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Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 5:32pm On Apr 29 |
RightChannel: Everyone is created by God's word and not only Jesus! And even if you claim Jesus is God's word, Qur'an is God's word too. So Jesus = Qur'an in your logic! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 5:56pm On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: So, which copies was tailored, translated and retranslated to make Jesus God and By who? I will be expecting! Alright. Not really, but it's complicated! What do you mean by this? The councils of Nicaea, Constantinople and others were done to fix these! But the manuscripts we have in possession today predated all these councils. So, what do you mean by THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS CREATED TO MAKE JESUS GOD? The NT manuscripts we have today is the only source of information for now. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by RightChannel: 6:02pm On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: Should we believe that this question is very difficult for you to answer? With Quran reference tell me how Jesus Christ was created We will know if Jesus Christ is God or not if you can answer the question 1 Like |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by SIRTee15: 6:56pm On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: I will repeat this important question just in case U pretend to miss it. My question is based on what's written in your Qur'an. If Jesus is indeed is the son of God, should he be worshipped? If Allah has a son, should the son be worshipped? Answer the question. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by LordAbove: 8:42pm On Apr 29 |
Ken4Christ: Right on. The Godhead is a mystery, for sure. But one thing is true and validated by Scripture over and over again. And it is that Jesus is God. 1 Like |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by LordAbove: 8:47pm On Apr 29 |
AbuTwins: He never called himself God? I don’t know what Bible you read, but Jesus declared himself to be God on multiple occasions. And the Apostles, even Paul, recognized him as God. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 6:56am On Apr 30 |
LordAbove: Where exactly did he did that without ambiguity? The God in the old testament didn't wait for recognition before declaring Himself openly several times! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 6:58am On Apr 30 |
SIRTee15: Your premises is wrong! Allah begets not nor is He begotten! Only Allah deserves our worship! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 7:16am On Apr 30 |
RightChannel: Allaah says in Soorat al-Nisa’ (interpretation of the meaning): “O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allaah aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allaah and His Word, (“Be!” — and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rooh) created by Him; so believe in Allaah and His Messengers. Say not: ‘Three (trinity)!’ Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allaah is (the only) One Ilaah (God), glory is to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allaah is All‑Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs. 172. The Messiah will never be proud to reject to be a slave of Allaah, nor the angels who are the near (to Allaah). And whosoever rejects His worship and is proud, then He will gather them all together unto Himself. 173. So, as for those who believed (in the Oneness of Allaah — Islamic Monotheism) and did deeds of righteousness, He will give them their (due) rewards — and more out of His Bounty. But as for those who refused His worship and were proud, He will punish them with a painful torment. And they will not find for themselves besides Allaah any protector or helper” [al-Nisa’ 4:171-173] |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 7:31am On Apr 30 |
Emusan:You mean the person that did that will write down his name in what he did? If you want the truth you can read the two prefaces to RSV 1952 and 1971. Your Bible DDs did revealed a lot in the ways they've been toying with your brains! What do you mean by this?Your claim about trinitarian Bible etc! But the manuscripts we have in possession today predated all these councils.If this was true then the councils won't needed to have happened! The councils fixed so many things unproven in the Bible. And then it was gradually read into it. So, what do you mean by THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS CREATED TO MAKE JESUS GOD?The activity of the church fathers, the councils, the copyists errors, the canonisation of the books of the Bible while excluding others, etc was tailored to meet such criteria! The NT manuscripts we have today is the only source of information for now. Yes, and the more latest manuscripts are discovered the more the translations increases and the more errors are discovered in past Bible translations! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by LordAbove: 8:00am On Apr 30 |
