring something good to man as we have all persomally seen and experienced how God used a very bad situation to give us something very good out of it?

Try reasoning well.

Really?

DO YOU REALISE HOW PSYCHOPATHIC YOU SOUND?

BY YOUR SICK LOGIC, I CAN STORM YOUR HOUSE NOW AND KILL YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY AND STEAL YOUR MONEY AND BELONGINGS, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE FOR A FUTURE GOOD REASON THAT GOD HAS PLANNED, WHICH YOU JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT YET?

That is the ANIMALISTIC rationalisation you have for the mass murder and rape of your ancestors by British invaders?

This is why we say Christianity is nothing but a death cult.

I guess the British troops who shot dead your ancestors must be chilling in HEAVEN now, correct?

After all they brought Christianity to you, correct?

So they did a good thing by murdering and gang-raping your ancestors, correct?

YOU ARE SICK, DEMENTED PEOPLE, AND THOROUGHLY BRAINWASHED TO THE POINT OF UTTER MADNESS.

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Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by Reflect7: 8:46pm On Apr 27
Kobojunkie:
There is an Orthodox Christian community in Iran to this day. There are even stories of Jesus Christ in Tibet. There are religious movements in those places that are an older form of Christianity than what you have in Nigeria. If you are trying to use the spread of religion as your argument, then you are greatly ignorant of the facts of it. undecided

2. I think you should limit to scope of your discussion to just religion and Christians. YOur ignorance of the facts pertaining to the God of Israel and His Son Jesus Christ makes you look no better than the religionists you pretend yourself able to attack, undecided

USE YOUR HEAD AND STOP TALKING RUBBISH.

Who doesn't know you have small groups of christians in the Middle East and Asia?

We are talking MAJORITY, meaning your statistical chance of being a christian in the Middle East, versus Southern Nigeria, are VERY TINY.

WHY? Because christian colonizers did not invade and seize those lands.

Meaning that 50% of Nigerians are christians, while only 7% of Chinese are, and 5% in the Middle East.

So YES, where you are BORN determines (according to christianity's sick logic) whether you will go to heaven or not.

If you were born in a region inhabited by Europeans, or conquered by Europeans, you stand a higher chance of going to heaven than someone who lived in a region not inhabited by Europeans and not conquered by Europeans.

THAT IS THE CHRISTIAN LOGIC, AND IT IS A BIG FAT LIE.

MEANING THAT YOU DO NOT NEED JESUS TO GO TO HEAVEN.

BECAUSE IF YOU DID, THE WHOLE WORLD WOULD HAVE HAD EQUAL ACCESS TO HIM AND HIS 'MESSAGE'.

Or is your God not a God of justice?

MAJORITY OF YOU HERE SHOUTING 'JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY', IF YOU HAPPENED TO HAVE BEEN BORN IN SHANGHAI, TEHRAN, MUMBAI, OR KABUL, YOU WOULD NOT KNOW JACKSHHIT ABOUT 'JESUS', AND WOULD CARE EVEN LESS.

ALL YOU WOULD KNOW IS BUDDHA.

OR MUHAMMED.

OR KRISHNA.

THAT WOULD BE THE ''ONLY TRUTH'' IN YOUR HEAD.

IF SOMEONE MENTIONED 'JESUS' TO YOU, YOU WOULD CHASE THEM OUT WITH A WHIP.

So, literally the ONLY reason you are a 'CHRISTIAN' is not because you are especially righteous, good, or noble.

It's because you were born in Southern Nigeria, after the British invasion.

NO OTHER REASON.
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by Kobojunkie: 9:20pm On Apr 27
Reflect7:
■ USE YOUR HEAD AND STOP TALKING RUBBISH. Who doesn't know you have small groups of christians in the Middle East and Asia? We are talking MAJORITY, meaning your statistical chance of being a christian in the Middle East, versus Southern Nigeria, are VERY TINY. WHY? Because christian colonizers did not invade and seize those lands. Meaning that 50% of Nigerians are christians, while only 7% of Chinese are, and 5% in the Middle East. So YES, where you are BORN determines (according to christianity's sick logic) whether you will go to heaven or not. If you were born in a region inhabited by Europeans, or conquered by Europeans, you stand a higher chance of going to heaven than someone who lived in a region not inhabited by Europeans and not conquered by Europeans.
THAT IS THE CHRISTIAN LOGIC, AND IT IS A BIG FAT LIE. MEANING THAT YOU DO NOT NEED JESUS TO GO TO HEAVEN. BECAUSE IF YOU DID, THE WHOLE WORLD WOULD HAVE HAD EQUAL ACCESS TO HIM AND HIS 'MESSAGE'. Or is your God not a God of justice?
MAJORITY OF YOU HERE SHOUTING 'JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY', IF YOU HAPPENED TO HAVE BEEN BORN IN SHANGHAI, TEHRAN, MUMBAI, OR KABUL, YOU WOULD NOT KNOW JACKSHHIT ABOUT 'JESUS', AND WOULD CARE EVEN LESS.ALL YOU WOULD KNOW IS BUDDHA.OR MUHAMMED.OR KRISHNA.THAT WOULD BE THE ''ONLY TRUTH'' IN YOUR HEAD.IF SOMEONE MENTIONED 'JESUS' TO YOU, YOU WOULD CHASE THEM OUT WITH A WHIP. So, literally the ONLY reason you are a 'CHRISTIAN' is not because you are especially righteous, good, or noble. It's because you were born in Southern Nigeria, after the British invasion. NO OTHER REASON.
But I was not born into a Christian home neither am I a Christian even now. I am anti-religion. Religion is a platform specifically designed to enable to trading of lies by men, who pretend to be representatives of some divine energy or force, with gullible individuals out there. This all means your conclusion, after all the many assumptions made, is RUBBISH and amounts to nothing at the end of it all! undecided
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by Ken4Christ: 11:17pm On Apr 27
Reflect7:
If people actually needed Jesus in order to be saved, it would be the most unfair and unjustifiable blackmail the world has ever witnessed from its Creator.

