MaxInDHouse:


He thought criticizing Jehovah's Witnesses will bring him joy but whenever we prove to him that it's either standing with Jehovah's Witnesses or you welcome ATHEISM he becomes so angry that he resort to abusive speeches.
Please don't allow him to pull you into the mud with him at least he has seen that all those that left Jehovah's Witnesses are now atheists they can't find anywhere else to stay and continue with faith in Christ Jesus!

Initially, if it were in my former faith, I'll strongly disagree with the Jehovah's Witnesses for not choosing a date that many historical agreed on but if I realize that it would make the God of the Bible a liar, I know there's a problem and it's not from the Bible but history

Aemmyjah:



Initially, if it were in my former faith, I'll strongly disagree with the Jehovah's Witnesses for not choosing a date that many historical agreed on but if I realize that it would make the God of the Bible a liar, I know there's a problem and it's not from the Bible but history

Your 607 BCE and 1914 is not supported from the scripture and you already made God a liar.

It has nothing to do with your former religion or not.

Aemmyjah:

Initially, if it were in my former faith, I'll strongly disagree with the Jehovah's Witnesses for not choosing a date that many historical agreed on but if I realize that it would make the God of the Bible a liar, I know there's a problem and it's not from the Bible but history

That's what they failed to realize!

Historians are doing a good job but then when they err a believer can't know until you placed their work side by side with God's word that's when you will know {John 8:32} of course God can't err so the error must have come from imperfect humans! Romans 3:4

MaxInDHouse:
OK your so called historians didn't say anything about Jesus that confirmed they're in harmony with what Jesus' friends penned down shey?
Well that's the point: God's people are in a world of their own! John 17:14-19

Job_15:12  Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at


confused and lost false jw mad max

a rare incidence of truth from you, you God's people false jw's certainly are in a world of your own, a world of madness and confusion etc.
Christians are in this world, but not off it:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

I wonder why someone will just decide to deceive himself. Jehovah's witnesses are known to use trial and error and guess work to make predictions. Some jws quit their jobs, sold all their property thinking the world will end back in 1975.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't know the only group having the truth out of tens of thousands of religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming they're Christians then i have nothing to discuss with you further i'm not here for fruitless arguments.
Thanks for your contribution!

Job_15:12  Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at
Pro_10:10  He who winks the eye causes trouble,
Pro_16:30  He who winks his eyes does so to devise perverse things;


lost false jw mad max

you false jw's are among the religions with contradicting teachings
and conflicting doctrines claiming you are Christians:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

Edybleketara:
I wonder why someone will just decide to deceive himself. Jehovah's witnesses are known to use trial and error and guess work to make predictions. Some jws quit their jobs, sold all their property thinking the world will end back in 1975.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions

In the first century many Jews did exactly the same thing because they believe Jesus, perhaps they deceived themselves for following Jesus' group!

johnw47:


Job_15:12  Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at
Pro_10:10  He who winks the eye causes trouble,
Pro_16:30  He who winks his eyes does so to devise perverse things;


lost false jw mad max

you false jw's are among the religions with contradicting teachings
and conflicting doctrines claiming you are Christians:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

The bold is the fact that MaxInDHouse don't want to accept.

Edybleketara:
I wonder why someone will just decide to deceive himself. Jehovah's witnesses are known to use trial and error and guess work to make predictions. Some jws quit their jobs, sold all their property thinking the world will end back in 1975.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions

Not only predictions but prophecy as well and the bold is the truth about that religious organization

achorladey:

Not only predictions but prophecy as well and the bold is the truth about that religious organization

He is an ATHEIST so there's nothing appealing to him about faith in God!

achorladey:

The bold is the fact that MaxInDHouse don't want to accept.

I never dispute that what i'm asking all of you is:

Are you of the opinion that all religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines worshiping the same God?

Or you believe one of them is teaching the truth?

Answer appropriately so i can know what you want me to accept!

MaxInDHouse:


He is an ATHEIST so there's nothing appealing to him about faith in God!

