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Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by MightySparrow: 9:20am On Apr 27 |
MaxInDHouse: You are not far from the truth Phil.2.5 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Phil.2.6 - Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Phil.2.7 - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and Exod.7.1 - And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Note the bolded any differences? 1 Like |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:03am On Apr 27 |
MightySparrow: These are the works of translators the title has nothing to do with upper or lower case whether you write GOD or God or god all has the same pronunciation so they all mean the same thing the only difference is who the Gods are in person Jesus is God's Son! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by MightySparrow: 1:23pm On Apr 27 |
MaxInDHouse: We are talking of the essence here. The godship of Moses and that of Moses are they the same? I understand your NWT uses upper and lower cases. I personally can't figure out the reason. However, reading the thoughts not translation or transliterations, one can deduce the meanings of a statement or sentence. This is my position. Where this does not seem to clarify issues, I may result to knowing Greek or Hebrew. Mind you, even, your own Yoruba, there are so many Yoruba words that a 50 -year old person cannot know. 1 Like |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:04pm On Apr 27 |
MightySparrow:Prophet and God both titles was bestowed upon the two. Let's say a great grandpa and a boy of 5 years are both made prophets and Gods the only difference is age, experienced and wisdom than the 5 years old both are prophets and Gods whatever the great grandpa has been in the past doesn't come in now he may be the CEO of any company, husband, father, uncle and more before then the titles at that time makes them equal but when we want to talk about their achievements of course the grandpa has lot of things he has accomplished in life than the boy. Moses and Jesus are both prophets, servants and Gods but everyone knows that Jesus is greater than Jesus due to his experience as a being who existed before creation. Yet both of them directed worshipers to the only true God not themselves! 1 Like |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Janosky: 10:25pm On Apr 27 |
MightySparrow: John 14:28, did Jesus teach Sparrow that Jesus is equal with God his Father? In heaven,@ Revelation 3:12 did Jesus teach Sparrow that Jesus is equal to God? You dey quote Textus Receptus Trinitarian TWISTING of Philippians 2:6 Go study Phillipians 2:6 Mounce Greek interlinear bible & receive Sense ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Ken4Christ: 11:15pm On Apr 27 |
AbuTwins: You did not answer the question. Why was the same word used when worship was directed to God the Father. In Matthew 4:4. The word worship is from the same source. In Revelation 4:10 & 5:14, it's also from the same Creek word. Your argument has failed. Common sense should tell you that Jesus is the Son of God and by inference, God in nature. Like begat like. No man slept with Mary before he was born. So, he is not the Son of Joseph. If he is not the Son of Joseph, he must be someone's Son. Use your small brain. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by SIRTee15: 1:40am On Apr 28 |
AbuTwins: Let me ask U a question. According to the Koran, if Jesus is indeed the son of God, should he be worshipped?. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 10:08am On Apr 29 |
SIRTee15: 1. God does not need a son or helper in His dominion as He is All-Powerful to do all things! 2. Only Allah (God, the creator of All) alone deserves our entire worship! 3. God does not become man! 4. God does not debase Himself. He is at all times greater than all His creations! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 10:23am On Apr 29 |
Ken4Christ: It is simple! God called himself God many times in the old testament! Even Jesus directed all worship to the father by saying "Our Father who is in heaven....(never on earth). How many times did Jesus prayed to God in the Bible? He never for once without ambiguity call himself God! If Jesus is the son of God! And Sons of God came to have sex with daughters of men in Genesis 6:1-4! Was Jesus among them then? So Son of God can only be a metaphor! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by SIRTee15: 10:27am On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: Stop deviating from the question. My question is based on what's written in your Qur'an. If Jesus is indeed is the son of God, should he be worshipped? If Allah had a son, should the son be worshipped? Answer the question. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Ken4Christ: 10:34am On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: Jesus prayed to God because he was human on earth. Jesus off course claimed to be God in many occasions. 1. When he said, : before Abraham was I Am. 2. When he forgave sins. Can ordinary human forgive sin. 3. When he called God his Father. Not even Moses or Elijah addressed God as their father. 4. When he said, he who has seen me has seen the Father. 5. When he said that he is the first and last. 6. When he said he will send down the Holy Spirit. Which mortal man has the power to send down the Holy Spirit. Remember that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. 