In general, mosques are dedicated spaces for Muslim worship, and Islamic tradition reserves mosque worship primarily for Muslims. However, the question of the permissibility of Non Muslims using the space for prayer due to necessity is an interesting one.

Jews consider praying in the Church for any reason abominable, but the mosque is okay.

The aim of this post isn't to care for whatever non-Muslims believe, but to expose how glaring the misguidance of Christianity is in realm of Abrahamic faith.


Here are discussion forums for Jews' opinion on this curious question.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/l8cgzb/do_jews_actually_go_to_a_mosque_to_pray_if_no/

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Jews-allowed-to-pray-in-a-mosque-but-not-a-church/answer/Gal-Amir-1?ch=15&oid=1477743737572322&share=b6df789b&srid=u81iy4&target_type=answer

Keep deceiving yourself!

Whats it about Muslims now claiming brother to Jews

There are literally messianic jews in hundreds of thousands that not only pray in church but to Jesus

Mohammad was always insecure that's why he needed jews validation, una still dey hate them becos dem no gree for islam

Which group of people created/invented Islam ?

Mosque wey Boko Haram ddy enter the go Bomb people while shouting Al Akhbar?

Jews that killed Jesus? Bloody people. Them and Muslims sef Na almost same they deserve each other. Modern day Christianity is not even a religion to me just some opioid of the masses, all of them

Georgry:
Mosque wey Boko Haram ddy enter the go Bomb people while shouting Al Akhbar?

You dey go far
The other day for Oyo,a Muslim cleric raped a girl inside mosque when she wanted to use the convenience.

What you said is the truth, but have you ever wondered why, Islam started out as a Jewish contraption to counter Christianity, they were first called nassarans, an order the prophet himself came from, most of the Islamic traditions came from Jews who themselves taught and encouraged Mohammed, the resistance of Jews to Christianity came from the fact that there expectations of the Messiah was completely different from what Christ did on earth, they expected a Messiah in the form of a general, under whose command, their army can't be defeated, a personae that can free them from their Roman oppressors, but Jesus came for a different purpose, to save humans from enternal damnation, spiritually, not physical freedom, these misconception makes the Jews to reject messianic personae, jesus presents.

NzogbuNzogbu:
Whats it about Muslims now claiming brother to Jews

There are literally messianic jews in hundreds of thousands that not only pray in church but to Jesus

The major denominations of Judaism—**Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist**—do not recognize Messianic Judaism as a form of Judaism.

It emerged in the 1960s and 1970s from the earlier Hebrew Christian movement and has been associated with evangelical Christian groups.


Messianic Jews consider themselves to be practicing a form of Judaism, but the broader Jewish community and its religious authorities do not recognize it as such, viewing it instead as a branch of Christianity.

(1) Who Are Messianic "Jews"? | My Jewish Learning. https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/messianic-judaism/.
(2) Messianic Judaism - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism.
(3) What Do Messianic Jews Believe? - Christianity. https://www.christianity.com/church/denominations/what-do-messianic-jews-believe-and-practice.html.
(4) Key beliefs in Judaism Messiah - BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zjbyb82/revision/5.
(5) What Is Messianic Judaism? - Christianity. https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-terms/what-is-messianic-judaism.html.
(6) en.wikipedia.org. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism.

Tetrahedron:

Keep deceiving yourself!

BTW us, we know deep down who's deceiving himself.

jude79:
What you said is the truth, but have you ever wondered why, Islam started out as a Jewish contraption to counter Christianity, they were first called nassarans, an order the prophet himself came from, most of the Islamic traditions came from Jews who themselves taught and encouraged Mohammed, the resistance of Jews to Christianity came from the fact that there expectations of the Messiah was completely different from what Christ did on earth, they expected a Messiah in the form of a general, under whose command, their army can't be defeated, a personae that can free them from their Roman oppressors, but Jesus came for a different purpose, to save humans from enternal damnation, spiritually, not physical freedom, these misconception makes the Jews to reject messianic personae, jesus presents.

Called nassarans? Jewish contraption guy go siddon

elhakiimed:



The major denominations of Judaism—**Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist**—do not recognize Messianic Judaism as a form of Judaism.

It emerged in the 1960s and 1970s from the earlier Hebrew Christian movement and has been associated with evangelical Christian groups.


Messianic Jews consider themselves to be practicing a form of Judaism, but the broader Jewish community and its religious authorities do not recognize it as such, viewing it instead as a branch of Christianity.

