paxonel:
A thread for the most deceptive organization in the history of Christianity.
No one is saying anything good about the organization but only their members themselves

The records and evidence are there to back it up even in their own religious publications.


A religious organization that said all others are false Christians for teaching that Romans 13:1 refers to governmental authorities and were teaching Romans 13:1 is about Jehovah and Jesus as being reasons why they are true Christians. Some few years down the line they reverted to the very same thing they used in calling others false Christians

You better do the mathematics regarding the blood doctrine now

Donated whole blood is often separated into its four main components, red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma.

We abstain from blood by refusing to accept the transfusion of whole blood or any of those main components.

Blood fractions are things that are extracted from any one of the four main components but the Bible does not provide specific direction about using these fractions. So to accept them or not is a personal decision.

Now see how they manipulate the minds of their members hiding behind the scriptures and use of words.

What is the difference between COMPONENTS and FRACTIONS?

From what they stated above....

Blood COMPONENTS are red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma.

Blood FRACTIONS are things produced or obtained from the four COMPONENTS.

What do Jehovah’s witnesses abstain from?

WHOLE BLOOD or any of the four MAIN COMPONENTS.

What Jehovah's Witnesses place on personal decision?

Fractions obtained from the FOUR MAIN COMPONENTS.

What do Jehovah’s witnesses fail to see as manipulations is.....

1/2 of blood = Plasma(55%) = FRACTIONS of blood

Just as

1/2 of blood plasma = Albumin = FRACTIONS of blood.

A component, even half of blood is a FRACTION. This means that accepting 1/2 of blood(blood plasma) is a matter of CONSCIENCE as accepting 1/2 of blood plasma(albumin) after all they stated.....Bible does not provide specific direction about using THESE FRACTIONS. So to accept them or not is a PERSONAL DECISION.

i'm not a former nigerian so called Jehovah's witness, however i will contribute;

false jw's won't take blood transfusion but they can take part of the blood
apparently part of the blood is not blood, apparently if you take one or two
ingredients out of soup it is no longer soup

Lev 17:10  And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. 
Lev 17:11  For the life of the flesh is in the blood,

maybe the part of the blood that false jw's are allowed to transfuse to save life,
doesn't have the life in it

johnw47:

i'm not a former nigerian so called Jehovah's witness, however i will contribute;

false jw's won't take blood transfusion but they can take part of the blood
apparently part of the blood is not blood, apparently if you take one or two
ingredients out of soup it is no longer soup

Lev 17:10  And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. 
Lev 17:11  For the life of the flesh is in the blood,

maybe the part of the blood that false jw's are allowed to transfuse to save life,
doesn't have the life in it

In their quest to legislate on what constitutes blood or not they expose their mode of operation regarding lies and manipulations of the scripture and subjection of their members to double standards.

Their is no difference between components and fractions.

The components of crude oil are still fraction of crude oil. That's why crude oil is subjected to fractional distillation just like blood is fractionated.

achorladey:


You will have to engage him elsewhere. He knows no room for lies and manipulations on thread that is dominated by those he sees and made enemies of

Below is his reply to my summoning him.

MaxInDHouse: There is nothing to plead as you and i know that any organization is made up of imperfect humans so there's nothing peculiar to humans that you won't find in the midst of imperfect humans unless they have all become perfect.

The truth is that the group name CHRISTIANS has been BASTARDIZED and CURSED by false religions claiming they belong to CHRIST that's why Satan is targeting the real Christian group today.
Make a research on any religion and tell them me if they are free from what is peculiar to all imperfect humans so the reason why everyone is so much interested in such news when it involves Jehovah's Witnesses is because that's the one and only true Christian organization all others are FAKE so to prove the organization is not different from them they are exaggerating bad news heard involving members of this group but one thing is clear that is the only group doing God's will today!
So if you care to know what that means i will TEACH you Jesus knew that there's no way imperfect humans can perfectly do anything but with the spirit of God in their midst they will fulfill what God foretold just as it happened in ancient times with the nation of Israel. Nobody can tell me that there were no flaws back then among the Israelites yet God persistently declared them His people.
WHY?
Because His Spirit was guiding them to fulfill His purposes.
So that's what you should think of not what is peculiar to all imperfect humans.
Thanks!

MiddleDimension:


Below is his reply to my summoning him.

This thread is for ex member of that religious denomination. MaxInDHouse don't want to discuss those issues with you here on this particular thread for ex members of that religious denominations.

Quote him on another thread.

What getting free under the captive of a concept does

The information had the result of freeing
them from a false sense of guilt created by the concept that their service to God must be through an organization, that is, specifically through the Watch Tower organization. It served to dispel the feeling of being cut off from God solely because of being cut off by, or having separated from, that organization.

EXJWS in this thread, This is an interview of a woman who is a Survivor of Satanic Ritual Abuse when she was a JW. She gave some very interesting information about the involvement of Watchtower in Politics as She has ties to some people in the U.S government. She gave some very important information that we haven't Heard about. It all starts from Charles Taze Russell. Very interesting interview you must not miss.

