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Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by triplechoice(m): 9:23pm On May 03 |
FRANCISTOWN:Please take responsibility for your own actions. I have responded to Buda and that's settled between the two of us. And I just responded to your replies. Why should I not? Just learn to respect people you engaged with. It won't take anything from you. Up there, you were telling your friend," you don't know anything" what's that supposed to mean? You skip your medications or smoke something? |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by KnownUnknown: 9:29pm On May 03 |
FRANCISTOWN: Sure. |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by triplechoice(m): 9:34pm On May 03 |
FRANCISTOWN:what do you know about me to think I haven't or have Chinese friends. The reboot was rejected in China since it didn't reflect the truth Why framing the question to get people there giving you the answer you want to hear and then claim majority are of a particular belief? |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by triplechoice(m): 9:38pm On May 03 |
FRANCISTOWN: Exactly what a believer would say If you're not a theist you must be atheist. Black and white thinking Since I'm challenging your claims, the only that comes to your head is theist. SMH |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by triplechoice(m): 10:05pm On May 03 |
kkins25:I was responding to your friend's nonsensical claim that babies who are just begining to form their minds are born atheist. I don't see what should stop him from also declaring that everyone is born an American or British. Its the same kind of reasoning Yes, Francistown was born lacking "Nigerianese" He's not a Nigerian. His default birth status is American. Even though he was born in Nigeria he lacked "Nigerianese" at birth. Someone who lacks"Nigerianese" is an American If was taken immediately to America as a baby, he would have grown up to become what he was born with, an American, speaking the language effortlessly and acting true to his default birth Unfortunately for him, he grew up in Nigeria where he was "indoctrinated" to be a Nigerian. It's even possible that every baby in the world was born an American, but grew up in places where they became something else, Chinese, Indians, Nigerians, and so on 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by triplechoice(m): 10:14pm On May 03 |
FRANCISTOWN: And you know something by regurgitating Hawking's vomit?, Babies are born atheist. Nairaland has become a jungle no thanks to people like you who are quick to make caustic remarks about others without much provocation . If you won't respect me when I haven't disrespected you by insulting you, then stay on your own please. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/12/atheist-baby-richard-dawkins-babies-atheism |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 10:44pm On May 03 |
triplechoice: The post was supposed to be for KnownUnknown but since you are here. Enchanté. If you don't get it now, then I'm sorry. Peace and love. Just make use of your dictionary for once and we are ait. Atheism is simply the lack of believe in the existence of deities, period. It doesn't say anything about why(reasons)/when you do not believe in the existence of deities. (Why you do not believe is your own cup of tea, it doesn't concern atheism. The same way why anyone would follow Jesus is not a concern of christianity) Just don't believe in deities, that's all you need to be an atheist. Again! Atheism is not about the reason you are an atheist. Just don't believe in the existence of deities. Then you are an atheist. Once we understand this English grammar, life is easy and sweet. Babies do not understand the concept of deities(which is a reason atheism isn't concerned about), but as long as we can't rule out the fact that they do not believe in the existence of deities(Non-thiest) . They are simply atheists. Atheism is what you are and not why you are what you are. I don't know where many of you get this misinformed opinion that atheism has to be a kind of choice being made. Religious indoctrination has eaten deep into most of you. But that is not how reality operates. Sometimes atheism is basically what you are not. And not what you are. I guess many of you don't really understand what atheism is. That's the reason you argue unnecessarily. Lemme school you a lil bit. In a probability event of a coin. When a coin is tossed, There are only two possible outcomes. It's either it's the Head or the Tail. The outcome can only be a Tail if it is not a Head. i.e T= not H And the outcome can only be a Head if it is not a Tail. i.e not Tail. It's the same in digital circuits for the Truth Table NOT Gate, that uses 0 and 1, for ON and OFF respectively. Your power outlet socket at home is either Off or On. For whatever reason your socket doesn't have power, it is off. Even if the switch is on. Even in BOOLEAN Algebra and programming. It is 1, when it is not 0. And it is 0, when it is