(1) Who Are Messianic "Jews"? | My Jewish Learning. https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/messianic-judaism/.
(2) Messianic Judaism - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism.
(3) What Do Messianic Jews Believe? - Christianity. https://www.christianity.com/church/denominations/what-do-messianic-jews-believe-and-practice.html.
(4) Key beliefs in Judaism Messiah - BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zjbyb82/revision/5.
(5) What Is Messianic Judaism? - Christianity. https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-terms/what-is-messianic-judaism.html.
(6) en.wikipedia.org. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism.

oga who are u to say who should accept who

Does the Christian Hebrews Stop them from been jews?

The problem is this cursed islam philosophy where they think one set must think for others

Shites are actually not muslims becos Sunnis saudi doesn't consider them so

elhakiimed:
In general, mosques are dedicated spaces for Muslim worship, and Islamic tradition reserves mosque worship primarily for Muslims. However, the question of the permissibility of Non Muslims using the space for prayer due to necessity is an interesting one.

Jews consider praying in the Church for any reason abominable, but the mosque is okay.


Here are discussion forums for Jews' opinion on this curious question.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/l8cgzb/do_jews_actually_go_to_a_mosque_to_pray_if_no/

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Jews-allowed-to-pray-in-a-mosque-but-not-a-church/answer/Gal-Amir-1?ch=15&oid=1477743737572322&share=b6df789b&srid=u81iy4&target_type=answer

So therefore hamas n their supporters should not be killed?

bdon123:

So therefore hamas n their supporters should not be killed?

Dont distract people from the topic like you're some Ode. Contribute sensibly or move along

NzogbuNzogbu:
Whats it about Muslims now claiming brother to Jews

There are literally messianic jews in hundreds of thousands that not only pray in church but to Jesus

Mohammad was always insecure that's why he needed jews validation, una still dey hate them becos dem no gree for islam

Your emotions proceeds your thinking no doubt or perhaps you're just clueless about what you're saying.

The prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him, accommodated Jews and Christians till his passing. Muslims today do the same.

Christians need Islam to be hated to feel secure in their faith, not the other way.

Fools like you always think every cry is against you. It's actions like yours that's escalating your faith's dwindling influence worldwide.

elhakiimed:



Your emotions proceeds your thinking no doubt or perhaps you're just clueless about what you're saying.

The prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him, accommodated Jews and Christians till his passing. Muslims today do the same.

Christians need Islam to be hated to feel secure in their faith, not the other way.

Fools like you always think every cry is against you. It's actions like yours that's escalating your faith's dwindling influence worldwide.

Which Christians need Islam to feel secure? Wetin concern us with a pagan religion.
If anything, it's Islam that needs Christianity to secure its validity. Without Christianity, Islam is empty. That's why U guys go about preaching using Jesus and not Muhammed.
I don't even know anything about your Koran except some few verses for polemics sake, but every Muslim must read the bible to understand why they are Muslims. Then they console themselves by saying bible is corrupt.

And U guys are extremely toxic and intolerant. Any small thing, next thing U start looking for churches to burn and Christians to kill. Kilode....

Anyway, Islam will soon be exposed as a fraud of a religion it is. A religion devoid of sound theology and consistent hermeneutics. Na some confused whites that are attracted to the poetic composition of the Qur'an given Una mouth for now. They will soon know how far....

Most other culture are running far away from Islam including middle east. The recent Iranian uprising really exposed u guys.

Worshiping the true God has nothing to do with majority, right from inception the truth has always gain few not large audience.

Today worshipers of the God of Abraham in Israel is about 2,150 while the population of Israel is approximately 9,888,000
So don't think it's about support or the religion majority chooses!

SIRTee15:


Which Christians need Islam to feel secure? Wetin concern us with a pagan religion.
If anything, it's Islam that needs Christianity to secure its validity. Without Christianity, Islam is empty. That's why U guys go about preaching using Jesus and not Muhammed.
I don't even know anything about your Koran except some few verses for polemics sake, but every Muslim must read the bible to understand why they are Muslims. Then they console themselves by saying bible is corrupt.

And U guys are extremely toxic and intolerant. Any small thing, next thing U start looking for churches to burn and Christians to kill. Kilode....

Anyway, Islam will soon be exposed as a fraud of a religion it is. A religion devoid of sound theology and consistent hermeneutics. Na some confused whites that are attracted to the poetic composition of the Qur'an given Una mouth for now. They will soon know how far....

Most other culture are running far away from Islam including middle east. The recent Iranian uprising really exposed u guys.

You've just describe Christianity in a terribly sad way.

Islam is consistent in its theology. Worship One God and acknowledge His Prophets.
Vs
Christianity thinks God had to die for the God to overcome evil and forgive his own creation.

