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Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Blackvic1: 12:50pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
SenecaTheYonger:you just said it all ,this is the same thing I was trying to explain to someone that Nigeria isn’t smart with have criminal mindset those are two different things a failure keeps blaming everybody else but himself ....most of this countries where once’s a dump site like you said Singapore it was once a shithole , dubai, Qatar, a lot of other counties even Rwanda and Ethiopia they never went into crime even the so called Nigerians that travel out of the country where there are opportunities which excuse will they give for pushing drugs and engaging into a lot of other crimes even cult clashes .... we are just not smart people at all 4 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Saintp(m): 1:10pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
naijaseeker: Bros with all due respect you don't get it. When we say Nigerians are dumb or not smart, it does not mean that all Nigerians are dumb. What it means is that majority that carries the vote are not smart. You could be in the outnumbered 10% of the population that are smart but does not change anything as far as classification is concerned. You confirmed what we are still saying when you talked about restructuring. How is it going happen when the people are dumb? Is the will of say 10% of the smart people going to overcome the will of 90% of the dumb people? This is the summary of the whole talk 5 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by IronGalaxy: 6:12am On Oct 07, 2019 |
Mayeldah:and they have the biggest mouth and arrogance in Africa. 4 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Paulo3ree(m): 8:22am On Oct 07, 2019 |
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Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by naijaseeker: 8:31am On Oct 07, 2019 |
Saintp: I respond to negative descriptive statements because I actually find them offensive and smug. When a group has a problem I think it is not proper to blame the victim rather than the oppressor and from my study of history, it is not proper to describe Africans or Nigerians as dumb. I have said earlier 60 years post-independence is a short time to gauge. This is because recorded history is more than 5000 years and the current history or modern history is more than 200 years. In Nigeria, Fulanis have political dominance, but you can hardly call them the smartest. The Mongols had dominance in the Eastern world for more than 300 years and suddenly new powers arose. The Greeks are highly respected but beyond a brief less than 30 years period of the peripheral Greek/Macedonian Alexander, Greek did not do much in world dominance. I believe, not many of us are aware that Iranians/Persians, Sassanids were or are actually the longest lasting civilization. Over a brief period of 200 years, we are all cowered by the western style civilization but check it, the Chinese are on the rise. The Chinese were once under the Mongols, British, and Japanese. The unfortunate thing is, the average black man, my dear you are included is self-deprecatory. I am not. There had been strong black civilizations but te attitude most people in this thread exhibited is what is killing our self-knowledge. Every generation has its battle. Our generation has the battle to fight against neo/economic colonization and evil middlemen. It is not impossible and divisive descriptions are actually what is affecting us. Note mind you, I am not against intelligent, well-researched analysis, but honestly, half baked self-deprecatory, black men are stupid and I am the smart black who just discovered that attitude gets to me. Take Nigeria as an example. We are thrust into a new world system we do not understand. We are asked to practice democracy, we are mixed in a logjam of different people speaking different languages, different religions, with Christianity and in other places, Islam forced upon us, bullied, taken as slaves and within 60 years to expect us to get it right. you would ask, why were we conquered in the first place, and I will respond firepower. You would ask, how about the Asian countries which were also conquered and I will respond, they were not subjected to 400 years of the slave trade. Slave trade has always existed but the 400 years Trans-Atlantic trade was a very significant demographic and social sudden and then sustained change to our world. It created serious misgivings and problems for blacks big time For instance, Fulanis will not want to admit, but it changed them into a parasitic society that has been sustained to date. For more than 6-7 generations, they have been brought up to believe they are lords and are free to pick and use other West Africans as they want. This is a real problem in Nigeria and the story of Gandoki and Habama we all read is a testimony to this and this is the main problem in Nigeria simple. We need to think really deep and not stop at peripheral taught that the lack of voters' knowledge is the problem. Votes are manipulated everywhere, and voting never actually counts. What counts is where the real power lay and it has never been with voters in Nigeria. It has always been with the west and its Nigerian middlemen. Imagine a system, where resources are discovered in the South, the South is merged with the North so that the North will depend on the South materially. Then real power is moved to the North to create tension and imbalance. Then the architect of the system continues mining the resources using the North, which they keep sustaining. Do you think your votes will change this? Do you think this will change in 60 years, wiping out family wealth? Families and systems are built upon this. The London arbitration system which just delivered the PI& judgment. The London anti-corruption System which has not found anything wrong with OML 245 as it is still being operated, You may think my analysis proves the stupidity of the blacks. No. it proves that a superior power at a point overcame you and what you should do is to find a way to understand and up turn that force. However self deprecatory tones, lacking in depth or sound analysis is hardly the way to go. 2 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Nobody: 8:37am On Oct 07, 2019 |
DexterousOne:Great. Long live race-mixing and diversity in Europe |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by naijaseeker: 8:57am On Oct 07, 2019 |
