KnownUnknown:


Which is what anyone who doesn’t have an idea of god would say. Or like very young children say” what is that?”
You wouldn’t call such a person atheist.

Or we can just apply your criteria:
You cannot believe in what you do not have an idea of. Babies do not have an idea of the concept of Tizizi. Therefore, they are not tizizists. And atizizist simply means "Not-a-tizizist"

You already answered your own question. Tizizist, is not a concept of believe or a non believe.
It basically just a word.
And I simply did not understand, therefore I have a non-understanding of the word. I lack the understanding of the word.

Theism is a believe in deities, and babies simply do not understand deities. Therefore, they have a "non-believe" of that believe . They lack the believes in what they do not understand. Simply atheism.

TenQ:

For Atheist, YES
AND
For Theists ,YES


For Christians however we proceed from Believing to having FAITH!

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Ended up defeating your self. Delete before LordReed sees this bro.

TenQ:

Unfortunately, I don't know what you define as tangible in this context

You defined intangible as things we cannot measure via empirical means, and are not measurable.. For example, Faith, Hope, Joy, etc.

OH oh oh oh oh oh.... You didn't mention any of these.. You were talking of Software.. Bwuahahahahaha.... At least, logic, software, are things we can manipulate.. But answer my question first, what category does God fall under?

God falls into this category?

TenQ:

There is a difference between knowing and Believing
Knowing:
1. We dont Believe that 1+5=6 because we can 100% verify that this is the outcome of our position remain static even if you go to the moon or mars to do it.
2. We don't Believe that Bola Ahmed Tinubu is the president of Nigeria. It is among the things we know with 100% certainty.
Believing:
We hold a position of Belief and not knowledge anytime our position has an iota of uncertainty...

Can you state your three best reasons for disbelieving in any Deity as the Creator?
.

Like atheists do eg knownunknown, i believe the Dangote is the president of Nigeria and not Tinubu. I don't even know if Tinubu exists not to talk of him being president,.

And i believe 1 + 5= 15.

This is how atheists choose their beliefs.

JessicaRabbit:


Sure, let's focus! But before we do, is a rock hurtling through space considered "having a cause" in your book? Because if a giant space boulder qualifies, then the answer might be a lot more interesting than a simple yes or no, wouldn't you agree?

Which space?

A rock.hurtling through our space on earth has a cause, in all books and (you and i aint seen.a rock flying through the space outside the earth and even if it did, it would definitely have a cause because rocks dont fly on their own, hoing by our own experoence on earth!

FRANCISTOWN:

You already answered your own question. Tizizist, is not a concept of believe or a non believe.
It basically just a word.
And I simply did not understand, therefore I have a non-understanding of the word. I lack the understanding of the word.

Theism is a believe in deities, and babies simply do not understand deities. Therefore, they have a "non-believe" of that believe . They lack the believes in what they do not understand. Simply atheism.

There is no difference between tizizi and deity except that Tizizi is behind you right now but invincible.

You say tizizi is just a word but so is diety and until the child is acquainted with the concepts they signify you can’t just slap any label on them.
Theism is a belief in a deity, but you have to be aware of the concept of deity before you can be a theist, polytheist, or atheist. You not also do not need belief or non belief when you can just dismiss the concept as rubbish after understanding it.

To use your criteria again, this is how children see all concepts they are unaware of:

You already answered your own question. Deity, is not a concept of believe or a non believe to a child.
It basically just a word.
And they simply did not understand, therefore they have a non-understanding of the word. They lack the understanding of the word.

Do you have belief or non belief in Tizizi? Or do you acknowledge that it’s something I made up?

Once you can understand that, you can move beyond atheism or claiming others are atheists when they say they are not.

Can a polytheist call a theist an atheist?

If a polytheist believes in 7 deities while the theist believes in 1 deity, does this make the theist an atheists towards the other 6 or even all 7?

FRANCISTOWN:

You already answered your own question. Tizizist, is not a concept of believe or a non believe.
It basically just a word.
And I simply did not understand, therefore I have a non-understanding of the word. I lack the understanding of the word.

