FxMasterz:
■ You're the one who's as confused as Satan himself. Jesus said those who work iniquity, He'll regret! He never said He'll reject those who work miracles.
Mathew 7:23
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Take note! "Ye that work iniquity." Not 'Ye that work miracles'.

I see you are struggling to comprehend what Jesus Christ said there. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jesus Christ indicated there that it does not matter that you do miracles and wonders saying you use His name to do it, rather what matters is whether you are wrong — you do works of iniquity or not. So, why are you brandishing these same miracles and wonders that Jesus Christ said do not matter for anything as proof of Jesus Christ who instead said they are not that which should matter?

Kobojunkie:
This is instead Jesus Christ who is the Word of God.

3. Jesus Christ said those who believe in Him will do the good(righteous) works He did. He did not say those works were works of healing and casting out demons though. The same Jesus Christ is recorded in Matthew 7 to have made clear that those whose focus is on doing wonders and signs are not of Him.
The signs revealed in Mark 16 are signs that follow those who believe in Jesus Christ. They are by no means of good works and not that which Jesus Christ said His Followers would do so much more of.

Miracles, signs and wonders, healings, etc., happen to voodoo believers, witches, atheists, agnostics, etc., every single day on this planet to confirm what the God of Israel said which is that He will show mercy to those who He wishes to show mercy and He will do it every day.

Miracles, signs and wonders, healings, etc., happen to voodoo unbelievers, witches, atheists, agnostics, etc., every single day because wherever there is an original, there'll be many counterfeits. The difference is that "Whatsoever God doeth, it abideth forever." The ones that the people you listed do are always ephemeral. Go and research. Moses' rod swallowed up others because the others were counterfeits.

Mark 16:16-18
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

FxMasterz:
■ Miracles, signs and wonders, healings, etc., happen to voodoo unbelievers, witches, atheists, agnostics, etc., every single day because wherever there is an original, there'll be many counterfeits.
■ The difference is that "Whatsoever God doeth, it abideth forever." The ones that the people you listed do are always ephemeral. Go and research. Moses' rod swallowed up others because the others were counterfeits.

So, miracles happen every day and everywhere not because God Himself said He will have mercy on whomever He wishes, even on the wicked and the ungrateful but because in your mind there are originals and there are fakes?

2. Where in Scripture did you get the statement in bold from abeg? Are you somehow trying to tell me that Moses's rod which swallowed up the others exists even to this day and will forever?

Kobojunkie:
So, miracles happen every day and everywhere not because God Himself said He will have mercy on whomever He wishes, even on the wicked and the ungrateful but because in your mind there are originals and there are fakes?

So, God would not do miracles in the lives of those on whom He has had mercy? Then, what would be the difference between those who receive God's mercy and those who don't? God performs miracles everyday on all those on whom He has bestowed mercy.

2. Where in Scripture did you get the statement in bold from abeg? Are you somehow trying to tell me that Moses's rod which swallowed up the others exists even to this day and will forever?

Ecclesiastes 3:14
"I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever:"

The rod was called Moses' rod for a reason. It abode with Moses until his death. He climbed to the top of Pisgah with it. Did the rods swallowed by Moses' rod ever return to the magicians who owned them? The magicians lost their rods, and they lost them forever.

FxMasterz:
■ So, God would not do miracles in the lives of those on whom He has had mercy? Then, what would be the difference between those who receive God's mercy and those who don't? God performs miracles everyday on all those on whom He has bestowed mercy.
■ Ecclesiastes 3:14 "I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever:"
■ The rod was called Moses' rod for a reason. It abode with Moses until his death. He climbed to the top of Pisgah with it. Did the rods swallowed by Moses' rod ever return to the magicians who owned them? The magicians lost their rods, and they lost them forever.

This is why I say your religious folks do not worship the God of Israel or His Son, Jesus Christ.

1. The God of Israel said He will have mercy on whoever He chooses to have mercy on. He had mercy on Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, Nineveh, etc., all of them non-Israelites and hence non-worshippers of Him. The God of Israel has mercy on all of mankind daily(including the idol worshippers and the wicked). This means that everyone on the planet experiences his mercy regularly. There is no such thing as "those who receive God's mercy and those who don't". God of Israel made clear that He pours out His mercy on both the wicked and the ungrateful. Everything is from God regardless of its source. However, it is not from Jesus Christ who instead made clear that the mercies are instead from God.

