truthhurts2:

What are your questions ⁉️

I'm still trying to get the maximum number of eggs they can lay.

For example, layers start with around 3 eggs per week. At the peak, they lay 6 and start declining. So, I figure out 5 to 5.5 eggs per week so that layers give 286 eggs per year. And of course it should be over 300 sef.

So, could you make an estimation of the number of eggs they can lay per week, per month, or per year? If not that much, then the focus should be meat production like broilers. But then, my fear is their sizes.

My friend, no one... absolutely no one has been able to answer my questions. All they post is that local breeds are profitable when they have not survived a year in the business. With 3 months max, you will know if broilers production is for you. And layers already have a template on the ground.

I agree. I don't know all... and here are the questions I like to find answers to. Kindly help out. [/quote]

It's rented apartment around Magboro and I intend using cage. Thank you for these ideas.

truthhurts2:

It depends, are you living alone in that compound? If not, will they accept it or not?

I don't know which side you are but here, a grower is sold for around 1500, I even bought mine for 1k each. So let's say at 1500, you can start with 4 ( 3 hens and 1 cock)

Thank you sir for the detailed analysis. In every business there are risks and I'm ready to go through the stages but I don't want to make avoidable mistakes therefore I need to learn from experienced hands. Like you suggested I'll start with native hens and cross breed with broiler cock. My target is Xmas sales so, for now I'll start from producing chicks... and then learning other breeds and methods you talked about. Thank you.

epainos:

First, you need to learn. The cost of feeding is extremely high, and it continues to rise. So, if you are not very good, you will not make a profit. So, it is best to start small with no intention of selling in order to learn everything thoroughly. Alternatively, you can sell with some initial losses. If you can do this, you have the ability to learn.

Eggs are easier to sell than meat, so you may want to think about it now. Meat used to be the better option, but it is difficult to sell these days, except around Christmas.

You will purchase day-old broiler chicks for meat, and there are several types. You need to know which one to buy for your market. Also, your cage must be in good condition. You can buy day-old eggs as well, but you will not be able to produce eggs until 5 months. As a result, you must continue to feed them for another 5 to 6 months before producing anything. You can, however, buy some that have been grown for three to four months. It is extremely risky, but people do it anyway. I would not do it, which is why I have to sell meat to support myself because it is a six-week cycle.

The question is, how do you intend to sell your meat? At what price? Go find out. If you can sell whole processed chicken for 4,000 per kg, you can profit by N2,000 per bird if you do not pay salaries. As a result, you may want to budget around N3k per kg for live chicken. Analysis is for today. It changes so fast, so one must follow the market closely.

If you get into wellness and can find customers who eat organic meat, you will have a solid market. This is what you should aim for. Depending on how your product is packaged, you can sell it for between N5k and N10k per kg. You will need a solid understanding of how to raise chickens without antibiotics or vaccines. Many people are unable to do it, but this is what I do.


Why are you telling him to buy all those malnutritional birds? Why not start from day old?

Don't listen to this. Start your journey from the beginning. Learn the rope very well.
etc.

What I explained above is for broiler and layers because I don't believe in local slow birds. They produce fewer eggs, too. If you want to do free range, I prefer noiler, and you start from day old also. But if you really want to do local fowls, then you should buy some young mothers hen that are still laying very well and a cock. Start producing your chicks immediately. Why would you first buy growers....wait for like 6 mths before they start laying eggs and you start multiplying your chickens. Start the multiplication ASAP. Again....I will NEVER go for local fowl because they are not fast growing. Instead, I would rather do cross breeding if I wanted to do them. But really...I would rather do noiler for a start.

epainos:


I'm still trying to get the maximum number of eggs they can lay.

For example, layers start with around 3 eggs per week. At the peak, they lay 6 and start declining. So, I figure out 5 to 5.5 eggs per week so that layers give 286 eggs per year. And of course it should be over 300 sef.

So, could you make an estimation of the number of eggs they can lay per week, per month, or per year? If not that much, then the focus should be meat production like broilers. But then, my fear is their sizes.

My friend, no one... absolutely no one has been able to answer my questions. All they post is that local breeds are profitable when they have not survived a year in the business. With 3 months max, you will know if broilers production is for you. And layers already have a template on the ground.

