Of course Jesus forgot to tell his anyone directly that they must believe he died for their sins to be saved!

Jesus preached to his disciples, to crowds (sometimes in thousands, don't bother who did the head count), to Pharisees and Religious Leaders, to Sinners and Tax Collectors, to Jews in synagogues and other Jewish settings and Gentiles (e.g. the Samaritan woman).

Never for once did he tell anyone they have to believe in his death to be saved!

But then Paul happened!

Romans 10:8-12
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”

Paul as usual misquoting Devarim 30:14 totally out of context!
But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may obey it.

Where can we find “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.” in the scriptures?

Definitely not Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic. Isaiah 28:16

Back to where we diverted from, Jesus never told anyone to believe he's gonna die to save the world!
Paul did!
The Nicaea Creed did!

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

"what did Jesus forgot"? Bad English. Go to school and stop fooling around

AntiChristian:
Of course Jesus forgot to tell his anyone directly that they must believe he died for their sins to be saved!

Jesus preached to his disciples, to crowds (sometimes in thousands, don't bother who did the head count), to Pharisees and Religious Leaders, to Sinners and Tax Collectors, to Jews in synagogues and other Jewish settings and Gentiles (e.g. the Samaritan woman).

Never for once did he tell anyone they have to believe in his death to be saved!

But then Paul happened!

Romans 10:8-12
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”

Paul as usual misquoting Devarim 30:14 totally out of context!
But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may obey it.

Where can we find “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.” in the scriptures?

Definitely not Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic. Isaiah 28:16

Back to where we diverted from, Jesus never told anyone to believe he's gonna die to save the world!
Paul did!
The Nicaea Creed did!

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

"what did Jesus forgot"? Bad English. Go to school and stop fooling around

sleek214:


"what did Jesus forgot"? Bad English. Go to school and stop fooling around

That can be corrected!
And upon all your schooling are you getting closer to Dangote or even Classless Portable?

English is my Lingua franca not my mother tongue!
When you rate me according to my proficiency in English, do you rate your parents like that?
Go home as you lack home training!

AntiChristian:
Of course Jesus forgot to tell his anyone directly that they must believe he died for their sins to be saved!

Jesus preached to his disciples, to crowds (sometimes in thousands, don't bother who did the head count), to Pharisees and Religious Leaders, to Sinners and Tax Collectors, to Jews in synagogues and other Jewish settings and Gentiles (e.g. the Samaritan woman).

Never for once did he tell anyone they have to believe in his death to be saved!

But then Paul happened!

Romans 10:8-12
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”

Paul as usual misquoting Devarim 30:14 totally out of context!
But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may obey it.

Where can we find “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.” in the scriptures?

Definitely not Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic. Isaiah 28:16

Back to where we diverted from, Jesus never told anyone to believe he's gonna die to save the world!
Paul did!
The Nicaea Creed did!

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

The words of Jesus in John 3:16-18


For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who ever believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.


For he sent his son not to codemn the world but save the world.


He that believeth on him is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already ( anti Christian you're condemned already) because he had not believe in the name of the son of God.

Lawag3:


The words of Jesus in John 3:16-18

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who ever believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

For he sent his son not to codemn the world but save the world.

He that believeth on him is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already ( anti Christian you're condemned already) because he had not believe in the name of the son of God.

Did Jesus say he will die for your sins and you must believe in his death to be saved?

All the above is just pure nonsense!
Muslims believe in Jesus!
You don't believe in Muhammad!

Where did Jesus say anyone should believe he died for their sins to be saved?

AntiChristian:
Of course Jesus forgot to tell his anyone directly that they must believe he died for their sins to be saved!

Jesus preached to his disciples, to crowds (sometimes in thousands, don't bother who did the head count), to Pharisees and Religious Leaders, to Sinners and Tax Collectors, to Jews in synagogues and other Jewish settings and Gentiles (e.g. the Samaritan woman).

Never for once did he tell anyone they have to believe in his death to be saved!

But then Paul happened!

Romans 10:8-12
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”

Paul as usual misquoting Devarim 30:14 totally out of context!
But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may obey it.

Where can we find “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.” in the scriptures?

Definitely not Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic. Isaiah 28:16

Back to where we diverted from, Jesus never told anyone to believe he's gonna die to save the world!
Paul did!
The Nicaea Creed did!

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

Lame attempt indeed but it still doesn't help the case that Islam is a religion whose foundation is LIES and if you are not careful, you will die before knowing the truth: by that time unfortunately, it is too late for you.

