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Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by KnowAll(m): 2:08am On May 16 |
1. Free transport to work 2. Subsidised homes. Like the ones built by shagari in the 80’s . Little one two & 3 bedroom houses. They would pay N5000.00 per month 3. Build large cooperative stores that would sell groceries at rock bottom price. That means government would buy fruit and vegetables from farmers and subsidies them. Including meat rice& fish. It can be done. There would be know reasons to increase wages which would eventually lead to a runaway inflation. The 650,000 labour is asking for would lead to runaway inflation just like in Zimbabwe. 156 Likes 19 Shares
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Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by budaatum: 2:17am On May 16 |
KnowAll: In order to subsidise to feed you, government will buy cheap from farmers, who will then find it unprofitable to plant food so food gets imported at inflated prices. Trust me. You are worth far more than 30k a month or you at least ought to be. 99 Likes 10 Shares |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by Blue3k(m): 2:22am On May 16 |
Let's just become communist already. Forget the wages they can decide what we eat, where we live, where we work and how many kids we have. The state has proven to be good at running schools, the electrical grid and other industries like oil refineries. Revolution now comrades. 43 Likes 9 Shares |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by KnowAll(m): 2:27am On May 16 |
budaatum: There is what is called deflation. When prices starts tumbling downwards. Look if we look inwards produce what we eat, build our little houses with our own products and have free transport. Naira would not only gain value the 30,000 Naira of today may actually fall to the equivalent of $1,000.00 24 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by KnowAll(m): 2:28am On May 16 |
Blue3k: Not communist but a welfarist state like Sweden and co. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by DeLaRue: 2:29am On May 16 |
Op has a point. There is nothing communist about 2 of his suggestions. The one about groceries is unlikely to be practicable. Transport can be subsidised rather than being totally free. I am a capitalist, but given the level of poverty, homelessness, and despair in the USA - the poster child of capitalism - and the fact that 50% of those earning $100,000 or above in the US live from hand to mouth (despite that being a high salary), I have come to believe that the purest form of capitalism is a recipe for despair. The only true winners are the super rich and the upper middle classes who set the rules of the game and continue to get richer. The majority of people work, work, and work with little to show for it. A government must be able to intervene in certain areas when the wanton greed that capitalism inevitably breeds is getting out of hand. A couple of months ago, Cement manufacturers were selling cement to distributors at around N7,500, but these people were selling to consumers for N11,000 and above. That's just one out of many examples of unbridled greed. 41 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by Blue3k(m): 2:31am On May 16 |
KnowAll: Really how much income tax are you ready to pay to make that a reality? 5 Likes |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by KnowAll(m): 2:31am On May 16 |
budaatum: They buy it at market rate from farmers. Farmers are not losing. The government would now subsidise it or even deduct N5000.00 from your pay for you use the cooperatives. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by budaatum: 2:36am On May 16 |
KnowAll: Look around you and tell me how many of the things you see can be produced by you. And note the phone you eat (use) and the taps in your sink. Nothing is free. Government will have to pay someone to provide free to you, and in order to get the money, government will tax you. 5 Likes |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by KnowAll(m): 2:37am On May 16 |
If you are a good economist inflation is the easiest thing to curb. Find what is causing the inflation 1 transport cost that should be taking off once fruit & vegs are purchase & warehouse in the cooperatives. The cooperatives on the hand would sell to the people at subsides rate. Bingo inflation over 2. Gasoline since government cig powered Lorrie’s would be doing the delivery to the cooperatives that would be reduced to the bearest minimum . 3 Likes |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by KnowAll(m): 2:39am On May 16 |
point. There is nothing communist about 2 of his suggestions. The one about groceries is unlikely to be practicable. But the Groceries suggestion is what Lagos state is trying to do but needs a little tweeking to get it right. 2 Likes |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by budaatum: 2:44am On May 16 |
KnowAll: Government will not buy at market rate, but will instead set the market rate, which will be much lower than is profitable for the farmer who might not have an alternative market. A smart farmer would of course not sell to the government and export to Timbuktu instead where prices are much better. And government will have to import to feed you which will inflate the cost of food and deflate the value of the Naira. The end point would be that after government deducts administration fee and bribe for purchasing from particular farmers (who would not be your small farmers but large industrial farmers), the food you get for N5000.00 would be worth less than N2000.00. 2 Likes |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by DeLaRue: 2:46am On May 16 |
KnowAll: I understand, but to do it nationwide in a way that brings it within the reach of majority of the population is near impossible. The bureaucracy needed to get it going across the country and maintain it will be the equivalent of running a national census or elections on a daily basis. The paper work involved will be crippling. The inevitable corruption that will bedevil it will ultimately break it. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by KnowAll(m): 2:48am On May 16 |
budaatum: Do know the farmers that feeds the whole of South Africa and Namibia are not more 30. |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by KnowAll(m): 2:52am On May 16 |
