For we were SAVED in this hope; but hope that is seen is not hope, for when a man sees a thing, does he hope for it? Romans 8:24

He SAVED us and called us with a holy calling, not because of our works, but because of his own purpose and undeserved kindness. This was given to us in connection with Christ Jesus before times long ago 2Timothy 1:9

When you read through the pages of the Bible and noticed the word "SAVED" used for those who are still living what comes to your mind?

One begins to wonder how a living person who has not finished his or her race in life be truly declared as being SAVED?

Are they above sin?

Does it mean they can never ever lose their Salvation despite all the factors that can lead imperfect humans to commit sin?

Have they suddenly become perfect humans?

Right from inception the requirement for salvation has always been the same:

RECOGNIZING THE CHANNEL GOD IS USING TO SAVE!

As imperfect humans whose situation is never determined by his own will God gave us all the same opportunity but then only the humble can recognize that there is a way open for those who desire to be saved immediately they will pay whatever it costs to seize such an opportunity.

During the time of Noah all living humans back then realized that something needs to be done otherwise mankind is heading towards self destruction but no one knows the way out.

Prior to Noah a man named Enoch started speaking boldly against all the atrocities being committed back then but since his life was in danger due to the perpetrators of evil God took Enoch away he became lifeless by God's will and God buried him {Genesis 5:24} no one could find him so they forgot Enoch while his name is written in God's memory book! Hebrews 11:5

But God made a way out for mankind to continue living on the planet He created for them {Psalms 115:16} that's why He called Noah and instructed him on what to do.

So imagine yourself in Noah's day when you also feel something needs to be done but Noah started telling you things that seems impossible will you humbly reason with Noah?

Let's say you are among those who also feels bad about the situation of things back then so you should be among the righteous since you also hate what is bad but then what can make you follow Noah's idea?

According to God's word Noah was declared a RIGHTEOUS PREACHER {2Peter 2:5} this means others back then also preached against badness but only Noah had God's backing so it will be difficult for someone who is a preacher against badness to see what Noah was saying as the only means of salvation!

Noah had three sons who were married at the time which means Noah's in-laws and his son's in-laws were among those destroyed. Has it ever come across your mind how Noah must have felt when entering into that Ark?
Think of his Uncles, Aunties, Cousins, Friends not to talk of his in-laws and his son's in-laws!

Could Noah have married a woman whose parents and families were all wicked?

Surely not!

So why did all these people lose out?

Jesus said:

"just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of man: they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the Flood came and destroyed them all." Luke 17:26-27

So what was the reward why they failed to join Noah in the Ark?

Well they failed to be Humble!

This is the same reason why some in the first century were declared 'SAVED' because they recognized the only means of salvation and stick to the channel God was using so even though they committed sin after becoming members of the house of faith they will recover because they are still in the spiritual hospital where all the sick are attended to for them to get well. So their recovery may be fast or slow but as long as they stay for treatment they will be healed.

So they aren't leaving rather they remain humble always tuning to the only channel of salvation.

That's why they were declared SAVED even when they're still alive and they can still commit grievous sin due to their imperfect state they will never ever live the hospital! Matthew 9:12-13

MaxInDHouse:
Let's say you are among those who also feels bad about the situation of things back then so you should be among the righteous since you also hate what is bad but then what can make you follow Noah's idea?

According to God's word Noah was declared a RIGHTEOUS PREACHER {2Peter 2:5} this means others back then also preached against badness but only Noah had God's backing so it will be difficult for someone who is a preacher against badness to see what Noah was saying as the only means of salvation!

Noah had three sons who were married at the time which means Noah's in-laws and his son's in-laws were among those destroyed. Has it ever come across your mind how Noah must have felt when entering into that Ark?
Think of his Uncles, Aunties, Cousins, Friends not to talk of his in-laws and his son's in-laws!

Could Noah have married a woman whose parents and families were all wicked?

Surely not!

So why did all these people lose out?

Jesus said:

"just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of man: they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the Flood came and destroyed them all." Luke 17:26-27

So what was the reward why they failed to join Noah in the Ark?

Well they failed to be Humble!

This is the same reason why some in the first century were declared 'SAVED' because they recognized the only means of salvation and stick to the channel God was using so even though they committed sin after becoming members of the house of faith they will recover because they are still in the spiritual hospital where all the sick are attended to for them to get well. So their recovery may be fast or slow but as long as they stay for treatment they will be healed.