1. Jesus clearly stated that His Blood will be shed for the forgiveness of sins for many
Mat 26:28:
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

What is the purpose of the blood of Jesus?

2. Jesus explained how it will be done by comparing salvation from Sin with salvation from the judgement of the serpents as found in Numbers 21:8-9

John 3:10-17
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.


Jesus after His resurrection spoke these words to His disciples
Luk 24:44-47:
"And he said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said to them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

3. Jesus final charge to His disciples after His resurrection was to clearly explain to them why it was important that the Messiah should be killed
Luk 24:44-47:
"And he said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said to them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

But of course:
Satan says that Jesus was neither Crucified nor Killed.
SInce he said it, gullible people have believed him not knowing that they have been mislead by satan.
Till today, we are asking the questions
1. Who was crucified instead of Jesus
2. WHy did Allah deceive Mary, the Apostles and All the disciples of Jesus?
3. In whose presence did Jesus go to heaven?

Donkeys and children of perdition do not have any answer for their conjectures and they have to manufacture tales like their prophet to coverup.


I guess Paul also wrote the Gospels where Jesus Blood attones for the sin of the world.

According to you, It was Paul who said:
John 1:29
"Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

Check another verse by Paul

1 John 1:7.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin

I guess that Paul also wrote these two scriptures below
Revelation 1:5
5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,

Revelation 7:14
14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb

I guess Paul wrote this verse for Peter

1 Peter 1:18-19
18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors,
19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect


Go face your self delusion prepared by Mohammed aka Allah and ask the questions I am asking you to be free

AntiChristian:


Did Jesus say he will die for your sins and you must believe in his death to be saved?

All the above is just pure nonsense!
Muslims believe in Jesus!
You don't believe in Muhammad!

Where did Jesus say anyone should believe he died for their sins to be saved?

Your prophet is a vile man who was shameless to enter the house of Zainab when her husband wasn't at home and covet her. Is this act lawful for any Muslim to enter the house of a married Muslim man when the husband is not at home?

A shameless man who was caught pants down on top of Mary the Copt. Or is Mary one of the wives of Mohammed? How come she gave birth to Ibrahim for Mohammed?

I forgot that illegal sex doesn't prevent Muslims from entering paradise!

AntiChristian:
■ But then Paul happened![/b] Romans 10:8-12
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”
Paul as usual misquoting Devarim 30:14 totally out of context!
But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may obey it.
■ Where can we find “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.” in the scriptures?
Definitely not Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic. Isaiah 28:16

1. Paul did not misquote Deuteronomy 30 vs 14 as the image below shows.

2. Neither did Paul misquote Isaiah 28 vs 16. He quoted the same verse from the Septuagint instead.

AntiChristian:
■ Of course Jesus forgot to tell his anyone directly that they must believe he died for their sins to be saved!
Jesus preached to his disciples, to crowds (sometimes in thousands, don't bother who did the head count), to Pharisees and Religious Leaders, to Sinners and Tax Collectors, to Jews in synagogues and other Jewish settings and Gentiles (e.g. the Samaritan woman).
Never for once did he tell anyone they have to believe in his death to be saved!
But then Paul happened!

Interesting claim by your person really!

● A major requirement for salvation in Jesus Christ is complete trust in the person of Jesus Christ as well as belief in Him, His teachings, and commandments. In John 14 vs 1, Jesus said, “Don’t be troubled. Trust in God, and trust in me. In John 5 vs 24, He said, “I assure you, anyone who hears what I say and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life(born-again). They will not be judged guilty. They have already left death and have entered into life(born-again)."
● The same Jesus Christ prophesied of his death in Matthew 12 vs 40, Mark 8:31-33, Mark 9 vs 30-32, Mark 10 vs 32-34, Matthew 17 vs 22–23 & Luke 9 vs 43–45 & John 10 vs 7-18 & Luke 18 vs 31-34 & Luke 9 vs 21-22.

Surely, anyone who claims to trust and believe in Jesus Christ ought also to believe everything Jesus Christ said regarding His death and resurrection. Anyone who trusts in God and Jesus Christ ought also to trust that everything Jesus Christ said of His death and resurrection is nothing but the Truth of God. Or do you not see this at all?

Now, of course, being born-again does not mean the same as being saved from one's sins which I suspect is what you are instead driving at.

