AbuTwins:


But that's the correct meaning! The Holy spirit can't interpret the Qur'an your way! It's a compound sentence which can be analysed as

1. They worshipped the Rabbi and monks instead of Allah

2. And they also worshipped Jesus....



The verse is attached again from my phone Qur'an. I know you'll rather die in ignorance than accept the truth!

Even the verses before and after that verse shows you are a liar. But Christians don't check contexts.

They just quote John 3:16 and I and the father are one without context!

Our Jesus is affecting lives and giving salvation to countless millions of people. But your Allah offers on one salvation. No where in your Quran Allah promise to save you and make you heaven bound. I challenge you to quote verses in your Quran that promise you salvation.

AbuTwins:


Give us the context of the verse!

Answer my question. I'm not a Muslim so can't help with how you interpret your Quran.

Just answer my question. If Jesus is indeed the son of God, should he be worshipped.

This is a simple Yes or No question. Use the context of your quran and give me a reply.
Should I worship Jesus if indeed he's the son of God?

SIRTee15:


Answer my question. I'm not a Muslim so can't help with how you interpret your Quran.

Just answer my question. If Jesus is indeed the son of God, should he be worshipped.

This is a simple Yes or No question. Use the context of your quran and give me a reply.
Should I worship Jesus if indeed he's the son of God?

You know you were not a Muslim before bringing the verse.
To conclude on this you need to show us the context of that verse!

I brought the contextual meaning and you said it's the Tafsir.
So bring your own contextual meaning now!

Ken4Christ:


Our Jesus is affecting lives and giving salvation to countless millions of people. But your Allah offers on one salvation. No where in your Quran Allah promise to save you and make you heaven bound. I challenge you to quote verses in your Quran that promise you salvation.

Stop the lies!
The Roman Jesus is not saving any lives!
Christianity is melting away especially in Europe and the west.

Many are embracing Islam and few atheism mostly due to the mysticism of the dubious trinity from the councils from Nicaea!

Salvation is only by the believe in Allah and following the Prophet Muhammad in Islam as he should be followed.
This is the same thing Jesus preached to the children of Israel!

AbuTwins:


You know you were not a Muslim before bringing the verse.
To conclude on this you need to show us the context of that verse!

I brought the contextual meaning and you said it's the Tafsir.
So bring your own contextual meaning now!

Answer my question. I'm looking for a religion to follow and needs clarification.
I don't care about your books because I don't know what's in it.

If indeed Jesus is the son of God, is it right for me to worship him?

AbuTwins:


Stop the lies!
The Roman Jesus is not saving any lives!
Christianity is melting away especially in Europe and the west.

Many are embracing Islam and few atheism mostly due to the mysticism of the dubious trinity from the councils from Nicaea!

Salvation is only by the believe in Allah and following the Prophet Muhammad in Islam as he should be followed.
This is the same thing Jesus preached to the children of Israel!

Islam in the west is garbage in garbage out. The same number that enters is the same number that exits every year.

Communism once was the fastest growing political movement in the world until it got bursted.
Christianity in the west was used as a tool of white supremacy and when the religion couldn't be used as such anymore, the church in the west outlived it's usefulness.

Now they will learn the true unbiased detribalised Jesus Christ of the bible.
A revival is coming soon to the west.

SIRTee15:


Islam in the west is garbage in garbage out. The same number that enters is the same number that exits every year.

Communism once was the fastest growing political movement in the world until it got bursted.
Christianity in the west was used as a tool of white supremacy and when the religion couldn't be used as such anymore, the church in the west outlived it's usefulness.

Now they will learn the true unbiased detribalised Jesus Christ of the bible.
A revival is coming soon to the west.

When it comes then you can talk!
Make you stop telling lies sha!

SIRTee15:


Answer my question. I'm looking for a religion to follow and needs clarification.
I don't care about your books because I don't know what's in it.

If indeed Jesus is the son of God, is it right for me to worship him?

If God get son then you'll still worship God!

The son of God can't be greater than his father!

As a son, are you greater than your father?

AbuTwins:


If God get son then you'll still worship God!

The son of God can't be greater than his father!

As a son, are you greater than your father?

U didn't answer my question?
The question is not if I will still worship God.

The question is it right for me to worship the son of God?
If there's actually a son of God, am I right to worship him?
That's my question.

AbuTwins:


Stop the lies!
The Roman Jesus is not saving any lives!
Christianity is melting away especially in Europe and the west.

Many are embracing Islam and few atheism mostly due to the mysticism of the dubious trinity from the councils from Nicaea!

Salvation is only by the believe in Allah and following the Prophet Muhammad in Islam as he should be followed.
This is the same thing Jesus preached to the children of Israel!