So they aren't leaving rather they remain humble always tuning to the only channel of salvation.

That's why they were declared SAVED even when they're still alive and they can still commit grievous sin due to their imperfect state they will never ever live the hospital! Matthew 9:12-13

Read it against the lies and manipulations you packed here

For we were SAVED in this hope; but hope that is seen is not hope, for when a man sees a thing, does he hope for it? Romans 8:24

He SAVED us and called us with a holy calling, not because of our works, but because of his own purpose and undeserved kindness. This was given to us in connection with Christ Jesus before times long ago 2Timothy 1:9

MaxInDHouse:
Right from inception the requirement for salvation has always been the same:

RECOGNIZING THE CHANNEL GOD IS USING TO SAVE!

As imperfect humans whose situation is never determined by his own will God gave us all the same opportunity but then only the humble can recognize that there is a way open for those who desire to be saved immediately they will pay whatever it costs to seize such an opportunity.

During the time of Noah all living humans back then realized that something needs to be done otherwise mankind is heading towards self destruction but no one knows the way out.

Prior to Noah a man named Enoch started speaking boldly against all the atrocities being committed back then but since his life was in danger due to the perpetrators of evil God took Enoch away he became lifeless by God's will and God buried him {Genesis 5:24} no one could find him so they forgot Enoch while his name is written in God's memory book! Hebrews 11:5

But God made a way out for mankind to continue living on the planet He created for them {Psalms 115:16} that's why He called Noah and instructed him on what to do.

So imagine yourself in Noah's day when you also feel something needs to be done but Noah started telling you things that seems impossible will you humbly reason with Noah?

Read it against the lies and manipulations packed up there...

For we were SAVED in this hope; but hope that is seen is not hope, for when a man sees a thing, does he hope for it? Romans 8:24

He SAVED us and called us with a holy calling, not because of our works, but because of his own purpose and undeserved kindness. This was given to us in connection with Christ Jesus before times long ago 2Timothy 1:9

achorladey:

Read it against the lies and manipulations you packed here

Can you present the truth as agreed upon by all the churches?

MaxInDHouse:

Can you present the truth as agreed upon by all the churches?

At least you see how you were busy contradicting yourself. To your question.......

John 3:16 says....... For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Do you as one of Jehovah’s witnesses agree that the above is the truth among the churches of those you call cursed and BASTARDISED Christians?

achorladey:


At least you see how you were busy contradicting yourself. To your question.......

John 3:16 says....... For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Do you as one of Jehovah’s witnesses agree that the above is the truth among the churches of those you call cursed and BASTARDISED Christians?

Do churches with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all believe in the teachings of one man: Jesus?
If so why are they all contradicting themselves?
And why do you think what i'm saying is lies when there is none of the churches agreeing in everything they are teaching?

MaxInDHouse:


Do churches with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all believe in the teachings of one man: Jesus?
If so why are they all contradicting themselves?
And why do you think what i'm saying is lies when there is none of the churches agreeing in everything they are teaching?

Na you ran into the below......

Do churches with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all believe in the teachings of one man: Jesus?

John 3:16 answers your question again.

For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

The above is one of the teaching of Jesus Christ. Do your religious organization and you accept that those you call Christendom believe this or not as Jesus teaching?

If so why are they all contradicting themselves?

For some from the house of Chloʹe have informed me regarding you, my brothers, that there are dissensions among you. What I mean is this, that each one of you says: “I belong to Paul,” “But I to A·polʹlos,” “But I to Ceʹphas,” “But I to Christ.” Is the Christ divided? Paul was not executed on the stake for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

Since they choose to queue behind men like you and you equally lining up behind men those you refer to as Governing Body

And why do you think what i'm saying is lies when there is none of the churches agreeing in everything they are teaching

This is what we have hammered into your ears and hearing that, people will agree equally on lies and that does not change the fact that they are lying. Your religious organization of +/-8 millions can agree that Tetraoxosulphate (VI) acid is water. It does not make it true that Tetraoxosulphate (VI) acid is water. Agreement on lies does not make it true. Your religious leaders already confirmed that they force you to agree on lies as ONE LINE OF THOUGHT. You are very much aware of that. Your words becomes lies when I showed you whatever you were propagating was contradicting what the scripture you use as base is saying.

achorladey:

For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Please what does it mean to exercise faith in Jesus?

