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Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by CastedNairaland: 6:56pm On Jun 18
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Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by ShoeGetSize: 7:57pm On Jun 18
Africa's problems are down to incompetent political leadership, corruption and graft. If you really think a change of language will automatically wipe these issues out of existence, then you need an intervention.

LocalStandard1:
Just because the Arabs taught you to bang your head on the ground with them doesn't amoe you one of them, just because you ignorantly blab in a Western language "properly" doesn't put you in their league.


CastedNairaland:
OP,

Don't cast Pearls before swine.
A fool will beat you with his logic. Nigerians deserve everything theyre experiencing. Just save yourself.
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by MisterKings(m): 8:00pm On Jun 18
I think say you won talk Nepa wahala
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by Gmajor(m): 8:48pm On Jun 18
Lol.
This op is so delusional.
Swahili is even more alien to Nigeria than English.
Imagine telling a Bini, Esan man speak Yoruba as his official language
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by Zubeezanga(m): 11:10pm On Jun 18
To me religion, it made us nigerians good pretenders a good christian or muslim in a religious gathering but terrible humans in our day to day activities, Another one is our leaders and politicians symdrome, this symdrome has eaten sooo deep that people now believe the politicians are invincible, but check the no of politicians and check the number of citizens? Why has the masses refused taking to the streets and demand accountablity in a very serious way.
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by CastedNairaland: 12:07am On Jun 19
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Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by LOVEGINO(m): 1:36am On Jun 19
LocalStandard1:
Since Seun and his mods have intentionally deactivated my deactivation button I will wait till they undo it. You can't force someone to remain online in a forum against his will and still decide what opinion they should have.
we die here.
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by Laird(m): 3:36am On Jun 19
LocalStandard1:
I will be brief.

One of the reasons for the very high underdevelopment in Nigeria and Africa at large is because of this factor...

When you look at Asia, when you look at Europe, even the middle East. Take a look at every continent and region in the world and you would notice Africa is the only place where the vast majority speak the language of their colonizers.

Frence, English, Arabic, Portuguese, Spanish, you name it! Africa is the only continent and Black people are the last race still favently, diligently and fanatically holding on to the language of their supremacist, imperialist, racist colonizers and enslavers, from the Westerners to the Arabs.

Africa has been under siege, Africa has been at war for millenniums and centuries, from the Arabs, the Europeans, Westerners. Africans and Black people are the only group and race of people actively fighting for supremacy and domination of every other races and cultures, even against themselves, for the control and benefit of all the others. The Europeans/Westerners, the Jewish, the Arabs, even as we are beginning to see now for the Asians.

If Nigeria, and by extension, the entirety of Africa and much of the African dominated Caribbean, will start by reverting to our own local languages, first changing what language we think in our minds with, what language we officiate with, what language we plan, scheme and gossip with, we will begin to effect changes to our minds and national planning as it becomes difficult for everyone else outside our own group to decipher and understand what we're doing and by extension sow seeds of discord and confusion. It will give us a sence of self preservation and self interest.

Already every African is largely and generally multilingual, a polyglot, so these changes is already very easy.

Nigeria should completely remove so-called "english" language as our main and official language, Nigeria most make official the three main Languages in Nigeria, Hausa, Igbo, Yoruba, with pidgin and Swahili as secondary languages.

English, French, Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese and all these Western, Arab and non African languages MOST GO. Africa today is the second largest and biggest continent in the world. There are more English speakers today in a single African country than their are all of the British people, there are more French speakers today in a single African country than all the French in France and likewise Portuguese. A Northerner and African Muslim is more loyal to the Middle East and the Arabs than his own country and African people.

Africa and Africans have no self interests as our loyalties, interests and views and self pride and dignity has all been shared up by everyone that has enslaved and colonised us. That is why you're so interested in Palestine, Israel and Western well being, interests, ideology, survival, affairs than your own.

You lack any self preservation and self interest because you do not listen to your indegenous self speak.


Well.let the data speak

https://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-03/22/c_137055598.htm

Chinese spend billions learning English

Chinese sell more and make more from the English market than africa

Nigerias probiem is corruption, mismanagement and low domestic manufacturing and production and high population and low export value
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by oyatz(m): 7:19am On Jun 19
victory36:
I guess 'colonizer' language is the reason why African leaders are corrupt and irresponsible and also the reason why Africans vote evil leaders consistently. Singapore, Malaysia, Brazil, Indonesia, and many others were all colonized but you wouldn't hear them shouting colonizers here and there. Ethiopia wasn't colonized but it's still an underdeveloped country today.

You don't understand causes and effects ,in nation building.
Brazil is similar to the USA, a settler country.
Singapore,Malaysia and Indonesia are far more homogeneous than African countries and use their indigenous languages as official languages with English as auxiliary language.

Ethiopia, given it's geographical challenges, has performed better than many colonised African countries.
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by babasolution: 7:30am On Jun 19
oyatz:


You don't understand causes and effects ,in nation building.
Brazil is similar to the USA, a settler country.
Singapore,Malaysia and Indonesia are far more homogeneous than African countries and use their indigenous languages as official languages with English as auxiliary language.