DexterousOne: My dear, when you have wealth, army and firepower, you will win battles simple. It is not rocket science, it is not intelligence, it is the power of material things. If a Nigerian has enough resources, he can buy Donald Trump and there is nothing Americans can do about it. Winning wars and controlling countries have always been about wealth and wealth actually translates from generations to generations. I will give you instances. The Florentine Medici acquired wealth and controlled Europe for hundreds of years. This also goes to the Rothschild. After the Eastern European Christians and the Persian/Sassanids had fought themselves for hundreds of years, it was very easy for Arabian soldiers to conquer them and take over the Mediterranean world because these two major powers were exhausted. But immediately the Arabians were exhausted after a few years, the shift of power in the Mediterranean went over to the Turks, who were from East Asian origin although Muslims also. Therefore, it is about wealth to buy, pay and sustain soldiers. To buy weapons, to carry out research and develop more weapons and use it to raid, conquer and sustain your dominance. T This is what we really need to know. Let me give you an instance. The CIA tagged Patrice Lumumba for assassination. With or without Mobutu, he would have been eliminated as the target was to eliminate him. The offered Mobutu real incentives. Western backing, money and power to do the job. If Mobutu turned down the offer, he would have been a marked man also. Did he really have a choice? I am not excusing him but understand the reality. Americans did not succeed in Cuba because the Cubans had been in that sort of fight for a longer period and were backed by USSR. Nigeria had had its dictators but none lasting for up to 10 years because Nigerians are richer, more diverse than say Cameroun or Togo. However, it is social science engineering and it is not a big thing to achieve. If you earn N1m a month legally, how much bribe will you take? You may take N100million or more but definitely not N20 because you can get that in 2 years. Consider someone who earns N200K or N50K a month and offered N1m. He sees his freedom and the start of a new business. I honestly find it pitiable that a black person will consider himself morally lower than other people in the world. Direct question to yo, do you think you are morally lower than people from other races? You as a person not as representative of the blacks? 4 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by naijaseeker: 9:05am On Oct 07, 2019 |
djon78: MY dear, clap for yourself. You just discovered how dumb you are. Others are actually looking for a solution to a challenge facing them. 1 Like |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Fallenhunter: 9:29am On Oct 07, 2019 |
Odogu9195: Don't compare all black countries to Nigeria. Seychelles, Botswana, Namibia, Zambia etc have had great leaders that developed the countries and made them on par with European countries with peoples rights respected and good business practices. Even Rwanda is quickly becoming one of the best countries. Nigeria lacks people that care and leaders that wish to genuinely improve it. 4 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by naijaseeker: 10:05am On Oct 07, 2019 |
Fallenhunter: You cannot understand my shock when I met Botswanan who explained to me the country's economy. It is so easy to say black this, black that with a smug, I am the only intelligent black person, others are so stupid, jealous and unknowledgeable. Clap for me, I have discovered this. |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Fallenhunter: 11:11am On Oct 07, 2019 |
Nanatrendy: That is not smart, shutting borders isn't the solution. What would be smart is if Ivory coast, Ghana etc sat together and set up chocolate manufacturing facilities. Milk, coca, sugar are all available in West Africa. We make the chocolate and then sell it to the west and to other parts of the world. We create our brand and export the finished chocolate and thus own the chocolate industry all together. That's true intelligence. 2 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by naijaseeker: 11:27am On Oct 07, 2019 |
Fallenhunter: Basic issue for most African countries is nation-building. Most Africans do not feel any strong allegiance to their country but to historic nationality. The West purposefully structured it so and pressed African leaders to accept colonial boundaries in 1963. Cohesion and cooperation comes from mutual respect and acceptance. We need to redraw and redesign our boundaries ourselves 3 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Fallenhunter: 11:30am On Oct 07, 2019 |
Suspectzero: There are developed black nations. Seychelles, Botswana, Zambia and Namibia (to an extent) etc. Rwanda is rapidly developing and Ethiopia is moving in the right direction. Many Caribbean countries are well developed. What is true for Nigeria and some of the 'loser' black countries isn't true for all of Africa. 3 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Saintp(m): 12:31pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
naijaseeker: I will not be part of people who throw blame to others or issues in the past for our present problems. The past is the past, how can u change it? To solve any problem in any aspect of life, you need to acknowledge there is a problem, own the problem totally which will now give you the needed energy to solve it irrespective of who caused it As a people we don't fully acknowledge the problem not to talk of owning it instead we stylishly downplay the problem and put the blame on someone else. The world is a dog eat dog world. Anyone who wants to be exploited will be exploited, it is not a new thing. Even in Nigeria today, people are exploiting others too. The west has exploited their own, guess what? China is now coming to exploit the same continent. In the next 60 years, the problem will no longer be the west but China this China that. Will I blame them? Never! Because people have refused to acknowledge the problem, own the problem and solve it by themselves. Let us keep blaming western powers and probably wait till we are 200 years to get the basic things right since 60 years is not enough. 2 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Suspectzero(m): 2:18pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
Fallenhunter: Sorry but all those Countries you listed are not developed nations. You could term them developing but they are not developed. By Nigeria's standard they might seem developed, but by Western Standards, they are not. The "developed Caribbean Countries"are not of the black race. The ones that are of the Black race are Jamaica and Haiti and those places are shit holes as well. Just as bad as the ones in Africa. 2 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Fallenhunter: 2:46pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
