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Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by Victerica(m): 1:25pm On Jun 23
Ironbull:


Really Ok na, if dem born you well do me bad wey pain me and come dey do restitution I swear me wey I be christain like you I go injure you infact it depend on the gravity of what you did if na thing wey heavy I go use hammer puncture your skull with no remorse. I nor send ok, I nor send at all.

You kill my close family you come dey talk restitution na that day you go enter grave.

That one concern you and God.

The person don do what is needed of am...

You tomorrow, go still do restitution too

Besides, wetin you go gain self?
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by danigbo(m): 1:30pm On Jun 23
Who told you RESTITUTION is not in the Bible. Read the book of Genesis chapter chapter 20.And see what would have happened to Abimelech if he had not restored Sarah...Abraham's wife.

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Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by omoredia: 1:32pm On Jun 23
It's not a must. Just like worshipping God. But the more u give for God the better off u would be in terms of your eternal reward
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by 12345baba(m): 1:40pm On Jun 23
U see y catholic tell una say big sin and small sin dey but una no go gree
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by Ironbull: 1:45pm On Jun 23
Victerica:


That one concern you and God.

The person don do what is needed of am...

You tomorrow, go still do restitution too

Besides, wetin you go gain self?

Alright I have heard you.
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by macfish101(m): 1:47pm On Jun 23
Sheistoopretty:
Nigerian men are use___less......


All of them embarassed embarassed
mental case
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by olamakinde(m): 2:03pm On Jun 23
Sheistoopretty:
Nigerian men are use___less......


All of them embarassed embarassed
jennyclay wannabe
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by olowolekan(m): 2:04pm On Jun 23
Ironbull:


Really Ok na, if dem born you well do me bad wey pain me and come dey do restitution I swear me wey I be christain like you I go injure you infact it depend on the gravity of what you did if na thing wey heavy I go use hammer puncture your skull with no remorse. I nor send ok, I nor send at all.

You kill my close family you come dey talk restitution na that day you go enter grave.

You don't know the power of God. He would have prayed through and God directed him to come and confess to you. You will only forgive and pity him . Jacob and Esau comes to mind .

God is more than man . Only ensure that God is leading you .
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by Skii(m): 2:52pm On Jun 23
Iamblessed85:


And what’s your source? I can’t see any bible verse quoted here.

Restitution is an islamic teaching. In Christianity, it is seen as pride. You can’t absolve yourself of your sins, only Jesus can.

In otherwords, restitution is like saying “ I dont believe the blood of Jesus can save me. Only me can save myself”

Exodus 22
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by Ironbull: 3:01pm On Jun 23
olowolekan:


You don't know the power of God. He would have prayed through and God directed him to come and confess to you. You will only forgive and pity him . Jacob and Esau comes to mind .

God is more than man . Only ensure that God is leading you .

Alright, I have heard you.
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by Susbae: 3:45pm On Jun 23
For those saying restitution is not biblical, have you forgotten what Zachaeus did after his encounter with Jesus? He returned whatever he obtained by fraud to their rightful owners.
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by Pastoshizzy(m): 4:19pm On Jun 23
I'm MOVING.

Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by Pastoshizzy(m): 4:23pm On Jun 23
Sheistoopretty:
Nigerian men are use___less......


All of them embarassed embarassed
Same Nigerian men sustaining your godmother - Jennyclay.
Must be turn out hasn't been as before.

Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by MalaikaEH(f): 4:42pm On Jun 23
Restitution seems like saying you want to pay for what Jesus had already paid for. It does not save. Only Jesus can save. Someone should do it anyway, if their conscience refused to free them. The thief that died on the cross with Jesus went to paradise without doing any restitution.
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by Chemlite: 6:02pm On Jun 23
quip:

restitution is not a commandment, it's not a law.
it's personal thing, don't enforce it on individual.
as I said earlier, if the holy Spirit prompts you to do it, then by all means do it. but it's not a law
wisdom is profitable to direct
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No one forced it on you!
Someone brought a topic for discussion on this forum, and you requested for scriptural back up, which I did.
Now, you're changing the narrative that it is not a commandment.
Maybe you have to differentiate between a command and non-commandment.
All scripture is given by the inspiration of God, and they are profitable for doctrine, reproof, instruction, correction in righteousness.
Restitution is a n evidence of salvation.
In the book of Luke, Jesus made a statement after Zaccheus declaration "today salvation is come to this house"
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by CharlesofJesus: 6:25pm On Jun 23
we cannot "work" our way to heaven (Ephesians 2:8-9). Apostle Paul reminds us that we are saved by God's mercy, not by our own works or righteousness (Titus 3:5-7). When we put our faith in Jesus, we become new creatures in Christ, and old things pass away just as you have rightly said (2 Corinthians 5:17).

