michlins:
offerings were never part of the Bible. The early apostles collected offerings so as to help the needy and cater for the full time workers in the church.

Right now, it's different. Pastors are now richer than the church and probably don't need the money again. So this is a step in the right direction to take off the burden from the members

After saying it’s not biblical you went on confirm it’s biblical by stating that the apostles collected offerings.

What’s your definition of biblical please?

NB: I’m just an observer

T

damosky12:


No. The collections of the Bible church was not only for the needy. The assembly of God right from Deuteronomy has always take collections to cater for the general needs of the church and the needs of the ministers.

Jesus took offerings to fund His ministry.


Luke 8:1-3
[1]And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
[2]And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
[3]And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

You recall he had a treasurer in Judas who kept the funds?


John 12:4-6
[4]Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
[5]Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6]This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

John 13:29
[29]For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

The money was much, and it wasn't collection for the needy!

The Epistles teach giving well to pastors. It was a thing in the early church.


Galatians 6:6
[6]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

1 Timothy 5:17-18
[17]Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
[18]For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

The welfare collection for the need of the church in Acts 5 and 6 was just an aspect of the need of the church emphasized there. Apparently, it's not the alpha and omega of Christian giving. The needs of the church could be anything: building needs, equipment, missionary journeys, church venue maintenance, etc. These are the needs churches have today...

Even devil can justify his actions… keep fooling people around, their eyes will fully open one day

Praxis758:
This isn’t biblical.

Christian clerics should stop panting to media and societal pressure to twist and pervert the gospel.

However, I’m not a supporter of prosperity or money-money gospel.

Moderation is the key.

Use your discretion Bible told us to be wise also stop following god of men like zombies.
Eg: Bible says we should not lie ,doesn’t mean you’ll break a sad news to an hypertensive patient all in the name of telling the truth be wise .
If this church is sufficient with past offering why can’t they suspend it when the economy is hard.

Wrong.
You're stopping my blessings.
I'll leave the church.

Toluwanise247:

Even devil can justify his actions… keep fooling people around, their eyes will fully open one day

What is the context of this insult? Are you hurt by the Bible scriptures or by what exactly?

@kobojunkie, food for masturbating on don show. Oya come out.🤔

damosky12:


No. The collections of the Bible church was not only for the needy. The assembly of God right from Deuteronomy has always take collections to cater for the general needs of the church and the needs of the ministers.

Jesus took offerings to fund His ministry.


Luke 8:1-3
[1]And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
[2]And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
[3]And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

You recall he had a treasurer in Judas who kept the funds?


John 12:4-6
[4]Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
[5]Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6]This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

John 13:29
[29]For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

The money was much, and it wasn't collection for the needy!

The Epistles teach giving well to pastors. It was a thing in the early church.


Galatians 6:6
[6]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

1 Timothy 5:17-18
[17]Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
[18]For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

The welfare collection for the need of the church in Acts 5 and 6 was just an aspect of the need of the church emphasized there. Apparently, it's not the alpha and omega of Christian giving. The needs of the church could be anything: building needs, equipment, missionary journeys, church venue maintenance, etc. These are the needs churches have today...

Collecting offerings is different from people donating, except you can provide a scripture where Offering was called or basket passed after Jesus preached or taught. Stay with what the bible says

Praxis758:
This isn’t biblical.

Christian clerics should stop panting to media and societal pressure to twist and pervert the gospel.

However, I’m not a supporter of prosperity or money-money gospel.

Moderation is the key.

Awww......You just said what I wanted to say exactly the way I had it in my mind.
This action of the Pastor is totally unbiblical.
He did not hear from or consulted the Holy Spirit in this.
He just wanted to please the world

As if they were mandated before

Praxis758:
This isn’t biblical.

Christian clerics should stop panting to media and societal pressure to twist and pervert the gospel.

However, I’m not a supporter of prosperity or money-money gospel.

Moderation is the key.

Thief you want to keep living off the tithes of people . Go and find a job

Righthussle:
Oh! My people don suffer for these thieves hand.

Guys stop giving these pulpit bandits your hard earned money. Whoever or whatever made the universe will NEVER EVER EVER NEVER need your money for A N Y T H I N G whatsoever.


Any human being who collects money from other humans on behalf of an unseen entity is a thief. You don't need a judge to tell you that.



Any human who gives money to another human with the mindset that he/she is giving money to the creator of the universe or any unseen entity is a big fool.


