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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Lexusgs430: 12:13am On May 14 |
jedisco: Exactly, we are saying the same thing, but in different languages......... I would happily fall within that grey area........ đ€Łđ |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Lexusgs430: 12:14am On May 14 |
Zahra29: I see you truly love the tories...... đ€Łđ |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by jedisco(m): 12:23am On May 14 |
Zahra29: Attract doctors and nurses to the extent where 52% of new doctors into the system in 2022 were trained abroad and many of the local grads are in turn moving abroad? Even the NHS leaders agree there is a staffing crises. jedisco: Like I stated in my quoted post above, I appreciate the system of care delivery here but also well aware of its wider impact and reasons why its under pressure. Every healthcare system has its drawbacks and one needs to understand these to make improvements. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:28am On May 14 |
Lexusgs430: Lol, I support some of their policies such as their viewpoint on gender issues, but anything public spending/NHS and yeh, no love lost there |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by jedisco(m): 12:29am On May 14 |
Lexusgs430: Hehe |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:33am On May 14 |
jedisco: Not really a crisis because at least there are doctors and nurses from many countries queuing up to work in the NHS. Your concern should be directed at the huge care gaps these professionals are leaving behind in their home countries, where even newly trained doctors and nurses are looking to japa at the earliest opportunity. I agree with the bolded, but the solution is not to privatise the NHS. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by jedisco(m): 1:17am On May 14 |
Zahra29: It's the recognition of this crises that has brought about the NHS longterm workforce plan which among other aims to double the number of local med grads by 2031. Funding this is another issue. jedisco: Exactly part of the reason I wrote the quoted post above. Free healthcare has to be met with the realisation that expectation and 'misuse' would ballon with time. Hence and if there is no equivalent increase in funding and workforce improvement, problems would occur. The inability to envisage and address this is the reason why the NHS is the political talking point today. The altruistic sounding free care has also caused significant drain of human capital from the outer world. Which is also something the govt and WHO recognise and seek to regulate. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lavida001: 2:19am On May 14 |
Zahra29: Nigeria where nepa can take light or mikano breakdown while surgery is ongoing. đ 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lavida001: 2:19am On May 14 |
ehizario2012:Ancient of days I greet you. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lavida001: 2:47am On May 14 |
Zahra29: Did you just say âJust because they pay IHs feeâ Do you think that money is easy to come by? 3 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lavida001: 2:57am On May 14 |
jedisco: I have a question. How do we replicate this Youna brilliant insights in Nigeria. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Lexusgs430: 4:41am On May 14 |
lavida001: It starts from the government.... But a government that cannot supply pipe - borne water, can NEVER offer free healthcare services for all....... The dynamics are too complicated for them.. ...... If it's how to steal public funds or rig elections, that's their existence of living........ |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Jamesclooney: 7:10am On May 14 |
Viruses: Just to answer your question, yes nothing was done from 2pm to 10pm. All I was given was a form, I filled it and placed it back in stack of other forms. God save you, if you canât articulate your issue properly on paper. Iâm not a medical professional, but common sense told me that my case, alongside others in serious condition should have been attended to in less than 8 to 10 hrs it took. This was before I saw the article from Daily mail about the 250 needless deaths A WEEK! Let that sink in. Thatâs some 3rd world stats. Lastly, I know 100% for a fact, I would have received better care from my medical provider in Nigeria. I was employed by a company that offered me one of the best HMO cover. Didnât have to pay shi shi out of pocket, and thatâs the point jedisco makes about US healthcare. In the UK, youâre working, heavily taxed and now you guys are saying I should add private insurance on top. Even that will not save you in an emergency from âwarzoneâ like care. Read Piers Morganâs motherâs story. I rest my case. https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/piers-morgan-slams-degrading-health-32048187.amp 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by kwakudtraveller(m): 9:17am On May 14 |
Jamesclooney:Bro, I truly empathise with you. Having to wait that long to be treated must have really upset you, and rightfully so, and I know that Africans typically do not go to the hospital unless they believe that itâs a serious issue.  It was on this same thread that I read about someone having gastric cancer, and they kept telling them to go home because they didnât conduct proper checks until it was too late, and they ended up in hospice. A friend had partial stroke and he was seen almost immediately by the nurses but he still had to wait close to 4 hours to be seen by a doctor. How is that person supposed to yell and demand that he be attended to immediately by a Doctor? When even the Doctor is probably exhausted from seeing hundreds of people in a short amount of time. I think, in general, the NHS has a lot of misplaced priorities. I see them hiring for a lot of mid-level roles that they do not need, and a lot of these managerial staff have duplicate roles. They need more skilled medical staff with better pay and not some of these new roles that have yet to add any value to the NHS. A major audit needs to be done at each trust so they can get their shit together. 5 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by kwakudtraveller(m): 9:22am On May 14 |
Zahra29:What if they truly need it? Or what if they have a low pain threshold? Have you actually heard of anyone demanding extra care because they paid their IHS fee, or are you basing it on an assumption? 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 9:48am On May 14 |
lavida001: Smh...If the healthcare is so great, not sure why every politician or rich man flies abroad for treatment at the slightest ailment. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 9:50am On May 14 |
kwakudtraveller: Completely agree with the bolded. I mentioned in an earlier post that there is a lot of waste in the NHS - bloated managerial and admin workforce and extravagant contracts to mention a few. I really hope such an audit and the corresponding cutbacks can be implemented. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 9:59am On May 14 |
