AbuTwins:


So you're God's partners in excommunication!
Show us where God's people were told to excommunicate one another!

Where did Jesus told you to excommunicate one another? Was the adulterous woman excommunicated?
Show us the laws your Governing council used? For example, trousers was strictly forbidden before but now partially forbidden!

Where are the laws?

You'll prefer stoning one another na and removing their head and praise God

AbuTwins:
Execution is not excommunication! And some if not most of those laws are only for Israelites!

Jesus didn't specifically state this. This is your own exegesis. Jesus should have told them this your exegesis himself. So it is clear Jesus never excommunicated anyone! So where did your Governing council get it from?



You should tell us why your Governing council forbid it before if it wasn't forbidden?

Jesus himself said it
Paul later admonish it
Go n rest
You did not read where Jesus told his disciples that the wrongdoer should be treated as tax collectors and people of the nations
You just want to use your Arabian novel full of abrogation to confuse others

Muhammad lifestyle is far less ethical compared to Jesus
It's one reason why Muslims don't want any video portrayed about the life of Muhammad
Millions would have left the faith

Aemmyjah:



You'll prefer stoning one another na and removing their head and praise God

Jehovah too did prefer stoning people before Jehovah changed!

1. Leviticus 24:16 - "Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death."

2. Deuteronomy 17:5-7 - "then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones. On the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses the one who is to die shall be put to death; a person shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness. The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst."

3. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 - "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear."

Aemmyjah:

Jesus himself said it

Where?

Paul later admonish it

Paul never met Jesus! Where did Paul invent it?

Go n rest

I am just starting!

You did not read where Jesus told his disciples that the wrongdoer should be treated as tax collectors and people of the nations
You just want to use your Arabian novel full of abrogation to confuse others

Quote the verse let's see!

Muhammad lifestyle is far less ethical compared to Jesus
It's one reason why Muslims don't want any video portrayed about the life of Muhammad
Millions would have left the faith

We respect our Prophet that much! How many Jesus film exists? Did he die on a cross or stake?

The film is just sheer folly!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you're running away from the question!

Here is it again:

The Bible made it clear that suffering, sickness and death came through Adamic sin and that through the ransom sacrifice of Christ all these will be undone but you said it's not so.

Therefore i asked you to tell me what your Quran says about the cause of suffering, sicknesses and death. You quoted your Quran saying your Allah was using these evil things to test humans.

So i asked you to come out clean.

Is your Allah using suffering, sicknesses and death of loved ones to test people?

It's just a YES or NO answer then afterwards you can add your quotes and explanations!

Can you quote the verse or verses where the Bible says so. (The Bible made it clear that suffering, sickness and death came through Adamic sin)

I have answered you even with a yes but cannot be responsible for your inability to read it.

AbuTwins:
Execution is not excommunication! And some if not most of those laws are only for Israelites!

You don't know the import of excommunication it simply means "REMOVING THE PERSON FROM YOUR GATHERING"
So when they raise their hands to stone him or her to death it's removing such a person from their midst. 1Corinthians 5:13

AbuTwins:

Jesus didn't specifically state this. This is your own exegesis. Jesus should have told them this your exegesis himself. So it is clear Jesus never excommunicated anyone! So where did your Governing council get it from?

Jesus appointed Paul to teach the Jews and the gentiles how to practice the law of Christ {Act 9:15} that's why Paul under inspiration of God's Holy Spirit wrote many letters teachings both Jews and Gentiles the remaining things Jesus never had enough time to teach them! John 16:12-13

AbuTwins:

You should tell us why your Governing council forbid it before if it wasn't forbidden?

God's organization are preachers and teachers of God's word so we put into consideration what is generally acceptable in the society as long as such a thing doesn't contradict the laws of our God so we can reach many with the Good News of God's kingdom.
Trousers has been frowned at by most people in the past so if a Christian woman puts it on those frowning at it may find it difficult to listen to our message but now that many are coming to know its not forbidden in God's law there's no need sticking to such man-made traditions! Philippians 4:8

Ohyoudidnt:


Can you quote the verse or verses where the Bible says so. (The Bible made it clear that suffering, sickness and death came through Adamic sin)

I have answered you even with a yes but cannot be responsible for your inability to read it.