2. Are you certain that you have a clear understanding of what the author meant in that context? Think carefully about what you read. God created human beings but humans do not live for eternity nor will they all endure to eternity. Does that mean that statement in Ecclesiastes is invalid?

3. You did not answer the question. Does that same rod currently exist somewhere today? Was it meant as an eternal rod? Yes or No?

FxMasterz:


You mean you'll be convinced about medical science if a dentist does the work of a gynecologist on your pregnant wife?

Your analogy does not tally with the discussion. According to the Bible, Jesus said in John 14:12-14

''Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it".

Jesus never restricted any of his believers to only casting of demons. You just made that up.

Chrisrare:
Your analogy does not tally with the discussion. According to the Bible, Jesus said in John 14:12-14

''Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it".

Jesus never restricted any of his believers to only casting of demons. You just made that up.

The children of God grow in the Spirit as the children of men grow in the physical. As I grow, a time would come when I would do higher things. Presently by the grace of God, I can cast out devils and do healing. When I have higher assignments, I'll be able to deliver on them too. For now, that's what I'm sent to do.

FxMasterz:
■ The children of God grow in the Spirit as the children of men grow in the physical. As I grow, a time would come when I would do higher things. Presently by the grace of God, I can cast out devils and do healing. When I have higher assignments, I'll be able to deliver on them too. For now, that's what I'm sent to do.

That may apply as far as your religious gods of men but what you continue to assert does not apply as far as the God of Israel, and Jesus Christ. These claims of yours violate Jesus Christ in so many ways.

Did you know that Judas was equally sent out by Jesus Christ to cast out demons, heal the sick, etc. - Matthew 10 vs 1 - 4?

1 Jesus called his twelve followers together. He gave them power over evil spirits and power to heal every kind of disease and sickness.
2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: Simon (also called Peter), Andrew, the brother of Peter, James, the son of Zebedee, John, the brother of James,
3 Philip, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, the tax collector, James, the son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus,
4 Simon, the Zealot, Judas Iscariot (the one who handed Jesus over to his enemies). - Matthew 10 vs 1 -4

Kobojunkie:
This is why I say your religious folks do not worship the God of Israel or His Son, Jesus Christ.

1. The God of Israel said He will have mercy on whoever He chooses to have mercy on. He had mercy on Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, Nineveh, etc., all of them non-Israelites and hence non-worshippers of Him. The God of Israel has mercy on all of mankind daily(including the idol worshippers and the wicked). This means that everyone on the planet experiences his mercy regularly. There is no such thing as "those who receive God's mercy and those who don't". God of Israel made clear that He pours out His mercy on both the wicked and the ungrateful. Everything is from God regardless of its source. However, it is not from Jesus Christ who instead made clear that the mercies are instead from God.

So when the God of Israel has mercy on people, He would do nothing for them? Answer my question.

2. Are you certain that you have a clear understanding of what the author meant in that context? Think carefully about what you read. God created human beings but humans do not live for eternity nor will they all endure to eternity. Does that mean that statement in Ecclesiastes is invalid?

Whatever God does, abides forever. That means it never fails at any time. Once healed, forever healed.

3. You did not answer the question. Does that same rod currently exist somewhere today? Was it meant as an eternal rod? Yes or No?

Where did you read that the rod was an eternal rod? Did God create The rod? The rod swallowed up that of the magicians. Who among them got his rod back till today?

Kobojunkie:
That may apply as far as your religious gods of men but what you continue to assert does not apply as far as the God of Israel, and Jesus Christ. These claims of yours violate Jesus Christ in so many ways.

!b]Did you know that Judas was equally sent out by Jesus Christ to cast out demons, heal the sick, etc. - Matthew 10 vs 1 - 4? [/b]

And so?

FxMasterz:
■ So when the God of Israel has mercy on people, He would do nothing for them? Answer my question.
■ Whatever God does, abides forever. That means it never fails at any time. Once healed, forever healed.
■ Where did you read that the rod was an eternal rod? Did God create The rod? The rod swallowed up that of the magicians. Who among them got his rod back till today?