There is no way Watchtower can have all these many investments in the Big Businesses of the world without being involved in Politics and in some Fraternities. This woman has done business with this completely.

Enjoy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO2jS-d2i0M?si=AbfPdphekggi8rOB

The danger.......

In their minds “the organization” was indistinguishable and inseparable from God and Christ.

Therefore ORGANIZATION = GOD.

The reason you hear or see them say......

Love Jehovah and his organization(the concept).

Nonetheless, error has been and is being presented as truth, actions have been and are being taken that constitute a grave misrepresentation and distortion of the teachings and life course of God’s Son. While those involved cannot help but bear, each one, a measure of responsibility, nonetheless they themselves are not the fundamental source of the problem. Rather than the people themselves, it is instead the beliefs and concepts that are the real problem, the true danger. They form the primary source from which the erroneous teachings, wrong attitudes and harsh acts proceed.

One thing seems evident, however, and that is that mere departure from a religious system under the conviction that it contains serious falsehood does not of itself guarantee freedom. Simply to see error is, in many cases, not enough. Unless one can see why he or she once believed that error, and what was false in the method of argumentation that led one to believe, no great progress is attained, no solid basis for enduring Christian freedom is established. A person could easily abandon one system that proved erroneous and then quickly be taken in by another that likewise promulgates error, error which may be doctrinally quite different yet which is often supported by the very same kind of false argumentation and reasoning employed by the previous system.

Many of Jehovah’s Witnesses have become disillusioned by teachings or predictions that proved false, others by the rigidity of certain policies, or by the pressure for engaging in a constant treadmill of organizationally programmed activity that brings little of genuine spiritual uplift. What is needed is to see the root cause of such fallacies, of the authoritarian nature of the policies, or of the futility of such programmed works. I believe that without an understanding of the Scriptural teachings involved one cannot see clearly that root cause and cannot see that there is something better and more genuine open to them.

The average Witness has never been aided to develop a good personal understanding of the Scriptures. As an organization member there was little encouragement to use his or her thinking powers other than to accept and, in effect, to commit to memory whatever information was supplied by the organization, submitting almost automatically to its directives. Questions, one of the mind’s most powerful tools, were negatively portrayed as evidence of lack of faith, a sign of disrespect for God’s approved channel of communication.

achorladey:
What getting free under the captive of a concept does

The information had the result of freeing
them from a false sense of guilt created by the concept that their service to God must be through an organization, that is, specifically through the Watch Tower organization. It served to dispel the feeling of being cut off from God solely because of being cut off by, or having separated from, that organization.

Captives of a concept.

oteneaaron:


Captives of a concept.

Captive of a concept that they must be part and be a card carrying member of their "Jehovah's organization" to worship God and that anything outside of it is unacceptable and unholy

Sanctions against the Watchtower Organization and Jehovah's Witnesses after attorneys for Child Sexual abuse victims discovered that the Jehovah's Witnesses intentionally destroyed critical evidence.

https://www.jwchildabuse.org/document/410-0-order-on-sanctions-for-watchtower-new-york-spoilation-of-evidence/

Court documents.

Courz:
Court documents.

They must cover up their lies and manipulations when caught

When time to exit looms the challenge or struggle that follows captured below.....


For many it is an emotional tug-of-war. On the one hand, they feel impelled to reject the interposing of human authority between themselves and their Creator; to reject religious dogmatism, legalism and authoritarianism, to hold true to the teaching that Christ Jesus, not any human religious body, is “the head of every man.” On the other hand, they face the risk of losing lifelong friends, seeing family relationships traumatically affected, sacrificing a religious heritage that may reach back for generations. At that kind of crossroads, decisions do not come easy.

Judge: Why do you shun does who decides to disassociate?

Elder: Those who disassociate are the ones who shun us, they can decide to be inactive or drift away but not get into situations where they will be shunned.

Achorladey: Shunned by who?

That's how the lies and manipulations works in that religious organization

Compare and contrast how they speak from both side of their mouth highlighted in the bold.

Those to whom Jesus Christ has entrusted “all his belongings” are described in God’s Word as “faithful and discreet.” (Matthew 24:45-47) They do not immodestly run ahead of Jehovah on an impulsive whim; nor do they lag behind when God’s direction in a matter is clear.They know when it is time to speak and when it is time to wait silently for further clarification. All Christians do well not only to imitate their faith but also to prove themselves discreet, as the slave class does.​—Hebrews 13:7.

With

As we saw in Chapter 2 of this book, the Bible Students spent decades pointing out that the year 1914 would be significant in fulfilling Bible prophecy. However, at that time they believed that Christ’s presence had begun in 1874, that he had begun to rule in heaven in 1878, and that the Kingdom would not be fully set up until October 1914. The harvest would extend from 1874 to 1914 and would culminate in the gathering of the anointed to heaven. Do mistaken ideas such as these cast doubt on whether Jesus was guiding those faithful ones by means of holy spirit?

6 Not at all! Think again of our opening illustration. Would the premature ideas and eager questions of the tourists cast doubt on the reliability of their guide? Hardly! Similarly, although God’s people(aka Governing Body) sometimes try to work out details of Jehovah’s purpose before it is time for the holy spirit to guide them to such truths, it is clear that Jesus is leading them. Thus, faithful ones prove willing to be corrected and humbly adjust their views.​—Jas. 4:6.