AbuTwins: You forget that the God who didn’t wait for recognition before declaring himself openly went on to take on the form of a human, and then called himself the Son of God. Why? Because in humbling himself to take the form of a human, he could get hungry, he could get tired, he was like humans were. So he didn’t declare himself God outrightly due to this. Instead he interchangeably declared himself to be God, and the Son of God. And that is where confusion sets in for most. Even his disciples didn’t know this at first. Philip said to him “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us”. What was Jesus’ response? Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’. Jesus in this verse declared himself to be the Father who is God. When Thomas saw Jesus after the resurrection, what did he do? Thomas worshipped Jesus. But only God is to worshipped, so why did Jesus allow himself to be worshipped? Thomas worshipped Jesus and called him “My Lord and my God”. Or do we talk about Isaiah 44:6 where the Old Testament God as you put it called himself the “First and the Last”?. Isaiah 44:6 "This is what the Lord says-Israel's King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. Then in the book of Revelations, Jesus uses the same name that the God of the Old Testament uses too. Revelations 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.“ So we see here that Jesus declares himself to be God, yet again. But Isaiah 44:6 just said there is no other God apart from the God of the Old Testament. Well, this just proves that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament that you mentioned yourself. You see, the Godhead is a doctrine we can never understand. And if you try to define God in a way that fits your human thinking, then you would be only confining God and not believing him to be all-powerful. God is God. Jesus is God. Jesus is the Son of God. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by SIRTee15: 8:18am On Apr 30 |
AbuTwins: It's obvious U are ashamed of your Qur'an. U cannot answer a simple question. A question that is already answered in your quran. Your Koran has the answer to my question but U are too ashamed to say it. This shows not only are U ashamed of the Qur'an but U are embarrassed by what's written in the Qur'an. I will report u to your colleagues... Ohyoudidn't, expanse, Qasim6, antichristian Your friend here Abutwins is embarrassed by what's written in the Qur'an. I have asked him a question lifted from the Qur'an but he's too ashamed of the Qur'an to answer it. A Muslim who is ashamed of the Qur'an cannot be called Muslim. He's left Islam. AbuTwin redeem yourself and answer my question. Look into your Qur'an and give me my answer. If Jesus is indeed is the son of God, should he be worshipped? If Allah has a son, should the son be worshipped? Answer the question. 1 Like |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 8:43am On Apr 30 |
SIRTee15: You are funny and you made me laugh! I don't answer "if" questions till it happens! Especially as this is about the oneness of Allah! You sound frustrated! Allah does not have a son! Neither is Jesus a son but a slave of Allah! There is no "ifs". |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 9:21am On Apr 30 |
LordAbove:Did God in the Old Testament did same? Why the change? Does God change? Even his disciples didn’t know this at first. Philip said to him “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us”.Jesus always speak in Parables! Even his disciples never understood him! Anyone who has seen the messenger has seen the sender of the message! This is not an express claim where Jesus said he is God. I knew you will retranslate a verse with your mindset before you can get it. When Thomas saw Jesus after the resurrection, what did he do?Thomas was surprised! It was an exclamation at least! And it could mean Thomas was calling the Father or calling Jesus god (no capital/small god in Greek)! Jesus later said “Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’” John 20:17 So Jesus had a God who is your God too! God does not have God! Or do we talk about Isaiah 44:6 where the Old Testament God as you put it called himself the “First and the Last”?.This in no way mentions Jesus. The context was in reference to God not Jesus! Then in the book of Revelations, Jesus uses the same name that the God of the Old Testament uses too.This was just tailored to fit in that Isaiah verse but didn't fit in wholly! God is never afraid to call Himself God below! Isaiah 44:6 “This is what the LORD says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. But Jesus will always hide in ambiguity refusing to call himself God directly! Revelation 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” So we see here that Jesus declares himself to be God, yet again. But Isaiah 44:6 just said there is no other God apart from the God of the Old Testament. Well, this just proves that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament that you mentioned yourself.You must translate and retranslate to get what you want with the Bible! Jesus didn't for once call himself God! You see, the Godhead is a doctrine we can never understand. And if you try to define God in a way that fits your human thinking, then you would be only confining God and not believing him to be all-powerful. We understood God in the Torah to be just one! The Godhead was created later after Jesus! Jesus didn't ever call himself God! You always need to perform miracles to fit in the gaps to make Jesus God! Jesus worshipped God many times! Jesus did great miracles but does not know the hour! Jesus claimed he had a God! Jesus said the father is greater than him! Jesus said in John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. The only true God is the God that sent Jesus as a Messenger! And Acts 2:22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 9:32am On Apr 30 |
