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Re: Am I Convinced? by LordReed(m): 8:00am On May 19 |
Anaybira: LoLz. You the believer in fairytale is the one stuck, in the past. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by LordReed(m): 8:01am On May 19 |
Anaybira: Which question haven't I answered? Meanwhile I asked you a question and you started getting pissy. LoLz. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by LordReed(m): 8:02am On May 19 |
tintingz: Glad to hear. I'm alright contrary to all those hoping their god will strike me down. LoLz. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by tintingz(m): 9:00am On May 19 |
Anaybira: Not getting this question, kindly give example. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by tintingz(m): 9:20am On May 19 |
Anaybira: 1. So you believe it's a matter of unseen(mystery) hence your god can create something from nothing but when someone said the universe came from nothing you find it absurd? 2. If something must have a creator or originator, who's the creator of your god? |
Re: Am I Convinced? by tintingz(m): 9:22am On May 19 |
Anaybira:This is word of mouth and more also ridiculous. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by tintingz(m): 9:24am On May 19 |
LordReed:This is hilarious ![]() |
Re: Am I Convinced? by Anaybira: 9:27am On May 19 |
LordReed:Even though the laws have limitations i.e not always true. I don't have issue with something changing form, mass, energy bla bla bla for now, what matters here is how that thing that already existed came to existence? or is it from nothing? |
Re: Am I Convinced? by tintingz(m): 9:37am On May 19 |
NeoWanZaeed: Most religions I know believe that their supreme god is supernatural, if you have any religion where a human is worshiped as the supreme god, kindly mention them. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by Anaybira: 9:51am On May 19 |
tintingz:ALLAH said He is the creator, the same One who gave you limited knowledge [or do man think he can know everything?] unseen matter are only revealed through prophets. By nature we cannot force ourselves to believe the universe came from nothing even the most retard of man will not take that, in the same vein, by nature we must believe that there is something a creator behind this magnificient world of ours. This is an intelligent design no doubt. Less you want to start following Darwinian evolution theory which is even crazier to hold as truth. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by Anaybira: 10:06am On May 19 |
tintingz:By revelation, He said He was neither created not given birth to. By natural inclination the supreme originator is not and will never be a product of origination [CREATION]. HE gave us the tools to absurb this...Check Qur 76:1-3 again. also Quran 67:10 |
Re: Am I Convinced? by IMAliyu(m): 10:10am On May 19 |
tintingz:I've been doing alright. I've come 180° on my convictions on religion and Islam, since we last interacted. Funny how life goes sometimes. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by Anaybira: 10:17am On May 19 |
tintingz:check Qur 75:31-40 |
Re: Am I Convinced? by Anaybira: 10:22am On May 19 |
Anaybira:Pls get this because it will sometimes be cumbersome to be quoting the Quran by typing. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by LordReed(m): 11:39am On May 19 |
Anaybira: I repeat, something has always existed. At no point was there nothing. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by tintingz(m): 12:10pm On May 19 |
Anaybira: You're using Quran verses as evidence to someone that doesn't believe in the book? Lol |
Re: Am I Convinced? by tintingz(m): 12:10pm On May 19 |
IMAliyu:You're still a muslim? |
Re: Am I Convinced? by tintingz(m): 12:16pm On May 19 |
Anaybira: Again, you're going in circles. Quoting the Quran doesn't solve the question of why your god created the universe from nothing. It's ridiculous to quote a book that's subjective to your religion. It's like saying the reason superman can fly is because it's written in the comic. A god creating the universe from nothing is as absurd as someone who claims the universe came from nothing. Both parties can make claims since it's based on subjective beliefs. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by tintingz(m): 12:18pm On May 19 |
Anaybira: Oh my goodness. ![]() |
Re: Am I Convinced? by IMAliyu(m): 12:39pm On May 19 |
tintingz:No, ex-Muslim/Agnostic atheist, now. Tho I'm forced to keep up appearances with family and friends. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by Anaybira: 1:55pm On May 19 |
LordReed:You believe in Big bang? |
Re: Am I Convinced? by LordReed(m): 2:04pm On May 19 |
Anaybira: I am not a believer. I accept the scientific basis and evidence for the big bang. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by NeoWanZaeed(m): 2:06pm On May 19 |
tintingz: You are brain dead. Don't quote me again. Christians worship Jesus who's a human being. Jews worship Ezra Buhdiist worship Buddha who's a human being The list goes on and on |
Re: Am I Convinced? by Anaybira: 2:13pm On May 19 |
LordReed:you just mention scientific? So the bigbang is a fact that got its evidence from scientic method? |
Re: Am I Convinced? by Anaybira: 2:15pm On May 19 |
tintingz:you don't have to believe, just to reply you. You got it already? |
Re: Am I Convinced? by LordReed(m): 2:21pm On May 19 |
NeoWanZaeed: We just gave you 2 religions where a human is not worshipped but you ignored it because it doesn't fit your narrative. Shows how poor your reasoning really is. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by LordReed(m): 2:21pm On May 19 |
Anaybira: Yes. |
Re: Am I Convinced? by Anaybira: 2:27pm On May 19 |
tintingz:check quran 2:117 |
Re: Am I Convinced? by tintingz(m): 4:23pm On May 19 |
IMAliyu:Wow that's great. Welcome to the club brother. The family part is necessary, it's something most African atheists can relate too. What year did it happen? |
Re: Am I Convinced? by IMAliyu(m): 5:17pm On May 19 |
tintingz:I can't really say, as it was sort of a gradual thing. But I never recovered from a question I asked in 2020 which I made a thread for, which was "How Should One Find Out Which Religion Is The Truth?" The fact that I could never find a decent answer to this bothered me. I could concede the grounds that a God exists and created the universe for argument sake, but I still couldn't make an argument or come to the logical conclusion for any specific religion (primarily Islam) being empirically valid or the truth from that. This stuck with me, as to why Allah if real, would make the evidence for his religion as weak as for all the other supposed false religions. Considering the very high stakes here, which is eternal torture. You would think a loving, Merciful creator that doesn't want that for us, would make proving it's religion to be as simple and reliable as proving the existence of gravity. Rather we are stuck arguing about ancient books that even members of the religion can't all agree on it's interpretations and meaning. This would either mean God is not good but in fact cruel, or non of this is real and it's entirely manmade. I still kept up with Salat, and Ramadan fasting up until sometime 2022 thinking I am wrong, and maybe if I learned even more, that I would change my mind, and regain my faith. That never happened, the more I learned the more manmade everything looked, and Salat and fasting became a very hollow and demanding chore, that I had to drop To an extent I still feel a level of loss here, considering I did infact think Islam was really the Truth, with all questions answered, that was why I was so eager to engage and defend it in the past. 1 Like |
Re: Am I Convinced? by tintingz(m): 5:19pm On May 19 |
NeoWanZaeed: Christians worship a supernatural god, Jews don't worship Ezra they worship Yahweh, Buddhists don't worship Buddha infact Buddhists don't believe in concept of supreme god. You can insult me all you want but your argument is ridiculous still. 1 Like |
Re: Am I Convinced? by tintingz(m): 5:25pm On May 19 |
Anaybira:Quran is not an evidence for how the universe came to be. |
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