For starters, it would mean that slavery and colonialism were divinely ordained.

Because AFRICANS learned about ‘Jesus’ following the European colonial invasion and destruction of thriving African civilisations, including the destruction of over 100 African cities, a mere century ago.

Today, if you were born in a region or country that was invaded, destroyed, and colonised by Europeans, you would be a Christian.

If you were NOT born in a region or country that was invaded, destroyed, and colonised by Europeans, you would generally NOT be a Christian today, unless of course you were a European born in Europe.

So essentially what this means, ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANS, is that you CANNOT BE SAVED unless you are a EUROPEAN, or you were conquered by EUROPEANS.

Or to put it more accurately, you have a 95% chance of GOING TO HELL if you are not a European or conquered by Europeans.

So if you are Chinese, Japanese, Arab, Indian etc, and you observe your traditional religion today due to the fact that your country was not colonised by Europeans, you are GOING TO HELL, and will not be ‘saved’.

So billions of Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Arabs, Pakistanis etc, who are Buddhists, Shintoists, Taoists, Hinduists, etc, are all going to hell for the ‘sin’ of not having been invaded and colonised by Europeans.

That’s the MAD, CRAZY LOGIC of Christianity, and is a clear sign that the claim that humans ‘need Jesus’ in order to be ‘saved’, is one of the biggest LIES and FALSIFICATIONS in human history.

You simply cannot expect that an Intelligent Creator would have devised such a flawed and unjust criterion for salvation.


So, what do you need to be saved?
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by StillDtruth: 11:36pm On Apr 27
Reflect7:


Really?

DO YOU REALISE HOW PSYCHOPATHIC YOU SOUND?

BY YOUR SICK LOGIC, I CAN STORM YOUR HOUSE NOW AND KILL YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY AND STEAL YOUR MONEY AND BELONGINGS, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE FOR A FUTURE GOOD REASON THAT GOD HAS PLANNED, WHICH YOU JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT YET?

That is the ANIMALISTIC rationalisation you have for the mass murder and rape of your ancestors by British invaders?

This is why we say Christianity is nothing but a death cult.

I guess the British troops who shot dead your ancestors must be chilling in HEAVEN now, correct?

After all they brought Christianity to you, correct?

So they did a good thing by murdering and gang-raping your ancestors, correct?

YOU ARE SICK, DEMENTED PEOPLE, AND THOROUGHLY BRAINWASHED TO THE POINT OF UTTER MADNESS.

Wow! see mad cursed person who has never experienced a good thing come out of a bad situation. See better curse.
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by Reflect7: 12:25am On Apr 28
StillDtruth:


Wow! see mad cursed person who has never experienced a good thing come out of a bad situation. See better curse.

FANATICAL AIR HEAD.
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by StillDtruth: 12:29am On Apr 28
Reflect7:


FANATICAL AIR HEAD.

Keep abusing, it would only worsen your cursed life!
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by Reflect7: 12:35am On Apr 28
Ken4Christ:


So, what do you need to be saved?

NOTHING.

The place we are going after we die, EVERYONE GOES THERE regardless of what you believe on Earth.

The real world is the world beyond. We came from there, and will return there, and remember it all again. We are IMMORTAL beings having a TEMPORAL Earth experience.

This Earth life is just like a dream in comparison to where we are from.

OUR ANCESTORS KNEW THESE TRUTHS.

It was the WHITE MAN that came and confused you with the LIE that if you didn't worship HIS god, you would be tortured in an everlasting fire, and never transcend to the Afterlife.

WHY THE HELL WOULD GOD DO THAT?

That is not the SUPREME BEING our ancestors knew.

AND OUR ANCESTORS KNEW GOD FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE WHITE PEOPLE EXISTED.

The idea of GOD demanding the worshIp of his ''son'' on point of eternal torture and damnation is UNKNOWN TO AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY, which is the parent of ALL spiritual traditions.