Regarding restitution, Jesus did not command it as a requirement for salvation. Even Zacheous, who was familiar with the Law of God, was not commanded by Jesus to pay back those he had defrauded (Luke 19:1-10). While Zacheous chose to do so voluntarily, it's important to recognize that we cannot fully restore our past wrongdoings.

As Matthew's story shows, Jesus' grace and forgiveness are available to us, despite our past mistakes (Matthew 9:9-13). Jesus did not emphasize restitution but rather faith, forgiveness, and a new life in Him.

Let's rest in God's grace and mercy, knowing that our salvation is a gift, not earned by our works or efforts (Romans 3:24
ebubeson:
When you become born again, old things are past away and all things are become new. But when you are born again, it does not stop you from apologizing to those you offended in the past, those you defrauded and those you stole from.

There are sins that do not need restitution and there are sins that need restitution. Assuming you had mutual fornication with your "mature" sex partner or prostitute, you dont need restitution to anyone because it was mutual.

You need repentance. But if you forcefully had sex, you need to restitute to the offended after repentance. If you have stolen from people, defrauded or duped people, you need to repent and make restitution.

If you have hurt people so badly, you cannot just stop at repentance.

You need to repent and apologize to them.
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by NzeChimereze1: 6:55pm On Jun 23
Sheistoopretty:
Nigerian men are use___less......


All of them embarassed embarassed

You mean your father
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by Chemlite: 7:32pm On Jun 23
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Zubeezanga:
Mr shut up, you missquote our faith and scare people off, how dare tell people path to christaindom? What verses are your backup to this certain sin must be restituted? Thats how you scare people away with your holier than thou atitude, how many people did the harlot who they wanted stoning to death restitute to? The criminal that our lord guranteed a place in heaven at cruxification, how many did he restitute to? We all are sinners and as that no one has the right to play God, we all are struggling

The harlot was caught in the very act! Most people saw her. It was a public disgrace.
Moreover, they wanted to execute her, while some are also guilty of same crime. That means, it is no longer secret. Moreover, Op acknowledged that there are some sins that do not need restitution. He even gave specific examples.Therefore, the harlot case is different.
Personally, I think those that wanted to execute her should have even apologized to her.
This part is my opinion "some persons might have slept with her or wanted her for themselves. It also possible that she rejected some, so an opportunity came for them to take their pound of flesh. Else, where was the man that committed the sin with her "
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by IyfeNamikaze(m): 7:54pm On Jun 23
VOsimhen144:
Christian should simply move on.
Jesus Christ has paid our debts.

Below is what I told all the people wey I dey owe money since I gave my life to Christ.
That's not correct. It's not the debts of restitution that Christ paid for Us. The debt Christ paid on the cross was the debt/wages of sin which is DEATH. We owed this. Debt to God who proclaimed that Law " Every soul that sineth MUST die". It was a huge debt that we have no capacity to pay for, and that sin created a demarcation between us and God. So that's why Christ had to come and pay for our sins with his innocent Life and dying the death that was meant for US. So through his death on the cross we are Saved from eternal death. Do you understand now?
The debt of restitution is a moral act you do to your fellow man which testifies to your repentance. Zacchaeus paid restitution after receiving Christ into his life in Luke 19;8-9.
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by exactly77(m): 7:55pm On Jun 23
Depends on what you mean by both. You can't pay for your sins to be forgiven. You can only appropriate the forgiveness purchased for us by admitting wrong by confessing your sins, asking for forgiveness and receiving forgiveness (accepting that you've been forgiven). As led, you can make amends by taking certain actions such as forgiving others, returning something you took illegally, leaving a sexually immoral relationship. To move on (as you asked), in this context means never to allow guilty conscience to hold you back, for the forgiveness of sins frees us from a guilty conscience (especially for damages that you caused that is no longer within your power to correct).
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by quip: 8:29pm On Jun 23
Chemlite:
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No one forced it on you!
Someone brought a topic for discussion on this forum, and you requested for scriptural back up, which I did.
Now, you're changing the narrative that it is not a commandment.
Maybe you have to differentiate between a command and non-commandment.
All scripture is given by the inspiration of God, and they are profitable for doctrine, reproof, instruction, correction in righteousness.
Restitution is a n evidence of salvation.
In the book of Luke, Jesus made a statement after Zaccheus declaration "today salvation is come to this house"

listen everyone, restitution is a matter of choice o. no go do pass yourself and enter hot soup.

But if the holy Spirit prompts you to do it, by all means do it

case closed
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by Maysdevices(f): 8:36pm On Jun 23
jeromestarks:


What is the worth of a single woman who isn't a virgin?
You and I know that once a woman is disvirgined, she's empty. Except married to a man.