But Mohammed confessed that he is uncertain of his destiny and also the destiny of his followers - Sura 46:9.

Please, use your brain. Follow who know road - Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life. No other name given under heaven by which we shall be saved except the name of Jesus.

Allah on the contrary promise you hell. Go and find out. He said that you will all go to hell first after which he will deliver the righteous one from it. This is dangerous play. In this age of enlightenment. Please, think well.

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But Mohammed confessed that he is uncertain of his destiny and also the destiny of his followers - Sura 46:9.

Jesus too said a similar thing that he can do nothing of himself. He does as he hear! If he doesn't hear anything he is helpless!

Please, use your brain. Follow who know road - Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life. No other name given under heaven by which we shall be saved except the name of Jesus.

Jesus that couldn't save himself!

Allah on the contrary promise you hell. Go and find out. He said that you will all go to hell first after which he will deliver the righteous one from it. This is dangerous play. In this age of enlightenment. Please, think well.

Allah promised humans and Jins hell and Paradise! You should choose wisely!

Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.

Verily, those who believe [in the Oneness of Allah, and in His Messenger Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) including all obligations ordered by Islam] and do righteous good deeds, they are the best of creatures. Their reward with their Lord is 'Adn (Eden) Paradise (Gardens of Eternity), underneath which rivers flow, they will abide therein forever, Allah Well-Pleased with them, and they with Him. That is for him who fears his Lord. Qur'an 98:5-8

You don't need to falsify our Books to preach Christianity! Ken4Christ

SIRTee15:


U didn't answer my question?
The question is not if I will still worship God.

The question is it right for me to worship the son of God?
If there's actually a son of God, am I right to worship him?
That's my question.

You can't worship him since he still has a father!
You may worship him when his father dies and the son takes over as heir!

AbuTwins:


You can't worship him since he still has a father!
You may worship him when his father dies and the son takes over as heir!

So that means this surah in the Qur'an is an error?
U think Muhammed made a mistake including this verse in the Qur'an.
because I thought the Quran is perfect n now this verse is contradicting your statement.

SIRTee15:


So that means this surah in the Qur'an is an error?
U think Muhammed made a mistake including this verse in the Qur'an.
because I thought the Quran is perfect n now this verse is contradicting your statement.

I can see (But there is no son) in the translations!

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Winning arguments will not save you. You know that Mohammed is not a Prophet from God. And the God you call Allah is not the true God. This you know.

There can't be two divine Gods. One must be false. You know that my God who is the Father of my Lord Jesus is the true God.

Don't try to win argument and lose your soul. Jesus is the only way to the true God. And your ticket to heaven is not based on your good works. Just believe in Jesus. He is the Saviour of the world. Anyone who rejects Jesus as his Saviour is damned. The choice is yours.

AbuTwins:


I can see (But there is no son) in the translations!

Everybody knows your Allah doesn't have a son. I don't know why you bringing it up.


You said even if Allah has a son, U would not worship the son. That's what U said.

So is surah 43.81 an error. Is it a mistake in the Qur'an.

Did Muhammed commit a blunder by putting surah 43.81 in the Qur'an.
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Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “If the Most Compassionate ˹really˺ had offspring, I would be the first worshipper.”[/s]

SIRTee15:


Everybody knows your Allah doesn't have a son. I don't know why you bringing it up.


You said even if Allah has a son, U would not worship the son. That's what U said.

So is surah 43.81 an error. Is it a mistake in the Qur'an.

Did Muhammed commit a blunder by putting surah 43.81 in the Qur'an.
[s]
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “If the Most Compassionate ˹really˺ had offspring, I would be the first worshipper.”[/s]

Tell us the context!
A verse does not stand on its own!

Let's know where it's coming from and where it is going!

Ken4Christ:


Winning arguments will not save you. You know that Mohammed is not a Prophet from God. And the God you call Allah is not the true God. This you know.

There can't be two divine Gods. One must be false. You know that my God who is the Father of my Lord Jesus is the true God.

Don't try to win argument and lose your soul. Jesus is the only way to the true God. And your ticket to heaven is not based on your good works. Just believe in Jesus. He is the Saviour of the world. Anyone who rejects Jesus as his Saviour is damned. The choice is yours.

Who is trying to win arguments?
The Biblical lies is being exposed daily and you think I have time trying to win arguments?

You're the one telling lies just to preach Christ!

And that's the way the bible is structured!

Demonise everyone and make only Jesus look perfect!

AbuTwins:


Tell us the context!
A verse does not stand on its own!

Let's know where it's coming from and where it is going!