Suspectzero: Botswana and Seychelles are pretty developed but okay by western standards they aren't developed. They are rapidly developing though with high GDP growth rates, good human rights records and rapidly improving infrastructure. Botswana in particular is quite developed and Ina few more years will be at European levels of development. Jamaica and Haiti aren't the only black Caribbean islands but even if we consider only Africa nations that are moving in the right direction like Botswana, Rwanda even Ethiopia (although it has a long way to go) show that African nations can progress and become great. 1 Like |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by naijaseeker: 8:13pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
Saintp: I actually identified the problem and gave a solution, I said "Basic issue for most African countries is nation-building." then I said " We need to redraw and redesign our boundaries ourselves" You will prefer if I do not make any reference to the west. Yes, this world is dog eat dog. For you to be able to survive, you have to be thoroughly honest and conduct deep analysis. That the west exploited us in the dog eat dog scenario should not feature as part of the analysis? So I ask you. What is the problem? You will prefer an answer that says Nigerians are stupid. (Can I assume that somehow, you will extricate yourself from blame and be elevated to the podium as the person who identified that blacks/Nigerians are stupid, therefore he is not stupid also). You know one funny thing, t You know one funny thing, this thinking process won Buhari the election and took us back.. Nigerians are corrupt, Nigerians are corrupt. This assumed he is an angel and not corrupt. What are we seeing today. My dear, analysis has to be deep and based on a subject. We were eaten as dogs. By whom? How? Are we still being eaten today? By whom? how? Until you realize we are still under colonialization, still subjugated you will keep blaming yourself and will not know where to channel your efforts. THat is the smart way dogs eat dogs not saying I do not care, how or why. If you don't you will be eaten simple. 2 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by naijaseeker: 8:47pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
ÒIn the 1720s, Dahomey opposed European slave traders, and was deprived of European importsÑsome of which had become necessary by that time. Agaja Trudo, DahomeyÕs greatest king, appreciated that European demand for slaves and the pursuit of slaving in and around Dahomey was in conflict with DahomeyÕs development. Between 1724 and 1726, he looted and burnt European forts and slave camps; and he reduced the trade from the ÔSlave CoastÕ to a mere trickle, by blocking the paths leading to sources of supply in the interior. European slave dealers were very bitter, and they tried to sponsor some African collaborators against Agaja Trudo. They failed to unseat him or to crush the Dahomean state, but in turn Agaja failed to persuade them to develop new lines of economic activity, such as local plantation agriculture; and, being anxious to acquire firearms and cowries through the Europeans, he had to agree to the resumption of slave trading in 1730. After 1730, Dahomean slaving was placed under royal control and was much more restricted than previously. Yet, the failure of this determined effort demonstrated that a single African state at that time could not emancipate itself from European control. The small size of African states and the numerous political divisions made it so much easier for Europe to make the decisions as to Africa This is an excerpt taken from Benin, the Western Niger Delta, and the Development of the Atlantic World 1by Peter Ekeh [/quote] 1 Like |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Suspectzero(m): 10:05pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
Fallenhunter: Yes they are progressing, but haven't gotten there. Still far behind the rest of the developed world. India and Brazil have been ahead of this curve for a long while now and even they are not considered developed. Doesn't happen as quickly you think. It's going to take a long while yet. Unless they proceed at Dubai, Japan, China speeds which i highly doubt. I hope i see a developed black nation in my lifetime but being realistic, i doubt it's feasible. Hope to be proven wrong. |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Nobody: 10:51pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
Reference: What a self erasing, self obliterating post Nobody can love you when you don’t love yourself darling Intelligence is the ability to learn, relearn, delearn and unlearn when necessary Emancipate yourself from mental slavery and stop viewing yourself thru the eyes of others who are not you 2 Likes |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by WillTop: 10:28am On Oct 08, 2019 |
Acidosis: Chai you nailed it, the level of ignorance among Nigerians is alarming. You see your number 3 even in a group of ten graduates you will hardly win an argument trying to convince them that their assertion is false they always have some escape words like "corruption" and "bad leaders" to push their ignorance 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by lexy2014: 10:25am On Oct 09, 2019 |
DexterousOne: I no. I was only responding to d following contradictions made by d gentleman: "Maa zedond did not make china what is it today, what he did was to unify china and create a communist state, during his rule, china was a poor country. the opening of china made china rich." I was hoping he would clarify it himself |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by DexterousOne(m): 11:16am On Oct 09, 2019 |
lexy2014: I get you |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Nobody: 8:13pm On Oct 09, 2019 |
Nigerians are smart in a negative way. Apart from bad governance, we the citizens are our own problems. No spirit of selflessness whatsoever. |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by Ugosample(m): 8:28pm On Oct 09, 2019 |
Blackvic1: yes indeed |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by DexterousOne(m): 8:24pm On Nov 07, 2019 |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by virginboy1(m): 3:49pm On Jun 10 |
Very educative thread |
Re: If Nigerians Are So Smart, Why Isnt Nigeria Developed? by RodgersAkpafu: 3:12am On Jun 11 |
virginboy1:was nice to read through |
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