Emphasis on the bold part.

The Bible text itself focuses on “whom you will serve,” and the context shows that in Joshua’s day the issue was loyalty to a PERSON, Jehovah God, choosing between Him and false gods. But the Watchtower article immediately begins:

Today the choice is between the two biggest organizations in existence.

In a sort of intellectual “shell game,” the person is subtly replaced by an organization as the crux of the issue.

Then, in the second paragraph, Jesus is represented as having to choose between two opposing organizations as to his loyalty. Matthew 4:8-10, is cited in support.

But only a fragment of these verses is quoted and none of the responses that Jesus gave to Satan are included.

This is a case of suppression of unfavorable evidence, since in them Christ Jesus plainly showed that his concern was for loyalty, not to an organization, but to a PERSON, his heavenly Father, God.

His responses were, as presented in the New World Translation:

Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.

Again it is written, “You must not put Jehovah your God to the test. It is written, “It is Jehovah your God you must worship and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.

How could anything be more personal? Despite this, the Watchtower paragraph concludes: Jesus refused to desert the organization to which he already belonged and make himself a part of Satan’s organization.

That is how they lie and manipulate the scripture to demand loyalty to their religious leaders setting up the religious organization than to God

achorladey:
The Bible text itself focuses on “whom you will serve,” and the context shows that in Joshua’s day the issue was loyalty to a PERSON, Jehovah God, choosing between Him and false gods. But the Watchtower article immediately begins:

Today the choice is between the two biggest organizations in existence.

In a sort of intellectual “shell game,” the person is subtly replaced by an organization as the crux of the issue.

Then, in the second paragraph, Jesus is represented as having to choose between two opposing organizations as to his loyalty. Matthew 4:8-10, is cited in support.

But only a fragment of these verses is quoted and none of the responses that Jesus gave to Satan are included.

This is a case of suppression of unfavorable evidence, since in them Christ Jesus plainly showed that his concern was for loyalty, not to an organization, but to a PERSON, his heavenly Father, God.

His responses were, as presented in the New World Translation:

Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.

Again it is written, “You must not put Jehovah your God to the test. It is written, “It is Jehovah your God you must worship and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.

How could anything be more personal? Despite this, the Watchtower paragraph concludes: Jesus refused to desert the organization to which he already belonged and make himself a part of Satan’s organization.

That is how they lie and manipulate the scripture to demand loyalty to their religious leaders setting up the religious organization than to God

Exactly. Real manipulation. You can only see the whole picture if you are not in the picture.

achorladey:
Judge: Why do you shun does who decides to disassociate?

Elder: Those who disassociate are the ones who shun us, they can decide to be inactive or drift away but not get into situations where they will be shunned.

Achorladey: Shunned by who?

That's how the lies and manipulations works in that religious organization

Gbam.

Courz:


Exactly. Real manipulation. You can only see the whole picture if you are not in the picture.

Exactly, while almost out of that religious organization, someone said during the Watchtower study, sit at the back then behave like an outsider or someone not a Jehovah's Witnesses and see and hear how the manipulations go on as members respond to the question and answer session

Nigeria might be the worst place to be born and raised as a jw. One issue is that instruction from USA will become more terrible when interpreted by a Nigerian. It might be easier being a jw in new york than it is in Nigeria

Russia has decided to increase the prison sentences of Jehovah’s witnesses rotting in jail. We all know by now the real reason why they were arrested and left to rot in Prison. It has absolutely nothing to do with their faith but with their extracurricular activities against the Laws of the Land. A very grievious offence against the Government warranted this long prison sentence.

The word ‘Extremism’ is just used to hide the real reason for these arrests. Back then in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, arrests based on Spy related activities used to be publicised. It is no longer so now.

Templee333:
Nigeria might be the worst place to be born and raised as a jw. One issue is that instruction from USA will become more terrible when interpreted by a Nigerian. It might be easier being a jw in new york than it is in Nigeria

See wahala

Now, in terms of the proof you asked for: Have you read the introductory material in the Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures published by the Watchtower Society? On page 23 of the 1969 edition, it says: "While inclining to view the pronunciation 'Yahweh' as the more correct way, we have retained the form 'Jehovah' because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century."


Yet they will lie that others don't know God's name as Jehovah. Even before the ancestors of Russell came to being

achorladey:
Now, in terms of the proof you asked for: Have you read the introductory material in the Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures published by the Watchtower Society? On page 23 of the 1969 edition, it says: "While inclining to view the pronunciation 'Yahweh' as the more correct way, we have retained the form 'Jehovah' because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century."


Yet they will lie that others don't know God's name as Jehovah. Even before the ancestors of Russell came to being

Don't mind them. They are deceiving themselves. The name Jehovah is just a marketing name for Watchtower to control JWs.

Courz:


Don't mind them. They are deceiving themselves. The name Jehovah is just a marketing name for Watchtower to control JWs.

Simple jare. To advance another brand of religious organization made by man