Quran is committed to memory by millions just as Allah promised, to make it easy to comprehend. Today some non-muslims read it themselves alone and converts.

Vs

Bible, with unknown authors, and try-hard preachers trying to push their own narratives to their sheep congregation.

You know it and everybody knows that without Africa and Asia, Christianity would probably be non-existent in 10 years. It's downhill from when you all have no power to force it down people's throats.

You're not that guy, and your faith isn't that Religion.

elhakiimed:


You've just describe Christianity in a terribly sad way.

I described Islam perfectly.

elhakiimed:

Islam is consistent in its theology. Worship One God and acknowledge His Prophets.

Cut the cap bro, there's no theology in islam. Islamic monotheism claim is very lame.
Zoroastrian was the first religion to believe solely in one God. The religion existed for more than 2000 yrs b4 Moses brought the Torah. Does that make it a true religion?
Muhammed as a prophet is ludicrous at best. Someone possessed by demon from birth, he grew up and started hallucinating- he thought he had sex with his wives when he didn't. He was desperate to pls his kinsmen that he gave in to satanic temptations and received revelation from the devil.
U Muslims took it a step higher by bowing down to a stone and going as far as licking the stone.
How's that different from African traditional worshippers who pour libation to stones when venerating their deity?
Islam is idol worshipping pure and simple.

elhakiimed:

Christianity thinks God had to die for the God to overcome evil and forgive his own creation.

My friend, no God died for anybody. A God cannot die. Its impossible for God to die- get that into your thick head.
If U don't understand trinity, ask your Christian friends.

elhakiimed:

Quran is committed to memory by millions just as Allah promised, to make it easy to comprehend. Today some non-muslims read it themselves alone and converts.

Which Qur'an are U memorising, the one Muhammed gave U or the one Uthman gave U?
Conversion is across all board. Lots of Muslims are becoming atheist or joining other religions as their mind deem fit. Its a free world.
Islamic religion is the one that looks for apostate to stone to death.

elhakiimed:

Bible, with unknown authors, and try-hard preachers trying to push their own narratives to their sheep congregation.

The bible speaks for itself. U read it and know the truth.

Its the Qur'an that requires u to learn Arabic to fully understand it. But that's enough, the Qur'an cannot stand alone. It needs the hadiths to get it right. But since hadiths are not reliable, contradictory and confusion; a Muslim must also read the tafsir not to misread the Qur'an. But that's still not enoughe because at the end of the day, only the scholars can interpret the Qur'an. The rest of u just have to believe what they say.

elhakiimed:

You know it and everybody knows that without Africa and Asia, Christianity would probably be non-existent in 10 years. It's downhill from when you all have no power to force it down people's throats.

We know the religion that was spread by the sword right from the start. And we know how the first Christians spread the gospel at the risk of the lives and neck.
I'm even surprised U mention Asia as Christian because the continent is predominantly Muslim, Hindu and Buddhism. Its only in the last 50 yrs that Christianity has made inroad into the region.
Anyway Christianity is an individual race, number counts for nothing. So many people claiming Christians that are better off as atheist or non believer.

elhakiimed:

You're not that guy, and your faith isn't that Religion.

I'm not here to drag my faith or yours- each to his own belief. My initial respond is to correct your erroneous impression that Christian regard Islam.
Apart from apologetics and polemics amongst us, the rest of Christians don't care about islam. We only know U guys are synonymous with terrorism, and U can kill for your prophet or Allah.
U guys are the ones that live and breath Christianity because that's the only way your religion makes sense- attack Christianity.

SIRTee15:

I described Islam perfectly.



Cut the cap bro, there's no theology in islam. Islamic monotheism claim is very lame.
Zoroastrian was the first religion to believe solely in one God. The religion existed for more than 2000 yrs b4 Moses brought the Torah. Does that make it a true religion?
Muhammed as a prophet is ludicrous at best. Someone possessed by demon from birth, he grew up and started hallucinating- he thought he had sex with his wives when he didn't. He was desperate to pls his kinsmen that he gave in to satanic temptations and received revelation from the devil.
U Muslims took it a step higher by bowing down to a stone and going as far as locking the stone.
How's that different from African traditional worshippers who pour libation to stones when venerating their deity?
Islam is idol worshipping pure and simple.


My friend, no God died for anybody. A God cannot die.
If U don't understand trinity, ask your Christian friends.


