FxMasterz:
■ Of course, deluded people always think everyone is deluded except themselves. Did Jesus cast out demons? Yes or No?

First of all, none of the demons that Jesus Christ was written to have cast out presented themselves in the manner that any of those in the videos did though. Also, even Pharaohs magicians, sorcerous, witches, babalawos, shamans, etc. equally had the power to cast out demons. So, I am not sure where you arrived at the idea that those videos showcase Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
First of all, none of the demons that Jesus Christ was written to have cast out presented themselves in the manner that any of those in the videos did though. Also, even Pharaohs magicians, sorcerous, witches, babalawos, shamans, etc. equally had the power to cast out demons. So, I am not sure where you arrived at the idea that those videos showcase Jesus Christ.

Who did those videos glorify? Did the pastor call on his own name?

In Christ's time, demons were recorded to have cried out 'Leave us alone!', 'My name is legion, for we are many', etc. On other occasions, they have been known to convulse their victims during an encounter with Jesus.

I personally have had occasions when the demon said to me ''Leave me alone!'' Tell me how all these are different from that of Jesus.

I can confidently tell you that if we both happen to be in a field ministry together for just 30 days, your views about God and Christendom will change.

FxMasterz:
■ Who did those videos glorify? Did the pastor call on his own name? In Christ's time, demons were recorded to have cried out 'Leave us alone!', 'My name is legion, for we are many', etc. On other occasions, they have been known to convulse their victims during an encounter with Jesus.
■ I personally have had occasions when the demon said to me ''Leave me alone!'' Tell me how all these are different from that of Jesus.
I can confidently tell you that if we both happen to be in a field ministry together for just 30 days, your views about God and Christendom will change.

LOL.... even the Pharisees taught they glorified the God of Israel by their numerous mention of His name in their religiosity but we know from all accounts that this was a lie. Convulse their victims during an "encounter" but never before the "encounter"? 🤣🤣 There is no such thing as an "encounter" with Jesus Christ. That was all made up by your religious gods of men to scam you all with.

2. A demon said, "Leave me alone!"? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Kobojunkie:
LOL.... even the Pharisees taught they glorified the God of Israel by their numerous mention of His name in their religiosity but we know from all accounts that this was a lie. Convulse their victims during an "encounter" but never before the "encounter"? 🤣🤣 There is no such thing as an "encounter" with Jesus Christ. That was all made up by your religious gods of men to scam you all with.

2. A demon said, "Leave me alone!"? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Would you take up the challenge to be with me in a field mission for 30 days?

FxMasterz:
■ Would you take up the challenge to be with me in a field mission for 30 days?

Field mission doing what?

Kobojunkie:
Field mission doing what?

We'll both be Ministering to people together. Then, we'll see who is bringing the Presence of God unto the people between us both.

FxMasterz:
■ We'll both be Ministering to people together. Then, we'll see who is bringing the Presence of God unto the people between us both.

LOL...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Are you for real? What is this presence of God that you bring into the lives of these people by the way?

Kobojunkie:
LOL...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Are you for real? What is this presence of God that you bring into the lives of these people by the way?

Are you for real?

You're still asking what the Presence of God is?

FxMasterz:
■ Are you for real? You're still asking what the Presence of God is?

I am asking because your statement suggests that you believe you wield some sort of power and control over your deity and his presence.

I am not a Christian remember so all those lingos you lot use in your circles I am not always familiar with.

Kobojunkie:
I am asking because your statement suggests that you believe you wield some sort of power and control over your deity and his presence.

I am not a Christian remember so all those lingos you lot use in your circles I am not always familiar with.

One of the names Jesus was given is Emmanuel, meaning God with us. If God is with you, then wherever you go, they Presences of God would be there, and that Presence would manifest when you do what you're commanded to do.

Kobojunkie:
I am asking because your statement suggests that you believe you wield some sort of power and control over your deity and his presence.

I am not a Christian remember so all those lingos you lot use in your circles I am not always familiar with.

One of the names Jesus was given is Emmanuel, meaning God with us. If God is with you, then wherever you go, the Presence of God would be there, and that Presence would manifest whenever you do what you're commanded to do.

FxMasterz:
■ One of the names Jesus was given is Emmanuel, meaning God with us. If God is with you, then wherever you go, they Presences of God would be there, and that Presence would manifest when you do what you're commanded to do.

