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Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 8:52am On Jun 07
MightySparrow:


From Genesis to Revelation is a thought coḿunicated to humanity. Especially, those of us that are called to salvation.

If you want to be sincere, Jesus after resurrection, commissioned Paul and taught him what he taught and wrote.
Mind you, all he wrote were not all he knew.

When Jesus was about to be crucified ( crucified as witnessed by Jews and Roman soldiers, not 'revelation' of Mohammed) told His disciples, that He had many things to tell them but they would not understand. Part of what He wanted to tell them included His death and resurrection. He taught Cleopas on their way to Emmaus. Then, He appointed Paul who was proficient in the Old Testament books to explain.

When you take a scripture and without the pretext and postext, you mislead yourself. And, because you are conceited, you believe you know. You are just an ignoramus.

There is no other way to God than Jesus. Christianity is the only approved way to God.


Where did Jesus for once told anyone to believe in his death to be saved?

Jesus forgot!
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 9:07am On Jun 07
TenQ:

You hate the truth

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3960
It was narrated from 'Ubadah bin Al-Walid bin 'Ubadah bin As-Samit that 'Aishah said:
"I looked for the Messenger of Allah and I put my hand on his hair." He said: "Your Shaitan has come to you. " I said: "Don't you have a Shaitan?" He said: "Yes, but Allah helped me with him, so he submitted."



Mishkat al-Masabih 67
Ibn Mas'ud reported God's messenger as saying, “There is none of you who does not have his partner from among the jinn and his partner from among the angels put in charge of him.” The hearers asked, “Does this also apply to you, messenger of God?” He replied, “It applies to me too, but God has helped me against him and he has accepted Islam, so he commands me to do only what is good.”



Sahih Muslim 2814 a
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.
K.
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 9:14am On Jun 07
Kobojunkieee:
You first! Show us the contextual dissimilarities you claim. lipsrsealed

You brought the counter claim! So the burden of proof should be from you!
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 9:17am On Jun 07
Kobojunkieee:
He did! undecided

2. Try to pay attention to the details of what Jesus Christ instead said. There were, at that time, two paths towards Eternal life which is what the man had initially asked for. lipsrsealed
The Old Law of Moses offered Eternal Life to those who obeyed it too — Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. So, if the man had obeyed the Old Law, he would have obtained Eternal Life after death. However, the man desired more than just Eternal life as offered by the Old Law of Moses and that was where Jesus Christ offered Him a chance to become one of His followers. To follow Jesus Christ is as made clear to accept Jesus Christ — His teachings and commandments — and this includes accepting His death and resurrection as well. grin

I like you! You sabi argue!

But Jesus did not tell anyone in the Bible to believe in his death to be saved!
Moses had followers!
Many other Prophets had too!
Following them or their teachings does not mean they should believe in their deaths as their deaths had no significance just like Jesus's!
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by MightySparrow: 9:50am On Jun 07
AntiChristian:


Where did Jesus for once told anyone to believe in his death to be saved?

Jesus forgot!

Read Gospel according to Luke. By the time you read from chapter one to the end, you will find out.
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by Kobojunkie: 4:07pm On Jun 07
AntiChristian:
■ I like you! You sabi argue! But Jesus did not tell anyone in the Bible to believe in his death to be saved!
■ Moses had followers! Many other Prophets had too! Following them or their teachings does not mean they should believe in their deaths as their deaths had no significance just like Jesus's!
1. Look argument by nitpicking is a logical fallacy. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

2. Moses did not have any followers. The passage below more than reveals the very reason why the children of Israel eventually went out into the desert with Moses. It was not because of Moses but because of the God of their ancestors. undecided
1 Then Moses said to God, “But the Israelites will not believe me when I tell them that you sent me. They will say, ‘The Lord[a] did not appear to you.’”
2 But the Lord said to Moses, “What is that you have in your hand?” Moses answered, “It is my walking stick.”
3 Then God said, “Throw your walking stick on the ground.” So Moses threw his walking stick on the ground, and it became a snake. Moses ran from it,
4 but the Lord said to him, “Reach out and grab the snake by its tail.” When Moses reached out and caught the snake’s tail, the snake became a walking stick again.
5 Then God said, “Use your stick in this way, and the people will believe that you saw the Lord, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.”
6 Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will give you another proof. Put your hand under your robe.” So Moses opened his robe and put his hand inside. Then he brought his hand out of the robe and it was changed. His hand was covered with spots that were white like snow.
7 Then God said, “Now put your hand into your robe again.” So Moses put his hand into his robe again. Then he brought his hand out, and his hand was changed. Now his hand was good again, as it was before.
8 Then God said, “If the people don’t believe you when you use your walking stick, then they will believe you when you show them this sign.
9 If they still refuse to believe after you show them both of these signs, then take some water from the Nile River. Pour the water on the ground, and as soon as it touches the ground, it will become blood.”
10 Then Moses said to the Lord, “But, Lord, I am telling you, I am not a good speaker. I have never been able to speak well. And that hasn’t changed since you started talking to me. I am still not a good speaker. You know that I speak slowly and don’t use the best words.”
11 Then the Lord said to him, “Who made a person’s mouth? And who can make someone deaf or not able to speak? Who can make a person blind? Who can make a person able to see? I am the one. I am the Lord.
12 So go. I will be with you when you speak. I will give you the words to say.”
13 But Moses said, “My Lord, I beg you to send someone else, not me.”
14 Then the Lord became angry with Moses and said, “All right! I’ll give you someone to help you. Aaron the Levite is your brother, isn’t he? He is a good speaker. In fact, Aaron is already coming to meet you, and he will be happy to see you.
15 I will tell you what to say. Then you will tell Aaron, and I will help him say it well. I will tell both of you what to do.
16 So Aaron will speak for you. Like God, you will speak to him, and he will tell the people what you say.
17 So go and carry your walking stick with you. Use it and the other miracles to show the people that I am with you.” - Exodus 4 vs 1 - 17
Neither did the prophets of God of Old have for themselves followers. lipsrsealed
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 4:41pm On Jun 07
MightySparrow:


Read Gospel according to Luke. By the time you read from chapter one to the end, you will find out.

Holy Spirit never show you the verse?
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 4:48pm On Jun 07
Kobojunkie:
1. Look argument by nitpicking is a logical fallacy. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Show us where Jesus said anyone should believe in his death as a means of their salvation! How is that request a fallacy? Your answer has been illogical and unreasonable since on this question!

2. Moses did not have any followers. The passage below more than reveals the very reason why the children of Israel eventually went out into the desert with Moses. It was not because of Moses but because of the God of their ancestors. undecided
Neither did the prophets of God of Old have for themselves followers. lipsrsealed

So it false that YHWH made Moses Elohim for Pharoah and Aaron his Prophet?

Is Aaron not his follower just by this statement or are they on the same rank?

How about Elijah and Elisha?
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by Kobojunkieee: 4:57pm On Jun 07
AntiChristian:
■ So it false that YHWH made Moses Elohim for Pharoah and Aaron his Prophet?
■ Is Aaron not his follower just by this statement or are they on the same rank?
■ How about Elijah and Elisha?
1. What YHWH did was make them prophets. He, YHWH, did not give them followers. So your claim is not based on facts.

2. Aaron was instead Moses' brother as stated in that passage. undecided

3. Not a single one of the prophets is written to have had followers. Stop twisting what is written in Scripture to fit your religious interpretation. undecided
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by MightySparrow: 5:17pm On Jun 07
AntiChristian:


Holy Spirit never show you the verse?

Shebi you know Bible, find out.
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by TenQ: 10:25pm On Jun 07
MightySparrow:



You got it brother. Can you see the reason I call Islam LIELAM?

Mohammed had three daughters but cannot have a son. grin. Oh the ayat off thee daughters is cast by Satan.grin


Mohammed had his revelations from greed (Moneylam); sex (Sexlam),and political lies using divinity to control people.
That fellow is an undisputed generational crook.

The more you research into his life and lifestyle, the more you will discover he didn't have anything with the God of Israel. No single prophet from Israel is immoral as this fellow.

His greed, lust, and crave for rulership sent him to Arabs.
What amazes me is how billion of people were sold this faulty man as a replacement for the Messiah AND they swallowed the liess hook, line and sinker.

The spirit of deceit is strong indeed.
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by MightySparrow: 5:50am On Jun 08
TenQ:

What amazes me is how billion of people were sold this faulty man as a replacement for the Messiah AND they swallowed the liess hook, line and sinker.

The spirit of deceit is strong indeed.


Jesus said it that when he came they didn't believe him but when another would come in his own name, they will believe him
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by TenQ: 8:01am On Jun 08
MightySparrow:



Jesus said it that when he came they didn't believe him but when another would come in his own name, they will believe him

It is quite unfortunate that a lot of sincere people are going to hell because of the fraud of a man whose deity impassontes the true God and he impersonates the prophet of God.
If only that these Muslims will stop for once and ask themselves some important questions: unfortunatly, the chains of their mind is too strong to allow that
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by MightySparrow: 8:53am On Jun 08
TenQ:

It is quite unfortunate that a lot of sincere people are going to hell because of the fraud of a man whose deity impassontes the true God and he impersonates the prophet of God.
If only that these Muslims will stop for once and ask themselves some important questions: unfortunatly, the chains of their mind is too strong to allow that

Except for God's deliverance. Indoctrination is a terrible thing. It doesn't matter what is taken in, once it gets to the heart and germinates, to uproot is very difficult.