MaxInDHouse:


Please what does it mean to exercise faith in Jesus?

But the righteousness resulting from faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ that is, to bring Christ down, or, ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.” But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your own mouth and in your own heart”; that is, “the word” of faith, which we are preaching. For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation. For the scripture says: “No one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.

achorladey:

But the righteousness resulting from faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ that is, to bring Christ down, or, ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.” But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your own mouth and in your own heart”; that is, “the word” of faith, which we are preaching. For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation. For the scripture says: “No one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.

Are you saying thousands of different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are all at the same time EXERCISING FAITH IN ONE MAN?

MaxInDHouse:


Are you saying thousands of different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are all at the same time EXERCISING FAITH IN ONE MAN?

Tell me the one man you and your religious organisation exercise faith in?

achorladey:

Tell me the one man you and your religious organisation exercise faith in?

My guy this is really easy to settle if you don't know which of the churches is practicing what Jesus taught yet they are all against themselves then it's either you're deceiving yourself or there is no group practicing what this man taught or he never existed at all!

MaxInDHouse:


My guy this is really easy to settle if you don't know which of the churches is practicing what Jesus taught yet they are all against themselves then it's either you're deceiving yourself or there is no group practicing what this man taught or he never existed at all!

Truth all of a sudden becomes practising what Jesus taught

achorladey:

Truth all of a sudden becomes practising what Jesus taught

Jesus said there will be false prophets who will gather followers who aren't obedient to what Jesus taught so no matter what they do Jesus will condemn them because they are not obedient to his rules and orders! Matthew 7:15-23
So TRUTH about religion is what God's only begotten Son commanded any gathering of worshipers who aren't practicing it don't know the truth!

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus said there will be false prophets who will gather followers who aren't obedient to what Jesus taught so no matter what they do Jesus will condemn them because they are not obedient to his rules and orders! Matthew 7:15-23
So TRUTH about religion is what God's only begotten Son commanded any gathering of worshipers who aren't practicing it don't know the truth!

Your latest response does not change the fact you are running here and there now just to advance more lies and manipulations of the scripture after all your questions that got required response expose the lies and manipulations you want to peddle. Truth has ran into those practising what Jesus taught

Jesus said there will be false prophets who will gather followers who aren't obedient to what Jesus taught so no matter what they do Jesus will condemn them because they are not obedient to his rules and orders! Matthew 7:15-23

Jesus said more than that paapaa about false prophets ;Dand it does not remove the fact that those false prophets include the religious leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses from the time of their existence to this day that they are among these false prophets. Evidence can be seen in the numerous publications they used in advancing their false prophesy . You can choose to accept or reject.

So TRUTH about religion is what God's only begotten Son commanded any gathering of worshipers who aren't practicing it don't know the truth!

What you typed above tells me the truth is not the religious denomination or organisation . The truth is not equally those practising it. That's the reality you don't want to accept.

I know that part of what Jesus taught and his disciples practise is to gather in his name. Thousands of Christian denominations and those that are non denominated do so from sunrise to sunset all year round.

achorladey:

Your latest response does not change the fact you are running here and there now just to advance more lies and manipulations of the scripture after all your questions that got required response expose the lies and manipulations you want to peddle. Truth has ran into those practising what Jesus taught
Jesus said more than that paapaa about false prophets ;Dand it does not remove the fact that those false prophets include the religious leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses from the time of their existence to this day that they are among these false prophets. Evidence can be seen in the numerous publications they used in advancing their false prophesy . You can choose to accept or reject.
What you typed above tells me the truth is not the religious denomination or organisation . The truth is not equally those practising it. That's the reality you don't want to accept.
I know that part of what Jesus taught and his disciples practise is to gather in his name. Thousands of Christian denominations and those that are non denominated do so from sunrise to sunset all year round.

The question is:

Are you of the opinion that there are no group practicing what Jesus taught or you don't know?

Salvation only belongs to those who have this quality called HUMILITY or MEEKNESS!

WHY?