DeLaRue: South Africa is larger than Nigeria by size. And they are fed by not more than 30 oligarchs farmers, same thing Namibia. 2 Likes |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by KnowAll(m): 3:05am On May 16 |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by budaatum: 3:17am On May 16 |
KnowAll: You are going to need to provide evidence in order for me to know this. 6 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by oz4real83(m): 4:36am On May 16 |
As for your free transportation for workers suggestion, how about the worker's family and other dependents? Will they also get free transportation? Or you think workers only take care of themselves? The things govt should do are to seriously and genuinely fight corruption and make the country|economy work, every other thing will sort out themselves ![]() 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by Validated: 4:54am On May 16 |
KnowAll:Oga, Nigerians are capitalists, your model cannot work. How many of the palliative noodles did you find in the market? People will just evacuate the cooperative store and you will see the products in Oshodi the next week. Pay people a living wage of `$200 minimum or N280k. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by ivandragon: 5:51am On May 16 |
Hmm... The socio-economic damage bubu and bulaba have done to this country would be so difficult to reverse. The country had entered into a very bad corner which would be very difficult to get out from. The fact is a minimum wage above N70k would be a struggle to pay for majority of small & medium businesses. What government needs to urgently do is to bring about stability first in the economy, then introduce measures to bring down prices of goods & services. Tackle corruption... hmm... Then ensure income is tied to productivity (work) which in turn must be tied to taxes. The way some people spend money is ridiculous but it is because they easily dodge taxes and no one questions thier source of income. Unfortunately we have a government that prioritises White elephant projects, propaganda & sycophants over genuine socio-economic development. 3 Likes |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by DrTee1(m): 6:14am On May 16 |
ivandragon: I agree with you to a large extent - but I'm afraid you may not be considering the political side of state. To win most elections in Nigeria as of today, you have to splurge i.e dash money, fritter resources, be seen as a "spender" etc. All these reduce the possibility of being frugal in administration and strategic in development. To recoup the money ahead of the next elections or to retain your party in office after you, all colours of big animal projects are entertained as Special Purpose Vehicles. I wouldn't blame the Presidents or Governors ALONE. We, the people, must also partake in the blame. There are no short cuts. The reorientation must start from the grassroots, ourselves. We must realise that our current style of politicking wouldn't help our country. If would incapacitate anybody who wins elections - regardless of intention. A country where we celebrate people for Federal appointments. What that tells is that we think such person now has access to the fabled 'national cake', isn't it? And we want our country to work. How? We have to change the way we think, as a people. We have to prioritise education: not the miracle centres we bandy everywhere but our graduates cannot pass IELTS. I wouldn't excuse the President(s), but the problems are more than a single persone who is President. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by Pennywise2: 6:20am On May 16 |
Government is now a business venture. No more thinking about the people again. Only three common words you will hear everyday= fuel price, dollars to naira, food prices. Any other thing you hear are for the news only. The first sign of real governance is sacrifice. The leader starts it. 2 Likes |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by ivandragon: 6:40am On May 16 |
DrTee1: If the president can unilaterally make pronouncements that impoverish the people, then a sincere leader can do same in the opposite direction. Though I agree that it is a vicious circle because the society breeds the politicians and the politicians run the society, so its basically garbage in, garbage out. Our sociopolitical culture and values are at its lowest ebb in decades. But some people have to break that mold or else the country is doomed. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by ogmask: 6:43am On May 16 |
KnowAll: 1. What is the population of the civil service compared to those Nigerians on the street? 2. Why will it always be about the servile service when the larger population are in the private sector 3. Nigeria is already experiencing run away inflation due to the insensitivity of the Tinubu govt. 4. Instead of doing the things you listed above it is better to address the issues around petrol subsidy, hike in electricity tariff and tackle insecurity to at least allow people go back to farm and move freely. 5. Tinubu should concentrate more on curbing stealing, double taxation, stable power, encourage our local industries instead of his focus on milking the people dry in the guise of revenue generation. 6. Tinubu should settle down to work and forget about propaganda. In the end we all live here and feel the heat together. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by DrTee1(m): 7:16am On May 16 |