The funny thing about it is that anybody can be indoctrinated: literates and illiterates alike. When it comes to religious things, you are very sure of what you believe beyond reason. This is what makes Islam pathetic. Most of the scholars are illiterates. Professors of medicine, philosophy, engineering, Law etc will have to submit their learning to 'divine' revelations that are contrary to reason.
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by TenQ: 9:25am On Jun 08
MightySparrow:


Except for God's deliverance. Indoctrination is a terrible thing. It doesn't matter what is taken in, once it gets to the heart and germinates, to uproot is very difficult.

The funny thing about it is that anybody can be indoctrinated: literates and illiterates alike. When it comes to religious things, you are very sure of what you believe beyond reason. This is what makes Islam pathetic. Most of the scholars are illiterates. Professors of medicine, philosophy, engineering, Law etc will have to submit their learning to 'divine' revelations that are contrary to reason.



My concern with islam is the several cascades of lies and misinformation required to prop it up. Yet, even with these lies exposed, many will still hold on to whatever they can hold in the religion.

Indeed those of us who are saved by Chriost have been saved purely by Grace
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 9:51am On Jun 08
MightySparrow:


Shebi you know Bible, find out.

I will wait for HS!
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by MightySparrow: 9:52am On Jun 08
TenQ:

My concern with islam is the several cascades of lies and misinformation required to prop it up. Yet, even with these lies exposed, many will still hold on to whatever they can hold in the religion.

Indeed those of us who are saved by Christ have been saved purely by Grace

Yeah, there's a little we can do about. Preaching and encouraging them.
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by MightySparrow: 9:52am On Jun 08
AntiChristian:


I will wait for HS!

Good. Keep waiting.
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 9:53am On Jun 08
Kobojunkieee:
1. What YHWH did was make them prophets. He, YHWH, did not give them followers. So your claim is not based on facts.

2. Aaron was instead Moses' brother as stated in that passage. undecided

3. Not a single one of the prophets is written to have had followers. Stop twisting what is written in Scripture to fit your religious interpretation. undecided

So YHWH lied with making Moses Pharoah's Elohim and Aaron his Prophet?

Analyze this statement and that of Elijah/Elisha's relationship!
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 9:55am On Jun 08
MightySparrow:


Good. Keep waiting.

He doesn't exist in you?
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by TenQ: 11:12am On Jun 08
MightySparrow:


Yeah, there's a little we can do about. Preaching and encouraging them.
May God give us Grace to succeed in reaching out to Muslims for their salvation!
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 11:27am On Jun 08
TenQ:

May God give us Grace to succeed in reaching out to Muslims for their salvation!

Salvation my soak away!
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by MightySparrow: 11:55am On Jun 08
AntiChristian:


He doesn't exist in you?

He is for sure.
Why can't you allow Him in you too?
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 11:58am On Jun 08
MightySparrow:


He is for sure.
Why can't you allow Him in you too?

You still can't answer a simple question even with an extra spirit in you?
Of what use is the spirit?
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by MightySparrow: 12:05pm On Jun 08
AntiChristian:


You still can't answer a simple question even with an extra spirit in you?
Of what use is the spirit?

To preach to you

Accept Jesus today as your Lord and Saviour. Then all your questions are answered.
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 12:09pm On Jun 08
MightySparrow:


To preach to you

Accept Jesus today as your Lord and Saviour. Then all your questions are answered.

Did Jesus tell anyone to accept him as Lord and savior?
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by MightySparrow: 3:49pm On Jun 08
AntiChristian:


Did Jesus tell anyone to accept him as Lord and savior?


Yes!

Luke 24:46-49
[46]And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
[47]And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
[48]And ye are witnesses of these things.
[49]And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.


These are Jesus's words Himself.
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 3:50pm On Jun 08
Where is death for sins mentioned?

MightySparrow:


Yes!

Luke 24:46-49
[46]And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
[47]And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
[48]And ye are witnesses of these things.
[49]And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.


These are Jesus's words Himself.
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by finallybusy: 4:49pm On Jun 08
Kobojunkieee:
1. What YHWH did was make them prophets. He, YHWH, did not give them followers. So your claim is not based on facts.

2. Aaron was instead Moses' brother as stated in that passage. undecided

3. Not a single one of the prophets is written to have had followers. Stop twisting what is written in Scripture to fit your religious interpretation. undecided
One man, three accounts. Guy, you need professional help or spiritual deliverance.
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by TenQ: 5:26pm On Jun 08
AntiChristian:


Salvation my soak away!
A time will come when you will say like Iblis that Allah has mislead you.

The truth sets free!
What do you think happens to a person who doesn't care about having the Truth?

Such will perish in stubborn ignorance!
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by AntiChristian: 6:14pm On Jun 08
TenQ:

A time will come when you will say like Iblis that Allah has mislead you.

The truth sets free!
What do you think happens to a person who doesn't care about having the Truth?

Such will perish in stubborn ignorance!

Error 404!
Re: What Did Jesus Forget and Why Does Paul misquote Scriptures? by TenQ: 6:18pm On Jun 08
AntiChristian:


Error 404!
This is why you will perish in your stubborn but willful ignorance!

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