Because God always use imperfect humans to lead His worshipers/people anytime He wants to deliver them so whoever is not Humble (Meek) can't cope with the blunders of those God will use in fact those who needs to follow them may expect too much from them but should we also expect perfection from them?
Well this is what an ancient prophet said which correlates with Jesus' words! Zephaniah 2:2-3; Matthew 5:5

So whenever you read about some in the first century declared SAVED it's because they were humble and once they found the channel God is using they will never ever turn aside from following God's chosen ones. Luke 17:31-35


Jesus spoke about salvation and his disciples asked him a very important question:

“Where, Lord?”

This means there will be a small group of people chosen/anointed to lead obedient mankind to salvation so his disciples asked him where faithful people can find this anointed brothers of Christ Jesus.

What was his response?

“Where the BODY is, there also the EAGLES will be GATHERED together" Luke 17:37


Who are these so called BODY of anointed brothers of Christ?
And who are those whose spiritual eyes are as sharp as EAGLES so that they GATHERED around the BODY?

MaxInDHouse:


The question is:

Are you of the opinion that there are no group practicing what Jesus taught or you don't know?

I know thousands of religious denominations practising what Jesus taught about....

For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

.

When you go walking in your neighbourhood you see each of the churches with their various names are the religious denominations in your neighbourhood preaching and practising it.

My question, is your religious organization practising what is recorded in that account? Your answer will only add or subtract from the group I know that are practising the above

Do you care to answer?

A. Yes

B. No

C. I choose to respond with another question to deflect

D. Hanged and hooked that others practise the very same thing I practise and I call them false Christians

MaxInDHouse:
Salvation only belongs to those who have this quality called HUMILITY or MEEKNESS!

WHY?

Because God always use imperfect humans to lead His worshipers/people anytime He wants to deliver them so whoever is not Humble (Meek) can't cope with the blunders of those God will use in fact those who needs to follow them may expect too much from them but should we also expect perfection from them?
Well this is what an ancient prophet said which correlates with Jesus' words! Zephaniah 2:2-3; Matthew 5:5

So whenever you read about some in the first century declared SAVED it's because they were humble and once they found the channel God is using they will never ever turn aside from following God's chosen ones. Luke 17:31-35


Jesus spoke about salvation and his disciples asked him a very important question:

“Where, Lord?”

This means there will be a small group of people chosen/anointed to lead obedient mankind to salvation so his disciples asked him where faithful people can find this anointed brothers of Christ Jesus.

What was his response?

“Where the BODY is, there also the EAGLES will be GATHERED together" Luke 17:37


Who are these so called BODY of anointed brothers of Christ?
And who are those whose spiritual eyes are as sharp as EAGLES so that they GATHERED around the BODY?

Cornered

Because God always use imperfect humans to lead His worshipers/people anytime He wants to deliver them so whoever is not Humble (Meek) can't cope with the blunders of those God will use in fact those who needs to follow them may expect too much from them but should we also expect perfection from them?

Balaam beast of burden despite being an animal didn't give blunders

Humans being imperfect is not criteria that God gives blunders.

Unity, meekness and humility based on lies will never be accepted as truth required for salvation

achorladey:

I know thousands of religious denominations practising what Jesus taught about...

Jesus is the Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

According to his teachings those who are his must have LOVE for their neighbors {Mark 12:31} LOVE for their fellow believers just as he loved them {John 13:34-35} and LOVE, bless and pray for the well-being of their enemies! Luke 6:27-28

Having that in mind how many religious groups claiming Christians are OBEYING these instructions in order to prove that they are disciples of the Prince of Peace?

I know one organization: Jehovah's Witnesses!

Can you mention another one so we can reason together on how such a group is putting what this Prince of Peace to good use?

achorladey:

Cornered
Balaam beast of burden despite being an animal didn't give blunders
Humans being imperfect is not criteria that God gives blunders.
Unity, meekness and humility based on lies will never be accepted as truth required for salvation

This is my own understanding i'm not forcing it on you so you can speak about yours those who wish to reason with me are free either to accept it or reject it.
So speak for yourself as you have rejected it you can't speak for all other people!

MaxInDHouse:


This is my own understanding i'm not forcing it on you so you can speak about yours those who wish to reason with me are free either to accept it or reject it.
So speak for yourself as you have rejected it you can't speak for all other people!