P.S. This response isn't meant as a form of support for the Niceans and their creeds. My response is merely to present facts as stated in Scripture in response to your questions.

Kobojunkie:
Interesting claim by your person really!

● A major requirement for salvation in Jesus Christ is complete trust in the person of Jesus Christ as well as belief in Him, His teachings, and commandments. In John 14 vs 1, Jesus said, “Don’t be troubled. Trust in God, and trust in me. In John 5 vs 24, He said, “I assure you, anyone who hears what I say and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life(born-again). They will not be judged guilty. They have already left death and have entered into life(born-again)."
● The same Jesus Christ prophesied of his death in Matthew 12 vs 40, Mark 8:31-33, Mark 9 vs 30-32, Mark 10 vs 32-34, Matthew 17 vs 22–23 & Luke 9 vs 43–45 & John 10 vs 7-18 & Luke 18 vs 31-34 & Luke 9 vs 21-22.

Surely, anyone who claims to trust and believe in Jesus Christ ought also to believe everything Jesus Christ said regarding His death and resurrection. Anyone who trusts in God and Jesus Christ ought also to trust that everything Jesus Christ said of His death and resurrection is nothing but the Truth of God. Or do you not see this at all?

Now, of course, being born-again does not mean the same as being saved from one's sins which I suspect is what you are instead driving at.

P.S. This response isn't meant as a form of support for the Niceans and their creeds. My response is merely to present facts as stated in Scripture in response to your questions.

Simple and unambiguous question!
Where exactly did Jesus mandates the believe in his death and resurrection as a means of salvation?

Kobojunkie:
1. Paul did not misquote Deuteronomy 30 vs 14 as the image below shows.

2. Neither did Paul misquote Isaiah 28 vs 16. He quoted the same verse from the Septuagint instead.

Of course he did misquote the scriptures. If you claim the misquote is not textual then move to contextual!

Paul is a big culprit on that!

What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures?

TenQ:

Your prophet is a vile man who was shameless to enter the house of Zainab when her husband wasn't at home and covet her. Is this act lawful for any Muslim to enter the house of a married Muslim man when the husband is not at home?

A shameless man who was caught pants down on top of Mary the Copt. Or is Mary one of the wives of Mohammed? How come she gave birth to Ibrahim for Mohammed?

I forgot that illegal sex doesn't prevent Muslims from entering paradise!

K.

TenQ:


1. Jesus clearly stated that His Blood will be shed for the forgiveness of sins for many
Mat 26:28:
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

What is the purpose of the blood of Jesus?

They were drinking wine and Matthew called it blood! Is blood not expressly forbidden as an everlasting covenant in Deuteronomy 12:16? And Jesus's Jewish disciples are drinking wine which is metaphorically blood? They must have been ignorant of those laws!

2. Jesus explained how it will be done by comparing salvation from Sin with salvation from the judgement of the serpents as found in Numbers 21:8-9

John 3:10-17
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

How does this mandates anyone to believe in his death to be save? Some Prophets including John the Baptist have been condemned and killed! Wetin do their blood?

Jesus after His resurrection spoke these words to His disciples
Luk 24:44-47:
"And he said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said to them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

Where is it written in the Law of Moses, in the Prophets and Psalms the name Christ that is to suffer and rise from the dead the third day? And Where is Jesus mandating people to believe in his death to be saved?

I guess Paul also wrote the Gospels where Jesus Blood attones for the sin of the world.

According to you, It was Paul who said:
John 1:29
"Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

"The Lamb of God" can be a Prophet who makes others repent.

God sent Jonah to Nineveh and they repented of their sins! Jonah is the Lamb of God! He doesn't need to be killed to take away the sins of Nineveh!

Check another verse by Paul

1 John 1:7.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin

Na Jesus talk this one?

I guess that Paul also wrote these two scriptures below
Revelation 1:5
5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,

Revelation 7:14
14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb

I guess Paul wrote this verse for Peter

1 Peter 1:18-19
18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors,
19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect

You can reply when you are less frustrated!
Bring where Jesus mandated people to believe in his death to be saved!

Jesus preached to his disciples, to crowds (sometimes in thousands, don't bother who did the head count), to Pharisees and Religious Leaders, to Sinners and Tax Collectors, to Jews in synagogues and other Jewish settings and Gentiles (e.g. the Samaritan woman).

Who among them did he tell to believe in his death to be saved!

AntiChristian:

Of course he did misquote the scriptures. If you claim the misquote is not textual then move to contextual!
Paul is a big culprit on that!