not 1. Also with one of Aristotle's Laws of Logic known as: •The Law of Noncontradiction Either x or not x is true and there is no other possibility. There is no third ground. Either Thiests or Non-Thiests. In electricity, it's either the electrons are flowing or not. Lemme use something you can take with. Here in naija. When there is H.E.P, whether the voltage is good or bad. We say there is light. The opposite of that is No Light. That's how reality works. If you are not a good person, then you are a bad person. There is no middle ground. Whether you know it's an offense or not. Once you commit and the law gets it's grip on you. You are a goner. (ignorance is not an excuse) Using the law of Logic. •The Law of Identity Two entities x and y are identical if they share the same properties. Babies do not believe in the existence of deities. Atheists do not believe in the existence of deities. •The Law of Noncontradiction Either x or not x is true and there is no other possibility. Either you are a Theist or a Non-Thiest (atheists). Babies are not theists. Therefore, atheists. •The Law of the Excluded Middle An entity x has or does not have a property P Atheism has nothin in common with theism likewise theism doesn't have any property of atheism. Babies show no features of theism, therefore atheism. I just explained a concept of the Logic table in statistics. You should pay me for the free lecture. Budaatum was very right and will be forever right to say "She was born an atheist" Also I'm less concerned about your religion or "non religion". It's non' my business. It's not like my name is in your will. By the way. I've been an atheist prolly since when you were still being dressed up for school by your guardian. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 10:47pm On May 03 |
triplechoice:Please show me and this honourable forum. |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by budaatum: 10:49pm On May 03 |
Since I am being blamed for the being "born an atheist" statement, (I never knew Richard Dawkins had said the same thing), perhaps I should be more accurate. My parents had no time for gods when I was born, apart from the intellectual study of Egyptian gods being done by my father who was fascinated by the fact that he had learnt about Yahweh and Allah back home and wondered why he had never been introduced to other Western gods. I learnt about Yahweh and Allah and the fact that people believed in them and in their existence when I arrived in Nigeria at the age of 7. And to me it sounded no different to believing in Tom and Jerry's existence, which some did actually tell me they believed. I had learnt about Greek and Roman and English gods by then, and they were not taught as things to believe in or that had ever existed. So, basically, I was born into an atheist family, and church on Sunday became an excuse to get out the house, though I do confess I often did not end up in the said church. Currently, everyone in my family believes in god. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by triplechoice(m): 10:53pm On May 03 |
FRANCISTOWN: Please use Google |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 10:56pm On May 03 |
triplechoice:I think this is like the second time I'm seeing this in your response. 90% of that you know in this life was thought out by several other people. What makes you an intelligent person is understanding. As lil as brushing your teeth. You didn't think that out by yourself. You saw your parents or someone do it. You walked on your own but you didn't think it out on your own. You saw people walking as an infant and you learnt it. You didn't think out how to make any meal on your own. You have prolly learnt from maybe your mom or anyone else. This language you are speaking you learnt it from people. You didn't think it out on your own. About 95% of what you know, you got it from other people. All the books you studied up till you graduated and till you'll die contain other people's knowledge. That's why there is a difference between knowledge , wisdom and understanding. Knowledge is information. It is what you understand that belongs to you. That phrase didn't come to me from Hawkings. I had always known that babies are born atheists. Hawkings himself wasn't the first person to use that phrase. Baron d'Holbach had used it hundreds of years before Hawkings. Get your facts right before you destroy your OWN image on NL. But that's by the way. Even if it came to me from Hawkings, and I'm still able to understand it in a way that many people can't, including yourself. Then that is true intelligence. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 11:07pm On May 03 |
triplechoice: No be you wan prove me wrong? |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by triplechoice(m): 11:33pm On May 03 |