Manifest? You are still using ambiguous language!

Do you automagically insert God into the lives of others because God lives inside of you or something?

Kobojunkie:
Manifest? You are still using ambiguous language!

Do you automagically insert God into the lives of others because God lives inside of you or something?

Are you this ignorant?

When God sends you to do what any man cannot do, such as casting out demons, He'll do the work, and by doing so, He has manifested.

FxMasterz:
■ Are you this ignorant? When God sends you to do what any man cannot do, such as casting out demons, He'll do the work, and by doing so, Je has manifested.

As I said earlier, I am not a Christian so I hardly reason as Christians do. So, your Christian God manifests whenever you do what you call his work, OK!

My Father does not send me out to compete with the deity of others though, and He does not manifest His presence in the way yours does. Jesus Christ, His Son, healed so many hundreds, for example during His time but even so, the people did not believe God even then. And Jesus Christ never said healing or casting out demons was a way of manifesting God in the lives of those who are healed. Sorry!

Kobojunkie:
As I said earlier, I am not a Christian so I hardly reason as Christians do. So, your Christian God manifests whenever you do what you call his work, OK!

My Father does not send me out to compete with the deity of others though, and He does not manifest His presence in the way yours does. Jesus Christ, His Son, healed so many hundreds, for example during His time but even so, the people did not believe God even then. And Jesus Christ never said healing or casting out demons was a way of manifesting God in the lives of those who are healed. Sorry!

Lol.

What did Jesus mean when He said these:

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matthew 28:20.

"And they went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked through them, confirming His word by the signs that accompanied it." Mark 16:20.

"Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." John 14:12.

FxMasterz:
■ Lol. What did Jesus mean when He said these:
"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matthew 28:20.
■ "And they went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked through them, confirming His word by the signs that accompanied it." Mark 16:20.
■ "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." John 14:12.

1. In the first one, you conveniently ignored the major command given them which is to teach to the people the very same commandments and teachings He gave to them.

2. In the statement taken from Mark 16, Jesus Christ said the signs listed in Mark 16 vs 16 - 18 were signs that followed those who believed in Him; the signs in question were not signs that confirmed God's presence in the lives of those who were healed by his followers but rather signs that they, His followers, were believers in Him.

3. Jesus Christ said those who believe in Him will do the good(righteous) works He did. He did not say those works were works of healing and casting out demons though. The same Jesus Christ is recorded in Matthew 7 to have made clear that those whose focus is on doing wonders and signs are not of Him.

21 “Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
22 On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’
23 Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.’ - Matthew 7 vs 21 - 23

The signs revealed in Mark 16 are signs that follow those who believe in Jesus Christ. They are by no means of good works and not that which Jesus Christ said His Followers would do so much more of.

Miracles, signs and wonders, healings, etc., happen to voodoo believers, witches, atheists, agnostics, etc., every single day on this planet to confirm what the God of Israel said which is that He will show mercy to those who He wishes to show mercy and He will do it every day.

FxMasterz:


How did you come to know that gravity is real? By reading many books and having a demonstration.

How do I know Jesus is real? By reading many books which many would never read, and by having numerous demonstrations which many would never do.

This thread is an opportunity for you to read something about Jesus because you've never done. You've been reading the wrong books for sure. Did you watch the video? The video is an opportunity for you to witness a demonstration which you've never witnessed.

Are you consistent with that logic?

So will you accept Islam and Allah if I show you a video/image of a Sufi mystic experiencing the divine?

Or Buddhism if I show you a Buddhist who's managed to spiritually ascend and separated mind from body through their practice of meditation.

Is that your criteria for a claim or belief being true?

Chrisrare:
curing a demon possessed person can be staged, the 'demon possessed person' can do an arrangee with the pastor. But making an amputated limb grow back can't be staged. Why does Jesus direct you to perform only miracles that can be staged? That shows he's imaginary.

The thing is people that claim to have demon possession need not be staged actually. It's people who are experiencing one problem or another in their life and attribute it demons, their genuine belief in that can manifest in a type of hysteria. There's some deeper psychological to the topic, so here's a video on it if you're interested.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqI2vv13fPw?si=rQfI4ymH0YSai0EO

DeusXmachina:

Are you consistent with that logic?