In this particular case, the evidence clearly shows that Paul did not misquote any of the two passages you accuse him of.

AntiChristian:
■ Simple and unambiguous question! Where exactly did Jesus mandates the believe in his death and resurrection as a means of salvation?

I gave you more than five references there from within the Gospels where He did. But seems to me you are only interested in arguing from point of ignorance here. To believe in Jesus Christ means, and this is from all that He said in Scripture, to accept all of Him— His teachings and commandments; it is clear in His Gospel that for one to be saved, one must believe/accept Him — all of Him, not some.

AntiChristian:
They were drinking wine and Matthew called it blood! Is blood not expressly forbidden as an everlasting covenant in Deuteronomy 12:16? And Jesus's Jewish disciples are drinking wine which is metaphorically blood? They must have been ignorant of those laws!

This is how you will argue yourself into hell fire. Indeed the wine was metaphorical for the real blood.
So, can you please Explain how the wine of Jesus was shed for the forgiveness of sin!

AntiChristian:

How does this mandates anyone to believe in his death to be save? Some Prophets including John the Baptist have been condemned and killed! Wetin do their blood?

Where is it written in the Law of Moses, in the Prophets and Psalms the name Christ that is to suffer and rise from the dead the third day? And Where is Jesus mandating people to believe in his death to be saved?

Did Jesus die on the cross or not?

AntiChristian:

"The Lamb of God" can be a Prophet who makes others repent.
God sent Jonah to Nineveh and they repented of their sins! Jonah is the Lamb of God! He doesn't need to be killed to take away the sins of Nineveh!

Show me anywhere in the scripture where any prophet was called a Lamb?

AntiChristian:

Na Jesus talk this one?

Did you not say that it was Paul and the Council at Nacea that claimed that Jesus Blood was for atonement for sin?
You said:

Back to where we diverted from, Jesus never told anyone to believe he's gonna die to save the world!
Paul did!
The Nicaea Creed did!

I have Just shown you Peter and John and at least four passages.
Shouldn't you apologize for false statements?

AntiChristian:

You can reply when you are less frustrated!
Bring where Jesus mandated people to believe in his death to be saved!

Jesus preached to his disciples, to crowds (sometimes in thousands, don't bother who did the head count), to Pharisees and Religious Leaders, to Sinners and Tax Collectors, to Jews in synagogues and other Jewish settings and Gentiles (e.g. the Samaritan woman).

Who among them did he tell to believe in his death to be saved!

Is the only message of Jesus according to Islam not preaching about the oneness of Allah!?
Did Jesus preach any other things apart from this?


Why don't you explain these scriptures:
1. Mat 26:28:
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
What is the purpose of the blood of Jesus?

2. John 3:10-17
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.


3. Luke 24:44-47:
"And he said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said to them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."
After you have done justice to explaining what these three verses mean, call back.


At least I have shown you that Allah is very much a limited ONE like Iblis. He is neither Omnipotent not Omniscience nor Omnipresent. No argument here can change the fact that you worship a Deity unknown to Moses not Abraham nor any of the prophet of old.

AntiChristian:

What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures?
K.

Again, even though You hate the truth

Your prophet is a vile man who was shameless to enter the house of Zainab when her husband wasn't at home and covet her. Is this act lawful for any Muslim to enter the house of a married Muslim man when the husband is not at home?

A shameless man who was caught pants down on top of Mary the Copt. Or is Mary one of the wives of Mohammed? How come she gave birth to Ibrahim for Mohammed?

I forgot that illegal sex doesn't prevent Muslims from entering paradise!

Mohammed is just an opportunistic son of satan using 419 to mislead people for wealth, women and food.

Is it untrue that Mohammed serves satan?

Kobojunkieee:
I gave you more than five references there from within the Gospels where He did. To believe means to accept all of Him, and He made clear that one to be saved one must believe/accept Him as He is -- all of Him.

I am being particular as to where Jesus himself mandates salvation to be through the belief in his death!

I believe in Jesus as a Prophet sent to the Children of Israel just as Moses and others were sent but i disbelieve in his crucifixion and death!

I believe he was raised up body and soul!

Kobojunkieee:
In this particular case, the evidence clearly shows that Paul did not misquote any of the two passages you accuse him of.

He did.

Can you see any contextual similarity in the quotes?