Theism is a believe in deities, and babies simply do not understand deities., they have a "non-believe" of that believe . They lack the believes in what they do not understand. Simply atheism.

I'm afraid you're only willing to see things through the lens of your atheistic position.

Why not born neutral, agnostic , irreligious or even indifferent?

Why are atheists the only ones making such claim about babies?

Remember I said talk like yours are psychological gimmick to get people into accepting something as true without questioning it. Calling it a psychological gimmick is putting it euphemistically. It's actually a lie,a brainwashing tool used by cult groups to control the thinking of their followers.


If you do a little research on this, by visiting the site , " Psychology Today" you will find different variants of it so you know what you're actually doing without you being fully aware . Other atheist are making the same claim everywhere,and because of that you think it's the correct thing to say.



Nothing wrong if you choose non belief, atheism,but to label every baby as atheist is wrong. Nothing substantial to support your claim.


The adult atheist lack of belief is founded on something, the absence of any verifiable evidences for gods and the supernatural. Babies have no such considerations. They have not considered any evidence for or against anything to lack belief or disbelieve.


Babies are born neutral, neither believing or disbelieving anything.atheism.

They shouldn't be labeled as atheist just because of the presence of theist . It's casting them in a particular mould even before they're ready to form their own minds on anything.

No one is born an atheist. If that were true we would be seeing evidences of babies of certain age everywhere displaying strong apathy for anything God or the spiritual once the topic is introduced to them for the first time.

FRANCISTOWN:

Nwanne, everyone is born an atheist.
I already gave you an explanation and this should not even be debatable topic.

I don't know why we always need to break things down to our christian brothers especially.

Atheism is anyone that doesn't have the ability to believe, not just anyone who has the ability to disbelieve. Whether as a child or as an adult.

If I said p1 = Δp + p2 , you prolly do not understand that formula or If I spoke in a foreign tongue, you simply do not understand. Your brain cannot process what it doesn't understand.

There are adults in China that if you prolly talked anything about God to 'em, they'll prolly just look at you like you are sick.
Their brain just lack the ability to understand how such things can ever work.

And I've told you that. If babies were raised in environments where they've never heard about deities. By the time they are grown, if anyone asked them about deities. They'd just go blank, the same way you'll go blank if I presented a strange formula to you.

@ the bolded, I'm not a Christian please.

Babies are not born atheist. It's what you have been made to believe by other atheist before you.

You're relying on an incomplete definition for atheism to label babies as atheist. You're defining it as a lack of belief in gods,and ending it there. What of the "due to the absence of verifiable evidences for gods" Include the other part and see if you make sense

Modified. 1. You lied about China. There are no such adults in China who haven't heard the word god or what's called god in Chinese. Because you hear that China is a predominate atheist country, you just assume the majority there are atheist
Not true.

To put it a proper context, predominate atheist country means, China is a country where we have more atheist than anywhere else in the world. It doesn't mean the majority are atheist. They have their own traditional religion which most of them subscribe to
It's atheist propaganda talk to declare China an atheist country. It's the government that's atheist,not everyone or majority Only a few are atheist when you consider the entire population


2. Not knowing about deities shouldn't translate into atheism
You're saying that because that's the only thing you know or can think of
You can describe them as indifferent or neutral. That's better

KnownUnknown:
How were you an atheist before you were taught about gods?!

I had no god before or after I learnt about gods.

Its a language fault. And the fact that we are talking about theism and using it to define one another.

triplechoice:


I think, the correct thing, from what you explained up there, is that you were born without any knowledge of what a god is, and not that you were born an atheist.

Babies lack the neural development to actively believe or disbelieve a god. So they cannot be born atheist, instead they're born neutral, not believing or disbelieving anything.

I can accept this. See my response above.

budaatum:


I had no god before or after I learnt about gods.

Its a language fault. And the fact that we are talking about theism and using it to define one another.

But I didn’t define you based on theism; you did, when you called yourself an atheist.

triplechoice:

Is atheism all about the label or the behaviour itself?

It depends on the individual. Though I doubt atheism alone influences anyone's behaviour since they usually don't eat bread alone.