I agree. I don't know all... and here are the questions I like to find answers to. Kindly help out.

Ones they started laying they do it consecutively till the day they decided to stop and start sleeping on it. So, it's every day laying, though, their eggs is never as big as the layers but more quality than it. So if you don't mind the size, they are good for eggs production.

wealthyplaces:
It's rented apartment around Magboro and I intend using cage. Thank you for these ideas.

Like I said, they may not be adapted to cage, not that they won't survive but their performance won't be up to per.

truthhurts2:

Ones they started laying they do it consecutively till the day they decided to stop and start sleeping on it. So, it's every day laying, though, their eggs is never as big as the layers but more quality than it. So if you don't mind the size, they are good for eggs production.

Bro...let's say one does not want them to brood or hatch and one has an incubator, how many eggs can one hen lay in a year? This is my question. Give me an estimation...and show me the maths amd logic behind your answer.

wealthyplaces:
Thank you sir for the detailed analysis. In every business there are risks and I'm ready to go through the stages but I don't want to make avoidable mistakes therefore I need to learn from experienced hands. Like you suggested I'll start with native hens and cross breed with broiler cock. My target is Xmas sales so, for now I'll start from producing chicks... and then learning other breeds and methods you talked about. Thank you.

My advise is that you don't breed the first time, and it's not advisable to breed native with commercial broiler. Just buy cockrel and Mix with noiler from an honest reseller. Buy day old and keep them till December in free range. This is what many people do, and I suggest you go via the route.

Just don't attempt to hatch noiler eggs since you don't have the parents.

epainos:

Bro...let's say one does not want them to brood or hatch and one has an incubator, how many eggs can one hen lay in a year? This is my question. Give me an estimation...and show me the maths amd logic behind your answer.

Let me get this straight, how do you want to be obtaining the eggs, through feeding of layers feed or mating from the Cock?

truthhurts2:

Let me get this straight, how do you want to be obtaining the eggs, through feeding of layers feed or mating from the Cock?

Lol!

Hens don't lay eggs because of mating, but they lay fertilized eggs after mating. The criteria for hens laying eggs are: age, light, nutrition, and health. Roosters are only meant for making eggs fertilized. Lol!

If you understand the above, you can start seeing why free range in Nigeria might mean the hens are less productive than what they should.

OK...let me find a simpler way to ask you the question...from your experience...

1. If a hen hatches some eggs today, how long before he lays another set of eggs?

epainos:

Lol!

Hens don't lay eggs because of mating, but they lay fertilized eggs after mating. The criteria for hens laying eggs are: age, light, nutrition, and health. Roosters are only meant for making eggs fertilized. Lol!

If you understand the above, you can start seeing why free range in Nigeria might mean the hens are less productive than what they should.

OK...let me find a simpler way to ask you the question...from your experience...

1. If a hen hatches some eggs today, how long before he lays another set of eggs?

Yeah, I get you... But without mating there's nothing like fertilize eggs.

To your question... It depends on how quick the chicks are ween from her. From my experience, it takes nothing less than 6 week before she go back to laying, and it takes 20-21 days to hatch

truthhurts2:

Yeah, I get you... But without mating there's nothing like fertilize eggs.

To your question... It depends on how quick the chicks are ween from her. From my experience, it takes nothing less than 6 week before she go back to laying, and it takes 20-21 days to hatch

6 weeks to return
20 days to lay 20 eggs
21 days to hatch....that's approx 75 to 90 days.

That's like 4 to 5 times (at most 6 times) of laying 5 to 20 eggs. So, she lays around 30 to 120 eggs per year.
Of course 120 eggs is an exaggerated figure..lol.

Let's look at it in this direction....let's say I don't need the hen to hatch...so, she just needs to lay eggs only. There is no need to hatch...no need to take 6 weeks to return to laying...all she needs to do is lay eggs and you pick them up and hatch.

Tell me your guess...how many eggs can she lay within a period of time? Just say it the way you can...I will find a way to interpret it further sir.

