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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Calitoscassius(m): 7:57pm On May 31
99thEnemy:

You should try peppered pork together with Guinness Extra Smooth. grin
Delicious with palm wine, Jeeeez! I was not a fan of pork until i tasted it at Enugu with palm wine. Man! I became a convert grin

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by tishbite42: 7:59pm On May 31
Dynamicboss:


Of course I mentioned France and I know France quickly fell to Germany hereby surrendering but the escaped French soldier from dunkirk collaborated with British to fight the German armies.

I agree with the other statement mentioned bro. Hitler is a paranoid human being. He got drunken with early war wins
Yeah, I know about the French Resistance in France and outside France. Charles De Gaulle and co.
But their contribution was insignificant to the scheme of things

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by 99thEnemy(m): 8:08pm On May 31
Calitoscassius:
Delicious with palm wine, Jeeeez! I was not a fan of pork until i tasted it at Enugu with palm wine. Man! I became a convert grin
Welcome on board bro grin
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Calitoscassius(m): 8:16pm On May 31
99thEnemy:

Welcome on board bro grin
Tankio!! Every evening i was driving around Enugu searching for some hot peppered roasted or BBQed pork. With chilled palm wine mixed with Guiness. grin
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by richeeyo(m): 8:22pm On May 31
Dpharisee:
Ukraine has been striking Russian targets with Western weapons for long, this approval changes nothing, Ukraine has lost the war, they keep losing territory daily to Russian forces, time to call for peaceful negotiations by Zelensky whose official tenure ended on May 20
Stop talking trash and absolutely bullshit about what you have no idea of typical nairalander
All 14 oil refineries taken out in Russia by Ukraine is done by Ukraine developed suicide drones
long-range missiles such as Scalp from France, Storm Shadow from the UK and ATACMS from the US as not been used in Russia fool

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Tetraozonaitera: 8:25pm On May 31
Matheusmartin:
...
The same people cheering Russia for attacking Ukraine, a sovereign nation even without prior provocation,are exactly the same people condemning Israel for retaliation after the October 7th attack.


To them,it's all about hatred for America and west and all her allies.

God bless you.

Just imagine. It shows how crazy and demonic the world has turned to.
They hail Russia for killing innocent Ukranians who never attacked Russia.

They blame Israel for defending and retaliating the gruesome killing of 1200 Israelis when Israel did not attack Palestine.

grin

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by 99thEnemy(m): 8:26pm On May 31
Calitoscassius:
Tankio!! Every evening i was driving around Enugu searching for some hot peppered roasted or BBQed pork. With chilled palm wine mixed with Guiness. grin
You need to visit Benue on a Vacation.


You go flex pork and booze tire. grin
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 8:42pm On May 31
Delacroix6:


As it is now, one can't even joke with the Polish military anymore.. They becoming a superpower on their own right.

Their morbid fear of Russia is driving their militarization. And Russian equally dislikes the polish. If Russia should invade NATO one of the country to first be attacked is Poland. But unlike Ukraine, Poland will be ready as they had been preparing.

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by akan102: 8:49pm On May 31
dalongjnr:
Hmm I trust Russia on this.
The response will be massive on Ukraine and the Ukrainian people.
In fact, Germany will also collect at the appropriate time.
When will that appropriate time be?
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 9:02pm On May 31
Enddy50ty:
This move will definitely put Putin under immerse on pressure on the decision of what to do next.

He’s gradually playing into the hands of the west, knowing other countries will follow suit, they’re just waiting on America 🇺🇸 to lead while they follow, it wasn’t even up to 48 hours ago when Biden admitted to giving consent for Ukraine 🇺🇦 to use American weapons to strike Russia 🇷🇺 now Germany 🇩🇪.

Pressure to attack western military installations in closer NATO countries?
Or hit supply depots in NATO borders close to western Ukraine (Poland) before they are sent to Ukraine?

In whatever cases Putin chooses this will be a direct confrontation of NATO and a declaration of war which no part wants, on the other hand NATO can keep supplying weapons to the Ukrainian unabated which can strike deep in Russian territories now. Russia has allow this to drag for so long without any adequate response to the Western support, hence any response now will but them at a public disadvantage...