Any man who tells you he works for the maker of the universe is a thief. He works for his stomach. He must one day come to tell you his "all-sufficient " god whom he works for needs your money. The being behind the existence of the universe is not a human like Dangote, Elon Musk or Tinubu that will need workers and money. Wise up

So what is your headache with people's money? Are we complaining to you?

michlins:
offerings were never part of the Bible. The early apostles collected offerings so as to help the needy and cater for the full time workers in the church.

Right now, it's different. Pastors are now richer than the church and probably don't need the money again. So this is a step in the right direction to take off the burden from the members

What kind of irrational contradictory statement are u making here?

How can u say that offering was never part of the Bible and at the same time say that early Apostles collected it.
This is why most of you cannot pass simple exams unless through cheating.
You do not write with your rational thinking intact.

That's good

damosky12:


No. The collections of the Bible church was not only for the needy. The assembly of God right from Deuteronomy has always take collections to cater for the general needs of the church and the needs of the ministers.

Jesus took offerings to fund His ministry.


Luke 8:1-3
[1]And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
[2]And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
[3]And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

You recall he had a treasurer in Judas who kept the funds?


John 12:4-6
[4]Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
[5]Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6]This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

John 13:29
[29]For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

The money was much, and it wasn't collection for the needy!

The Epistles teach giving well to pastors. It was a thing in the early church.


Galatians 6:6
[6]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

1 Timothy 5:17-18
[17]Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
[18]For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

The welfare collection for the need of the church in Acts 5 and 6 was just an aspect of the need of the church emphasized there. Apparently, it's not the alpha and omega of Christian giving. The needs of the church could be anything: building needs, equipment, missionary journeys, church venue maintenance, etc. These are the needs churches have today...

This a wholesome explanation.
Only a fo0l and haters of God and His servants will argue it.

Stupidity
This is just cheap clout chasing in my opinion. Even Jesus who could send Peter to a fish to get money and who has the ability to turn water into wine and multiply food collected offering because the collection of offering does not only help the church to meet its numerous needs but it also helps the giver to receive more blessings from God so by stopping to collect offering assuming the pastor himself has the money to keep running the church he is still acting as a hindrance to his church members. The scripture says with reason that it is more blessed to give than to receive.
Some people need to be well groomed before taking up roles and tasks that are exalted this pastor does not really understand the scriptures I can tell you this for free

True Christianity helps to make sure nobody in the church has a need. You all contribute to offset each other’s needs

Acts 4:34-35
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need

This is true Christianity, not one preacher getting rich while his members become poorer. Those ones are not practicing Christianity

folks4luv:

Collecting offerings is different from people donating, except you can provide a scripture where Offering was called or basket passed after Jesus preached or taught. Stay with what the bible says

Lol. You obviously aren't a Bible student.

Offering in churches simply means collection or giving. The origin of it is Bible giving and Bible's teaching on giving.

Whether they pass baskets or they give before or after teaching, what matters is that there's got to be a giving.

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Basket o. After preaching o. Before preaching o. Bible sha teaches devotion to giving to the local church and church leaders.

WorldRichest:


Did Jesus collect Tithe? You are worshipping your Yahoo Pastors, not Jesus

Did Jesus have a church or a synagogue?

Watch pastors attack him for thos gesture ..some will even post here on NL

damosky12:


No. The collections of the Bible church was not only for the needy. The assembly of God right from Deuteronomy has always take collections to cater for the general needs of the church and the needs of the ministers.

Jesus took offerings to fund His ministry.


Luke 8:1-3
[1]And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
[2]And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
[3]And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

You recall he had a treasurer in Judas who kept the funds?


John 12:4-6
[4]Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
[5]Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6]This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

John 13:29
[29]For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

The money was much, and it wasn't collection for the needy!

The Epistles teach giving well to pastors. It was a thing in the early church.


Galatians 6:6
[6]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

1 Timothy 5:17-18
[17]Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
[18]For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

The welfare collection for the need of the church in Acts 5 and 6 was just an aspect of the need of the church emphasized there. Apparently, it's not the alpha and omega of Christian giving. The needs of the church could be anything: building needs, equipment, missionary journeys, church venue rent or maintenance, etc. These are the needs churches have today...

They are ignorant people

Praxis758:
This isn’t biblical.