AntiChristian:
■ I am being particular as to where Jesus himself mandates salvation to be through the belief in his death! I believe in Jesus as a Prophet sent to the Children of Israel just as Moses and others were sent but i disbelieve in his crucifixion and death! I believe he was raised up body and soul!

The acceptance of His Gospel is a mandate for anyone who chooses Him. Belief in Him — His teachings and commandments — is equally a mandate for anyone who wishes to be saved by Him. So, why the nitpicking? What do you hope to gain by it since that is clearly a sort of argument by nitpicking here?

AntiChristian:
■ He did. Can you see any contextual similarity in the quotes?

Now you are intentionally not making sense! Of course, contextual similarity exists since Paul spoke those words regarding the same entities referenced by both prophets.

Kobojunkieee:
The acceptance of His Gospel is a mandate for anyone who chooses Him. Belief in Him — His teachings and commandments — is equally a mandate for anyone who wishes to be saved by Him. So, why the nitpicking? What do you hope to gain by it since that is clearly a sort of argument by nitpicking here?

So he didn't say anyone should believe in his death to be saved?

He met one rich man who asked him about eternal life. The summary of what he told him was to obey the commandments and follow him jettisoning all he owns! Why didn't Jesus tell him to believe in his death?

K.

TenQ:

Again, even though You hate the truth

Your prophet is a vile man who was shameless to enter the house of Zainab when her husband wasn't at home and covet her. Is this act lawful for any Muslim to enter the house of a married Muslim man when the husband is not at home?

A shameless man who was caught pants down on top of Mary the Copt. Or is Mary one of the wives of Mohammed? How come she gave birth to Ibrahim for Mohammed?

I forgot that illegal sex doesn't prevent Muslims from entering paradise!

Mohammed is just an opportunistic son of satan using 419 to mislead people for wealth, women and food.

Is it untrue that Mohammed serves satan?

Kobojunkieee:
Now you are intentionally not making sense! Of course, contextual similarity exists since Paul spoke those words regarding the same entities referenced by both prophets.

Just show us the contextual similarities please!

AntiChristian:
■ So he didn't say anyone should believe in his death to be saved?
■ He met one rich man who asked him about eternal life. The summary of what he told him was to obey the commandments and follow him jettisoning all he owns! Why didn't Jesus tell him to believe in his death?

He did!

2. Try to pay attention to the details of what Jesus Christ instead said. There were, at that time, two paths towards Eternal life which is what the man had initially asked for.

16 A man came to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to have eternal life?”
17 Jesus answered, “Why do you ask me about what is good? Only God is good. But if you want to have eternal life, obey the law’s commands.”
18 The man asked, “Which ones?”Jesus answered, “‘You must not murder anyone, you must not commit adultery, you must not steal, you must not tell lies about others,
19 you must respect your father and mother,’[e] and ‘love your neighbor[f] the same as you love yourself.’[g]”
20 The young man said, “I have obeyed all these commands. What else do I need?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, then go and sell all that you own. Give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven. Then come and follow me!”
22 But when the young man heard Jesus tell him to give away his money, he was sad. He didn’t want to do this, because he was very rich. So he left. - Matthew 19 vs 16 - 22

The Old Law of Moses offered Eternal Life to those who obeyed it too — Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. So, if the man had obeyed the Old Law, he would have obtained Eternal Life after death. However, the man desired more than just Eternal life as offered by the Old Law of Moses and that was where Jesus Christ offered Him a chance to become one of His followers. To follow Jesus Christ is as made clear to accept Jesus Christ — His teachings and commandments — and this includes accepting His death and resurrection as well.

AntiChristian:
■ Just show us the contextual similarities please!

You first! Show us the contextual dissimilarities you claim.

AntiChristian:
K.

You hate the truth

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3960
It was narrated from 'Ubadah bin Al-Walid bin 'Ubadah bin As-Samit that 'Aishah said:
"I looked for the Messenger of Allah and I put my hand on his hair." He said: "Your Shaitan has come to you. " I said: "Don't you have a Shaitan?" He said: "Yes, but Allah helped me with him, so he submitted."


Mishkat al-Masabih 67
Ibn Mas'ud reported God's messenger as saying, “There is none of you who does not have his partner from among the jinn and his partner from among the angels put in charge of him.” The hearers asked, “Does this also apply to you, messenger of God?” He replied, “It applies to me too, but God has helped me against him and he has accepted Islam, so he commands me to do only what is good.”


Sahih Muslim 2814 a
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.