Which Qur'an are U memorising, the one Muhammed gave U or the one Uthman gave U?
Conversion is across all board. Muslims who becoming atheist or joining other religions their mind deem fit. Its a free world.
Islamic religion is the one that looks for apostate to stone to death.


The bible speaks for itself. U read it and know the truth.

Its the Qur'an that requires u to learn Arabic to fully understand it. But that's enough, the Qur'an cannot stand alone. It needs the hadiths to get it right. But since hadiths are not reliable, contradictory and confusion; a Muslim must also read the tafsir not to misread the Qur'an. But that's still not enoughe because at the end of the day, only the scholars can interpret the Qur'an. The rest of u just have to believe what they say.


We know the religion that was spread by the sword right from the start. And we know how the first Christians spread the gospel at the risk of the lives and neck.
I'm even surprised U mention Asia as Christian because the continent is predominantly Muslim, Hindu and Buddhism. Its only in the last 50 yrs that Christianity has made inroad into the region.
Anyway Christianity is an individual race, number counts for nothing. So many people claiming Christians that are better off as atheist or non believer.

I'm not here to drag my faith or yours- each to his own belief. My initial respond is to correct your erroneous impression that Christian regard Islam.
Apart from apologetics and polemics amongst us, the rest of Christians don't care about islam. We only know U guys are synonymous with terrorism, and U can kill for your prophet or Allah.
U guys are the ones that live and breath Christianity because that's the only way your religion makes sense- attack Christianity.

How you spewed all of this nonsense knowing you're deliberately misinforming people is what I don't understand about Christian evangelists in your overzealousness.


Anyone with common sense would know that a religion that emphasizes the unity of God wouldn't allow worshipping a stone. All your arguments are stale, cliche, and unfit for modern comparative discussions. You'll find answers to your dubious claims online. I won't be party to your attempt at wasting time.

i wish christians will know that jews are not their friend, it pains me see christians supporting israel, christians are only 2% of israel population, muslims are the second largest , our christians need to learn more about their religion instead of their hatred for muslims

ngozieet:
i wish christians will know that jews are not their friend, it pains me see christians supporting israel, christians are only 2% of israel population, muslims are the second largest , our christians need to learn more about their religion instead of their hatred for muslims

never we love Israel, nothing can stop that love.

And besides you won't see an Israeli chopping of Christians heads. But your Islamic breathens love killings with passion

Cancri:
never we love Israel, nothing can stop that love.

And besides you won't see an Israeli chopping of Christians heads. But your Islamic breathens love killings with passion

Ngozi is now a Muslim because she tell u truth, this show u doesn't know your religion

Cancri:
never we love Israel, nothing can stop that love.

And besides you won't see an Israeli chopping of Christians heads. But your Islamic breathens love killings with passion

You are naive. Extremists exist in every major religion. Christians and Zionists currently starving babies to death in Palestine, by your logic you're all baby-killing psychopaths.

elhakiimed:



How you spewed all of this nonsense knowing you're deliberately misinforming people is what I don't understand about Christian evangelists in your overzealousness.


Anyone with common sense would know that a religion that emphasizes the unity of God wouldn't allow worshipping a stone. All your arguments are stale, cliche, and unfit for modern comparative discussions. You'll find answers to your dubious claims online. I won't be party to your attempt at wasting time.

I dont have a problem if U insist U want to bow down to a stone or lick it. That's your religion.
But never in your life should U and fellow Muslims open your mouth waaa and call traditional worshippers pagans or idolaters because U are all in the same boat. Iru Kan Kan....

U even believe the stone can forgive your sins....

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”

Awon aborisa gbogbo, yet if Ogun worshippers venerate iron, Muslims will be shouting idolatry and fighting them.

U better sit down and use your native intelligence God gave U to think things through properly.
How can God say it's ok to bow down and lick a black stone in far way Saudi Arabia but same God is telling U it's evil to venerate sacred stones in your ancestral land.
How does that make sense Is he an Arabian God?

Look at these pictures and sincerely tell me who amongst them worshipping a stone and who is not?

SIRTee15:


I dont have a problem if U insist U want to bow down to a stone or lick it. That's your religion.
But never in your life should U and fellow Muslims open your mouth waaa and call traditional worshippers pagans or idolaters because U are all in the same boat. Iru Kan Kan....

U even believe the stone can forgive your sins....

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”

Awon aborisa gbogbo, yet if Ogun worshippers venerate iron, Muslims will be shouting idolatry and fighting them.

U better sit down and use your native intelligence God gave U to think things through properly.
How can God say it's ok to bow down and lick a black stone in far way Saudi Arabia but same God is telling U it's evil to venerate sacred stones in your ancestral land.
How does that make sense Is he an Arabian God?