Or maybe they view an attack on Russian soil using western weapons as an equivalent of Russia attacking NATO country hence counteracting also. If in that cases NATO should expect a direct confrontation from Russia striking directly into NATO territory.

If they fail to respond it indicate weakness in the Russia leadership and might cost Putin his support? Even with Russia knowing they can't afford an all out confrontation with the West.
This will also give Ukraine free will to attack Russia at will and wilms even Moscow wouldn't be spared (more unpopularity to Putin).

On the other hand if they attack NATO territory how will NATO respond?
Give strict warning and more economic sanction while preventing military escalation? (this seems nice as no part wants war but project NATO as weak).
Still use Ukraine as proxy supplying more arms and boasting Ukraine to attack Russia homeland the more?

Or in cases of Russian attacking certain NATO country like Poland,etc this leads to a limited NATO response where like Ukraine Poland will be supported to open up a new front against Russia leading exchanges of ballistic missile barrage from both sides as ground invasion seems unlikely?

What ever the case if this drag on for so long it either leads to a war of attraction, barrage and missiles from both sides which will eventually die down like Iran and Israel (most likely as no part want a full blown mobilization war)
OR
a full blown war (most unlikely)
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 9:07pm On May 31
Ezyp:


Fake man..

If na Israel kill people, will you write about end time?
Blood sucking demon claiming preacher

The guy is no different from terrorist celebrating the death of innocent civilians because they are against Israel. How's that different from terrorist celebrating mass bombing against the infidels all in name of religion?

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 9:11pm On May 31
frankson1:




If Russia had done to Ukraine what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, all would have been over now.

Even the US ran out of Iraq after years of laying siege.

If the West had your thinking, Russia would have been invaded long ago.

You people still thinking Russia has a secret blow they are withholding from Ukraine?
My guy Russia has thrown all they have at Ukraine, weapons, tanks, soldiers, everything with little painstaking gains.
The only thing being withheld is nuclear weapons

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 9:17pm On May 31
tishbite42:

Seems you have forgotten about WWII

Ww2 is not a 1v1 fight.
Germany fighting on multiple front(against allied forces) against an elusive soviet army. The soviet did not face the German at the early part of operation Barbosa if they did the entire soviet army would be wiped off, the few that did loss their entire command.
Credit to the soviet though, they ran deeper into Russian territories evading the German assault and allowing the German to stretch their supplies thin, while entrenching them into the deep Russia cold winter. The attrition had its tolls and German military same was used against napoleon.

Soviet tactics is not desired, if you feel sacrificing millions of your young men for the cause is termed a win well.

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 9:21pm On May 31
Raf4:


Without NATO, Germany can singlehandedly confront and finish off Russia. Remove nukes and Russia will become ordinary.
.

Germany is not as powerful as they were before. Now a smaller more professional fighting force, but who knows a full blown war might spur rapid militarization and Germany has the economy and industrial base to support massive militarization.

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 9:22pm On May 31
Akalia:
In a conventional war it will be 50:50. In a nuclear conflict between Germany and Russia, Germany will be obliterated into oblivion.
True
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 9:23pm On May 31
tnerro1:
Russia show declare Al queda as freedom fighters and surply them underground the fight the west, two can play that game nah
..
AL queda that recently carry out a terrorist attack killing hundreds of Russians?
Not thinkable

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 9:28pm On May 31
Johncarlo07:



🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ignoramus.
As it is tday, even d USA cannot defeat Russia in a full confrontational war!
Or why do u think d USA has been using covert attempt to weaken Russia? It sees Russia as its only threat wen it comes to warfare, nd China wen it comes to economy.

Ur nw talking of Germany 🤣🤣🤣
Wat is d landmass of Germany? How many standing army has Germany? Wat is d military capabilities of Germany currently compared to Russia? It soo called Leopard sophisticated tanks were ridiculed by d Russian army inside of Ukraine.

Small boy like u will Jst sit in ur daddy's sitting room, nd type nonsense at ur convenience 😂😂

It's not about what you have at first but your ability to rapidly shore up your capabilities?
Check both country gdp? Economic might? Industrial abilities? Population (fighting age male)? Ability to support a long term conflict?
Technology and world reach?