MaxInDHouse is no longer in the house to respond? Or you cannot find the verse specifically saying suffering, sickness and death came through Adamic sin.

Ohyoudidnt:


MaxInDHouse is no longer in the house to respond? Or you cannot find the verse specifically saying suffering, sickness and death came through Adamic sin.

Romans 5
12. That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. 13 For sin was in the world before the Law, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the same way that Adam transgressed, who bears a resemblance to the one who was to come.
15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if by one man’s trespass many died, how much more did the undeserved kindness of God and his free gift by the undeserved kindness of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to many!
16 Also, it is not the same with the free gift as with the way things worked through the one man who sinned. For the judgment after one trespass was condemnation, but the gift after many trespasses was a declaration of righteousness.
17 For if by the trespass of the one man death ruled as king through that one, [/b]how much more will those who receive the abundance of the undeserved kindness and of the free gift of righteousness rule as kings in life through the one person, Jesus Christ! 18 So, then, as [b]through one trespass the result to men of all sorts was condemnation, so too through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is their being declared righteous for life. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one person many will be made righteous.

AbuTwins:


Your attachment states that Yhw is the name of a place!
Shasu is a nomadic tribe!

Shasu of Yhw!

So what does that mean?

What name did Moses in the Qur'an called his God.
How come 2 prophets of Allah are named after YHWH but Muhammed has no idea who is YHWH.

Muhammad told U Elijah and John the baptists are prophets of Allah.
Elijah means My God is YHWH.

So Allah was busy calling one of his prophets 'My God is YHWH' but forgot to tell Muhammed that he's called YHWH.

YHWH is hidden in your Koran, U just dont know.
The issue is even Muhammed is also ignorant that the name YHWH exist in the Qur'an he delivered.

My question remain why did Muhammed not know the name of God which is YHWH.

Aemmyjah:

Romans 5
12. That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. 13 For sin was in the world before the Law, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the same way that Adam transgressed, who bears a resemblance to the one who was to come.
15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if by one man’s trespass many died, how much more did the undeserved kindness of God and his free gift by the undeserved kindness of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to many!
16 Also, it is not the same with the free gift as with the way things worked through the one man who sinned. For the judgment after one trespass was condemnation, but the gift after many trespasses was a declaration of righteousness.
17 For if by the trespass of the one man death ruled as king through that one, [/b]how much more will those who receive the abundance of the undeserved kindness and of the free gift of righteousness rule as kings in life through the one person, Jesus Christ! 18 So, then, as [b]through one trespass the result to men of all sorts was condemnation, so too through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is their being declared righteous for life. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one person many will be made righteous.

Regretably @Aemmyjah doesn't appreciate why @MaxInDHouse delays or refuses to answer.

Death is not synonymous with sickness, suffering, and injustice which MaxInDHouse tries to allude to.

While death can be accompanied by sickness, suffering, and perceived injustice, it is a separate concept that encompasses the end of earthly life for all living beings.

Sickness may or may not precede death in many cases, as illnesses and diseases can lead to the eventual demise of an individual. However, not all sickness results in death, as medical interventions and treatments can sometimes overcome illnesses.

Is it a contradiction that the Bible reports God's words of encouragement to the sick in

Isaiah 41:10: “So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.”

Jeremiah 30:17: “But I will restore you to health and heal your wounds,” declares the Lord.

John 14:27: “Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.


Still waiting for Maxindhouse if he hasn't become the barest minimum to tell me otherwise

Ohyoudidnt:



Regretably @Aemmyjah doesn't appreciate why @MaxInDHouse delays or refuses to answer.

Death is not synonymous with sickness, suffering, and injustice which MaxInDHouse tries to allude to.

While death can be accompanied by sickness, suffering, and perceived injustice, it is a separate concept that encompasses the end of earthly life for all living beings.

Sickness may or may not precede death in many cases, as illnesses and diseases can lead to the eventual demise of an individual. However, not all sickness results in death, as medical interventions and treatments can sometimes overcome illnesses.

Is it a contradiction that the Bible reports God's words of encouragement to the sick in

Isaiah 41:10: “So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.”

Jeremiah 30:17: “But I will restore you to health and heal your wounds,” declares the Lord.

John 14:27: “Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.