You are the first person who has tried to answer these questions. Others just cannot. So, I know that they don't understand what they are presently doing. Lol. How can one not have a data to use to make his business progressive? Lol. I smile at times at many threads. Very porous. But one just has to keep it low. Otherwise...hmmm! There is no way you use data and don't operate effectively. You just need it...not just jumping blindly into business and production.... and wasted time and energy

You planted dem in sacks?

Redomi:
maize, cassava, cocoyam, okro, pepper

epainos:


6 weeks to return
20 days to lay 20 eggs
21 days to hatch....that's approx 75 to 90 days.

That's like 4 to 5 times (at most 6 times) of laying 5 to 20 eggs. So, she lays around 30 to 120 eggs per year.
Of course 120 eggs is an exaggerated figure..lol.

Let's look at it in this direction....let's say I don't need the hen to hatch...so, she just needs to lay eggs only. There is no need to hatch...no need to take 6 weeks to return to laying...all she needs to do is lay eggs and you pick them up and hatch.

Tell me your guess...how many eggs can she lay within a period of time? Just say it the way you can...I will find a way to interpret it further sir.

You are the first person who has tried to answer these questions. Others just cannot. So, I know that they don't understand what they are presently doing. Lol. How can one not have a data to use to make his business progressive? Lol. I smile at times at many threads. Very porous. But one just has to keep it low. Otherwise...hmmm! There is no way you use data and don't operate effectively. You just need it...not just jumping blindly into business and production.... and wasted time and energy

Firstly,Let me call your attention to something... using local hen for eggs production might be a little difficult. If she's laying and you're picking up she will go on exile, laying somewhere hiding. The next time you will see her will be with her chicks.

Now, let's ASSUME, that she keeps laying the spot and you're picking it up daily, local hens will give you 6-7 eggs per week, this is because it takes 24-26 or7 hours for a complete formation of an egg.

In as much as you're feeding her well, she will give you maximum production trust me, but that's if you're only using her for eggs production, and don't forget that it's an assumption...

MODIFIED: I think starting from day old, it takes them 16- around 18 weeks before they start laying eggs

truthhurts2:

Firstly,Let me call your attention to something... using local hen for eggs production might be a little difficult. If she's laying and you're picking up she will go on exile, laying somewhere hiding. The next time you will see her will be with her chicks.

Now, let's ASSUME, that she keeps laying the spot and you're picking it up daily, local hens will give you 6-7 eggs per week, this is because it takes 24-26 or7 hours for a complete formation of an egg.

In as much as you're feeding her well, she will give you maximum production trust me, but that's if you're only using her for eggs production, and don't forget that it's an assumption...

MODIFIED: I think starting from day old, it takes them 16- around 18 weeks before they start laying eggs

OK. Thanks...you are saying they can compete with layers. That's interesting.

I know they will find a way to keep their eggs if you keep picking them. I think someone needs to really try it out. Put them in a confinement and feed the hens very well...and let's see the number of eggs she can lay.

Thanks for the responses.

epainos:

Live and already dressed birds are transported to various parts of Nigeria, so location is not an issue here.

Do you want to purchase quail birds for consumption or start your own home quail production? There are two sides to it. I need to know so that I can properly educate you before you make your decision.

I want to train them, at home.

Slightlyredneck:

I want to train them, at home.

You will buy day old birds. You can chat with me..

epainos:

Lol!

Hens don't lay eggs because of mating, but they lay fertilized eggs after mating. The criteria for hens laying eggs are: age, light, nutrition, and health. Roosters are only meant for making eggs fertilized. Lol!

If you understand the above, you can start seeing why free range in Nigeria might mean the hens are less productive than what they should.

OK...let me find a simpler way to ask you the question...from your experience...

1. If a hen hatches some eggs today, how long before he lays another set of eggs?

Local hen can lay 6-7 eggs a week and can lay 5 to 20+ eggs before stopping to start sitting on it.
I don't think they can lay continuously without stopping because after laying for sometime they naturally start sitting on it, even if you were to be removing the eggs it will eventually stop laying.
If you feed them well they can start laying again after 2 to 3 weeks depending on the hen.

epainos:

Saying most people don't like broilers is not accurate. Broiler's breast is lean meat. You can easily remove the fat in it. Thigh and drumstick don't have fat. You can easily remove the fat. Or you boil it and put the water in a freezer....scrape the fat off it and that's it.