You'll see the Germans are no push over and some indices they came out on top, hence I'll say it's a fair fight 1v1.

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by tishbite42: 9:43pm On May 31
Simeonjoe1:


Ww2 is not a 1v1 fight.
Germany fighting on multiple front(against allied forces) against an elusive soviet army. The soviet did not face the German at the early part of operation Barbosa if they did the entire soviet army would be wiped off, the few that did loss their entire command.
Credit to the soviet though, they ran deeper into Russian territories evading the German assault and allowing the German to stretch their supplies thin, while entrenching them into the deep Russia cold winter. The attrition had its tolls and German military same was used against napoleon.

Soviet tactics is not desired, if you feel sacrificing millions of your young men for the cause is termed a win well.
All is fair in love and in war - Williams Shakespeare
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 9:45pm On May 31
Dynamicboss:


The siege of Leningrad accounted to one third of Russian death in WW2. While I acknowledged the gallantry of General Zhukov, etc., please note that Russia got a lot of weaponry supply from the west to cushion the war and avert their defeat. With US, Canada, Australia along with Britain and France, the new front line in Western Europe led to Germany fighting on two fronts and could no longer bear the intense heat.

Russia cannot match direct confrontation with Germany.
.

Apt.

At early part of the war Russia was in complete disarray. Logistics, brutal winter, psychology, Hitler egoistic status and failure to listen to his seasoned commander, attrition etc cost German the Eastern front.
While I'm not taking away the gallantry of soviet troops, the tides seems to change when the German becomes bugged down and a new front opens in the west. It boasted the soviets to press on the offensive and psychologically affect the German ability to fight back.

War is a 80% psychology.

In a scenario where the US did not invade and weapons are not supplied to the soviet union.
The Germans will still be bugged down and plagued with lots of logistic problem, the soviet might push them back a little but this will be very limited, Germany will likely settle down regroup, resupply with fresh troops and weapons and break soviet defence advancing into soviet territories. They would have secure their strategic objectives, which is securing soviet oil fields in the west and probable occupy Moscow, soviet would have pulled back deep into Siberia, organizing and mobilizing more troops. The Germans won't pursue deeper as it possess more disadvantages to them.
With insistent soviet attack, I don't see Germany holding up vast amounts of soviet territories they'll have retreated from Moscow and holding only a pocket strategic location which is closer and poses little logistics problems....

Summary
soviet military wouldnt be completely destroyed or deterred (they are very evasive).
Germany can't hold vast soviet territories for long so they'll give ground.

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by tishbite42: 9:48pm On May 31
Simeonjoe1:


It's not about what you have at first but your ability to rapidly shore up your capabilities?
Check both country gdp? Economic might? Industrial abilities? Population (fighting age male)? Ability to support a long term conflict?
Technology and world reach?

You'll see the Germans are no push over and some indices they came out on top, hence I'll say it's a fair fight 1v1.
Germans haven't fought any serious war since 1945
Highest, they are part of NATO coalitions
Russia has fought in Afghanistan, Chechnya and now Ukraine. They're a bit battle tested in comparison to the Germans
I fully agree with you about the capabilities of the Germans
Let's see how it goes
But I think Germany can only beat Russia conventionally on a neutral ground. They can't match to Moscow
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 9:55pm On May 31
tishbite42:

All is fair in love and in war - Williams Shakespeare

True though.
Maybe all win na win.
But throughout history I never really rated the Russian military as a powerful force, most conflict fought on home soil and they were not really a projectional force.
Even when they're confronted on their home soil they choose to run around sacrificing its cities and even its people instead of directly confronting the enemy.
Well if leads to victory in the long-term who I'm I.