AntiChristian:
Of course Jesus forgot to tell his anyone directly that they must believe he died for their sins to be saved!

Jesus preached to his disciples, to crowds (sometimes in thousands, don't bother who did the head count), to Pharisees and Religious Leaders, to Sinners and Tax Collectors, to Jews in synagogues and other Jewish settings and Gentiles (e.g. the Samaritan woman).

Never for once did he tell anyone they have to believe in his death to be saved!

But then Paul happened!

Romans 10:8-12
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”

Paul as usual misquoting Devarim 30:14 totally out of context!
But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may obey it.

Where can we find “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.” in the scriptures?

Definitely not Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic. Isaiah 28:16

Back to where we diverted from, Jesus never told anyone to believe he's gonna die to save the world!
Paul did!
The Nicaea Creed did!

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

This is why you and your Islamic enthusiasts are wrong. You would ever be!

From Genesis to Revelation is a thought coḿunicated to humanity. Especially, those of us that are called to salvation.

If you want to be sincere, Jesus after resurrection, commissioned Paul and taught him what he taught and wrote.
Mind you, all he wrote were not all he knew.

When Jesus was about to be crucified ( crucified as witnessed by Jews and Roman soldiers, not 'revelation' of Mohammed) told His disciples, that He had many things to tell them but they would not understand. Part of what He wanted to tell them included His death and resurrection. He taught Cleopas on their way to Emmaus. Then, He appointed Paul who was proficient in the Old Testament books to explain.

When you take a scripture and without the pretext and postext, you mislead yourself. And, because you are conceited, you believe you know. You are just an ignoramus.


As an Islamic wrong teacher and commentator, the more you are acting one man show, the more you are showing abysmal ignorance of the scriptures as your mentors.

There is no other way to God than Jesus. Christianity is the only approved way to God.

TenQ:

You hate the truth

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3960
It was narrated from 'Ubadah bin Al-Walid bin 'Ubadah bin As-Samit that 'Aishah said:
"I looked for the Messenger of Allah and I put my hand on his hair." He said: "Your Shaitan has come to you." I said: "Don't you have a Shaitan?" He said: "Yes, but Allah helped me with him, so he submitted."


Mishkat al-Masabih 67
Ibn Mas'ud reported God's messenger as saying, “There is none of you who does not have his partner from among the jinn and his partner from among the angels put in charge of him.” The hearers asked, “Does this also apply to you, messenger of God?” He replied, “It applies to me too, but God has helped me against him and he has accepted Islam, so he commands me to do only what is good.”


Sahih Muslim 2814 a
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.

Hello friend. Quite an age.
You remind me of the satanic verses cast into Mohammed's revelation.
Who even knows whether all his revelation is from Satan?

MightySparrow:



Hello friend. Quite an age.
You remind me of the satanic verses cast into Mohammed's revelation.
Who even knows whether all his revelation is from Satan?

All the good part of the Qur'an is certainly from Shaitan. Mohammed has succeeded in converting him to a Muslim.

Mohammed is the most successful 419 in history till date. Muslim clerics and leaders are still benefiting from his business empire till today.
This is why Islam has to be sustained with LIES upon lies to keep on existing.


A Schizophrenic man who was delirious for almost a year on the excuse of being under the influence of Black Magic (from satan) and hears Jibril speak like a bell and donkey and could bow down to the three daughters of Allah cannot be less than the son of satan himself.

TenQ:

All the good part of the Qur'an is certainly from Shaitan. Mohammed has succeeded in converting him to a Muslim.

Mohammed is the most successful 419 in history till date. Muslim clerics and leaders are still benefiting from his business empire till today.
This is why Islam has to be sustained with LIES upon lies to keep on existing.


A Schizophrenic man who was delirious for almost a year on the excuse of being under the influence of Black Magic (from satan) and hears Jibril speak like a bell and donkey and could bow down to the three daughters of Allah cannot be less than the son of satan himself.

You got it brother. Can you see the reason I call Islam LIELAM?

Allah had three daughters but cannot have a son. . Oh the ayat off thee daughters is cast by Satan.


Mohammed had his revelations from greed (Moneylam); sex (Sexlam),and political lies using divinity to control people.
That fellow is an undisputed generational crook.

The more you research into his life and lifestyle, the more you will discover he didn't have anything with the God of Israel. No single prophet from Israel is immoral as this fellow.

His greed, lust, and crave for rulership sent him to Arabs.