Look at these pictures and sincerely tell me who amongst them worshipping a stone and who is not?

Again, deliberate attempt to misinform. If you can find one single Muslim that say they worship that stone, then we get talk.

elhakiimed:


Again, deliberate attempt to misinform. If you can find one single Muslim that say they worship that stone, then we get talk.

Don't mind their cherry picking the words of men they call hadith that goes against themselves and the Quran.

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “How can you worship besides Allah those who can neither harm nor benefit you? And Allah ˹alone˺ is the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.” Q5:76

He rebuked ˹them˺, “Do you then worship—instead of Allah—what can neither benefit nor harm you in any way? Q21:66

Ignoring other hadith

It was narrated that ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: “I know that you are only a stone which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.”

elhakiimed:


Again, deliberate attempt to misinform. If you can find one single Muslim that say they worship that stone, then we get talk.

It's not about what U say but your actions.
U can't be telling me it's wrong to pour libation for a stone but at the same time telling me it's ok to venerate and kiss the black stone in Mecca.
It doesn't make sense.

If fu disagree then tell me the difference btw the two below....

SIRTee15:


It's not about what U say but your actions.
U can't be telling me it's wrong to pour libation for a stone but at the same time telling me it's ok to venerate and kiss the black stone in Mecca.
It doesn't make sense.

If fu disagree then tell me the difference btw the two below....

Everything associated with our faith is beloved to us. For example, Our mosque, Friday prayers, the Kaaba etc. Doesn't mean we lose our minds if a lunatic wanders in and urinates in the mosque or the blackstone goes missing tomorrow, or the actual mecca Kaaba gets demolished.

The stone is considered one of the miracles in islam, like the spring of zam zam. We interact with these things because our prophet, (perfect peace be upon him) interacted with them in those way, while we know fully well those actions were merely symbolic and not worship.

Our prophet said it's from heaven and kissed it , so we do the same. Cause we love the prophet. and we'll continue to do so.

We don't worship anything except the creator of all things including you and I, and Jesus (whom you ignorantly worship). We worship nothing and no one but Allah.


In Sahih Bukhari

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.'

elhakiimed:


Everything associated with our faith is beloved to us. For example, Our mosque, Friday prayers, the Kaaba etc. Doesn't mean we lose our minds if a lunatic wanders in and urinates in the mosque or the blackstone goes missing tomorrow, or the actual mecca Kaaba gets demolished.

The stone is considered one of the miracles in islam, like the spring of zam zam. We interact with these things because our prophet, (perfect peace be upon him) interacted with them in those way, while we know fully well those actions were merely symbolic and not worship.

Our prophet said it's from heaven and kissed it , so we do the same. Cause we love the prophet. and we'll continue to do so.

We don't worship anything except the creator of all things including you and I, and Jesus (whom you ignorantly worship). We worship nothing and no one but Allah.


In Sahih Bukhari

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.'

All these are what Muhammed told U which is based on if he actually spoke to God and his revelations are true. He could be lying for all we care....

Same way traditional worshippers will tell U the pillar or stone they venerate is from heaven and Orunmila told them to pour libation on it. So how do we know they are lying?

FYI most traditional worshippers will tell U their god is the same as God of the bible and koran. That we worship same God.

The same way Allah sent the stone to Mecca is the same way Eledumare sent the stone to Yoruba people.

Therefore your claim that U lick the stone because it was sent by Allah is a subjective evidence.
To know the truth, we need an objective evidence.

An objective evidence will be God forbid any form stone veneration in any pattern. Either bow, kiss, lick, dance, circumnavigate or pouring libation. Any religion that venerate a stone during worship of God is practising paganism/idolatry- pure and simple.

This is the truth that will be valid either in Arabia or Africa, will transcend time and forever be objective.
And that's what God said in the bible....

“’Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God. Lev 26.1

The problem with Islam is they think the only other religion on earth is Christianity and maybe Judaism. So they presume if Islam is validated against the bible, they are good to go...bro U are in for a long ride.

elhakiimed:

You are naive. Extremists exist in every major religion. Christians and Zionists currently starving babies to death in Palestine, by your logic you're all baby-killing psychopaths.

By the word "EXTREMISTS" are you referring to religionists who cross the line to attack people that aren't obeying their God or religionists who stands out against what they don't believe?

MaxInDHouse:

By the word "EXTREMISTS" are you referring to religionists who cross the line to attack people that aren't obeying their God or religionists who stands out against what they don't believe?

Should people's religion make their lives or their kids lives any less important than yours?