MaxInDHouse:
Sacrifices are made by volunteers not imposed!
So Jesus offered himself what his father did was to release His son to take up the role whereas it was thrown to all the angels in heaven:

Then I heard the voice of Jehovah saying: “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” And I said: “Here I am! Send me!” Isaiah 6:8

The above actually happened in heaven when all the angels (loyal spirit sons of God) heard what is involved to redeem mankind then the one who responded happens to be God's only begotten Son {Luke 4:16-21} the woman that was mentioned at Genesis 3:15 isn't Eve but the organization of loyal spirit sons of God in heaven, one of them must VOLUNTEER to come and lay down his life as a perfect human so that his sinless body and blood will wipe away mankind's sin {Revelations 12:1-2} none of the angels was willing except the only person who was with God during creation {Proverbs 8:22-30} he was willing to do this because mankind was the part he love most out of all the things God used him to create! Proverbs 8:31 compare to Colossians 1:15-16

That's why God swore in His anger that whoever rejects Jesus will never see His face of approval! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

So JEHOVAH God didn't sacrifice His son rather it was Jesus who volunteered to offer himself as the perfect human being whose blood will redeem mankind that's why he could say:

"This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my life, so that I may receive it again" John 10:17

As the only begotten Son of God he was elevated to a lofty position so that at the name he bear (with that body which he used for the sacrifice) every knee must bow! Philippians 2:8-11

AbuTwins:

The context of Isaiah 6 shows no Jesus but Isaiah's commission:
6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”
8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”
And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”
9 He said, “Go and tell this people:
“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”
11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?”
All these are mere theories from the Governing Council of Jehovah witnesses in USA. They are usual false foretelling that do not apply!
Those verses were never about Jesus but can be related more to Muhammad !
Jesus died on the cross unlike Moses! Also Moses was not to save people with his blood! Moses married and commanded a nation like Muhammad! They were both involved in many Physical wars! Moses and Muhammad were raised by other than their parents!
It's the same thing! John 3:16 God gave him to be sacrificed! Don't lie grandpa!
Jesus supports murder!
Which knee dey bow? And why are the words in bracket?

MaxInDHouse:


Do you believe Isaiah?
How come your religion failed woefully to make peace reign among adherents nah? Isaiah 2:4

AbuTwins:

Isaiah may have been a Prophet! But he wasn't mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah as far as I know! Even among the disciples there was no peace after Jesus!

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is according to your Arab book shey? Perhaps they were fighting against one another to defend their countries like Muslims does!

AbuTwins:

Look into your corrupted scripture! Paul was accusing Cephas and others of hypocrisy!

MaxInDHouse:

So if Akeem confront Maliq for what the prophet taught them regarding love it means there's trouble among adherents?

Guy, you don't have to bury your head just for supporting something that's false.

Paul confronted Peter for pretending before fellow Jewish disciples that he doesn't use to eat with gentile disciples that's not hypocrisy rather fear of men the same thing he did when he was faced with the choice of declaring himself a disciple of Jesus.

So that totally differs from Muslims picking up weapons against fellow Muslims and trashing whatever their Allah says about love among believers.

There's nothing as in absolutely nothing that can make real believers pick up weapons against one another that's the message of the Bible from Genesis to Revelations.

If you read where some pick up weapons against others in our book it's not against fellow believers it's either some have turned their backs on the word of our God or fighting against unbelievers which still boils down to the same point that believers must never raise weapons against themselves.

That's where your Allah failed woefully claiming it's the same God as Jehovah in the Bible but by the activities of its worshipers it's obvious your Allah is FAKE! Luke 7:35

From now i will stop responding to your post at least i've born thorough witness to your that the Bible God is not the same as your God now you're free to continue if your conscience allows you to worship a false God.

Thanks for your time and may you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


Do you believe Isaiah?
How come your religion failed woefully to make peace reign among adherents nah? Isaiah 2:4

AbuTwins:


The context of Isaiah 6 shows no Jesus but Isaiah's commission:

6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”

8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”

And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

9 He said, “Go and tell this people:

“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”

11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?”

All these are mere theories from the Governing Council of Jehovah witnesses in USA. They are usual false foretelling that do not apply!


Those verses were never about Jesus but can be related more to Muhammad !
Jesus died on the cross unlike Moses! Also Moses was not to save people with his blood! Moses married and commanded a nation like Muhammad! They were both involved in many Physical wars! Moses and Muhammad were raised by other than their parents!

It's the same thing! John 3:16 God gave him to be sacrificed! Don't lie grandpa!

Jesus supports murder!

Which knee dey bow? And why are the words in bracket?

MightySparrow:



COMPARE THIS

Isa.6.4 - And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Isa.6.8 - Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
Isa.6.9 - And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
Isa.6.10 - Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.


AND THIS


John.12.39 - Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John.12.40 - He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
John.12.41 - These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.



The portion maximumSide qouted is talking about whom?

Why don't you stay with your Quran?

MightySparrow:


This Abu, I think is another Antichristian. He is a Muslim thinking like Mohammed, Ahmed Deedat , Zakir Naik, Shabby Ali etc. He thinks he is a Bible scholar.

Anytime he brings up a topic, he shows abysmal ignorance of the knowledge of the Bible and interpretation.

AbuTwins:


I am not a Bible scholar! But i will burst your Bible interpretations when you lie!

I am a Bible interpretation burster!

AbuTwins:


I have read the context from Isaiah 6: 1-11as pasted below and i didn't see Jesus at all.
You have to read it with a trinitarian mindset to see Jesus therein!

More so Max believes it was an angel while you believe it was Jesus there and you make it seem like you support him while you are against him in reality! Hypocrisy!

Isaiah’s Commission
6 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3 And they were calling to one another:

“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory.”