7. When he accepted worship on several occasions. I could go on and on. Yes, there were angels called sons of God. But Jesus is the only incarnate son of God or the only begotten Son of God. And he also became the first begotten from the dead. 1 Like |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Antilslaam: 10:40am On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: But your allah wish to have a son Quran 39:4 If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created. Be He Glorified! He is Allah, the One, the Absolute. Meanwhile your allah has daughters Quran 37:153 Muhammad Asad “He has chosen daughters in preference to sons” Quran 37:153 Wahiduddin Khan Has He chosen daughters over sons Quran 37:153 Muhammad Ahmed & Samira He chose/purified the daughters on/over the sons AND THE DAUGTHERS ARE: Quran 53:19-21 Have you then considered Lat and ‘Uzza And another, the third, Manat Are the males for you and for Him the females |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by SIRTee15: 10:46am On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: Old testament was written in Hebrew whilst new testament in greek. The lexicon, usage and application of word in both languages are different. How proskyneson could be applied is different from shachah. That's why I'm asking U why did Peter and the angel rejected worship- proskyneson within the realm it was applied whereas Jesus was collecting it up and down. That's my question, don't deviate. If U don't know, say I don't know. If U want to talk about worship in the old testament, open a thread for that and we will meet to give u some lectures in ancient Hebrew language. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 11:00am On Apr 29 |
SIRTee15: You are a liar! They are the same in usage! Both were used for God and humans in the Bible! This is what I've exposed here. You are trying hard to make Jesus God! That's why I'm asking U why did Peter and the angel rejected worship- proskyneson within the realm it was applied whereas Jesus was collecting it up and down. When people bow or prostrate to others it can be just homage or worship! Even if Jesus collect the homage, he too gave the worship to God! So God cannot worship God! That's my question, don't deviate. If U don't know, say I don't know. The thread is not restricted to the New Testament. I know the new testament was created to make Jesus God! But we'll keep exposing the falsehood and the liars! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 11:19am On Apr 29 |
Ken4Christ:You inferred this. He was human born through the vagina, was breast fed, cried, was even protected by humans! Jesus off course claimed to be God in many occasions.This is a misinterpretation from your Bible translators. Ego Eimi occurs in many places in the New Testament but only in John 8:58 was it translated as I am! 2. When he forgave sins. Can ordinary human forgive sin.Prophets of God can intercede for humans to seek God's forgiveness! 3. When he called God his Father. Not even Moses or Elijah addressed God as their father.So if you call your dad father then you become equal to him? How does this make sense to you? 4. When he said, he who has seen me has seen the Father.So if i send you a message at a time when there was no SMS, internet, phones, etc, is seeing the messenger not the same as seeing the sender of the message? 5. When he said that he is the first and last.Jesus forgot to say this when he was walking around preaching to people! Na John come dey see things for vision! 6. When he said he will send down the Holy Spirit. Which mortal man has the power to send down the Holy Spirit. Remember that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God.So if God sent Jesus message that means Jesus is not God! If Jesus too can send Holy spirit message then that means the three are not coequal. They don't have equal power! So God is not the son nor the spirit! 7. When he accepted worship on several occasions.He never accepted worship but homage! Many other men of God accepted such homage like Joseph whose whole family worshipped him. I could go on and on.Give us a Bible verse that describes Jesus as only incarnate son of God? Abeg John 3:16 didn't say incarnate son o! How can son of God = God? I know you guys are desperate to make Jesus God! But he is simply human! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by RightChannel: 11:23am On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: No long thing since Quran says Jesus Christ is the word of God. The question is how can your word be you, can you separate your word from yourself? |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 11:40am On Apr 29 |
RightChannel: Your premise is essentially wrong! The Qur'an says Jesus is the word of God! Allah says: Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was. Qur'an 3:59 So the word is "Be" and he was. The Qur'an is the speech of Allah! And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Quran), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not. (Qur'an 9:6) The Injeel is the Speech of Allah! The Torah is the Speech of Allah! Allah, may He be Exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Do you (faithful believers) covet that they will believe in your religion in spite of the fact that a party of them (Jewish rabbis) used to hear the Word of Allah (Torah), then they used to change it knowingly after they understood it?” [Al-Baqarah 2:75] Allah said (interpretation of the meaning): “The Scriptures of Ibrahim (Abraham) and Musa (Moses)” [Al-A`la 87:19] They are separate from Him! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 12:03pm On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: You knew New Testament was created to make Jesus God Which means you know Jesus is God according to the New Testament. Yet you want to expose the falsehood by using NT. Does it make sense to you? |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by RightChannel: 12:23pm On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: Quran says Jesus Christ is the word of God and the spirit, can you separate your word and spirit from yourself? Is your word and spirit not you? This time around no story, answer either Yes or No |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 2:58pm On Apr 29 |