1. Um....Healings, casting out of demons, raising from the dead... are some of the mercies of the God of Israel.

2. You mean like, "Once raised from the dead will never die again, right?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Come on!

3. Na your own words I dey try to understand though. You mentioned the rod as evidence for your claim that God's work is forever, I am like does that mean the rod was some sort of eternal rod of some kind?

FxMasterz:
And so?

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1 Jesus called his twelve followers together. He gave them power over evil spirits and power to heal every kind of disease and sickness.
2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: Simon (also called Peter), Andrew, the brother of Peter, James, the son of Zebedee, John, the brother of James,
3 Philip, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, the tax collector, James, the son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus,
4 Simon, the Zealot, Judas Iscariot (the one who handed Jesus over to his enemies). - Matthew 10 vs 1 -4

Judas was able to heal the sick and cast our demons too and He did it by the name of Jesus Christ as well.

Kobojunkie:
😂Judas was able to heal the sick and cast our demons too.

So were the other disciples.

FxMasterz:
■ So were the other disciples.

Again, Judas was able to heal the sick and cast out demons as well.

1 Jesus called his twelve followers together. He gave them power over evil spirits and power to heal every kind of disease and sickness.
2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: Simon (also called Peter), Andrew, the brother of Peter, James, the son of Zebedee, John, the brother of James,
3 Philip, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, the tax collector, James, the son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus,
4 Simon, the Zealot, Judas Iscariot (the one who handed Jesus over to his enemies). - Matthew 10 vs 1 -4

Now if you go back to what Jesus Christ said in Matthew 7, you will see that indeed it does not matter how many miracles and signs of wonders a person does at all, these were never meant as proof of Jesus Christ just as Jesus Christ Himself said.

21 “Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
22 On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’
23 Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.’ - Matthew 7 vs 21 - 23

But here you are showcasing these very same as proof and evidence for Jesus Christ. Clearly, you don't know Jesus Christ since what you assert is opposite of what He in fact taught His followers.

Kobojunkie:
1. Um....Healings, casting out of demons, raising from the dead... are some of the mercies of the God of Israel.

2. You mean like, "Once raised from the dead will never die again, right?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Come on!

3. Na your own words I dey try to understand though. You mentioned the rod as evidence for your claim that God's work is forever, I am like does that mean the rod was some sort of eternal rod of some kind?

Your logic is very faulty. Once raised from the dead cannot mean the person cannot die again. It means he cannot die untimely again.

God's work is forever because the affliction that was terminated cannot happen again in the lifetime of the afflicted.

Kobojunkie:
Again, Judas was able to heal the sick and cast out demons as well. Now if you go back to what Jesus Christ said in Matthew 7, you will see that indeed it does not matter how many miracles and signs of wonders a person does at all, these were never meant as proof of Jesus Christ just as Jesus Christ Himself said. But here you are showcasing these very same as proof and evidence for Jesus Christ. Clearly, you don't know Jesus Christ since what you assert is opposite of what He in fact taught His followers.

When you work miracles in Christ's name and He does it, that's the proof that Christ is real. The person who called on Christ may fail in his persona walk with God as Judas did. That does not mean God didn't work through him.

FxMasterz:
■ Your logic is very faulty. Once raised from the dead cannot mean the person cannot die again. It means he cannot die untimely again.
■ God's work is forever because the affliction that was terminated cannot happen again in the lifetime of the afflicted.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

First of all which one is not an untimely death? Death at age 70? Age 80? Age 90? Age 100? Age 120? Which? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Second, recall that Jesus Christ said all those who become born-again are essentially given a brand new life— an eternal one as opposed to a temporal one. Does this mean that all those among his disciples who died to the temporary life and were raised in the new with Him yet died early were not born again? Stephen, James, etc., were not born-again?
Third and most important of all, where in Scripture is it written that if one is raised from the dead, one will not die this untimely death?😶😶😶😶🤐🤐🤐


2. Interesting ideas! You believe that apart from God there are other powers out there meaning that when God declared that all Powers belong to Him — they all go through Him essentially — God fibbed? 🤐🤐🤐

FxMasterz:
■ When you work miracles in Christ's name and He does it, that's the proof that Christ is real. The person who called on Christ may fail in his persona walk with God as Judas did. That does not mean God didn't work through him.