Ethiopia, given it's geographical challenges, has performed better than many colonised African countries.

Such can only work if Nigeria is divided along ethnic lines,no tribe however small will be willing to displace it's indigenous language, for its neighbours own,English is neutral
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by victory36(m): 8:15am On Jun 19
oyatz:


You don't understand causes and effects ,in nation building.
Brazil is similar to the USA, a settler country.
Singapore,Malaysia and Indonesia are far more homogeneous than African countries and use their indigenous languages as official languages with English as auxiliary language.

Ethiopia, given it's geographical challenges, has performed better than many colonised African countries.
having identified ethnic difference as barrier to nation building, who/what is stopping African leaders breaking apart the colonial borders to construct new ethnic aligned borders if not their collective selfish interests? Language can never be a valid reason for being redundant.
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by TVTM2023: 12:30pm On Jun 19
And what does changing language change
Where we not speaking our own native tongue before the whites came?
Did we develop infrastructurally
Did it change our mentality or our traditions?
What did it change?
Lets be frank and ask ourselves the truth?
English languange and pidgin sort pf madr things open!!!
The new generation to come has lost ot already .
It is only customs and some traditions and virtues that need to be restored.
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by oyatz(m): 11:24pm On Jun 19
babasolution:


Such can only work if Nigeria is divided along ethnic lines,no tribe however small will be willing to displace it's indigenous language, for its neighbours own,English is neutral

No need for displacement but promoting and using our native languages as medium of impacting Knowledge in Academics, Commerce and Nation building (and English for translations or communications with others), will fast track developments.
The Missionaries understood this concept well, when they translated the Bible, Church Hyms and Liturgical books into native languages.

Home grown religious groups like the White Garments, African Church and CAC churches further entrenced the religion by adapting the new religion to suit local needs.
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by babasolution: 8:46am On Jun 20
oyatz:


No need for displacement but promoting and using our native languages as medium of impacting Knowledge in Academics, Commerce and Nation building (and English for translations or communications with others), will fast track developments.
The Missionaries understood this concept well, when they translated the Bible, Church Hyms and Liturgical books into native languages.

Home grown religious groups like the White Garments, African Church and CAC churches further entrenced the religion by adapting the new religion to suit local needs.

There will be limitations, imagine you have a Yoruba President addressing the nation in Yoruba,how many languages will it be translated to?

Smaller tribes will be forced to be incorporated into the big three,which will be disadvantageous to those tribes,it's already happened to my tribe to an extent, were in the past we were compelled to bare Yoruba names for political reasons,today many indigenes have forgotten their original culture, identity and history and the Yoruba is wrongly terming us to be yoruba
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by oyatz(m): 7:02am On Jun 22
babasolution:


There will be limitations, imagine you have a Yoruba President addressing the nation in Yoruba,how many languages will it be translated to?

Smaller tribes will be forced to be incorporated into the big three,which will be disadvantageous to those tribes,it's already happened to my tribe to an extent, were in the past we were compelled to bare Yoruba names for political reasons,today many indigenes have forgotten their original culture, identity and history and the Yoruba is wrongly terming us to be yoruba

You didn't read to understand but rushed to respond.

The President addressing the country is more of passing information than impacting knowledge, so this can be done in English.

However if we want the largest number of Africans to have detailed understanding of Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEM) subjects, necessary to catapult Africa into developed countries, then it is best to translate STEM Textbooks into indigenous languages and teach children in local languages.

Even ,important detailed political and public information are made in Local Languages for most people to understand and assimilate the languages e.g Campaigns at Political Rallies, Advertisements by National Orientation Agency, Voter's Card Registration & collection, Infotmatuon on Immmunizations etc.

Nobody forced you or anyone to bear Yoruba names or speak Yoruba language. It is NEVER happened, it is just parts of your propaganda.
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by babasolution: 7:25am On Jun 22
oyatz:


You didn't read to understand but rushed to respond.

The President addressing the country is more of passing information than impacting knowledge, so this can be done in English.

However if we want the largest number of Africans to have detailed understanding of Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEM) subjects, necessary to catapult Africa into developed countries, then it is best to translate STEM Textbooks into indigenous languages and teach children in local languages.

Even ,important detailed political and public information are made in Local Languages for most people to understand and assimilate the languages e.g Campaigns at Political Rallies, Advertisements by National Orientation Agency, Voter's Card Registration & collection, Infotmatuon on Immmunizations etc.

Nobody forced you or anyone to bear Yoruba names or speak Yoruba language. It is NEVER happened, it is just parts of your propaganda.

Yes,we weren't forced but compelled by exigencies of the times,in the early colonial era,people do not realise that what you are proposing was what was to take place in the colonial era,that's why Bibles etc were translated to indigenous languages ,Yoruba was being promoted to be the lingua franca of the West and neighbour regions such as kabba province ,kukuruku and Midwest (Benin,delta area).

The Benin and delta vehemently rejected it,that's why the policy was stopped.