Muhammed was telling the Najran Christians that his refusal to worship Jesus is not due to pride or arrogance but because Allah doesn't have son.

He then said if he's certain Allah has a son, he will be the first to worship him even ahead of Christians.

That's the context.

Now did Muhammed make a mistake adding that verse to the Qur'an. Was it a false revelation that couldn't have come from Allah?

AbuTwins:


Tell us the context!
A verse does not stand on its own!

Let's know where it's coming from and where it is going!

So what Muhammed is saying is that worshiping Jesus as son of God is NOT a theological fallacy, it's not a doctrinal problem, it's not a divinity error neither is it a monotheistic challenge.

Rather worshipping the son of God is an existential problem. Such person does not exist according to Muhammed.

If he actually exist, there's absolutely nothing wrong worshipping him.

That's what Muhammed is saying.

The question is do U agree with him. Is surah 43.81 a mistake.

SIRTee15:


So what Muhammed is saying is that worshiping Jesus as son of God is NOT a theological fallacy, it's not a doctrinal problem, it's not a divinity error neither is it a monotheistic challenge.

Rather worshipping the son of God is an existential problem. Such person does not exist according to Muhammed.

If he actually exist, there's absolutely nothing wrong worshipping him.

That's what Muhammed is saying.

The question is do U agree with him. Is surah 43.81 a mistake.

Now I know you don't know the meaning of context!

How can one verse be a mistake?

Can a verse stand in isolation?

SIRTee15:


Muhammed was telling the Najran Christians that his refusal to worship Jesus is not due to pride or arrogance but because Allah doesn't have son.

He then said if he's certain Allah has a son, he will be the first to worship him even ahead of Christians.

That's the context.

Now did Muhammed make a mistake adding that verse to the Qur'an. Was it a false revelation that couldn't have come from Allah?

Where's this context from?

Define context?

AbuTwins:
One of the flimsy reasons why Jesus is called God today was because people pay homage to him as a Prophet and man of God!

Here are some of the verses:

Matthew 28:9
And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him (prosekynēsan).

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him(prosekynēsan), saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Again what does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 2:11
And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him (prosekynēsan). Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.

Luke 24.52
And the disciples worshiped him (prosekynēsan) and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The man bowed (prosekynēsan) in front of Jesus and said, "I believe, Lord." John 9:38

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

It seems the Bible translators had been toying with many brains for long!

Finally when Jesus worshipped the father in Matthew 26:39, they never used worshipped even when it is clear that he was earnestly praying to someone greater than him!

Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when YAHSHUA came.
The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and thrust my hands into his side, I will not believe.
And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came YAHSHUA, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, PEACE BE UNTO YOU.
Then saith He to Thomas, REACH HITHER THY FINGER, AND BEHOLD MY HANDS; AND REACH HITHER THY HAND, AND THRUST IT INTO MY SIDE:AND BE NOT FAITHLESS, BUT BELIEVING.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20:24-29 *I leave you with the 29th verse*

AbuTwins:
One of the flimsy reasons why Jesus is called God today was because people pay homage to him as a Prophet and man of God!

Here are some of the verses:

Matthew 28:9
And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him (prosekynēsan).

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him(prosekynēsan), saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Again what does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 2:11
And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him (prosekynēsan). Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.

Luke 24.52
And the disciples worshiped him (prosekynēsan) and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The man bowed (prosekynēsan) in front of Jesus and said, "I believe, Lord." John 9:38

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

It seems the Bible translators had been toying with many brains for long!

Finally when Jesus worshipped the father in Matthew 26:39, they never used worshipped even when it is clear that he was earnestly praying to someone greater than him!

Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

While the Pharisees were gathered together, YAHSHUA asked them,
Saying, WHAT THINK YE OF CHRIST? WHOSE SON IS HE? They say unto him, The Son of David.
He saith unto them, HOW THEN DOTH DAVID IN SPIRIT CALL HIM Lord, SAYING,
THE LORD SAID UNTO MY Lord, SIT THOU ON MY RIGHT HAND, TILL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL?
IF DAVID THEN CALLED HIM, Lord, HOW IS HE HIS SON?
Matthew 22: 41- 46 *I leave you with the 46th verse*

AbuTwins:
One of the flimsy reasons why Jesus is called God today was because people pay homage to him as a Prophet and man of God!

Here are some of the verses:

Matthew 28:9
And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him (prosekynēsan).

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him(prosekynēsan), saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Again what does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 2:11
And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him (prosekynēsan). Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.

Luke 24.52
And the disciples worshiped him (prosekynēsan) and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The man bowed (prosekynēsan) in front of Jesus and said, "I believe, Lord." John 9:38

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

It seems the Bible translators had been toying with many brains for long!