It is OK if you cannot feed 200 layers, if it is 25 you can feed, it is OK. 25 will give you like 15 to 20 crates in a month. And you can easily retail it at N200 each. That's like N110,000 sales. Why should you do what you want afford. Even it is 10. It is OK. Retail it. Steady money will come in.

But still I am trying to understand the profit in this you are doing. How much do you sell each? I am trying to see if waiting for more than 8 months is really worth it.

Time is money. If you can roll money fast, why not?

If it makes sense to do 25 layers only and retail it, perhaps you van raise money from your next sales. 9 months waiting period to not sell something substantial ....does it really worth it?

Please, how much do you sell each?

My plan is to have 20 hens and 2 roosters making it a total of 22 local chickens, this hen can lay averagely say 8 eggs per hen. So let do the maths
Let say 8(egg) * 20(hens) = 160

160 x 4 (Number of time they will lay and hatch in a year) =640 hens first year.
Sell about 540 at say 5,000 and keep 100 to add to your farm. Repeat the process Am sure with that much hen you can start competing with someone doing boilers.

Note: you can sell after 6 months and some of the children will start laying from 4 or 6 months, also if you separate the chick from the hen after 2 weeks of brooding it will increase the number time in a year it will lay and hatch.

abbacool:



Local hen can lay 6-7 eggs a week and can lay 5 to 20+ eggs before stopping to start sitting on it.
I don't think they can lay continuously without stopping because after laying for sometime they naturally start sitting on it, even if you were to be removing the eggs it will eventually stop laying.
If you feed them well they can start laying again after 2 to 3 weeks depending on the hen.

Eventually, I have checked it up....it is actually an hormonal shift in broody hen, so they will eventually stop at a point. They can become aggressive too.

So, I am trying to really understand why anyone thinks these southern local hens make sense for profit making. Lol. They are meant for meat production, but they can be so tiny even after 12 solid months of eating consistently. Anyway,it is profitable for someone who does not want to be responsible for them. But these Birds cannot fetch anyone good money. Seriously? I think it is for family consumption.

I think I need to smile more at local chicken threads because now I have confirmed that most of them actually either aren't smart, or just want to waste their time, or just want to make the smallest profit from poultry without spending anything.

Three ways:

1. For enthusiastics and personal consumption - Local chickens because they are broody in nature.
2. For selling eggs - Layers
3. For selling meat - broilers.
4. For both meat and eggs - noilers....and I think it should be more for personal consumption too.
5. For wellness - Then, one can consider local chickens and noilers to make some serious profit.

What is worth doing at all is worth doing well. The ONLY smart thing to do is to find a way to tweak their feed, reduce the cost while production is still optimal. Only smart people can do this, and this is the reason eggs producers have declined recently because most cannot just cope. They lack the know-how of feed cost reduction.

abbacool:



My plan is to have 20 hens and 2 roosters making it a total of 22 local chickens, this hen can lay averagely say 8 eggs per hen. So let do the maths
Let say 8(egg) * 20(hens) = 160

160 x 4 (Number of time they will lay and hatch in a year) =640 hens first year.
Sell about 540 at say 5,000 and keep 100 to add to your farm. Repeat the process Am sure with that much hen you can start competing with someone doing boilers.

Note: you can sell after 6 months and some of the children will start laying from 4 or 6 months, also if you separate the chick from the hen after 2 weeks of brooding it will increase the number time in a year it will lay and hatch.

540 chickens at N5,000 will give 2.7 million naira for a year. Hmmm! We haven't removed the cost of production because there will definitely be. And you say this can compete with broilers? Are you serious now?

Well the new minimum proposed wage is N62k per month, so, it can be something. It really can make one earn like an upper working class.

Lesson learned here is that civil servants are just underpaid and they are slaves. Lol.

You can't compare this to broilers when one has the market and gets it right. It is possible to make over N2,000 profit per broiler. Now imagine one has a market for 1000 birds every week which is possible. That's 2 million naira profit per month. The issue is that most farmers here cannot do it because they are just starting. I know farmers who are still doing it. And let's say it even 500 birds one does every month, that's still something.