So, you are saying that Jesus Christ fibbed when He instead said, right there in that passage, that He never knew these workers of iniquity?

21 “Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
22 On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’
23 Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.’ - Matthew 7 vs 21 - 23

Kobojunkie:
So, you are saying that Jesus Christ fibbed when He instead said, right there in that passage, that He never knew these workers of iniquity?

If working miracles is iniquity, do you mean Jesus was working iniquity all the while He worked miracles?

Kobojunkie:
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First of all which one is not an untimely death? Death at age 70? Age 80? Age 90? Age 100? Age 120?[/size] Which? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Every human being knows it when a person has died young. I wouldn't bother to answer you.

Second, recall that Jesus Christ said all those who become born-again are essentially given a brand new life— an eternal one as opposed to a temporal one. Does this mean that all those among his disciples who died to the temporary life and were raised in the new with Him yet died early were not born again? Stephen, James, etc., were not born-again?

The question is unnecessary because we're not talking about being born again or the things that happen to born again people.

Third and most important of all, where in Scripture is it written that if one is raised from the dead, one will not die this untimely death?😶😶😶😶🤐🤐🤐

Did you read that verse that says "Whatsoever God does is forever?" Why are you particular about death of all things that God does for man? Are you afraid of death?

2. Interesting ideas! You believe that apart from God there are other powers out there meaning that when God declared that all Powers belong to Him — they all go through Him essentially — God fibbed? 🤐🤐🤐

This is actually warped logic. Is God not Almighty? If God is Almighty, then it means there are 'mighties' but only God is Almighty.

FxMasterz:
■ Every human being knows it when a person has died young. I wouldn't bother to answer you.
■ The question is unnecessary because we're not talking about being born again or the things that happen to born again people.
■ Did you read that verse that says "Whatsoever God does is forever?" Why are you particular about death of all things that God does for man? Are you afraid of death?
■ This is actually warped logic. Is God not Almighty? If God is Almighty, then it means there are 'mighties' but only God is Almighty

Again, First of all, which one is not an untimely death? Death at age 70? Age 80? Age 90? Age 100? Age 120? Which? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

2. Ah! So, born-agains are not people who have left this life and have been imbued instead with Eternal Life as Jesus Christ said?

3. Please answer the question. Third and most important of all, where in Scripture is it written that if one is raised from the dead, one will not die this untimely death?😶😶😶😶🤐🤐🤐

4. So, God's statement which is that "All Power belongs to Him" is warped logic? Why not simply come out and say you don't believe in the God of Israel and Jesus Christ then? Why pretend you do when all you claim contradicts almost every one of His many claims? 🤔

And how in the world did you twist the term Almighty into meaning that there are mighties but God is mightiest among them all? 🤔

Kobojunkie:
Again, First of all, which one is not an untimely death? Death at age 70? Age 80? Age 90? Age 100? Age 120? Which? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Again every human being knows it when someone dies young.

2. Ah! So, born-agains are not people who have left this life and have been imbued instead with Eternal Life as Jesus Christ said?

Tell me what makes you think this awkwardly.

3. Please answer the question. Third and most important of all, where in Scripture is it written that if one is raised from the dead, one will not die this untimely death?😶😶😶😶🤐🤐🤐

Answer the question, where did you and I start being specific only the raising of the dead is what God does forever.

4. So, God's statement which is that "All Power belongs to Him" is warped logic? Why not simply come out and say you don't believe in the God of Israel and Jesus Christ then? Why pretend you do when all you claim contradicts almost every one of His many claims? 🤔

When did God say that no one else has any power except Himself?

Jesus said: Luke 10:19

"Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over [b]all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you."

And how in the world did you twist the term Almighty into meaning that there are mighties but God is mightiest among them all? 🤔

If you don't understand what God's Almighty power means, see Luke 10:19 for clarity.