You know the truth but you still cover it.
in fact, you're a finished woman.
Whatever you say is true sweetheart, it’s your world
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by NaijaphiliaBlog: 8:51pm On Jun 23
StillDtruth:


Ubi jus ibi remedum! Ubi malus, ibi remedium

The Latin maxim
"Ubi malus, ibi remedium" means

"Where there is a wrong, there is a remedy".
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by NaijaphiliaBlog: 9:24pm On Jun 23
VOsimhen144:
Christian should simply move on.
Jesus Christ has paid our debts.

Below is what I told all the people wey I dey owe money since I gave my life to Christ.

You have actually very succinctly demonstrated why restitution is important.

Sin can fall into these categories:
A. Against God
B. Against fellow human being(s)
C. Against the laws of the land
OR
Combination(s) of any of the above.

When you become born again, of course God forgives you 100%. However, since you are still in this physical world, you can only be fully exonerated from consequences of past misdeeds by restitution.

Let's take a simple example:
Your friend borrows ₦10m from you for a contract, executes it with ₦30m profit, then tells you he is now born again and doesn't have to repay you. Will you agree?

Or another:
You have 5 children but discovered that only 1 of them is yours when you did DNA tests. Your wife says yes, she cheated on you in those days but is now born again so doesn't need to confess to you. Will you agree?


WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY?

LUKE 19:8-9
8. Zacchaeus stood there and said to the Lord, 'Look, half of my possessions, Lord, I will give to the poor; and if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I will pay back four times as much.'

9. Then Jesus said to him, 'Today salvation has come to this house, because he too is a son of Abraham'.


PHILEMON 1:17-19
17. If thou count me therefore a partner, receive him as myself.

18. If he hath wronged thee, or oweth thee ought, put that on mine account;

19. I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by BJanta: 9:58pm On Jun 23
ebubeson:
When you become born again, old things are past away and all things are become new. But when you are born again, it does not stop you from apologizing to those you offended in the past, those you defrauded and those you stole from.

There are sins that do not need restitution and there are sins that need restitution. Assuming you had mutual fornication with your "mature" sex partner or prostitute, you dont need restitution to anyone because it was mutual.

You need repentance. But if you forcefully had sex, you need to restitute to the offended after repentance. If you have stolen from people, defrauded or duped people, you need to repent and make restitution.

If you have hurt people so badly, you cannot just stop at repentance.

You need to repent and apologize to them.

Where are your Bible references. There's no need for any restitution. What is forgiveness if restitution is still required. Restitution is some Churches' doctrine that has no Biblical basis. Here what GOD said, ''
I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.
Isaiah 43:25‭-‬26 KJV'

‭Hebrews 8:12 KJV‬
[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

https://bible.com/bible/1/heb.8.12.KJV

How can some sins require restitution and some don't? Is that a perfect doctrine. Is this a perfect law of liberty? How can some be pardoned without restitution, because their sins don't require restitution, but others punished for default in restituting their ' restitutable' sins. Bring out your scriptural support.
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by Kalosemeka: 5:41am On Jun 24
DIVINEEVIDENCE:
You should restitute.

The earlier, the better.

If you've done abortions as a lady before, opening up to your fiance will save you a lot of tears.
Firstly, if he decides to go ahead with the marriage, he has decided to admit your past and the possibility that you may not conceive tomorrow.

If that Brother marries you and never knew of such, only to dig out the fact after running from pillar to post seeking for a child tomorrow, he'll lose trust in you and if he chooses to divorce you tomorrow, even the law will back him up.

Imagine the rape case that once tarnished the image of COZA's Fatoyinbo.
Imagine if the man owned up to his wrongs when the incident was still fresh, begged the lady's forgiveness, involved her parents and maybe even served some suspension time in church, he would have put all that behind him and it would not have resurfaced to haunt him when it did.


Restitution clears you of allegations that someone might use as leverage to pull you down when you've become spiritually strong.
The more you grow, the more difficult it becomes to restitute and the more embarrassing it would become if someone brings up such allegations.

Its easier to return a WAEC certificate gotten through cheating as an Olevel student.
By the time you get admission, graduate, go for service, start working; it gets progressively difficult.

If you fell into adultery and genuinely repented without confessing to your spouse, once they get evidence of that escapade from an outside source, they might send you packing because you'll look like the sneakiest, most pretentious religious snake on earth.

What if you partner refuse...then what will you do
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by StillDtruth: 6:36am On Jun 24
NaijaphiliaBlog:


The Latin maxim
"Ubi malus, ibi remedium" means

"Where there is a wrong, there is a remedy".

Precisely! That is The Real LawI

It is wrongs that require remedy while rights only.require assertion!

The one lawyers are taught is a half truth and half truths are the blackest of all lies Lord Alfred.
Re: Must A Born Again Christian Do Restitution Or Simply Move Forward? by DIVINEEVIDENCE: 6:58am On Jun 24
Kalosemeka:


What if you partner refuse...then what will you do

Refuse to do what?
Let me understand you.

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