No matter how you see it, broilers are for meat production, but one must have the source of managing the business. Poverty is the reason NL farmers want to make people think local chickens are good to go with.

Yes, it will give some profit...I know...but let us be serious about it. That's a trap to keep one in the same spot financially. There is no growth innthe business template.

For sure, it is a temporary way out in this present economy for most people. Well.... maybe people doing it now are smart after all. Hmmm!

epainos:

It's not my intention. No vex if you are annoyed. Perhaps I should have used another way to express my view.


I don't claim to know all. And hey... if you get this...its impressive.

I'm still trying to get the maximum number of eggs they can lay.

For example, layers start with around 3 eggs per week. At the peak, they lay 6 and start declining. So, I figure out 5 to 5.5 eggs per week so that layers give 286 eggs per year. And of course it should be over 300 sef.

So, could you make an estimation of the number of eggs they can lay? If not that much, then the focus should be meat production like broilers. But then, my fear is their sizes.

My friend, no one... absolutely no one has been able to answer my questions. All they post is that local breeds are profitable when they have not survived a year in the business. With 3 months max, you will know if broilers production is for you. And layers already have a template on the ground.

I agree. I don't know all... and here are the questions I like to find answers to. Kindly help out.

Cc: wealthyplaces

I simply raise mine for personal use not for commercial
I don't like eating boilers. I prefer organic chicken 🍗

Love800:
You planted dem in sacks?

no, I planted them on land

epainos:


6 weeks to return
20 days to lay 20 eggs
21 days to hatch....that's approx 75 to 90 days.

That's like 4 to 5 times (at most 6 times) of laying 5 to 20 eggs. So, she lays around 30 to 120 eggs per year.
Of course 120 eggs is an exaggerated figure..lol.

Let's look at it in this direction....let's say I don't need the hen to hatch...so, she just needs to lay eggs only. There is no need to hatch...no need to take 6 weeks to return to laying...all she needs to do is lay eggs and you pick them up and hatch.

Tell me your guess...how many eggs can she lay within a period of time? Just say it the way you can...I will find a way to interpret it further sir.

You are the first person who has tried to answer these questions. Others just cannot. So, I know that they don't understand what they are presently doing. Lol. How can one not have a data to use to make his business progressive? Lol. I smile at times at many threads. Very porous. But one just has to keep it low. Otherwise...hmmm! There is no way you use data and don't operate effectively. You just need it...not just jumping blindly into business and production.... and wasted time and energy

Let me answer you from experience. The only reason you want to have local birds should be because you want expert low cost brooders. Aside that, Noilers or a cross of noilers with broilers and or layers is the better way. Why, noiler meat taste like local birds with more meat and they lay as regularly as layers. If you are lucky, you get brooders in their midst.
So to answer your question, they lay every day ( every 26 hours to be specific) as long as they don't brood. So since you have an incubator, good for you. As you take the eggs out, they continue laying nonstop. I have been hatching eggs from my noiler birds for a while. I no longer buy DOC. I just create brooding boxes for them and isolate those that are brooding. As they hatch, I take out the chicks. After like 24-28 days, I remove the remaining eggs and put a new set. The brooding hen continue their work. Tip: Turkeys are excellent brooders too. In fact they get addicted later. Anywhere they see eggs they go and lay on it. You just have to make sure you force them to have a break before they kill themselves with the stress.

abbacool:



My plan is to have 20 hens and 2 roosters making it a total of 22 local chickens, this hen can lay averagely say 8 eggs per hen. So let do the maths
Let say 8(egg) * 20(hens) = 160

160 x 4 (Number of time they will lay and hatch in a year) =640 hens first year.
Sell about 540 at say 5,000 and keep 100 to add to your farm. Repeat the process Am sure with that much hen you can start competing with someone doing boilers.

Note: you can sell after 6 months and some of the children will start laying from 4 or 6 months, also if you separate the chick from the hen after 2 weeks of brooding it will increase the number time in a year it will lay and hatch.