Telling me he is an atheist will not take away the fact that

Jehovah's witnesses are known to use trial and error and guess work to make predictions and prophecy.

Both the predictions and prophecies are false like Jesus began ruling in 1914 is also false.

Then note when Devil say Water is a liquid. That is the truth about water. That Devil says so does not make it false. Despite...

He is an ATHEIST so there's nothing appealing to him about faith in God

. MaxInDHouse allow that message sink

MaxInDHouse:

I never dispute that what i'm asking all of you is:

Are you of the opinion that all religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines worshiping the same God?

Or you believe one of them is teaching the truth?

Answer appropriately so i can know what you want me to accept!

You are a known liar and your works didn't start today....

I never dispute that what i'm asking all of you is:

The above is a lie you have always said your religious organization is not part of the 41000 religious group teaching conflicting and contradicting doctrines.

cc: Emusan, Oteneaaron, Courz, FxMasterz

Are you of the opinion that all religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines worshiping the same God?

Now it is all the religion worship the same God. Who they worship is not the message. The message is you are very much part of all religious organization teaching contradicting and conflicting doctrines. Which you now say you never dispute. The Christian denominations worship the God who was described by Moses

Or you believe one of them is teaching the truth?

Truth is no longer relative. Now you want to run back to the truth discussion

Emusan:
This thing is really hitting you hard that you have to mentioned my moniker twice!

You already quoted my post which means you're referencing me, so why must you be spamming my mention within the same post again?



YES!



YES!



YES!



YES!



YES! 70 YEARS IN CAPTIVITY



I've answered!

So who did I shame, Jws or God?

Now, your turn to answer my question.

Do you agree with the archeological evidence that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BC?

You contradict yourself by saying they spent 70 years if u say it was destroyed in 587 BCE

achorladey:


Not only predictions but prophecy as well and the bold is the truth about that religious organization

And their governing body that makes these predictions will claim Jehovah is the one directing them. Their Jehovah is directing them to make false predictions.

Aemmyjah:
You contradict yourself by saying they spent 70 years if u say it was destroyed in 587 BCE

No contraction!

The question should have been, when did the destruction start?

When were they released?

When did they finally get back to their base? E.t.c

Or you think the destruction happened in a day?

Edybleketara:
And their governing body that makes these predictions will claim Jehovah is the one directing them. Their Jehovah is directing them to make false predictions.

Exactly. They say Jehovah is directing his organization blah blah blah blah

MaxInDHouse:
So if you're sure that Watchtower agree with your historians on DATE then how come Watchtower insisted on 607 B.C.E against your historian's 587 B.C.E nah?

The hypocrite has went dumb about the AGE OF THE EARTH

If watchtower didn't agree with them, where did you get the date 537BC?

Watchtower agreed with the same historians on 537BC

But you're trying to gaslight the same historians as they were never Jesus friend.

Hypocrite!

achorladey:
The above is a lie you have always said your religious organization is not part of the 41000 religious group teaching conflicting and contradicting doctrines.

cc: Emusan, Oteneaaron, Courz, FxMasterz

You're taking a liar and hypocrite serious!

He said he never denied that JWs are also part of those over 41,000 contradictory themselves, you should have just waited till evening and see the same liar and hypocrite excluding Jws from them and go back to his vomit.

achorladey:


You are a known liar and your works didn't start today....

The above is a lie you have always said your religious organization is not part of the 41000 religious group teaching conflicting and contradicting doctrines.

cc: Emusan, Oteneaaron, Courz, FxMasterz

Lol.

Why is it so easy for him to tell lies?

So Jehovah's Witnesses are now part of the 41k religious groups?

They are no more the only true religion?

Wonders shall never end.

😂😂😂

Emusan:


No contraction!

The question should have been, when did the destruction start?

When were they released?

When did they finally get back to their base? E.t.c

Or you think the destruction happened in a day?

You're missing the point
Do you think we are bringing up 607bce in a desperate attempt to make Jehovah accurate?