Therefore it is FALSE.

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Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by Ken4Christ: 10:34am On Apr 28
Reflect7:


NOTHING.

The place we are going after we die, EVERYONE GOES THERE regardless of what you believe on Earth.

The real world is the world beyond. We came from there, and will return there, and remember it all again. We are IMMORTAL beings having a TEMPORAL Earth experience.

This Earth life is just like a dream in comparison to where we are from.

OUR ANCESTORS KNEW THESE TRUTHS.

It was the WHITE MAN that came and confused you with the LIE that if you didn't worship HIS god, you would be tortured in an everlasting fire, and never transcend to the Afterlife.

WHY THE HELL WOULD GOD DO THAT?

That is not the SUPREME BEING our ancestors knew.

AND OUR ANCESTORS KNEW GOD FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE WHITE PEOPLE EXISTED.

The idea of GOD demanding the worshIp of his ''son'' on point of eternal torture and damnation is UNKNOWN TO AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY, which is the parent of ALL spiritual traditions.

Therefore it is FALSE.


What is your source of authority? You can just make claims without any proof.
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by Reflect7: 4:06pm On Apr 28
Ken4Christ:


What is your source of authority? You can’t just make claims without any proof.

My source of authority is AFRICAN RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY.

I know you have all been brainwashed to demonise and ignore it, but if you visited your most respected village traditional priest and asked him QUESTIONS about our presence here, his answers would MIRROR what I am stating here.

Same as if you visited a traditional priest in India, China, Mexico, Japan.. the priests of the OLD WORLD PRE-JUDAIC knowledge, of which AFRICA was the centre point and knowledge fountain.

They will ALL tell you that we are IMMORTAL and transit to the Afterlife as a matter of course, irrespective of our religious beliefs or lack thereof.

Even modern science is belatedly learning the truth about universal salvation, ie that ALL are saved, via:

1) The testimonies of millions of people who have had a Near Death Experience (NDE).

2) The revelations of those who have undergone Hypnotic Regression Therapy, where they reveal under deep hypnosis, their experience in the REAL WORLD prior to being born here.

I suggest a book titled ‘Journey of Souls’ by Michael Newton.

In fact, YOU can be put under deep hypnosis and made to reveal your pre-birth life in ‘heaven’ prior to being born, and even reveal details of your previous lives on Earth, including your former names. All the information is stored in your subconscious. Many, if not most of us, have lived several lives on this Earth.

A ‘veil of forgetfulness’ is placed on us prior to being born, so that the memory and vast knowledge we have doesn’t interfere with our current experience.

The site below has over 5,000 testimonies from people all over the world who have had an NDE, and you can learn a LOT there.

www.nderf.org
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by Ken4Christ: 6:29pm On Apr 28
Reflect7:


My source of authority is AFRICAN RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY.

I know you have all been brainwashed to demonise and ignore it, but if you visited your most respected village traditional priest and asked him QUESTIONS about our presence here, his answers would MIRROR what I am stating here.

Same as if you visited a traditional priest in India, China, Mexico, Japan.. the priests of the OLD WORLD PRE-JUDAIC knowledge, of which AFRICA was the centre point and knowledge fountain.

They will ALL tell you that we are IMMORTAL and transit to the Afterlife as a matter of course, irrespective of our religious beliefs or lack thereof.

Even modern science is belatedly learning the truth about universal salvation, ie that ALL are saved, via:

1) The testimonies of millions of people who have had a Near Death Experience (NDE).

2) The revelations of those who have undergone Hypnotic Regression Therapy, where they reveal under deep hypnosis, their experience in the REAL WORLD prior to being born here.

I suggest a book titled ‘Journey of Souls’ by Michael Newton.

In fact, YOU can be put under deep hypnosis and made to reveal your pre-birth life in ‘heaven’ prior to being born, and even reveal details of your previous lives on Earth, including your former names. All the information is stored in your subconscious. Many, if not most of us, have lived several lives on this Earth.

A ‘veil of forgetfulness’ is placed on us prior to being born, so that the memory and vast knowledge we have doesn’t interfere with our current experience.

The site below has over 5,000 testimonies from people all over the world who have had an NDE, and you can learn a LOT there.

www.nderf.org


Please, share your own personal testimonies.
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by Reflect7: 2:15am On May 01
Ken4Christ:


Please, share your own personal testimonies.

I've met a woman, my wife's relative, who told me she once had an out-of-body experience.

She is a serious lady, not just anyone.
Re: Why You DO NOT Need Jesus, To Be Saved by Ken4Christ: 11:44am On May 01
Reflect7:


I've met a woman, my wife's relative, who told me she once had an out-of-body experience.

She is a serious lady, not just anyone.

I said personal testimony not someone else.

Well in any case, death souls sometimes lingers in the realm of death before they eventually go to heaven or hell. So, there experiences cannot be used to debunk the existence of hell or heaven because there are many more people who have had near death experience that went to heaven or hell.

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