FxMasterz:
■ Again every human being knows it when someone dies young. Tell me what makes you think this awkwardly. Answer the question, where did you and I start being specific only the raising of the dead is what God does forever.
■ When did God say that no one else has any power except Himself?
■ Jesus said: Luke 10:19 "Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over [b]all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you." If you don't understand what God's Almighty power means, see Luke 10:19 for clarity.

1. Stop lying! 🤔

Even people who lose their loved ones at age 70 equally complain of them going too early. So, be specific! There are cases where autopsies of deaths of people in their 70s/80s have shown that some were murdered or died of sickness and diseases even then. So this wooroo-wooroo no fly! Define your idea of untimely death so we are on the same page here. And where in Scripture did God of Israel or Jesus Christ specify that when a person is raised from death 🤔

2. It is amazing that one who claims to believe in the God of Israel — YHWH — is asking me this question. YHWH is written as the one who created all things, and it is indicated He is sovereign over all of His creation, His omnipotence— All-Powerfulness—is implied as a result. Regarding scripture, YHWH is said to be All-Powerful because He wields power and control over all He created. Now, tell me, what was not created by YHWH that has power besides that which is YHWH? 🤔

3. I doubt you understand the meaning of the verse you quote or even He whose power you compare it to. Jesus Christ was not there telling His followers that the power He bestowed on them made them equal to YHWH so I am quite shocked that you would quote such as an explanation for God's All-powerfulness. 🤔

Back to what I said earlier, Jesus Christ made clear even Judas was bestowed with the power to do signs and wonders, but Judas did not belong to Jesus Christ as he belonged instead to the devil; this much is quite clear. So to continue using signs and wonders as the yardstick for deciding who belongs to Jesus Christ and who doesn't belong to Jesus Christ proves you know nothing of Jesus Christ or the Father, YHWH, God of Israel.

FxMasterz:


So, when a person comes to me for prayer, his mind is immediately altered as I pray for him or her?

There was a woman whose son was operated on his right leg for elephantiasis. The disease resurfaced and at the time in 2014, she was looking for another 100k for a second operation. She brought the child to me and I laid hands on the leg, praying in the name of Jesus. That was on a Monday morning. The woman came back on Wednesday to show me the reduced size of the leg. The child's leg continued reducing in size until it became as normal as the other.

Tell me whose mind was altered in the above scenario. The woman, the child or both of them? There are many things you don't understand. And you'll never understand until you come to Jesus.

All I have are your claims to go off of which don't mean much to me.
Do you have medical documentation of before and after you prayed for the kid?

Placebo effect, and the impact of Mood & Optimism on health recovery are well documented.
People with headaches have been given sugar pills and told they were painkillers, and have had those symptoms go away.
And people who've had surgery, and had a positive outlook and positive support wether it was blind optimism, or a belief that their god will not let them down, have been shown to have quicker recovery over someone that's negative.
The mind has a substantial impact on the body and health, though not enough to heal an untreated disease, the immune system can't normally fight off like cancer or a parasite.
So I don't doubt a person could genuinely report feeling better after prayer, or some type of religious services.

I can't verify your story, but if true I hope the woman still got her child checked and he's doing better.

Kobojunkie:
1. Stop lying! 🤔

I've heard it many times from liars! I asked you questions and quoted scriptures, what was the lie?

Even people who lose their loved ones at age 70 equally complain of them going too early. So, be specific! There are cases where autopsies of deaths of people in their 70s/80s have shown that some were murdered or died of sickness and diseases even then. So this wooroo-wooroo no fly! Define your idea of untimely death so we are on the same page here. And where in Scripture did God of Israel or Jesus Christ specify that when a person is raised from death 🤔

I'm not defining untimely death to an adult. If you're a kid, I'll understand.

[quote[2. It is amazing that one who claims to believe in the God of Israel — YHWH — is asking me this question. YHWH is written as the one who created all things, and it is indicated He is sovereign over all of His creation, His omnipotence— All-Powerfulness—is implied as a result. Regarding scripture, YHWH is said to be All-Powerful because He wields power and control over all He created. Now, tell me, what was not created by YHWH that has power besides that which is YHWH? 🤔[/quote]

So by implication, Yahweh created the rod of Moses for Moses?