Have you not seen how foolish you have become

Emusan without common sense

Aemmyjah:
You're missing the point
Do you think we are bringing up 607bce in a desperate attempt to make Jehovah accurate?

So what is your point?

Have you not seen how foolish you have become

Emusan without common sense

Remember you quoted me FIRST!

Poor upbringing is affecting you.

Emusan:


So what is your point?



Remember you quoted me FIRST!

Poor upbringing is affecting you.

Use your brain
I was talking about the period of captivity not destruction of Jerusalem which I said is 70 years cos I'm standing with what the Bible said. If the Bible said 50 years, I'll agree with 587BCE

Are Jehovah Witnesses the only group adopting 607bce cos they want to make the God of the Bible appear accurate and mean that the period of captivity lasted 70 years?
Have you seen your folly now

oteneaaron:


Lol.

Why is so easy for him to tell lies?

So Jehovah's Witnesses are now part of the 41k religious groups?

They are no more the only true religion?

Wonders shall never end.

😂😂😂

Hahaha.

Emusan:


You're taking a liar and hypocrite serious!

He said he never denied that JWs are also part of those over 41,000 contradictory themselves, you should have just waited till evening and see the same liar and hypocrite excluding Jws from them and go back to his vomit.

I can testify that I have heard him say times without number that JW is not part of Christiendom. He should be reminded that the 41,000 so called groups he alludes to are what make up Christiendom.

FxMasterz:

I can testify that I have heard him say times without number that JW is not part of Christiendom. He should be reminded that the 41,000 so called groups he alludes to are what make up Christiendom.

This is where you missed it again!

Do members of all Christendom churches pray together as one despite the contradictions?

YES!

Which religion will the members never pray with churches of Christendom?

For your information it's the world that's grouping us with Christendom because we also preach and teach using the same book: Bible

Members of all Christendom churches know that Jehovah's Witnesses aren't part of them that's why you have been dodging all the contradictions among them but hypothetically arguing over what JWs believe.

Meanwhile OLAADEGBU has not desist from calling Olukoya as a fake man of God after all your effort to pacify him!

Seven Times : 607 : 1914
Daniel's prophecy of the Seven Times is key to the existence of Jehovah's Witnesses. This is used to determine that Jesus started ruling in 1914 and subsequently chose the Watchtower organization in 1919 to be his sole means of salvation before the battle of Armageddon.


This section is divided into sections, each proving from a different angle that Daniel 4 cannot be used to show Jesus started ruling in 1914.

Jerusalem did not fall in 607 B.C.
Watchtower 2011, Oct 1 & Nov 1

The October and November 1st 2011 Watchtower attempt to prove that Jerusalem fell in 607, rather than the historically accepted 587. Download in PDF format Part 1 and Part 2 of Carl Jonsson's brilliant examination of these Watchtower articles, which show the intellectual dishonesty of Watchtower by including inaccurate information and misquotes.

For the seven times to end in 1914, the Watchtower is forced to claim Jerusalem was destroyed and completely desolate in 607 B.C. However, it is universally accepted that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 B.C. This section shows that the evidence is conclusive that Jerusalem did not fall in 607 B.C.

The Watchtower claims secular evidence regarding 587 is incorrect because it disagrees with Bible Chronology. In reality, secular evidence does not contradict Bible chronology, but rather the flawed Watchtower interpretation of Bible chronology.
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Inconsistent Methodology
Discussion of the Watchtower interpretation of the Seven Times generally focuses on 607 or 587. The starting point really should be that Daniel 4 is not an end time prophecy. Since each prophecy in Daniel had only one fulfilment, there is no reason to believe Daniel 4 should contain two prophetic messages.