So will you accept Islam and Allah if I show you a video/image of a Sufi mystic experiencing the divine?

Or Buddhism if I show you a Buddhist who's managed to spiritually ascend and separated mind from body through their practice of meditation.

Is that your criteria for a claim or belief being true?

I already know that all those exists without being staged. It's those who think everything is staged who need this question.

FxMasterz:
■ I already know that all those exists without being staged. It's those who think everything is staged who need this question.

How are they all proof of Jesus Christ?

DeusXmachina:


The thing is people that claim to have demon possession need not be staged actually. It's people who are experiencing one problem or another in their life and attribute it demons, their genuine belief in that can manifest in a type of hysteria. There's some deeper psychological to the topic, so here's a video on it if you're interested.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqI2vv13fPw?si=rQfI4ymH0YSai0EO

true. there are many ways people who claim to do miracles deceive their gullible followers.

FxMasterz:


I already know that all those exists without being staged. It's those who think everything is staged who need this question.

I don't think they're usually staged, but you attribute these to the existence of the supernatural, and also as proof of your specific religious beliefs.

I attribute it to the human mind and/or altered states of consciousness, not proof of the supernatural as the only effects observed are on a person's psyc. nothing else.
There's a difference.

FxMasterz:


That's why I said bring someone. When you see real demon possession, you'll know it's not staged.

I'll be convinced if you perform this your miracles on an amputee. should i bring an amputee?

Chrisrare:
I'll be convinced if you perform this your miracles on an amputee. should i bring an amputee?

You mean you'll be convinced about medical science if a dentist does the work of a gynecologist on your pregnant wife?

DeusXmachina:

I don't think they're usually staged, but you attribute these to the existence of the supernatural, and also as proof of your specific religious beliefs.

I attribute it to the human mind and/or altered states of consciousness, not proof of the supernatural as the only effects observed are on a person's psyc. nothing else.
There's a difference.

So, when a person comes to me for prayer, his mind is immediately altered as I pray for him or her?

There was a woman whose son was operated on his right leg for elephantiasis. The disease resurfaced and at the time in 2014, she was looking for another 100k for a second operation. She brought the child to me and I laid hands on the leg, praying in the name of Jesus. That was on a Monday morning. The woman came back on Wednesday to show me the reduced size of the leg. The child's leg continued reducing in size until it became as normal as the other.

Tell me whose mind was altered in the above scenario. The woman, the child or both of them? There are many things you don't understand. And you'll never understand until you come to Jesus.

Kobojunkie:
How are they all proof of Jesus Christ?

Because He was asked to do something and He did that it without the intervention of any human.

Kobojunkie:
1. In the first one, you conveniently ignored the major command given them which is to teach to the people the very same commandments and teachings He gave to them.

And they did exactly that:

"Then his disciples went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord kept working with them and confirming the message..."

2. In the statement taken from Mark 16, Jesus Christ said the signs listed in Mark 16 vs 16 - 18 were signs that followed those who believed in Him; the signs in question were not signs that confirmed God's presence in the lives of those who were healed by his followers but rather signs that they, His followers, were believers in Him.

John 14:23
"Jesus answered him, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him."

"All believers have the Father's Presente. Jesus said "Lo, I am with you even to the close of the age." Mathew 28:20.

3. Jesus Christ said those who believe in Him will do the good(righteous) works He did. He did not say those works were works of healing and casting out demons though. The same Jesus Christ is recorded in Matthew 7 to have made clear that those whose focus is on doing wonders and signs are not of Him.
The signs revealed in Mark 16 are signs that follow those who believe in Jesus Christ. They are by no means of good works and not that which Jesus Christ said His Followers would do so much more of.

All these are lies. This is the complete statement of Jesus:

John 14:11-14

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."

Jesus said He'll do the works whenever we ask Him to do them!

"Miracles, signs and wonders, healings, etc., happen to voodoo believers, witches, atheists, agnostics, etc., every single day on this planet to confirm what the God of Israel said which is that He will show mercy to those who He wishes to show mercy and He will do it every day.

They happened to Pharaoh's magicians too. But do you know the difference? Moses' rod swallowed up all their rods.

FxMasterz:
∆ Because He was asked to do something and He did that it without the intervention of any human.