[quote author=FRANCISTOWN post=129771902] The post was supposed to be for KnownUnknown but since you are here. Enchanté. If you don't get it now, then I'm sorry. Peace and love. Just make use of your dictionary for once and we are ait. Atheism is simply the lack of believe in the existence of deities, period. It doesn't say anything about why(reasons)/when you do not believe in the existence of deities. (Why you do not believe is your own cup of tea, it doesn't concern atheism. The same way why anyone would follow Jesus is not a concern of christianity) Just don't believe in deities, that's all you need to be an atheist. Again! Atheism is not about the reason you are an atheist. Just don't believe in the existence of deities. Then you are an atheist. Once we understand this English grammar, life is easy and sweet. Babies do not understand the concept of deities(which is a reason atheism isn't concerned about), but as long as we can't rule out the fact that they do not believe in the existence of deities(Non-thiest) . They are simply atheists. Atheism is what you are and not why you are what you are. I don't know where many of you get this misinformed opinion that atheism has to be a kind of choice being made. Religious indoctrination has eaten deep into most of you. But that is not how reality operates. Sometimes atheism is basically what you are not. And not what you are. I guess many of you don't really understand what atheism is. That's the reason you argue unnecessarily. Lemme school you a lil bit. In a probability event of a coin. When a coin is tossed, There are only two possible outcomes. It's either it's the Head or the Tail. The outcome can only be a Tail if it is not a Head. i.e T= not H And the outcome can only be a Head if it is not a Tail. i.e not Tail. It's the same in digital circuits for the Truth Table NOT Gate, that uses 0 and 1, for ON and OFF respectively. Your power outlet socket at home is either Off or On. For whatever reason your socket doesn't have power, it is off. Even if the switch is on. Even in BOOLEAN Algebra and programming. It is 1, when it is not 0. And it is 0, when it is not 1. Also with one of Aristotle's Laws of Logic known as: •The Law of Noncontradiction Either x or not x is true and there is no other possibility. There is no third ground. Either Thiests or Non-Thiests. In electricity, it's either the electrons are flowing or not. Lemme use something you can take with. Here in naija. When there is H.E.P, whether the voltage is good or bad. We say there is light. The opposite of that is No Light. That's how reality works. If you are not a good person, then you are a bad person. There is no middle ground. Whether you know it's an offense or not. Once you commit and the law gets it's grip on you. You are a goner. (ignorance is not an excuse) Using the law of Logic. •The Law of Identity Two entities x and y are identical if they share the same properties. Babies do not believe in the existence of deities. Atheists do not believe in the existence of deities. •The Law of Noncontradiction Either x or not x is true and there is no other possibility. Either you are a theists or Non-Thiests (atheists). Babies are not theists. Therefore, atheists. •The Law of the Excluded Middle An entity x has or does not have a property P Atheism has nothin in common with theism likewise theism doesn't have any property of atheism. Babies show no features of theism, therefore atheism. I just explained a concept of the Logic table in statistics. You should pay me for the free lecture. Also I'm less concerned about your religion or "non religion". It's non' my business. It's not like my name is on your will. guardian. You're obviously a kid who is not aware that the person he's talking to is someone old enough to be his grandfather. You don't know anything about me offline yet, you believe you became something, when? You're a new atheist hence the reason for your behaviour. You will calm down very soon like others before you. It's just a matter of time. If you don't calm down then you're a fanatical atheist needing urgent treatment . A fanatic is a fanatic anywhere. . They're highly intolerant and want to eliminate others who don't share in their delusional claims . After this I'm avoiding you as I don't want to be engaging a fanatical atheist. . Just Provide a scientific backing for your claim. That's all All that you have up there is your own opinion. It will be a waste of time responding. They're the effects of what you have been brainwashed with. A new born baby has not developed the level of consciousness needed to have or lack believe in anything. If you insist they have , show the science , not conjectures I'm not interested in ,if a baby is not this then it's that. That's not scientific thinking. BTW , You were born an American. Every baby is. 1 Like |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by LeftAlone(m): 6:12am On May 04 |
FRANCISTOWN: Truly! This guy no get manner o but one thing wey I like about hin arguments be say. E sabi explain die, and you go learn new things. 3 Likes |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by KnownUnknown: 12:50pm On May 04 |
FRANCISTOWN: After this long winded road to nowhere, I asked this baby if he is atheist or pantheist.