Recognising that Daniel 4 is not an end time prophecy makes the rest of the information presented somewhat redundant. However, for Jehovah's Witnesses intent on insisting that there should be a secondary application, examination of the Watchtower's interpretative methodology reveals it to be illogical and grossly inconsistent. This section dissects how the prophecy is calculated and the methodological flaws.
more …

When were the 70 years?
The Watchtower claims historians are wrong regarding 587 B.C. because the year 607 B.C. is necessary to reconcile the Bible's claim of a 70 year period of desolation. This is incorrect, as it can be shown that the 607 B.C. fabrication is not required for the 70 year period to hold true.
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Historical development of the prophecy
It is a common Witness misconception that the Watchtower was miraculously guided by holy spirit to understand that the last days were to start in 1914. In actual fact, the Watchtower interpretation of the Seven Times was taken from 19th century Second Adventist preachers. Furthermore, the prophecy was originally used to predict the world would end in 1914.
more …

Did the Last Days Start 1914?
The Watchtower attempts to support its claim that the Last Days started in 1914 by presenting information to prove there are substantially more earthquakes, wars, famine and sickness since the start of the twentieth century. This article shows how inaccurate and dishonest such information is.
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A person should be realistic about the ability of the Watchtower Society to interpret prophecy. To date there has been a proven time prophecy failure rate of 100%. As shown in the Dates section, the Watchtower used Bible prophecy to explain that the following dates were of significance; 1780, 1799, 1829, 1844, 1846, 1872, 1874, 1875, 1878, 1880, 1881, 1891, 1906, 1910, 1915, 1920, 1921 and 1925. Every single one of these interpretations is now admitted as wrong. Even 1914 and 1918 were not fulfilled as expected and subsequently reinterpreted after the event. This does not inspire confidence that Holy Spirit guides Watchtower prophetic interpretation, or that current understanding of 1914 is correct.

MaxInDHouse:
Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem and it's temple in the year 607 B.C.E.

God revealed in a dream that the trampling of Jerusalem which is God's arrangement to rule will last for SEVEN TIMES! Daniel 4:23

When Jesus walked the earth he told first century Jews that the times of the nations is still ongoing so they should wait until the SEVEN TIMES is over! Luke 21:24

The nations will continue to rule and Christ must sit at God's right hand until the time is fulfilled! Psalms 110:1 compare to Act 7:56

So how long is the SEVEN TIMES?
In the Bible book of Revelation it was revealed to John the apostle that three and a half times is equal to 1260 days! Revelations 12:6, 14

Therefore SEVEN TIMES will amount to 2520 days but if we're to calculate from 607 B.C.E. that will end in the year 600 B.C.E. yet Jesus told his contemporaries that the time God gave the nations is still ongoing in his own days {Luke 21:24} therefore we have to go by the standard God pronounced when Israelites annoyed Him a day will be for a year! Numbers 14:34 compare to Ezekiel 4:6

So the 2520 days will be 2520 years counting from 607 B.C.E. it ended in the year 1914.
That was the year Jesus was crowned as King of God's kingdom in heaven and the first thing he did was sending Satan out of heaven that year {Revelations 12:7-12} the earth began seeing woes right from that time until today! Matthew 24:7-14

God's people continued preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout the earth gathering millions of peace loving subjects in preparation for the second coming of Christ who is coming to destroy all opposers of his rule! Luke 19:27

So whoever believes this will continue doing the work Jesus assigned to his disciples with endurance till the end! Matthew 24:13-14

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

What does the Bible say about 607 B.C.E?
Zechariah 7:1 The "fourth year of King Darius" is December 518 B.C.E. The organization agrees with this.

Zechariah 7:3 The people of Bethel were asking the religious leaders if they should continue to weep and fast each year to commemorate the fall of Jerusalem. Since they asked this in December 518 B.C.E. they were asking about the upcoming month in July/August of 517 B.C.E.

Zechariah 7:5 "In the fifth month and in the seventh month" is a clear reference to the destruction of Jerusalem (2 Kings 25:8, 25). They said they had been commemorating Jerusalem's destruction for 70 years. So counting back 70 years from 517 B.C.E. takes you to exactly 587 B.C.E. That's around the year all archeologists put Jerusalem's destruction at. The Bible confirms that year internally.