4 At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke.

5 “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”

8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”

And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

9 He said, “Go and tell this people:

“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.[a]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”

11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?”

And he answered:

“Until the cities lie ruined
and without inhabitant,
until the houses are left deserted
and the fields ruined and ravaged,


I am also with the Qur'an!
When you guys posts rubbish about Islam do you leave your Bible?
.............................................................
Are you perturbed?
Stay your lane and do as if you no see me!

MightySparrow:



You only hammer on Isaiah 6:8. - 11. Why are running away from the other part of the Bible that gives the interpretation? Do you want to rewrite the Bible for us as your prophet rewrote Jewish scriptures and history?

MightySparrow:


You show more of ignorance than knowledge. How can you burst something you know nothing about?

AbuTwins:


I am not a Bible scholar! But i will burst your Bible interpretations when you lie!

I am a Bible interpretation burster!

AbuTwins:


I think i am exposing the hidden deceits in Christianity!

Have you read my newest thread about Paul's lie and his accusation of Peter and some other apostles of hypocrisy?

Go and read it as everyone is running away from it.

AbuTwins:


I quoted Isaiah 6:1-11 above and told you to show me Max's angel Jesus and your own Son of God Jesus therein!

AbuTwins:


I have read the context from Isaiah 6: 1-11as pasted below and i didn't see Jesus at all.
You have to read it with a trinitarian mindset to see Jesus therein!

More so Max believes it was an angel while you believe it was Jesus there and you make it seem like you support him while you are against him in reality! Hypocrisy!

Isaiah’s Commission
6 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3 And they were calling to one another:

“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory.”

4 At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke.

5 “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”

8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”

And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

9 He said, “Go and tell this people:

“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.[a]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”

11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?”

And he answered:

“Until the cities lie ruined
and without inhabitant,
until the houses are left deserted
and the fields ruined and ravaged,


I am also with the Qur'an!
When you guys posts rubbish about Islam do you leave your Bible?
.............................................................
Are you perturbed?
Stay your lane and do as if you no see me!

MightySparrow:


You should be honest in your busting.
If you can't see the correlation between the two passengers, you choose to be denying the obvious.

Are you trying to rewrite our Bible for us?

MightySparrow:



I have shown you already. If he called Jesus and angel and you call Him a prophet and I call Him a Son.

Are we not referring to the same person? Jesus.

Now t drew your attention to the writing of John, who was a part of Jesus student, a disciple, whom Jesus taught directly.

You feel Max, Mohammed or any reporter has better authority than his?

In your busting, be honest.

MightySparrow:



Note the bolded. You are thinking wrongly.
The Bible from Genesis to Revelation is a single thought. If you just picked somebody's writing or a part of it, you will be enjoying confusing yourself.

Can you qoute an ayat of the Quran that encourages criticizing the Bible? Just one ayat.

AbuTwins:


No!

Isaiah didn't mention he saw Jesus!
I'm only interpreting your Bible without a trinitarian mindset just like the Jews would!

AbuTwins:


Can you also quote one Bible verse that specifically mentions criticising the Qur'an and Muslims?

What Allah emphasizes in the Qur'an is to encourage one another in acts of righteousness and to be truthful!

And it would be unrighteous for me to see evil and not warn people from it!

MightySparrow:



1. We are saying the same thing. Your Quran asked you to ask a Jew or a Christian ( Max or me or any other Christian) to explain what you don't know. Today, some of you Muslims go out of your god's and prophet's commandments and be arguing with us. Are you faithful to your god and prophet?

2. The Bible is a complete book and didn't have anything to do with Mohammed. There is no single verse of the Bible that refers to Mohammed. Mohammed came about 700 years after Jesus, after all the apostles have died, the Bible being completed about 450 years and came to bring confusion.

3.In the standard of the Bible, Mohammed and his Jubril are cursed persons.


Gal.1.8 - But though we, or an angel (Islamic Jubril) from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal.1.9 - As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

MightySparrow:


Do you want to rewrite the Bible?
What I pointed to you is all from the Bible not ax's idea or Mohammed's .
Bible!
Bible!!

John was with Jesus. He saw Him face to face.
He learned at Jesus's feet. You are here over 2000 year misinterpreting the Bible to suit your Islamic confusion. The same your prophet did almost 700 years after Jesus Christ.
Are you honest at all?

MightySparrow:


Tell us how the Quran was compiled and edited. Let us learn about the corrections if Mohammed. How many versions of Quran are available which is authentic?
Tell us about the Quran.

AbuTwins:


This is false! This is what you do with your Bible. You cherry pick verses that suits you without being holistic!


Of course the injeel and Torah did mention Muhammad in some form. But we know clear that the Torah and Injeel are lost now. What is repackaged as the Torah and Injeel or Bible is a fluke!
Modern scholarship makes us know that the gospels were most likely not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John! And there are many expositions by non-Muslim scholarship!


There was no mention of Muhammad or the Qur'an in the new testament by name!

Paul wrote letters to the churches he created and it became your scriptures. You now use that letter here against Islam!

When you say the standard of the Bible the standard is actually Paul's. Even this same verse affects Paul himself. He met the same Satan and wrote over half of your New testament!

Paul even accused Peter and others of hypocrisy!

MightySparrow:


Clap for yourself,


1Cor.1.1 - Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
1Cor.1.2 - Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

For whom is Paul's Epistles?

Mohammed is an impostor. A fraudphet
He has nothing to correct in Christianity.

If you can deny what is clear from the Bible and esteem what is Of course the injeel and Torah did mention Muhammad in some form .
Where is your honesty?

Paul was a servant of Jesus commissioned by Jesus Himself. He had an encounter with Jesus in the presence of witnesses, so was Moses.

Who are the witnesses of Mohammed's encounter with which Allah?