Finally when Jesus worshipped the father in Matthew 26:39, they never used worshipped even when it is clear that he was earnestly praying to someone greater than him!

Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

When YAHSHUA came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, He asked his disciples, saying, WHOM DO MEN SAY THAT I THE SON OF MAN AM?
And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or the prophets.
He saith unto them, BUT WHOM SAY YE THAT I AM?
And Simon Peter answered and said , Thou art THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD.
Matthew 16: 13-17 * I leave you with the 17th verse*

itzadorable333:

When YAHSHUA came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, He asked his disciples, saying, WHOM DO MEN SAY THAT I THE SON OF MAN AM?
And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or the prophets.
He saith unto them, BUT WHOM SAY YE THAT I AM?
And Simon Peter answered and said , Thou art THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD.
Matthew 16: 13-17 * I leave you with the 17th verse*

I will leave you with this too from same Matthew 5:9!

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.

So peacemaker is a son of God!
God is living!

itzadorable333:

While the Pharisees were gathered together, YAHSHUA asked them,
Saying, WHAT THINK YE OF CHRIST? WHOSE SON IS HE? They say unto him, The Son of David.
He saith unto them, HOW THEN DOTH DAVID IN SPIRIT CALL HIM Lord, SAYING,
THE LORD SAID UNTO MY Lord, SIT THOU ON MY RIGHT HAND, TILL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL?
IF DAVID THEN CALLED HIM, Lord, HOW IS HE HIS SON?
Matthew 22: 41- 46 *I leave you with the 46th verse*

You are still a rookie!

Psalm 110:1
Of David. A psalm. The LORD (YAHWEH) says to my lord (ADONI): “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.

LORD = YAHWEH is God Almighty!
lord = ADONI is a human being not God!
That's the way it is used in the Bible!

The writers of the book of Matthew wanted to make Jesus God by but they failed by changing that Psalm verse!

itzadorable333:

But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when YAHSHUA came.
The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and thrust my hands into his side, I will not believe.
And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came YAHSHUA, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, PEACE BE UNTO YOU.
Then saith He to Thomas, REACH HITHER THY FINGER, AND BEHOLD MY HANDS; AND REACH HITHER THY HAND, AND THRUST IT INTO MY SIDE:AND BE NOT FAITHLESS, BUT BELIEVING.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20:24-29 *I leave you with the 29th verse*

That verse is simple!
As you are if a snake runs over your leg you will shout in surprise "Jesus"!
Thomas's surprise shout was My Lord and my God!

Jesus has a God!
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. John 20:17

Worship Jesus's God not Jesus!

AbuTwins:


That verse is simple!
As you are if a snake runs over your leg you will shout in surprise "Jesus"!
Thomas's surprise shout was My Lord and my God!

Jesus has a God!
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. John 20:17

Worship Jesus's God not Jesus!

'the verse is simple' as you claim, yet you can't understand it. Is it the language or the semantics or the spirit of the word that is your confusion?
Well, I suggest you read it again. You 'may' understand this time.

AbuTwins:


You are still a rookie!

Psalm 110:1
Of David. A psalm. The LORD (YAHWEH) says to my lord (ADONI): “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.

LORD = YAHWEH is God Almighty!
lord = ADONI is a human being not God!
That's the way it is used in the Bible!

The writers of the book of Matthew wanted to make Jesus God by but they failed by changing that Psalm verse!

Haha you are too dull. Even a sound 7 year old will understand the passage in its simple form. U have comprehension challenge. If you can't understand simple semantics, vocabulary and lexis of a written text how then can you arrive at getting the real meaning of the words?
Bro. Go home, work on your reading comprehension first otherwise you'll keep embarrassing yourself every time, everywhere.
Or better still ask THE LORD to open your eyes so you can perceive what you see written plainly before you. For currently, you are blind. Am sorry if you feel offended. But it is what it is. Truth hurts, but then Lie's worse.

AbuTwins:


I will leave you with this too from same Matthew 5:9!

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.

So peacemaker is a son of God!
God is living!

Haha another one... I mean the light is on buh no one's home. Bro I'm getting convinced that the basic problem here for you is English reading. You really need to work on your reading, or else no hope o...
English language written in plain simple words beats you? Sorry sha.
I can help you though, if you desire.

itzadorable333:

Haha another one... I mean the light is on buh no one's home. Bro I'm getting convinced that the basic problem here for you is English reading. You really need to work on your reading, or else no hope o...
English language written in plain simple words beats you? Sorry sha.
I can help you though, if you desire.

Help yourself!
Na you no understand English!