My atheism extends to beliefs in general and could be called antibelief. It does also include love for my neighbours, which is not a belief but a behaviour.

KnownUnknown:
But I didn’t define you based on theism; you did, when you called yourself an atheist.

Here defines one as either a theist or an atheist. I call myself budaatum.

KnownUnknown:


You have to have knowledge about the concept before you can call yourself any of the above.

I’m not agnostic atheist, whatever that means.

It means someone who is skeptical and an atheist.. Wait wait, it means an atheist who is skeptical... Wait wait... An atheist that lacks belief in, but open mind to belief...wait wait..

Okay, I give up... My head hurts now.. 😂

triplechoice:


@ the bolded, I'm not a Christian please.

Babies are not born atheist. It's what you have been made to believe by other atheist before you.

This is one of the phrases I hate the most in my life. If not that my eagle just landed, I would have said some really abrasive stuff to you.

Are you saying you can't think for yourself with your head, but you rely on what other people think as a blueprint for living your life?

Do you think everyone is dumb that other people can make them believe whatever?
Are you that kinna person?

Please I beseech you. Moving forward, never use that statement when chatting to me.

triplechoice:

You're relying on an incomplete definition for atheism to label babies as atheist. You're defining it as a lack of belief in gods,and ending it there. What of the "due to the absence of verifiable evidences for gods" Include the other part and see if you make sense.

Check your dictionary. What does it say? You and that other guy are birds of feather.

Atheists are critical thinkers, a skill non-atheists will never possess .

You/someone said sometime ago that some people became atheists due to disappointments or emotional consequences. Can these people be also categorized under people who became atheists due to the absence of verifiable evidences for God?

People turn atheists for different reasons.
Whatever you have added is only a figment of your own imagination to give you sweet dreams. That's not atheism in the grand scheme of things

triplechoice:

Modified. 1. You lied about China. There are no such adults in China who haven't heard the word god or what's called god in Chinese. Because you hear that China is a predominate atheist country, you just assume the majority there are atheist
Not true.

This was what I said:

There are adults in China that if you prolly talked anything about God to 'em, they'll prolly just look at you like you are sick.
Their brain just lack the ability to understand how such things can ever work.

Now, how is this tantamount to "There are adults who have never heard about God in China"?
I'm a Nigerian and I always see christians especially, as people who are mentally ill whenever they are on about that Jesus thing. Does that mean I've never heard about God?

You really need to hone your comprehensive skills.

Do you know why nobody can gainsay me in a debate? It's because I always know what I talk about, and not just knowing. I have a deep understanding of them.
If you wanted to defeat me. You need to find a way to drag me into what I know but do not understand. That's how you can have anything on me.

triplechoice:

To put it a proper context, predominate atheist country means, China is a country where we have more atheist than anywhere else in the world. It doesn't mean the majority are atheist. They have their own traditional religion which most of them subscribe to
It's atheist propaganda talk to declare China an atheist country. It's the government that's atheist,not everyone or majority Only a few are atheist when you consider the entire population

Lol😂😂😂 Comedian. See the way you are sweating.

https://www.wionews.com/web-stories/world/top-10-most-atheist-countries-1689591277515


I no dey like talk too much these days. I go just attach a screenshot from Gallup's poll as seen on Wikipedia. And a report from other survey

triplechoice:

2. Not knowing about deities shouldn't translate into atheism
You're saying that because that's the only thing you know or can think of
You can describe them as indifferent or neutral. That's better

I got questions for ya . What is a person who does not believe in the existence of deities called?
Do babies believe in the existence of deities?

BTW, you no be atheist?
Wetin you come dey do o? You dey worship water?😂😂😂

triplechoice:

I'm afraid you're only willing to see things through the lens of your atheistic position.

Why not born neutral, agnostic , irreligious or even indifferent?

Why are atheists the only ones making such claim about babies?

Remember I said talk like yours are psychological gimmick to get people into accepting something as true without questioning it. Calling it a psychological gimmick is putting it euphemistically. It's actually a lie,a brainwashing tool used by cult groups to control the thinking of their followers.