AbuTwins: So the person doesn't have a name. You claimed there's no ORIGINAL! So to you all the NEW TESTAMENT copies we have today ARE ALL FAKE, RIGHT? If you want the truth you can read the two prefaces to RSV 1952 and 1971. Your Bible DDs did revealed a lot in the ways they've been toying with your brains! So you believe what RSV wrote and don't believe their translation. Well, this isn't where we're going. Your claim about trinitarian Bible etc! So what makes it complicated? If this was true then the councils won't needed to have happened! The councils fixed so many things unproven in the Bible. And then it was gradually read into it. Are you serious? So you don't know we have manuscripts that dated back to the early 2nd century. The activity of the church fathers, the councils, the copyists errors, the canonisation of the books of the Bible while excluding others, etc was tailored to meet such criteria! If they are copies it means there's original. Or are they copy from empty space? But there are manuscripts to back it up. So, definitely it can't be manipulated without changing the manuscripts. You don't have point here. Yes, and the more latest manuscripts are discovered the more the translations increases and the more errors are discovered in past Bible translations! Pure lie. Provide your evidence. Your claim that New Testament was created to make Jesus God is false. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by LordAbove: 9:50am On Apr 30 |
AbuTwins: “Did God in the Old Testament did same? Why the change? Does God change?“ I do not understand this question of yours. Could you rephrase it for me? And it’s funny you’re saying I’m translating the verses when I just said them as they were written. You’re the one who is translating and claiming they were tailor fit. Thomas called Jesus God, and here you are saying that he meant “god”. Who is the one trying to translate it to fit our own view? It is you, my friend. You just tried to misinterpret it to make it fit into your narrative. So do not project that onto me. Jesus later said “Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’” John 20:17 So Jesus had a God who is your God too! God does not have God!” “I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” [b]This is the mystery of the Godhead that I tell you we cannot possibly fathom. You cannot make it make sense, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Yes, Jesus said “My God and your God”, but God also said the same thing about Jesus! Hebrews 1:6-12; And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him." In speaking of the angels he says, "He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire." But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. •You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. 10 He also says, "In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. "They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. 12 You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end." Did you see that? But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. •You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. He calls Jesus God. And in the latter parts of that chapter, he goes on to say that Jesus laid the foundations of the earth. Thereby, solidifying him as the Creator, God.[/b] “Jesus said the father is greater than him!“ As I said in the first comment I made on here, God took on the form of a human and called that the Son of God. Humans hunger, thirst, sleep, and they get tired. The Son(God in human form) was subject to all these, so that’s why he said that the Father(God in his true form) is greater than the Son. In other words, when he said “The Father is greater than the Son”, he meant “My divine nature is greater than my human nature.” You cannot understand God. But Jesus is God, and the Son of God. PS: I can’t get some parts of this to highlight. I hope you don’t mind. 1 Like |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Qasim6(m): 9:53am On Apr 30 |
SIRTee15: What is it with the If? God says he has no son, so why waste your time with the ifs? Q 21:26 And they say: the Merciful has adopted a son; glorified is He, but they are honoured servants. The term "son of God" is just honorific title. That's how the Jews understood it, it's the pagan Romans that took the term to another level with Jesus. 1 Like |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by SIRTee15: 10:00am On Apr 30 |
AbuTwins: U don't answer if questions BUT YOUR QUR'AN ANSWERED THE IF QUESTION. YOUR QUR'AN WHICH IS THE MIRACLE OF ISLAM ANSWERED THE IF QUESTION I'M LOOKING FOR But you here saying U can't answer if question that's already answered in your Qur'an. Are U greater than the Qur'an? AbuTwin are U greater than Muhammed who answered the if question? Are U? Walahi...not only are U ashamed of the Qur'an but you are embarrassed by what's written in it. Even me I'm now ashamed for U...walahi. Breaking news... Abutwins denies the Qur'an: says it's wrong for Muslims to answer if questions.