But as honorable men of old would say, face me and fight me like a real man and stop scurrying away like a coward

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 9:58pm On May 31
tishbite42:

Germans haven't fought any serious war since 1945
Highest, they are part of NATO coalitions
Russia has fought in Afghanistan, Chechnya and now Ukraine. They're a bit battle tested in comparison to the Germans
I fully agree with you about the capabilities of the Germans
Let's see how it goes
But I think Germany can only beat Russia conventionally on a neutral ground. They can't match to Moscow

. Yes same as Russian. Being on the offensive puts you at a disadvantage. On neutral ground, conventional war.
It's a fair fight 1v1
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Simeonjoe1: 10:02pm On May 31
tishbite42:

Germans haven't fought any serious war since 1945
Highest, they are part of NATO coalitions
Russia has fought in Afghanistan, Chechnya and now Ukraine. They're a bit battle tested in comparison to the Germans
I fully agree with you about the capabilities of the Germans
Let's see how it goes
But I think Germany can only beat Russia conventionally on a neutral ground. They can't match to Moscow

Ukraine has never fought any war since ww2 but they're holding their own against Russia.

In fact no country had ever fought in a high end mobilization war since ww2 except probably US Korean and Vietnam War (which Is still not up to ww2 scale).
Sometimes necessity just means you just have to do it

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Calitoscassius(m): 10:17pm On May 31
99thEnemy:

You need to visit Benue on a Vacation.


You go flex pork and booze tire. grin
I will. grin
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by tnerro1(m): 10:52pm On May 31
Simeonjoe1:
..
AL queda that recently carry out a terrorist attack killing hundreds of Russians?
Not thinkable

That was not Al queda, even the Russians said it themselves, they know who planned the attack
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by 02Kebreal(m): 10:56pm On May 31
Righteousness2:
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The World is Heading Full auto speed to Armaggedon
The 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse are Galloping to pounce on the Earth.

The KING OF kings is about to Show up in the skies.
If you Value your Soul in Eternity, Settle the Matter of your Soul now that you Have the opportunity.
The next Moment is not Guaranteed.
JESUS CHRIST is coming



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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Raf4: 11:05pm On May 31
tishbite42:

Even the Americans will laugh silly at your assertions
Apart from a few tanks and stuff, the Americans didn't do anything for the Soviets
The Soviets practically fought with their lives
Have you heard about the term 'meat grinder'?
They lost over 22 million souls
They threw in bodies to win those decisive battles
Read the Marshal of Victory by Zhukov, Lost Victories by von Manstein

Are you now denying the allied forces of Britain+France +Poland+US+etc that all faced Germany at the same time and eventually saved USSR sorry asss from being pummelled to oblivion?

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by justmondris: 12:07am On Jun 01
nerde:
Europe are united against Russia as far as this war is concerned

They hate the fact that they are still paying for Russia oil instead of exploiting it like the Iran oil

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by Burgerlomo: 12:08am On Jun 01
Enddy50ty:
This move will definitely put Putin under immerse pressure on the decision of what to do next.

He’s gradually playing into the hands of the west, knowing other countries will follow suit, they’re just waiting on America 🇺🇸 to lead while they follow, it wasn’t even up to 48 hours ago when Biden admitted to giving consent for Ukraine 🇺🇦 to use American weapons to strike Russia 🇷🇺 now Germany 🇩🇪.
Put In or what his name cannot be destroying Ukraine and expect Ukraine not to strike Russia too

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Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by rockyh(m): 1:42am On Jun 01
richeeyo:
kiss
But haven't you figured out that Russia was not the mighty military the west calculated
In their current state they can't win any war
akuko
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by rockyh(m): 1:44am On Jun 01
Impliment:


How? Russia and Germany who is stronger? Remember Putin can't fight from all fronts. He is still battling small Ukraine since 2 years now. Confrontation with Germany is a suicide mission for Russia for now. Germany don't want to confront Russia because of humanitarian crisis it will cause.
small Ukraine and it's world power backing
Re: Germany Allows Ukraine To Strike Targets Inside Russia With German Weapons by ViceGovernor: 2:18am On Jun 01
Akalia:
In a conventional war it will be 50:50. In a nuclear conflict between Germany and Russia, Germany will be obliterated into oblivion.
Kindly leave all those babies saying things they have zero knowledge about.

Ukraine is still standing today because of Vladimir Putin’s magnanimity, the man still sees them as his prodigal son that is why he is yet to use Russia full military power on them.

The nuclear weapons of Germany, and 4 other nations combined is not up to half of what Russia has and some monkeys are thinking Germany will defeat Russia in war.
Even US Dey use their brain when it comes to Russia and nukes.

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