Still waiting for Maxindhouse if he hasn't become the barest minimum to tell me otherwise

The wages or end result of sin is death
All our imperfections, sickness, disabilities, failures, death, greed, etc comes from our sinful state

Ohyoudidnt:

MaxInDHouse is no longer in the house to respond? Or you cannot find the verse specifically saying suffering, sickness and death came through Adamic sin.

Please i'm really sorry for this.
I never saw your response that's why i couldn't reach out to you for further response.

Here are the verses!

That is why, just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned. Romans 5:12

In the beginning God told Adam:

"But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die" Genesis 2:17

And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ CURSED is the ground on your account. In PAIN you will eat its produce all the days of your life. It will grow thorns and thistles for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. In the SWEAT of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Genesis 3:17-19

Can you please explain what God told Adam in those verses and what mankind is experiencing today if it's not the same?

Well this is God's promise for those who accept Jesus' counsel as they are forgiven:

There will be an abundance of grain on the earth; On the top of the mountains it will overflow. His fruit will flourish as in Lebʹa·non, And in the cities people will blossom like the vegetation of the earth. Psalms 72:16

And he will give the rain for the seed you sow in the ground, and the bread that the ground produces will be abundant and rich. In that day your livestock will graze in spacious pastures. Isaiah 30:23

So from my own personal understanding God withhold good things from mankind until our sins are blotted out through the ransom sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ!

MaxInDHouse:

Please i'm really sorry for this.
I never saw your response that's why i couldn't reach out to you for further response.

Here are the verses!

That is why, just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned. Romans 5:12

In the beginning God told Adam:

"But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die" Genesis 2:17

And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ CURSED is the ground on your account. In PAIN you will eat its produce all the days of your life. It will grow thorns and thistles for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. In the SWEAT of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Genesis 3:17-19

Can you please explain what God told Adam in those verses and what mankind is experiencing today if it's not the same?

Well this is God's promise for those who accept Jesus' counsel as they are forgiven:

There will be an abundance of grain on the earth; On the top of the mountains it will overflow. His fruit will flourish as in Lebʹa·non, And in the cities people will blossom like the vegetation of the earth. Psalms 72:16

And he will give the rain for the seed you sow in the ground, and the bread that the ground produces will be abundant and rich. In that day your livestock will graze in spacious pastures. Isaiah 30:23

So from my own personal understanding God withhold good things from mankind until our sins are blotted out through the ransom sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ!

Can you concisely link all this to sickness, suffering and injustice?

Also you refer to Psalm 72:16 and directly link this to Jesus the son of Mary? Explain how this is.

Aemmyjah:


The wages or end result of sin is death
All our imperfections, sickness, disabilities, failures, death, greed, etc comes from our sinful state

Please point me to a verse that explicitly says so

Ohyoudidnt:

Can you concisely link all this to sickness, suffering and injustice?

YES!
Sicknesses, Suffering and Injustice became the inheritance of Adam's descendants after the couple were thrown outside the Garden.
God cursed the ground because of Adam's sin and ever since then it has been hard for people to live that's why some are doing everything they can to protect what they have because they're scared of loosing it to those suffering around them. Sicknesses wasn't part of God's arrangement but after Adam left the garden nourishing foods stopped growing and what grows for mankind started to make us grow weaker and weaker {Genesis 3:18} that's why mankind's lifespan began decreasing until what we have today! Genesis 5:5 compare to Genesis 25:7-8
In the garden of Eden angels were there to kill anyone who tries to hurt obedient ones but outside the garden they must not interfere as Adam and Eve have chosen to be independent of God's rule that's why there is injustice here and there without God interfering as many innocent ones are partially treated due to no one to fight for them! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

All such thing can't be if Adam and Eve never told God to step aside from being their ruler!

Ohyoudidnt:

Also you refer to Psalm 72:16 and directly link this to Jesus the son of Mary? Explain how this is.

Jesus is the appointed king who will do all these things that's why during his campaign for God's Kingdom he multiplied five bread and two fish to feed thousands to showing all these things will work!