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Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by SIRTee15: 10:05am On Apr 30 |
Qasim6: Just answer my question. Muhammed put the if question in your Qur'an, not me or any Christian or any non Muslim. So I don't understand why U Muslims should be ashamed of the question Why are U guys embarrassed by what's written in your Qur'an. Answer the question!!!! Its a simple question and the answer is in your Qur'an. If Jesus is indeed is the son of God, should he be worshipped? If Allah has a son, should the son be worshipped? 1 Like |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 10:11am On Apr 30 |
SIRTee15: For them to keep dodging these simple questions means they know what they are actually doing. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 10:13am On Apr 30 |
Emusan: They are all copies of copies! There's no original manuscript anywhere! And even at that, no two manuscripts is exactly the same! So you believe what RSV wrote and don't believe their translation.How will i believe something as clearly dubious as that! So what makes it complicated?It is unfounded yet read into the Bible so much so that you'll think it is written there in black and white! And the way the Bible translators are removing trinity verses and readding it later needs to be studied! Are you serious?Even if you have such manuscripts that's about a hundred years after Jesus! There are many manuscripts but no two manuscripts are exactly the same! What do you know about the manuscripts? Who wrote it? Where was it copied from? Who preserved it? When was it written? Are the writers Christians and of sound memory/moral character? If they are copies it means there's original. So which of the manuscripts you have is the original? It can be manipulated! Let me give you an example in the Old Testament to ginger you! How old was Saul when he became King? How long did he reigned over Israel? 1 Samuel 13:1 1.NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years. 2. ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION Saul lived for one year and then became king, and when he had reigned for two years over Israel. 3. KING JAMES BIBLE Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel 4. NET BIBLE Saul was [thirty] years old when he began to reign; he ruled over Israel for [forty] years. 5. NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE 1977 Saul was forty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty-two years over Israel. 6. JPS TANAKH 1917 Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel. 7. AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION Saul was forty years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel 8. YOUNG'S LITERAL VERSION A son of a year is Saul in his reigning, yea, two years he hath reigned over Israel Pure lie. I lie you not! https://www.nairaland.com/8067594/abu-chats-two-christians-bible |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 10:17am On Apr 30 |
SIRTee15: Anyone following the thread will see your illogical reasoning! It's like saying if you were a bastard.... But you are not a bastard! Muhammad could have answered since he receives revelations from Allah! Allah could have answered since He is All-Knowing! What i know is that Allah needs no son to help Him! He begets not nor is begotten! And there's no one equal to Him! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 10:18am On Apr 30 |
Qasim6: I tire o! They just want to force trinity everywhere! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 10:27am On Apr 30 |
LordAbove: It would have been better if you had done it as usual. Jesus was never on earth in Hebrew or Revelations! Show us where Jesus called himself God like the God in the OT did! Isaiah 44:6 “This is what the LORD says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. Deuteronomy 4:35 You were shown these things so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him. Psalm 86:10 For You are great and perform wonders; You alone are God. Isaiah 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King. Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand. Psalm 18:31 For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God? Isaiah 43:10 "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may consider and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me no god was formed, and after Me none will come. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by RightChannel: 10:37am On Apr 30 |
AbuTwins: With that verse, is Jesus Christ created? Jesus is a Spirit proceeded from God, is Adam or anyone else a spirit proceed from God? These are some of the reason why Jesus Christ is God Bible says God is spirit, Jesus Christ according to what you quoted says Jesus Christ is a spirit, is Jesus Christ not God even with what you pasted above? |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by LordAbove: 10:38am On Apr 30 |
AbuTwins: “ It would have been better if you had done it as usual.” I don’t comment on Nairaland that much, so I never cared to understand how the attributes work. You may have to deal with this for now, please. And the verses you just put down do not disprove anything I said. It is only reiterating that Jesus is indeed God. Look at the verses you put down, and see how God says that there is no other God apart from him. But then in Hebrews 1, he calls Jesus God. Whoa, did God just lie? Or could it be that truly Jesus and God are one and the same? The latter is the case, my friend, because Jesus also declared that when he said “I and my Father are one”, and “The Father is in me, and I am in the Father”. And since you’re springing out verses from the Old Testament, why did you leave out the part where God is the Creator? Then in the New Testament, Jesus is called the Creator. You do not understand the doctrine of God. No one can. Know this and know peace. Jesus is God, and the Son of God. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 10:50am On Apr 30 |
LordAbove: This is exactly what i have been saying. The verses in the old testament did not mention Jesus! Nowhere in the New Testament did Jesus call himself the creator! Someone will write a statement and it will be attributed to Jesus! I and my father are one if read in context exposes the meaning as oneness of purpose and not oneness of persons! You are still interpreting and reinterpreting to derive your Jesus is God! The verses i stated didn't need any interpretation! Show us where Jesus said clearly "I am God" or "worship me" or "There's no God beside me"! |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by LordAbove: 11:16am On Apr 30 |