Most of you are so confused you no longer realize your very confusion. Jesus Christ said those who will come to Him claiming to have done works of wonders using His name, He never knew. But here you asserting that Jesus Christ must have lied because all healings done even those done not using His name are proof of His person.

FxMasterz:
∆ And they did exactly that:
"Then his disciples went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord kept working with them and confirming the message..."
John 14:23
"Jesus answered him, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him."
"All believers have the Father's Presente. Jesus said "Lo, I am with you even to the close of the age." Mathew 28:20.
All these are lies. This is the complete statement of Jesus:
John 14:11-1
"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."
Jesus said He'll do the works whenever we ask Him to do them!
They happened to Pharaoh's magicians too. But do you know the difference? Moses' rod swallowed up all their rods.

I hate this religious story telling.

FxMasterz:
■ Lol. What did Jesus mean when He said these:
"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matthew 28:20.
■ "And they went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked through them, confirming His word by the signs that accompanied it." Mark 16:20.
■ "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." John 14:12.

1. In the first one, you conveniently ignored the major command given them which is to teach to the people the very same commandments and teachings He gave to them.

2. In the statement taken from Mark 16, Jesus Christ said the signs listed in Mark 16 vs 16 - 18 were signs that followed those who believed in Him; the signs in question were not signs that confirmed God's presence in the lives of those who were healed by his followers but rather signs that they, His followers, were believers in Him.

3. Jesus Christ said those who believe in Him will do the good(righteous) works He did. He did not say those works were works of healing and casting out demons though. The same Jesus Christ is recorded in Matthew 7 to have made clear that those whose focus is on doing wonders and signs are not of Him.

21 “Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
22 On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’
23 Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.’ - Matthew 7 vs 21 - 23

The signs revealed in Mark 16 are signs that follow those who believe in Jesus Christ. They are by no means of good works and not that which Jesus Christ said His Followers would do so much more of.

Miracles, signs and wonders, healings, etc., happen to voodoo believers, witches, atheists, agnostics, etc., every single day on this planet to confirm what the God of Israel said which is that He will show mercy to those who He wishes to show mercy and He will do it every day.

Kobojunkie:
I hate this religious story telling.

Your hatred cannot stop the work of God.

FxMasterz:
■ Your hatred cannot stop the work of God.

This is instead Jesus Christ who is the Word of God.

3. Jesus Christ said those who believe in Him will do the good(righteous) works He did. He did not say those works were works of healing and casting out demons though. The same Jesus Christ is recorded in Matthew 7 to have made clear that those whose focus is on doing wonders and signs are not of Him.

21 “Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
22 On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’
23 Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.’ - Matthew 7 vs 21 - 23

The signs revealed in Mark 16 are signs that follow those who believe in Jesus Christ. They are by no means of good works and not that which Jesus Christ said His Followers would do so much more of.

Miracles, signs and wonders, healings, etc., happen to voodoo believers, witches, atheists, agnostics, etc., every single day on this planet to confirm what the God of Israel said which is that He will show mercy to those who He wishes to show mercy and He will do it every day.

Kobojunkie:
I hate this religious story telling.

1. In the first one, you conveniently ignored the major command given them which is to teach to the people the very same commandments and teachings He gave to them.

2. In the statement taken from Mark 16, Jesus Christ said the signs listed in Mark 16 vs 16 - 18 were signs that followed those who believed in Him; the signs in question were not signs that confirmed God's presence in the lives of those who were healed by his followers but rather signs that they, His followers, were believers in Him.

3. Jesus Christ said those who believe in Him will do the good(righteous) works He did. He did not say those works were works of healing and casting out demons though. The same Jesus Christ is recorded in Matthew 7 to have made clear that those whose focus is on doing wonders and signs are not of Him.
The signs revealed in Mark 16 are signs that follow those who believe in Jesus Christ. They are by no means of good works and not that which Jesus Christ said His Followers would do so much more of.

Miracles, signs and wonders, healings, etc., happen to voodoo believers, witches, atheists, agnostics, etc., every single day on this planet to confirm what the God of Israel said which is that He will show mercy to those who He wishes to show mercy and He will do it every day.

You're the one who's as confused as Satan himself.

Jesus said those who work iniquity, He'll regret! He never said He'll reject those who work miracles.

Mathew 7:23
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Take note!

"Ye that work iniquity." Not 'Ye that work miracles'.