It's always easy and sweet on paper. You no even add mortality. Plus, you must be a millionaire to raise 500+ birds. I don't even get your calculations. Is the 8 eggs per week or what? And why did you multiply 160 by 4? Where is the 4 from?

But can they be planted in sacks?

Redomi:
no, I planted them on land

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[U will create time to go to the market. quote author=Kehfie post=130520074]
Agbara or Lusada market on market days[/quote]

epainos:

You will buy day old birds. You can chat with me..

Ur number please

marhoinspire:


I simply raise mine for personal use not for commercial
I don't like eating boilers. I prefer organic chicken 🍗

There are too many misconceptions about healthy, organic, and natural eating lifestyles.

What is actually organic? Of course, broilers' production can be organic, and so many threads have demonstrated it on NL. There is so much to it. Though these threads aren't 100% organic too...and infact, they still use commercial feed, which is bad. But a few farmers don't even use commercial feed for their broilers and layers. We just need to ask questions. That's all.

And let me tell you,....most of you guys doing this so-called local breed give them waste food made with chemicals. Lol. You still end up giving them chemicals to eat, and you brag its organic. Lol. Waste rice filled with bad raw materials used to make commercial feed... Some give them wheat shaft... filled with gluten. Lol. Even corn sharf with accumulated antinutrients. Honestly, I feel for those local birds cos I have raised them too for meat, and breeding. Feed them well and they will grow well too...not like broilers. But you guys don't feed them well, and you give them runts filled with antinutrients that make their health worse.

I am not trying to bash anyone, but putting facts straight here. I have been seeing this "pride" here on NL that "we eat local chickens and we eat organic", but they are still feeding these birds with chemicals in the so called "runts" they call feed they are served daily.

But I have to say this....no matter the runts or bad the food given to these birds, it can not never be worse to a hundredth of what commercial broilers give their birds. So, it is why I don't say much, but really, it's time to educate people. It's not farming in this case, but education in food and nutrition, sustainability, and wellness. Too much to learn.... I hope we can change.

epainos:

There are too many misconceptions about healthy, organic, and natural eating lifestyles.

What is actually organic? Of course, broilers' production can be organic, and so many threads have demonstrated it on NL. There is so much to it. Though these threads aren't 100% organic too...and infact, they still use commercial feed, which is bad. But a few farmers don't even use commercial feed for their broilers and layers. We just need to ask questions. That's all.

And let me tell you,....most of you guys doing this so-called local breed give them waste food made with chemicals. Lol. You still end up giving them chemicals to eat, and you brag its organic. Lol. Waste rice filled with bad raw materials used to make commercial feed... Some give them wheat shaft... filled with gluten. Lol. Even corn sharf with accumulated antinutrients. Honestly, I feel for those local birds cos I have raised them too for meat, and breeding. Feed them well and they will grow well too...not like broilers. But you guys don't feed them well, and you give them runts filled with antinutrients that make their health worse.

I am not trying to bash anyone, but putting facts straight here. I have been seeing this "pride" here on NL that "we eat local chickens and we eat organic", but they are still feeding these birds with chemicals in the so called "runts" they call feed they are served daily.

But I have to say this....no matter the runts or bad the food given to these birds, it can not never be worse to a hundredth of what commercial broilers give their birds. So, it is why I don't say much, but really, it's time to educate people. It's not farming in this case, but education in food and nutrition, sustainability, and wellness. Too much to learn.... I hope we can change.

Point noted

Didnt the broilers lay egg?

Who did you sold it to. At the market?

Gentlesoul2021:
I just started out on this poultry rearing as to how people are talking about it. Infact I started with 25 broiler chickens ND after feeding them for 8 weeks, I sold them in kilos ND made profit. I want to expand by making a pen house that can accommodate 100-150 birds. I must tell u, I don't have to bother about going to buy chicken to eat, I ate a handful of what I breed ND sold the rest.
I want to add layers too, I have a cage but I am eying on expanding ..

Cockroaches for feeding fowl! That is not good na.

Eagba:

Bros I think you can read something on cockroach farming in look for a aerated container or drum do it in it n feed your birds some cockroaches to supplement their feed