kwakudtraveller: Everyone who attends A&E must truly need it and many would have a low pain threshold. However would you rather a stroke patient or another urgent condition be put on hold to treat someone with a low risk ankle sprain? As a PP said, it's not first come first served. People need to manage their expectations. And yes, I'm speaking from experience. I have heard several people discuss on how they have the right to a full MOT on demand because they've paid for the IHS and should use it, and advise how to fake symptoms so they are given the tests. I had to caution that that's not what the NHS is for - it can't cater to everyone who wants a full body check (unless you are in an identified risk group) because they heard so and so dropped dead unexpectedly. That's what private checkups are for. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Jamesclooney: 11:20am On May 14 |
kwakudtraveller: Thank you for your understanding and empathetic comment. Left to others, we should wait hours on end without saying pim, even though itâs a huge culture shock for us (similar to paying for ambulance service in the USA). Funny enough, after the review/triage, I was admitted and referred. And the situation was âso seriousâ the doctors refused me going home without signing waivers. Then an emergency surgery was scheduled. Thatâs to say, my case wasnât minor as some are inferring with sprained ankle etc. It was a serious and urgent medical situation.So many horror stories abound, I guess I should count myself lucky. To those comparing with Nigerian healthcare, two truths can co-exist. I personally know people whoâve grown tired of waiting for the NHS and found alternatives, either private care or abroad, from dental care to fertility treatments. If thatâs not a failing system, I donât know what is. And yes, thereâs a lot of waste and inefficiency in the process. So many people running around, pushing paper, wasting time. The system is currently failing a lot of people, and as some immigrants are now discoveringâŠall that glitters is not gold. The NHS isnât the el dorado some people think it is. Same way the Nigerian healthcare system is not reduced to Mikano generator breaking down during surgery or 3rd highest maternal death etc. 5 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by babajeje123(m): 11:56am On May 14 |
https://www.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/may/14/no-evidence-foreign-students-abusing-uk-graduate-visas-review This looks so good 6 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by directonpc(m): 11:58am On May 14 |
Is renting a flat in the UK really this hard or I'm doing something wrong? First, you search for a house, do a viewing, and get an "Unfortunately the landlord is going with another tenant" like say na job rejection mail. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Thewritingnerd(f): 11:59am On May 14 |
Truly experience is the best teacher because Iâve seen a patient who had to wait 53 weeks to get surgery, only for them to come in on said day, starve for more than 12 hours, and have the surgeon call in in the evening to say her surgery has to unfortunately be canceled because of unexpected complications with the ongoing one. After waiting for a whole 53 weeks! đ« What people who parrot this âfree healthcareâ thing donât mention is that your US employment can also come with healthcare insurance. Theyâll yap about taxes too like you donât already pay cut-throat tax here in the UK. Theyâll yap about gun violence but guess who UK tabloids are disrespectfully calling âsword boyâ? When you weigh the pros and cons, it DOESNâT balance out. It very gently tilts towards one end. People only argue an obvious advantage when they want to feed themselves copium because they canât do much to change where life has put them. đ¶ Zahra29: 3 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by victorVIC1(m): 12:27pm On May 14 |
Please I'm about to initiate PoF for my kids but need clarification on the calculations. My program started September last year and will be ending this September. When calculating their PoF, will I compute for 9 months or just the remaining months to the end of my program? Then also, should the PoF be in my account or my wife's account? Please note my wife is also here in UK |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Thewritingnerd(f): 12:30pm On May 14 |
Yes, thereâs a waiting list for even cancer patients. Spanning as long as 44 weeks. Zahra29: 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:32pm On May 14 |
Thewritingnerd: That's certainly not the case anywhere I've seen or heard in the UK, but you're entitled to think what you think. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by dupyshoo: 12:32pm On May 14 |
I am not going to argue about NHS as we all know that the burden on NHS is so much. There are loads of issues with the system. However, regarding private health care, the option is available in the UK too and employers tend to cover private care in the UK. For example, anytime my mum comes to the UK, she sees various consultants within a short period but we have to pay. Specifically, she saw 2 different consultants and she also did MRI all within a week. So, if you are willing to pay, you can get things done quickly too here in the UK. Thewritingnerd: 3 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:33pm On May 14 |
Thewritingnerd: Or perhaps some people are happy where "life has put them" and not running from place to place in search of some utopia, only to start another round of complaints when they get there lol Look, I'm not trying to convince anyone not to move to the US. I was only defending the NHS, same with some other posters. It's not perfect as I've said numerous times, but it's very good. I'm very happy for anyone who chooses to go seeking a better life or healthcare in the US or Canada or Nigeria or wherever. 6 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by dupyshoo: 12:36pm On May 14 |
Is it to diagnosis or to access treatment after diagnosis? Thewritingnerd: |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:39pm On May 14 |
dupyshoo: Thanks Dupyshoo, this fact has been called out several times but some people just love to bash and fault find. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by kwakudtraveller(m): 12:44pm On May 14 |
Zahra29:Itâs a good thing that you rounded up your statement by saying that this is a result of hearsay of people dropping dead unexpectedly, which definitely comes from fear and not just because they want to abuse the system because they paid their IHS fees. In the same vein, many people who actually paid for their IHS are not even registered with GPs because they believe that they do not need to. Letâs educate people and sometimes empathise instead of looking for an avenue to always call out migrants for one reason or another. 7 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by kwakudtraveller(m): 12:46pm On May 14 |
dupyshoo:Treatments as well. Look at this 2024 article. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-68435770.amp 1 Like |
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