MaxInDHouse:

YES!
Sicknesses, Suffering and Injustice became the inheritance of Adam's descendants after the couple were thrown outside the Garden.
God cursed the ground because of Adam's sin and ever since then it has been hard for people to live that's why some are doing everything they can to protect what they have because they're scared of loosing it to those suffering around them. Sicknesses wasn't part of God's arrangement but after Adam left the garden nourishing foods stopped growing and what grows for mankind started to make us grow weaker and weaker {Genesis 3:18} that's why mankind's lifespan began decreasing until what we have today! Genesis 5:5 compare to Genesis 25:7-8
In the garden of Eden angels were there to kill anyone who tries to hurt obedient ones but outside the garden they must not interfere as Adam and Eve have chosen to be independent of God's rule that's why there is injustice here and there without God interfering as many innocent ones are partially treated due to no one to fight for them! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

All such thing can't be if Adam and Eve never told God to step aside from being their ruler!

Jesus is the appointed king who will do all these things that's why during his campaign for God's Kingdom he multiplied five bread and two fish to feed thousands to showing all these things will work!

You are going to great lengths in proving a narrow view and wrong point? Do you now portray God as very cruel and harsh in action?
You mentioned Genesis 3:18 but forget 3:17
...through painful toil [b]you will eat food from it [/b]all the days of your life. Indeed if nothing was derived from it wouldn't there be injustice?

You mention sickness but share no exact scripture; why? Through earthly death isn't there a pathway back to eternal life?

The shorter lives men live compared to Adam could be mercy to not tarry at plowing the soil for food don't you think?

Don't the scripture in Ecclesiastes point at the consequences of selfish behaviour of some men? It baffles me that you generalise this.


I am a lot more confused. The Kingdom that the Psalms refer to are not yet in existence.

Psalms 72:16 speaks of the prosperity and rule of an ideal king, which in this context would be referring to Solomon or other righteous kings in Israel. The psalm is more about the ideal reign of a righteous king and his blessings on the people, rather than a specific prophecy or reference to Jesus.

Did Jesus rule the Israelites or this is something to come after many who believe in him would have already undergone discomfort and passed away?

Please let your logic make easier sense.
Thanks.

Ohyoudidnt:

You are going to great lengths in proving a narrow view and wrong point? Do you now portray God as very cruel and harsh in action?
You mentioned Genesis 3:18 but forget 3:17
...through painful toil [b]you will eat food from it [/b]all the days of your life. Indeed if nothing was derived from it wouldn't there be injustice?
You mention sickness but share no exact scripture; why? Through earthly death isn't there a pathway back to eternal life?
The shorter lives men live compared to Adam could be mercy to not tarry at plowing the soil for food don't you think?
Don't the scripture in Ecclesiastes point at the consequences of selfish behaviour of some men? It baffles me that you generalise this.
I am a lot more confused. The Kingdom that the Psalms refer to are not yet in existence.
Psalms 72:16 speaks of the prosperity and rule of an ideal king, which in this context would be referring to Solomon or other righteous kings in Israel. The psalm is more about the ideal reign of a righteous king and his blessings on the people, rather than a specific prophecy or reference to Jesus.
Did Jesus rule the Israelites or this is something to come after many who believe in him would have already undergone discomfort and passed away?
Please let your logic make easier sense.
Thanks.

When God created Adam and Eve there was no room for sickness, suffering or death as they were told:

“Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth." Genesis 1:28

Believing in Jesus is not what adherents will get the benefits now because what God promised as benefit for believing in Jesus is EVERLASTING LIFE {John 3:16} those dead among his disciples will be raised back to life when Jesus begin his rule just as he called his friends out from the grave the same thing he will do when he begin ruling the difference is that by then they will no longer grow old, get sick nor die.

As for the kings in Israel there was none who could fit in the description we heard in those verses because the promises said that there will be no sickness {Isaiah 33:24} God will swallow up death {Isaiah 25:8} the earth will be free from evildoers {Psalms 37:9-11} in fact we will remember all their activities but none will be found throughout the earth! Psalms 37:10

Can you think of any king under whose reign the Israelites experienced such things?

Well in God's kingdom there will be no evil person so angels will be on guard everywhere to police the whole earth if humans can make CCTV camera to monitor evildoers what do you expect when God wants to establish righteousness throughout the earth?
In fact angels are everywhere today but they must not intervene in whatever humans are doing to themselves that's why ritualists, armed robbers, hired killers, fraudsters are walking freely after causing lots of pain for people but when God's Kingdom begins under the reign of Christ Jesus no one will be allowed to hurt another person! Isaiah 11:9

So sicknesses, suffering and death we are seeing today is due to Adamic sin inherited by all his descendants. When God removes Adamic sin nothing of such will be here again!