If you do a little research on this, by visiting the site , " Psychology Today" you will find different variants of it so you know what you're actually doing without you being fully aware . Other atheist are making the same claim everywhere,and because of that you think it's the correct thing to say.



Nothing wrong if you choose non belief, atheism,but to label every baby as atheist is wrong. Nothing substantial to support your claim.


The adult atheist lack of belief is founded on something, the absence of any verifiable evidences for gods and the supernatural. Babies have no such considerations. They have not considered any evidence for or against anything to lack belief or disbelieve.


Babies are born neutral, neither believing or disbelieving anything.atheism.

They shouldn't be labeled as atheist just because of the presence of theist . It's casting them in a particular mould even before they're ready to form their own minds on anything.

No one is born an atheist. If that were true we would be seeing evidences of babies of certain age everywhere displaying strong apathy for anything God or the spiritual once the topic is introduced to them for the first time.

Now lemme give you a smack down. I want to win flawlessly. 100% fatality. Emi ika.

Let's get this over with once and for all.

Of which religion are you?
Lemme expose you lies.

FRANCISTOWN:


Now lemme give you a smack down. I want to win flawlessly. 100% fatality. Emi ika.


Of which religion are you?

Life is not black and white only. I'm irreligious.

https://www.chinasource.org/resource-library/blog-entries/are-most-chinese-really-atheists/

The Pew review doesn't give an accurate description of things. Read why from the above or meet up with Chinese people here in Nigeria to tell you the truth.

FRANCISTOWN:


This is one of the phrases I hate the most in my life. If not that my eagle just landed, I would have said some really abrasive stuff to you.

Are you saying you can't think for yourself with your head, but you rely on what other people think as a blueprint for living your life?

Do you think everyone is dumb that other people can make them believe whatever?
Are you that kinna person?

Please I beseech you. Moving forward, never use that statement when chatting to me.



Check your dictionary. What does it say? You and that other guy are birds of feather.

Atheists are critical thinkers, a skill non-atheists will never possess .

You/someone said sometime ago that some people became atheists due to disappointments or emotional consequences. Can these people be also categorized under people who became atheists due to the absence of verifiable evidences for God?

People turn atheists for different reasons.
Whatever you have added is only a figment of your own imagination to give you sweet dreams. That's not atheism in the grand scheme of things





This was what I said:


Now, how is this tantamount to "There are adults who have never heard about God in China"?
I'm a Nigerian and I always see christians especially, as people who are mentally ill whenever they are on about that Jesus thing. Does that mean I've never heard about God?

You really need to hone your comprehensive skills.

Do you know why nobody can gainsay me in a debate? It's because I always know what I talk about, and not just knowing. I have a deep understanding of them.
If you wanted to defeat me. You need to find a way to drag me into what I know but do not understand. That's how you can have anything on me.


Lol😂😂😂 Comedian. See the way you are sweating.

https://www.wionews.com/web-stories/world/top-10-most-atheist-countries-1689591277515


I no dey like talk too much these days. I go just attach a screenshot from Gallup's poll as seen on Wikipedia. And a report from other survey


I got questions for ya . What is a person who does not believe in the existence of deities called?
Do babies believe in the existence of deities?

BTW, you no be atheist?
Wetin you come dey do o? You dey worship water?😂😂😂

I will respond later. I dey watch football

triplechoice:


Life is not black and white only. I'm irreligious.

I no dey chat too much these days. Enjoy the below.

triplechoice:
https://www.chinasource.org/resource-library/blog-entries/are-most-chinese-really-atheists/

The Pew review doesn't give an accurate description of things. Read why from the above or meet up with Chinese people here in Nigeria to tell you the truth.

Lol! Same estimation from different sources yet you claim injustice.
Nwanne, have you ever been to China?

triplechoice:


Life is not black and white only. I'm irreligious.

All there is that is sure is that. Mathiastelins with six heads, the true God created you.

What do you mean, triplechoice, when you say "babies aren't born atheist"?

Without a doubt, TenQ, you have wrapped yourself in your own arguments that your mind is now entangled and struggling to escape the nuisances that you, yourself, ascribed to words like "tangible" and "intangible."