ivandragon: Thank you very much, Brother/Sister. The big question is: how do those "mold-breakers" get into power? Let's not talk about anything undemocratic. As far as I know, democracy breeds the best form of participatory governance and I am entirely against anything that suggests otherwise. So in such depraved society as this, the originating question persists: how do the change agents get into power? Mind you, it is not getting into power at the Federal level like Obi's style o? No. They have to get into power across board i.e 50+1% of elective offices all over the country in order to have the democratic number required to make the changes necessary in public administration. Mind you, the Industrialised Countries of the world are really uninterested in Nigeria and Southern Hemispheric countries economic independence and sustainability. The IMF and WTO, for example, are institutions to maintain the global economic imbalance. There are already great challenges in Europe and America over the Chinese and Russian economic might. They are never going to be interested in such in Africa, and would in turn influence our capacity to think by giving our corrupt leaders free money that is in turn multiplied by the exchange rate - which would help them win every election conducted in this 'line up at polling booth' style. That's where people can easily, or readily 'buy' votes. I'm unimpressed by the noise in the media: all the three major parties essentially rigged or suppressed/incapacitated opposition votes in their areas of strength. So we must dig deep to bring ourselves out of our political and socio-economic quagmire. I think that educating the people is one of the important tools to achieve that. I thank you for your positive contributions this morning. 2 Likes |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by IBB007: 7:27am On May 16 |
One of the best threads I’ve read on Nairaland…enlightening and devoid of tribal gbas gbos 6 Likes |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by CodeTemplar: 7:32am On May 16 |
Blue3k:go and revolt now. Where will govt get N600k to pay people who majorly go to work twice a month to eat groundnut and gist such salary? The oil resources Nigeria is structured upon has been used or programmed to repay wasted debt for the foreseeable future so where will govt get such unreasonable amount from? 5 Likes |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by ivandragon: 7:42am On May 16 |
DrTee1: How to get out of the quagmire is to get the generality of the population to push in the same direction and hold leaders at all levels to account (easier said than done though). I don't really subscribe to the East-West debate about the East being less explotative than the west. Any industrialised nation would always seek to do what's best for its own economy. In fact, our own politicians are far more explotative than any foreign government. Nigeria has failed to follow tried and trusted patterns of transitioning from a traditional society to a developed one because we place more value on parochial affiliations than productivity and I say this down to intra state levels. We have very narrow outlooks on issues. We are trying to modernise without evolving our traditions, perceptions and values. It can't work. Even China, as traditional as it is, has had to evolve itself to become what it is today. Everyday, we hear about our massive natural resources, yet we don't know those who exploit them. Today they say foreigners, tomorrow they say bandits... yet, no one is arrested and prosecuted. Also, there is need to review our electoral system. There is a proposal some of us have been trying to sell, but of course, a lot of resistance to it. It would make elections performance based and is unlike any other electoral system in the world. Hopefully one day, it would come to fruition. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by CodeTemplar: 7:50am On May 16 |
KnowAll:You are making perfect sense but many will never understand. In a nation where people are used to cutting corners as a virtue, where they steal the future through in the present theough demonic powers, go to govt work to pick salary without working they don't expect to be called upon to be productive. They only want to plunder and consume while bragging about some easy greens and means. Any call to deflation involves massive production of what you consume most and that means hitherto salary earning idlers will be called to do actual work. They don want that. They want crude oil earning to be used to pay them unconditionally. Fortunately for the system the crude oil money has been used to borrow heavily into future earnings. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by CodeTemplar: 7:57am On May 16 |
ivandragon:Subsidy was fraught with corruption but has anyone been arrested? It has even been reintroduced without arrests and prosecution so expect the current corruption to be more severe. Our structure and attitude has been influenced by availability of easy crude money. Fortunately, that money is being used to repay wasted loans by past govt. Restructuring is starting us, either forcefully or diplomatically. 2 Likes |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by MEEVEET: 8:03am On May 16 |
KnowAll:See what this one is typing above... In America you would be jailed for this socialist nonsense Nigerians are really socialist in nature Most Nigerians prefer Welfarist society Now I know why most Nigerians see Capitalist minded Igbos the way they do Fundamentally speaking we shouldn't be one country |
Re: Maintain Minimum Wage At N30,000.00 But Give Workers 3 Things??? by DrTee1(m): 8:07am On May 16 |
ivandragon: I think we are saying the same thing at this level, and as you have enthused, the solution as in your first paragraph, is easier said than done. I have always held the opinion that harder issues are what great men are called to address. So that "easier said than done" should not be a limitation but a call to action. I have written already what has to be done: improve education and eradicate education malpractices. That's the lowest hanging fruit to harvest in our current messy situation. Once you do that as a people, you instantly boost (I had to stop myself from using the word 'fecundate') the critical thinking skills of the populace. It may take a few years to see the effects, but like an Avocado 🥑 seed planted, the fruits would come to bear very bountifully in the near future. That's what would achieve your proposition in your first sentence. Every other thing: investment in health service delivery especially at the primary tier, construction of access roads, bridges and waterways, speed trains, power and electricity, sports advancement and youth development etc would then come after. But this idea of doing 'giveaway', even by the government - which Betta Edu got burnt at - is irresponsible tokenism that would never develop our society. I have no qualms with taking very hard decisions in government, but it must be followed through to the letter as conceived, to ensure that it ultimately leads to a better developed society. 8 Likes 1 Share |
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