@ Ohyoudidnt

Can we now compare what your Allah said about sickness, suffering and death of loved ones with what Jehovah said in the Bible?
If your Allah is TESTING it's worshipers with those things do you think any right thinking person will like to worship such a God that will start using evil things to test them?

When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. James 1:13

That's my own God for you!

Ohyoudidnt:


Please point me to a verse that explicitly says so

Romans 5:18
So, then, as through one trespass the result to men of [b]all sorts was condemnation, [/b]so too through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is their being declared righteous for life


Our inherited sin makes us imperfect
Imperfect health, mind and thinking
When you have something that seems to be condemned, it's liable to acquire many other bad things... Inherited sins makes us condemned in a sense cos we're far from oerfe

Ohyoudidnt:


Please point me to a verse that explicitly says so

Romans 5:18
So, then, as through one trespass the result to men of [b]all sorts was condemnation, [/b]so too through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is their being declared righteous for life


Our inherited sin makes us imperfect
Imperfect health, mind and thinking
When you have something that seems to be condemned, it's liable to acquire many other bad things... Inherited sins makes us condemned in a sense cos we're far from perfect

Aemmyjah:



Romans 5:18
So, then, as through one trespass the result to men of [b]all sorts was condemnation, [/b]so too through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is their being declared righteous for life


Our inherited sin makes us imperfect
Imperfect health, mind and thinking
When you have something that seems to be condemned, it's liable to acquire many other bad things... Inherited sins makes us condemned in a sense cos we're far from perfect

Romans 5:18 doesn't have the words imperfections, sickness, disabilities, failures, greed.

Why do you force them into It?

Ohyoudidnt:


Romans 5:18 doesn't have the words imperfections, sickness, disabilities, failures, greed.

Why do you force them into It?

If your common sense will help you understand what comes in our condemned state

Maybe your Allah created humans to fall sick and die

MaxInDHouse:


When God created Adam and Eve there was no room for sickness, suffering or death as they were told:

“Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth." Genesis 1:28

Believing in Jesus is not what adherents will get the benefits now because what God promised as benefit for believing in Jesus is EVERLASTING LIFE {John 3:16} those dead among his disciples will be raised back to life when Jesus begin his rule just as he called his friends out from the grave the same thing he will do when he begin ruling the difference is that by then they will no longer grow old, get sick nor die.

As for the kings in Israel there was none who could fit in the description we heard in those verses because the promises said that there will be no sickness {Isaiah 33:24} God will swallow up death {Isaiah 25:8} the earth will be free from evildoers {Psalms 37:9-11} in fact we will remember all their activities but none will be found throughout the earth! Psalms 37:10

Can you think of any king under whose reign the Israelites experienced such things?

Well in God's kingdom there will be no evil person so angels will be on guard everywhere to police the whole earth if humans can make CCTV camera to monitor evildoers what do you expect when God wants to establish righteousness throughout the earth?
In fact angels are everywhere today but they must not intervene in whatever humans are doing to themselves that's why ritualists, armed robbers, hired killers, fraudsters are walking freely after causing lots of pain for people but when God's Kingdom begins under the reign of Christ Jesus no one will be allowed to hurt another person! Isaiah 11:9

So sicknesses, suffering and death we are seeing today is due to Adamic sin inherited by all his descendants. When God removes Adamic sin nothing of such will be here again!

Still spinning an extensive and extraneous logic?

Was the kingdom Solomon spoke of not on Earth?

Does all sickness prevent being fruitful?

So the belief in Jesus by your submission is not what can bring immediate benefit? Really now. What sort of delusion will this be? Is this some sort of psychotic delusion?

Jehoshaphat and Hezekiah are remembered as kings who sought to govern with fairness, uphold moral values, and promote prosperity in their kingdoms during times of stability and growth.

Both of them were seen as fair and just rulers during periods of prosperity and stability in the kingdom.

Aemmyjah:



If your common sense will help you understand what comes in our condemned state

Maybe your Allah created humans to fall sick and die

Imperfections alone do not define a condemned state.