Christian clerics should stop panting to media and societal pressure to twist and pervert the gospel.

However, I’m not a supporter of prosperity or money-money gospel.

Moderation is the key.

You are a supporter!

Psoul:


This a wholesome explanation.
Only a fo0l and haters of God and His servants will argue it.

Thank you! Some folks (supposed Christians) are hurt when giving is taught. It's almost bewildering.

Psoul:


Awww......You just said what I wanted to say exactly the way I had it in my mind.
This action of the Pastor is totally unbiblical.
He did not hear from or consulted the Holy Spirit in this.
He just wanted to please the world

Na you dey deliver messages for Holy Spirit
How you take know say him no hear from Holy Spirit.
I know say pastors go don use your head tire🙄

WorldRichest:


Did Jesus collect Tithe? You are worshipping your Yahoo Pastors, not Jesus

I guess you will tear Malachi 3 vs 8 out of your bible ...

This pastor is just looking for cheap publicity and is acting sanctimonious

Must you announce it openly??

If you are financially buoyant, Can't you divert the money to other pressing needs?

Anyways, we give in church to receive God's blessings and to promote the gospel and not to enrich any pastor.

So by giving, you are doing yourself a big favour.

michlins:
offerings were never part of the Bible. The early apostles collected offerings so as to help the needy and cater for the full time workers in the church.

Right now, it's different. Pastors are now richer than the church and probably don't need the money again. So this is a step in the right direction to take off the burden from the members

Offerings not part of the bible yet early church collected it. Lol.

damosky12:


No. The collections of the Bible church was not only for the needy. The assembly of God right from Deuteronomy has always take collections to cater for the general needs of the church and the needs of the ministers.

Jesus took offerings to fund His ministry.


Luke 8:1-3
[1]And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
[2]And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
[3]And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

You recall he had a treasurer in Judas who kept the funds?


John 12:4-6
[4]Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
[5]Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6]This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

John 13:29
[29]For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

The money was much, and it wasn't collection for the needy!

The Epistles teach giving well to pastors. It was a thing in the early church.


Galatians 6:6
[6]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

1 Timothy 5:17-18
[17]Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
[18]For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

The welfare collection for the need of the church in Acts 5 and 6 was just an aspect of the need of the church emphasized there. Apparently, it's not the alpha and omega of Christian giving. The needs of the church could be anything: building needs, equipment, missionary journeys, church venue rent or maintenance, etc. These are the needs churches have today...

I love your contribution my brother. You're a star,God bless you.What further witnesses and references do will need? You have hammer the thread with powerful biblical references. If you do not take pains to dig out these now,everyone would be praising unlearned pastors whose God is their belly. If however the price of fuel would not come down,it means no more offering making Bible a liar?

Praxis758:
This isn’t biblical.

Christian clerics should stop panting to media and societal pressure to twist and pervert the gospel.

However, I’m not a supporter of prosperity or money-money gospel.

Moderation is the key.

You've said it all!
Reason with the people but have the mind of God.

michlins:
offerings were never part of the Bible. The early apostles collected offerings so as to help the needy and cater for the full time workers in the church.

Right now, it's different. Pastors are now richer than the church and probably don't need the money again. So this is a step in the right direction to take off the burden from the members

Oga u are in absolute error. Read ur Bible again

What of the widow with coppa coin.

Praxis758:
This isn’t biblical.

Christian clerics should stop panting to media and societal pressure to twist and pervert the gospel.

However, I’m not a supporter of prosperity or money-money gospel.

Moderation is the key.

u be pastor abi, na una wan finish the sheeples

LexngtonSteele:


Lol. The extent to which you guys asslick Pastors always amaze me.

If you catch a Pastor mercilessly banging your wife / daughter on your matrimonial bed, I bet you would help to force her legs 🦵 open wider.

I have seen a lot of your posts defending the Pastors with every fibre of your being... your case is....if I say "hopeless", it will seem I am insulting you so I wouldn't say it.

I will soon become a Pastor. You must pay your tithes to me, I promise not to spare the rod for your wife if she's my specs.

I will part her thighs with my rod like Moses parted the Red Sea. Na your tithes I go use buy condoms and aphrodisiacs. Now shout "Hallelujah"

You talk like one of the most foolish men on earth.Your language is vulgar. You must be truly devil advocate.No matter whom you're, God has no respect of persons.You better repent now so that iniquities will not bevyour ruins.