AbuTwins: Do I have to go over what I already said before? I told you that God took on human form and called that form the Son of God. We know that as Jesus. So prior to that, Jesus could not have been seen in the Old Testament except you mention the rare occasions he appeared to Abraham as Melchizedek. Or when he wrestled with Jacob as The Angel of the Lord, and afterwards, Jacob even said I have wrestled with “God”. Or when he appeared to Manoah as The Angel of the Lord, and Manoah said “We have seen God”. These are all the pre-incarnate forms of Jesus before he ever took on flesh. When he declared himself as God, I am, he said to the Pharisees; “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” This is the meeting of Melchizedek and Abraham as he returned from the slaughter of kings. This heavenly event recorded the first tithe, but most importantly, the first communion of our Lord and God, Jesus Christ. The Pharisees claimed he was too young to claim he ever met Abraham, and what did Jesus answer? He declared himself God. “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” He used the very first name God used when he spoke to Moses on the burning bush. I AM! That is why the Pharisees got mad and tried to stone him because they thought he was blaspheming. But he wasn’t. About Jesus being the Creator, have you ever read John 1? The verse 3 of it says; “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.” Colossians 1:15-17 also says the same thing. “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. I already explained to you why he didn’t declare himself as God outrightly. It was because he had taken the form of human, therefore he had become human. After the resurrection, he could walk through walls and even ascend. He glorified that human form he called the Son. And that is why when Thomas worshipped him saying “My Lord and my God”, he answered Thomas and said "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." Jesus is the Creator. Jesus is God. Jesus is the Son of God. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by SIRTee15: 11:16am On Apr 30 |
AbuTwins: Another gbagaun. I will show U where Jesus said worship me and also where he's called creator in the new testament. Jesus as creator of life Colossians 1 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in Jesus all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 1 Corinthians 8 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. Acts 3 15 You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this. Jesus demands worship. John 5 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honour the Father who sent him. Abu twin has no shame. This is someone who can not defend the Qur'an but denied it. First go and read the Qur'an and answer my simple question If Jesus is the indeed the son of Allah, should he be worshipped? Your knowledge of the bible is zero and very embarrassing for a Muslim apologetics. U dont know the bible. Take this as a sincere advice. 2 Likes |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 11:22am On Apr 30 |
AbuTwins: But there must be the FIRST COPY which is original. You're lying Majority of manuscripts are the same. How will i believe something as clearly dubious as that! So why do you want me to read it, if you don't believe what was written there? It is unfounded yet read into the Bible so much so that you'll think it is written there in black and white! This has not proved your point that THE NEW TESTAMENT was created to make Jesus God. Now, can we agree that The New Testament actually attested that Jesus God? So that we move to next line. Even if you have such manuscripts that's about a hundred years after Jesus! There are many manuscripts but no two manuscripts are exactly the same! Stop this lies. Majority of the manuscripts we have in possession read the same and this is the reason why people can compare them to each other. What do you know about the manuscripts? Who wrote it? Where was it copied from? Who preserved it? When was it written? Are the writers Christians and of sound memory/moral character? Manuscripts are the written of the olds we found and are using today. The original writer wrote it. Copied from the Original. Those in possession of it during their time preserve it. Each have the date as we know today. Yes! They are all Christians. Or is it Muslims who wrote them? So which of the manuscripts you have is the original? This is senseless question. All manuscripts are their own original but the first WRITING where those manuscripts copy from are different. It can be manipulated! Yes! Just like Quran too but the fact that we have different manuscripts written at different time and places shows there are not manipulated to much extended. Let me give you an example in the Old Testament to ginger you! We're talking about the New Testament and who it was created to make Jesus God. So, do you agree that reading the New Testament one can actually conclude that Jesus is God? So that we move one. I lie you not! You lied! I don't need to be directed to another thread. In Summary: 1. You can't proof that the New Testament was CREATED to make Jesus God. 2. One reading the New Testament can actually conclude that Jesus is God. These are the two points. |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 11:23am On Apr 30 |
SIRTee15: Is Colossians and Corinthians that are Paul's letters an affirmation from Jesus that he is God? Was it Jesus saying what you wrote up there in Acts? Even the John verse is so so! Many Prophets were worshipped just like Jesus which i have showed you! Prophets were honored as God's representatives! You sabi abuse sha but i forgive you for the abuse! 1 Like |
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by LordAbove: 11:26am On Apr 30 |
AbuTwins, SIRTee just provided you with other verses of Scripture that show that Jesus is the Creator. There are other verses too that haven’t even been mentioned. Please do your due diligence first, before trying to refute Scripture with Scripture that only prove Scripture. Let him who reads, understand. SIRTee15: |
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