Simple tell us which Category God falls under, and we can close the windows on this!!!!!

I'll give you props for making your writeup easy to read though. The boldening, underline, and spaces made it easy to follow your line of arguments. My " ADHD,"I mean short attention span, didn't was actually glued in..

kkins25:
Without a doubt, TenQ, you have wrapped yourself in your own arguments that your mind is now entangled and struggling to escape the nuisances that you, yourself, ascribed to words like "tangible" and "intangible."

Simple tell us which Category God falls under, and we can close the windows on this!!!!!

I'll give you props for making your writeup easy to read though. The boldening, underline, and spaces made it easy to follow your line of arguments. My " ADHD,"I mean short attention span, didn't was actually glued in..

Your ADHD is the reason I refused to engage your cluelessness!

TenQ:

Your ADHD is the reason I refused to engage your cluelessness!

"For Atheist, YES

AND
For Theists ,YES


For Christians however we proceed from Believing to having FAITH!"

Explain the nonsense here, or accept that you don't even understand your own arguments.

kkins25:
What do you mean, triplechoice, when you say "babies aren't born atheist"?

Lol! You dey mind those ones wey no know anything 😂

KnownUnknown:


There is no difference between tizizi and deity except that Tizizi is behind you right now but invincible.

You say tizizi is just a word but so is diety and until the child is acquainted with the concepts they signify you can’t just slap any label on them.
Theism is a belief in a deity, but you have to be aware of the concept of deity before you can be a theist, polytheist, or atheist. You not also do not need belief or non belief when you can just dismiss the concept as rubbish after understanding it.

To use your criteria again, this is how children see all concepts they are unaware of:

You already answered your own question. Deity, is not a concept of believe or a non believe to a child.
It basically just a word.
And they simply did not understand, therefore they have a non-understanding of the word. They lack the understanding of the word.

Do you have belief or non belief in Tizizi? Or do you acknowledge that it’s something I made up?

Once you can understand that, you can move beyond atheism or claiming others are atheists when they say they are not.

Babies can't be born indifferent and they can't be born neutral. Babies are born fully equipped with all the necessary senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch.

Since they are not born with any belief, they only make sense of their environment using their senses. And that's how they build their understanding right from small, a kind of believe.

When a child cries and you put a mother's nipple in the baby's mouth, at that time . The baby believes anything that comes into the mouth should quench the feeling of hunger.

To say babies are born neutral or indifferent is a total error. I might agree with "babies are born innocent".

I've told you. It's in your dictionary. I can't be sorry because you refuse to read it.

Anyone that doesn't have even the littlest form of belief in the existence of deities is an atheist.
A baby is non-religious or Igtheist at best. Therefore, an atheist by proximity.

Lemme ask a question .

If you raised a child in an environment where no one mentions anything about deities. By that time the child is 20. When anyone tells him anything about God.

What will be the response of the child?


Now back to the point. If tzizi was a word and people who understand tzizi are called theists.
What will be called of people who don't understand the word "tzizi"?

•Atheists are people who do not believe in the existence of deities.
•Babies do not have the ability to believe in the existence of deities.
Therefore,
•Babies are atheists.

That is abductive reasoning in critical thinking.
It's a very intriguing topic in psychology and philosophy.

Modified:

Anyone or anything| anyone.

FRANCISTOWN:

I no dey chat too much these days. Enjoy the below.

Thank you very much.But you noticed that one of the synonyms for irreligious is freethinker? How would you know if I'm that?

Are atheist or theist freethinkers? No way !
Please use your brain and learn to Judge people by what they do and say and not what you assume about them.


Your wrong assumption about my person is why you're doing all of these.


Before now, you assumed, like an average religious person who doesn't think, I was a Christian and wanted to put the blame on me for your inability to prove how exactly babies are atheist.

This time around, you're clutching at straws to stay afloat.

Just focus on the discussion at hand,and quite trying to cast me in a mould of your choice to help you win an argument. You don't know anything about me . Nothing at all.