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Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by KnownUnknown: 12:52pm On May 04 |
Atheists Council of Elders in their ceremonial white garment and snug diapers. One of them told me he is deist. Can you guess which one?
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Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by KnownUnknown: 1:00pm On May 04 |
FRANCISTOWN: Orangutang do not believe in the existence of deities. Cats do not believe in the existence of deities. Atheists do not believe in the existence of sorties. |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by KnownUnknown: 1:12pm On May 04 |
FRANCISTOWN: Numerous fallacies in your write up. You should look for some free lectures about fallacies. FRANCISTOWN: School yourself a bit and ruminate on this quote. |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 1:27pm On May 04 |
KnownUnknown:I hope people can now see that I'm not always the one who starts throwing insults. “The thing about smart people is that they seem like crazy people to dumb people.” One thing I've noticed is that, intelligent people and the unintelligent ones struggle to communicate and understand each other. You got nothing on me. I wish you peace and love. |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by KnownUnknown: 1:31pm On May 04 |
FRANCISTOWN: Yes, you are very smart. Anyway, I took that Dunning-Krueger link down while you were quoting it because I was wrong |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 1:35pm On May 04 |
KnownUnknown: Point out just 2 fallacies from the numerous fallacies in my write-up. If you could that. Then I'd agree that I've been a stupid person and a waste of human time. But if you couldn't do that, then you are a very stupid person and a waste of time with a single digit IQ. |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 1:37pm On May 04 |
KnownUnknown:I don vex.Body don dey pepper me. I no wan hear anything. |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by KnownUnknown: 1:41pm On May 04 |
FRANCISTOWN: Numerous fallacies in your write up. You should look for some free lectures about fallacies. FRANCISTOWN: School yourself a bit and ruminate on this quote. |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 1:41pm On May 04 |
KnownUnknown: An atheist is a person, a human being. We are not talking about the beast of the field. |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 1:43pm On May 04 |
LeftAlone:🤡 |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by KnownUnknown: 1:43pm On May 04 |
FRANCISTOWN: Lol, ok |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by KnownUnknown: 1:48pm On May 04 |
FRANCISTOWN: Why exclude beasts of the field? They also have an absence of belief in the existence of deities like babies. FRANCISTOWN: |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 1:49pm On May 04 |
triplechoice: A baby who is delivered on America is an American. Whether the baby understands what citizenship means or not. There are things that society confers on kids. A child may grow up to renounce his citizenship. But as long as a baby is born into a hospital within a country. The baby is a citizen by default. Same way babies are born atheists by default. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 1:57pm On May 04 |
KnownUnknown:Scoffs. An atheist is a "person" who lacks a belief in the existence of deities. The person there means a human being. If there were animals that do not believe the existence of deities. I Francis do not know the name. I'm sorry but you do not worth my time. I can't be chilling with someone who calls the kangaroos human beings because they are bipeds. |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by KnownUnknown: 1:58pm On May 04 |
FRANCISTOWN: FRANCISTOWN: |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by budaatum: 1:58pm On May 04 |
FRANCISTOWN: If atheism is defined as a lack of belief in deities, then babies and orangutans qualify, I'd say. Technically, at least, since they lack belief in deities. But atheism as a lack of belief, is a definition from the theist point of view, as atheists ought to know instead. |
Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 2:00pm On May 04 |
KnownUnknown: Okay! Please show me just one of the numerous fallacies. KnownUnknown. And one thing that atheism has in common with theism in the great events of things. |
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