RightChannel: Yes! The Qur'an is the word of Allah and it is separate from Allah! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 3:05pm On Apr 29 |
Emusan: I never restricted the thread in the first place! Starting from the NT doesn't restrict me to it. Yes, the NT especially the Book of John was tailored to make Jesus God! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by RightChannel: 3:25pm On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: See where ignorance ended you Is Quran the spirit of allah? Can you separate your own word and spirit from yourself? With that unanswered question, it is clear why Jesus Christ is God as he is the word and spirit of God |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 3:30pm On Apr 29 |
RightChannel: Adam is not God to you! You just want to make Jesus God sha! Allah says: Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was. Qur'an 3:59 |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by RightChannel: 3:37pm On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: Is Adam the spirit of God as Jesus Christ is the spirit of God in Quran 4:171? |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 3:40pm On Apr 29 |
RightChannel: Basically yes! "So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul (Ruh) which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him." Qur'an 15:29 In fact every human created is. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 3:57pm On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: I never said you did. Starting from the NT doesn't restrict me to it. The point is you acknowledge that NT makes Jesus to be God. Yes, the NT especially the Book of John was tailored to make Jesus God! Good! Which means Jesus is God according to the New Testament. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by RightChannel: 4:21pm On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: Jesus Christ is the Spirit of God, he is not created as a case of Adam So far you can't separate your word and spirit from yourself, is Jesus Christ not the spirit and word of God for arguing blindly? |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 4:58pm On Apr 29 |
Emusan: It was tailored, translated and retranslated to make Jesus God! Where is Jesus God in it? You have to translate and retranslate one verse with the trinitarian believe to get that! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 5:01pm On Apr 29 |
RightChannel: Allah says they are similar! Even in your Bible the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary! Jesus was created just as Adam through God's spirit! If you call Jesus God, Adam should be bigger than Jesus as Jesus had a mother! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 5:10pm On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: So do you have the one not tailored, translated and retranslated that didn't make Jesus God to compare with the one we have now? Where is Jesus God in it? I will tell you when we establish some facts. You have to translate and retranslate one verse with the trinitarian believe to get that! Now, you're changing mouth. Your initial point was that the New Testament (Not Bible version) was created to make Jesus God. Basically, it's only TRINITARIAN Bible that make Jesus God and not the MANUSCRIPTS we have in possession today. Is that correct? |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by RightChannel: 5:25pm On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: With Quran reference tell me how Jesus Christ was created Even there was confusion on how Adam was created in your Quran, you will exposed yourself further with that above question. So please tell us how Jesus Christ was created with Quran reference Jesus is a Spirit proceeding from God and his very own Word, whereas Adam was given life by God's Spirit and was created by God's command. Quran 4:171 presupposes that Jesus existed before he was born from the virgin. After all, for the Quran to identify Jesus as God’s Word which he committed or gave to Mary indicates that he was with God even before he was given to his mother. Furthermore, both Christians and Muslims agree that God’s Word is uncreated since he has never lacked his communicative ability. Thus, for Jesus Christ to be God’s Word implies that he is uncreated, that he is eternal. Notice the logic behind this: A. God’s Word is eternal. B. Jesus is God’s Word. C. Therefore, Jesus Christ is eternal. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 5:30pm On Apr 29 |
Emusan: The original no dey in the first place! All Christian theologians agree to this! All the available manuscripts for the NT are copies of copies! I will tell you when we establish some facts.I will be expecting! Now, you're changing mouth. Not really, but it's complicated! The councils of Nicaea, Constantinople and others were done to fix these! There was never a consensus on it from the Biblical manuscripts. |
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