Very small tribes like mine had no voice n we were influenced to comply until the policy was stopped.
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by xexofe1741(m): 7:26am On Jun 22
victory36:
I guess 'colonizer' language is the reason why African leaders are corrupt and irresponsible and also the reason why Africans vote evil leaders consistently. Singapore, Malaysia, Brazil, Indonesia, and many others were all colonized but you wouldn't hear them shouting colonizers here and there. Ethiopia wasn't colonized but it's still an underdeveloped country today.
how do we remove that
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by babasolution: 7:31am On Jun 22
xexofe1741:
how do we remove that

Malaysia, Indonesia, Brazil were not colonised,Brazil is a majority settler country,Malaysia n Indonesia only had political n economic influence from the Dutch,they weren't outrightly colonised like most countries in Africa
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by oyatz(m): 7:40am On Jun 22
babasolution:


Yes,we weren't forced but compelled by exigencies of the times,in the early colonial era,people do not realise that what you are proposing was what was to take place in the colonial era,that's why Bibles etc were translated to indigenous languages ,Yoruba was being promoted to be the lingua franca of the West and neighbour regions such as kabba province ,kukuruku and Midwest (Benin,delta area).

The Benin and delta vehemently rejected it,that's why the policy was stopped.

Very small tribes like mine had no voice n we were influenced to comply until the policy was stopped.


You don't still get the points.

Did anyone stop you from translating the Bible to your native language and use your language in religious worship?
The Missionaries understood that ,to get their messages across to the new converts, they needed to preach and conduct their services in the languages they understood.

Who told you that people have stopped using local Languages in Commerce, religion, music and Social
circles?

As matter of fact, one of the reasons that SW musicians are breaking grounds in Music is because they partly sing in their Native Language which give their sense of originality and uniqueness.

The major reason why guys who dropped out of secondary schools, to learn carpentenry, Tailoring, building ,Auto-mechanics and other skills do well is because, instructions and training in these fields are done in their local languages.


Finally, peoples speaking and using ,their native languages, is NOT a threat to other native languages.


You can develop your languages, music ,culture and ECONOMY too,which would make others people learn and adopt from you.

For instance, in the glorious days of the Bini Empire, there were many people from Yoruba, Igbo, Igala and several small tribes who migrated to Bini or became influenced by Bini culture, languages and political system because it was the 'sense of class' at that time.
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by FatimaAbubakar(f): 7:54am On Jun 22
This post is dumb. Countries in the South American continent speak either Spanish or Portuguese. Are they not better off than the shitty West Africa and other regions in Africa?
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by babasolution: 8:06am On Jun 22
oyatz:



You don't still get the points.

Did anyone stop you from translating the Bible to your native language and use your language in religious worship?
The Missionaries understood that ,to get their messages across to the new converts, they needed to preach and conduct their services in the languages they understood.

Who told you that people have stopped using local Languages in Commerce, religion, music and Social
circles?

As matter of fact, one of the reasons that SW musicians are breaking grounds in Music is because they partly sing in their Native Language which give their sense of originality and uniqueness.

The major reason why guys who dropped out of secondary schools, to learn carpentenry, Tailoring, building ,Auto-mechanics and other skills do well is because, instructions and training in these fields are done in their local languages.


Finally, peoples speaking and using ,their native languages, is NOT a threat to other native languages.


You can develop your languages, music ,culture and ECONOMY too,which would make others people learn and adopt from you.

For instance, in the glorious days of the Bini Empire, there were many people from Yoruba, Igbo, Igala and several small tribes who migrated to Bini or became influenced by Bini culture, languages and political system because it was the 'sense of class' at that time.




The problem is the issue of standardisation of learning,it will be alot of work to vet the standard of formal education in various languages in the same country.

Therefore the formal education might end up being thought in few dominant languages which will be at the disadvantage of smaller tribes,leading to further breeding of rancour.
Re: Remove This From Nigeria And See Nigeria Become Like China (Photo) by oyatz(m): 2:41pm On Jun 24
babasolution:


The problem is the issue of standardisation of learning,it will be alot of work to vet the standard of formal education in various languages in the same country.

Therefore the formal education might end up being thought in few dominant languages which will be at the disadvantage of smaller tribes,leading to further breeding of rancour.



The use of indigenous languages in schools doesn't have to mean abolition of English language-based Schools.

As a matter of fact, in the early phase of Western Education in Nigeria down till 1960, indigenous languages were used to teach primary schools in the first few years of schooling.

We can retain WAEC as a standard and unified exam to give certificates but learning to instill knowledge should be thought in Native Languages and English in STATES that are willing to do so.

If Science Textbooks have been translated into indigenous languages since 1850s when the Bible was translated to Yoruba language, Scientific ways of reasoning would have been well entrenched in Nigeria.

When we got to Senior Secondary school, most people struggled with Sciences because the subjects were written in a Foreign language and the texts used concepts that were unfamiliar to the environments we grew up. Biology and Agricultural Sciences appeared simpler because most people could relate with what they are taking about in these subjects e.g Heart, Muscles, Monocotyledon or Ruminant Animals etc

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