The claim that babies are atheist is not your idea. It's Hawking's. But you're here regurgitating it is if you thought it out yourself. . Because he said so ,he must be correct. Not so ?

triplechoice:
Thank you very much.But you noticed that one of the synonyms for irreligious is freethinker? How would you know if I'm that?

Are atheist or theist freethinkers? No way
Please use your brain and learn to Judge people by what they do and say and not what you assume about them.


Your wrong assumption about my person is why you're doing all of these.


Before now, you assumed, like an average religious person who doesn't think, I was a Christian and wanted to put the blame on me for your inability to prove how exactly babies are atheist.

This time around, you're clutching at straws to stay afloat.

Just focus on the discussion at hand,and quite trying to cast me in a mould of your choice to help you win an argument. You don't know anything about me . Nothing at all.

The claim that babies are atheist is not your idea. It's Hawking's. But you're here regurgitating it is if you thought it out yourself. . Because he said so ,he must be correct. Not so?

Just so you know, Budaatum was the one who used that phrase in this thread. I defended It because i agree to it.

Remember to take something warm before bed. Don't take coffee though and be sure to close your mouth while sleeping.

People wey go good school don understand me. Who says it's an offense to lack understanding? We are thankful for life bro.

Have a good evening.

FRANCISTOWN:




Babies can't be born indifferent and they can't be born neutral. Babies are born fully equipped with all the necessary senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch.

Since they are not born with any belief, they only make sense of their environment using their senses. And that's how they build their understanding right from small, a kind of believe.

When a child cries and you put a mother's nipple in the baby's mouth, at that time . The baby believes anything that comes into the mouth should quench the feeling of hunger.

To say babies are born neutral or indifferent is a total error. I might agree with "babies are born innocent".

I've told you. It's in your dictionary. I can't be sorry because you refuse to read it.

Anyone or anything that doesn't have even the littlest form of belief in the existence of deities is an atheist.
A baby is non-religious or Igtheist at best. Therefore, an atheist by proximity.

Lemme ask a question .

If you raised a child in an environment where no one mentions anything about deities. By that time the child is 20. When anyone tells him anything about God.

What will be the response of the child?


Now back to the point. If tzizi was a word and people who understand tzizi are called theists.
What will be called of people who don't understand the word "tzizi"?

•Atheists are people who do not believe in the existence of deities.
•Babies do not have the ability to believe in the existence of deities.
Therefore,
•Babies are atheists.

That is abductive reasoning in critical thinking.
It's a very intriguing topic in psychology and philosophy.

Babies can never be born atheist or anything else..The reason is very simple. A new born is yet to display the kind of brain activity needed to hold or lack any kind of believe.

Saying that babies are born atheist is as silly as saying that they can also be born with common sense or without it. A new born baby not developed the neural development to have or lack common. And who is that fool that would accuse a new born baby of lacking common sense or having it?

So my friend , your claim that babies are born atheist doesn't find any scientific support. .

I already told you that such talk of babies being born this or that is psychological gimmick to brainwash the gullible into accepting as true something that's not true.

Christians are claiming that babies are born sinners, while Muslims are also claiming that every baby is born a Muslim, why? The answer should be obvious to anyone who can really think with their brains.

It's the same tactics hawkings wanted to employ to get people into accepting atheism as the default position. When he came up with silly idea, some atheist even mocked him by labelling him an atheist crusader trying to convert the whole world into atheism.

You not aware of this if not you won't be here mentioning it or even trying to defend it. It's very clear to me you became an atheist just yesterday. You will learn very soon and calm down.

You unfortunately allowed yourself to be brainwashed by something that's not true and because of that can't see how you're not making sense defending it.

A brainwashed person is never aware of their brainswashing and that's a proven psychological fact. The only way to know you're not brainwashed by something is when you're not afraid or unwilling to question it.

You're not questioning what hawkings claimed but defending it because you believe he's above deception

Please understand I'm not judging you as a brainwashed, but saying that you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed .

Visit the site " Psychology Today" and learn more about what hawkings wanted to do with that very silly claim of his. This is the third time I have asked you to research it , but you're not listening. It's your cup of tea .

Good evening. I'm done with you for now.