I have not said I am your Governing body who asked you to accept lies at all cost to enforce unity

This is my own understanding i'm not forcing it on you so you

You didn't see me type that you to accept it by force and by fire.

so you can speak about yours those who wish to reason with me are free either to accept it or reject it

That's why I quote you. Quoting monikers on this platform is to reason with anybody you want to discuss with and they are free to accept or reject it.

So speak for yourself as you have rejected it you can't speak for all other people!

Achorladey is the moniker typing not all other people

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus is the Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

According to his teachings those who are his must have LOVE for their neighbors {Mark 12:31} LOVE for their fellow believers just as he loved them {John 13:34-35} and LOVE, bless and pray for the well-being of their enemies! Luke 6:27-28

Having that in mind how many religious groups claiming Christians are OBEYING these instructions in order to prove that they are disciples of the Prince of Peace?

I know one organization: Jehovah's Witnesses!

Can you mention another one so we can reason together on how such a group is putting what this Prince of Peace to good use?

I know that one called Jehovah's Witnesses claiming to be Christians because one of their members denigrate the name Christian saying it was bastardised and cursed by God and that anyone bearing that name does not belong to Christ. Only for that same person to come back and say they are the only true Christians who do the following...

Murder or kill (despite saying they are neutral to war and politics) , swap wives, molest children, fornicates, have adulterers, domestic violence in their midst e.t.c

It reeks dishonesty to say others claim to be Christian a name you said Jehovah’s witnesses abandoned for them and that bearing that name means one don't belong to Jesus

Can you mention another one so we can reason together on how such a group is putting what this Prince of Peace to good use?

You forgot your who are you to give me instructions . Didn't I tell you that you will get a reminder about that .

One of the thousands I know I have given you and what is found in the one I mentioned is found in the others I know too. Painting the one you know in good light and denigrating the others won't work on me. I see it as lies against the others. What I said about your religious organization are not lies. You know.

According to his teachings those who are his must have LOVE for their neighbors {Mark 12:31} LOVE for their fellow believers just as he loved them {John 13:34-35} and LOVE, bless and pray for the well-being of their enemies! Luke 6:27-28

The one of Jehovah's Witness I know love making enemies out of people and always trying to make others make enemies out of those who don't dance to the tune of his lies and manipulations simply because they choose to disassociate and leave their religious organization. In fact he said Jesus don't pray for those who don't accept him or his enemies . Now he is quoting scriptures to cover up his lies and manipulations

Having that in mind how many religious groups claiming Christians are OBEYING these instructions in order to prove that they are disciples of the Prince of Peace?

Thousands of churches of those you call christendom are doing so. I don't see the them go to churches with weapons to attack their fellow Christian. I don't see them finish their church program and start attacking people in their communities. They live peacefully with them even under intense opposition in some lands they do everything in their midst to make peace and not run away during crisis

achorladey:

Achorladey is the moniker typing not all other people

So thanks for commenting!

achorladey:

Thousands of churches of those you call christendom are doing so.

So who are those claiming Christians in the military forces fighting and killing their fellow believers in other lands?

MaxInDHouse:


So who are those claiming Christians in the military forces fighting and killing their fellow believers in other lands?

The many thousand of Christian denominations you say are claiming Christians including the one you identified earlier Jehovah’s witnesses. You equally call them Christendom in the dictionary of your religious organization.

I hope you understood this.

MaxInDHouse:

So thanks for commenting!

Good to know

achorladey:

The many thousand of Christian denominations you say are claiming Christians including the one you identified earlier Jehovah’s witnesses. You equally call them Christendom in the dictionary of your religious organization.

I hope you understood this.

But Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the world don't join the army so they can't be part of the killers of their fellow worshipers nah!

MaxInDHouse:


But Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the world don't join the army so they can't be part of the killers of their fellow worshipers nah!

Jehovah’s Witnesses kill their fellow members or worshipers as it were is a current and present reality in the midst of Jehovah’s Witnesses going to war or not. Do you agree?

achorladey:

Jehovah’s Witnesses kill their fellow members or worshipers as it were is a current and present reality in the midst of Jehovah’s Witnesses going to war or not. Do you agree?

Ọmọ it's only those obedient to the Governing Body that are JWs do you still remember?

So who are the so called killers and to whom are they listening?