The he presence of sickness and disabilities is not inherent in the definition of a condemned state.

Failures alone do not encompass the entire meaning of a condemned state.

Greed too is not an inherent characteristic of a condemned state itself.

How unjust do you try to make God in punishing more likely trillions for the error of 2 persons? Is this not your bid to slander the almighty with an unjust character?

Ohyoudidnt:


Imperfections alone do not define a condemned state.

The he presence of sickness and disabilities is not inherent in the definition of a condemned state.

Failures alone do not encompass the entire meaning of a condemned state.

Greed too is not an inherent characteristic of a condemned state itself.

How unjust do you try to make God in punishing more likely trillions for the error of 2 persons? Is this not your bid to slander the almighty with an unjust character?

You're not serious
It was our first parent that sold us into sin

Emwe received death, sickness, pain a d other

Ohyoudidnt:

Still spinning an extensive and extraneous logic? Was the kingdom Solomon spoke of not on Earth? Does all sickness prevent being fruitful? So the belief in Jesus by your submission is not what can bring immediate benefit? Really now. What sort of delusion will this be? Is this some sort of psychotic delusion? Jehoshaphat and Hezekiah are remembered as kings who sought to govern with fairness, uphold moral values, and promote prosperity in their kingdoms during times of stability and growth. Both of them were seen as fair and just rulers during periods of prosperity and stability in the kingdom.

Have you heard of Paradise or Aljana?

Well that's where Jesus will rule globally under his rule will be the time when all those promises will be fulfilled.

No earthly king has ever fulfilled any of those promises even though they were good they can't cure sicknesses or raise the dead like the promised Messiah!

Aemmyjah:

You're not serious
It was our first parent that sold us into sin
Emwe received death, sickness, pain a d other

He wants to use REASONING to explain their book when it's totally impossible to do so their religion never gave room for reasonableness.

Imagine saying their Allah was using evil things to test people abeg for what reason?

Where does this then put 1Kings 4:25 and Isaiah 38:8?

Ohyoudidnt:
Where does this then put 1Kings 4:25 and Isaiah 38:8?

Judah and Israel lived in security, everyone under his own vine and under his own fig tree, from Dan to Beʹer-sheʹba, all the days of Solʹo·mon. 1King 4:25

Here I will make the declining shadow of the sun on the stairway of Aʹhaz go back ten steps.”’” So the sun went back ten steps on the stairway that it had already descended. Isaiah 38:8

Which of these two agrees with the promises of God that the Messiah will establish righteousness forever? Isaiah 9:6-7

MaxInDHouse:


Judah and Israel lived in security, everyone under his own vine and under his own fig tree, from Dan to Beʹer-sheʹba, all the days of Solʹo·mon. 1King 4:25

Here I will make the declining shadow of the sun on the stairway of Aʹhaz go back ten steps.”’” So the sun went back ten steps on the stairway that it had already descended. Isaiah 38:8

Which of these two agrees with the promises of God that the Messiah will establish righteousness forever? Isaiah 9:6-7

If the Messiah spoken of in Isaiah 9:6-7 is your Jesus please explain the emboldened?

6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.

MaxInDHouse:


Have you heard of Paradise or Aljana?

Well that's where Jesus will rule globally under his rule will be the time when all those promises will be fulfilled.

No earthly king has ever fulfilled any of those promises even though they were good they can't cure sicknesses or raise the dead like the promised Messiah!

The verses you shared didn't explicitly say sickness or is sickness now synonymous with condemned?

Ohyoudidnt:

If the Messiah spoken of in Isaiah 9:6-7 is your Jesus please explain the emboldened?
6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.

When Jesus returns to take over authority from all human rulers he will destroy them and establish his own righteous rule forever! Daniel 2:44

His disciples were confused when he didn't do that after his resurrection {Act 1:6} he made it clear to them that the warning must go round the earth for mankind in general to humbly accept his counsel and surely individuals from all over the earth will come out from their own race and become his disciples {Act 1:8} it's after this that Jesus will return to exterminate all those who refuse to accept his authority as preached and taught by his disciples! Luke 19:27

Do you get it now?
So don't think because Jesus never started ruling back then it wasn't him that Isaiah was referring to, everything must follow due process in a logical sense!