Summary The organization has ignored this section of Zechariah for decades. An attempt was made to explain it in Aid to Bible Understanding (page 339) where the claim was that they fasted for 70 years, stopped for 20 years, and then asked if they should stop. Unsurprisingly, that paragraph was taken out of the Insight Books (volume 1, page 463) because the reasoning doesn't make any sense. There was even a two-part article about the date of Jerusalem's destruction in the October 1st & November 1st 2011 Watchtower, and Zechariah was completely ignored in that discussion. The governing body knows these verses are a problem, because it completely agrees with the date archeologists give.

Indisputable Facts In 1914 the world population was around 1.8 billion people. Over 110 years later, the population of China alone is 1.5 billion. When Muslim majority countries are included, at minimum there are well over 3 billion people with no chance of being contacted. So how can 607 B.C.E. and 1914 C.E. have significance if after 110 years of preaching and warning there are more uncontacted people than when the "last days" started?

MaxInDHouse:
Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem and it's temple in the year 607 B.C.E.

God revealed in a dream that the trampling of Jerusalem which is God's arrangement to rule will last for SEVEN TIMES! Daniel 4:23

When Jesus walked the earth he told first century Jews that the times of the nations is still ongoing so they should wait until the SEVEN TIMES is over! Luke 21:24

The nations will continue to rule and Christ must sit at God's right hand until the time is fulfilled! Psalms 110:1 compare to Act 7:56

So how long is the SEVEN TIMES?
In the Bible book of Revelation it was revealed to John the apostle that three and a half times is equal to 1260 days! Revelations 12:6, 14

Therefore SEVEN TIMES will amount to 2520 days but if we're to calculate from 607 B.C.E. that will end in the year 600 B.C.E. yet Jesus told his contemporaries that the time God gave the nations is still ongoing in his own days {Luke 21:24} therefore we have to go by the standard God pronounced when Israelites annoyed Him a day will be for a year! Numbers 14:34 compare to Ezekiel 4:6

So the 2520 days will be 2520 years counting from 607 B.C.E. it ended in the year 1914.
That was the year Jesus was crowned as King of God's kingdom in heaven and the first thing he did was sending Satan out of heaven that year {Revelations 12:7-12} the earth began seeing woes right from that time until today! Matthew 24:7-14

God's people continued preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout the earth gathering millions of peace loving subjects in preparation for the second coming of Christ who is coming to destroy all opposers of his rule! Luke 19:27

So whoever believes this will continue doing the work Jesus assigned to his disciples with endurance till the end! Matthew 24:13-14

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

wumiwumi100:
What does the Bible say about 607 B.C.E?
Zechariah 7:1 The "fourth year of King Darius" is December 518 B.C.E. The organization agrees with this.

Do you agree with Jesus' prophesy regarding the last days ?

I am currently serving as an Elder in my congregation, but the truth is that everything about us is based on lies. All our predictions have proven to be false since 1879 up to today.

Please try to do personal research about the Jehovah's Witness religion, its origins, 607 BCE, 1914, 1918, and Beth Sarim.

The only reason I have not disassociated myself is because of my family and friends; I don't want to be shunned by them.

MaxInDHouse:


Your question has been answered it's not compulsory you believe it!

MaxInDHouse:


This is where you missed it again!

Do members of all Christendom churches pray together as one despite the contradictions?

YES!

Which religion will the members never pray with churches of Christendom?

For your information it's the world that's grouping us with Christendom because we also preach and teach using the same book: Bible

Members of all Christendom churches know that Jehovah's Witnesses aren't part of them that's why you have been dodging all the contradictions among them but hypothetically arguing over what JWs believe.

Meanwhile OLAADEGBU has not desist from calling Olukoya as a fake man of God after all your effort to pacify him!

Neither has your organisation and other organisations such as the Mormons, etc desisted from calling one another fake.

We fellowship together in spite of the different doctrines because we understand that we will still all stand before the judgement seat of Christ. You differentiated yourselves because you serve a different master.

wumiwumi100:

The only reason I have not disassociated myself is because of my family and friends; I don't want to be shunned by them.

Sorry for your condition but i don't associate with the timid so if you're not bold enough to take your stand against all odds then you and i can never ever be on the same page !