3. I doubt you understand the meaning of the verse you quote or even He whose power you compare it to. Jesus Christ was not there telling His followers that the power He bestowed on them made them equal to YHWH so I am quite shocked that you would quote such as an explanation for God's All-powerfulness. 🤔

Kobojunkie, leave all the mindless babblings.

Jesus said we'll tread over all the 'power' of the enemies. God gave power in measures to all his creations including human beings.

Back to what I said earlier, Jesus Christ made clear even Judas was bestowed with the power to do signs and wonders, but Judas did not belong to Jesus Christ as he belonged instead to the devil; this much is quite clear. So to continue using signs and wonders as the yardstick for deciding who belongs to Jesus Christ and who doesn't belong to Jesus Christ proves you know nothing of Jesus Christ or the Father, YHWH, God of Israel.

Signs and wonders prove that God is real. That's why Jesus said "Jesus therefore said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders, you will in no way believe.” John 4:18.

Then he said: "These signs shall follow them that believe..."

DeusXmachina:


All I have are your claims to go off of which don't mean much to me.
Do you have medical documentation of before and after you prayed for the kid?

Placebo effect, and the impact of Mood & Optimism on health recovery are well documented.
People with headaches have been given sugar pills and told they were painkillers, and have had those symptoms go away.
And people who've had surgery, and had a positive outlook and positive support wether it was blind optimism, or a belief that their god will not let them down, have been shown to have quicker recovery over someone that's negative.
The mind has a substantial impact on the body and health, though not enough to heal an untreated disease, the immune system can't normally fight off like cancer or a parasite.
So I don't doubt a person could genuinely report feeling better after prayer, or some type of religious services.

I can't verify your story, but if true I hope the woman still got her child checked and he's doing better.

Come meet me live on the field and you'll see something. Would I be asking for doctor's report before praying for needy people? Jesus heals. I have never heard of any occasion where placebo effect healed anybody of elephantiasis.

Of course, till I left Ilorin in about 5 years later, the boy had a normal leg and was able to mix well with fellow kids. Meanwhile before I prayed for him, the mother was always backing him and wrapping his leg under clothes so it would not be seen. I prayed for him when he was about 3 or 4 years old. I didn't ask his age.

FxMasterz:
■ I've heard it many times from liars! I asked you questions and quoted scriptures, what was the lie? I'm not defining untimely death to an adult. If you're a kid, I'll understand.
■ So by implication, Yahweh created the rod of Moses for Moses? Kobojunkie, leave all the mindless babblings.
■ Jesus said we'll tread over all the 'power' of the enemies. God gave power in measures to all his creations including human beings.
Signs and wonders prove that God is real. That's why Jesus said "[b]Jesus therefore said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders, you will in no way believe.” John 4:18.[/b] Then he said: "These signs shall follow them that believe..."

1. I am glad you and I know how ridiculous your untimely death idea is since you are unable to offer specifics to define it. Consider the case of a 98-year-old who was murdered by his nurse. Was his case an untimely death or a natural death?

2. That is a dumbass implication in this case similar to the one you made earlier regarding what was stated in Ecclesiastes 3 vs 14. Please quit your mindless babbling at this point. YHWH is All-Powerful because He created all things in Heaven and on Earth. The rod does not have YHWH's power in it but YHWH has power over it because He created it. Again, pay careful attention to the order of things.

3. Stop deceiving yourself! The same Jesus Christ equally said the following in His Gospels.

38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law answered Jesus. They said, “Teacher, we want to see you do a miracle as a sign from God.”
39 Jesus answered, “Evil and sinful people are the ones who want to see a miracle as a sign. But no miracle will be done to prove anything to them. The only sign will be the miracle that happened to the prophet Jonah.
40 Jonah was in the stomach of the big fish for three days and three nights. In the same way, the Son of Man will be in the grave three days and three nights. - Matthew 12 vs 38 - 40

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3 And in the morning, if the sky is dark and red, you say that it will be a rainy day. These are signs of the weather. You see these signs in the sky and know what they mean. In the same way, you see the things that are happening now. These are also signs, but you don’t know their meaning.
4 It is the evil and sinful people who want to see a miracle as a sign from God. But no miracle will be done to prove anything to them. The only sign will be the miracle that happened to Jonah.” Then Jesus went away from there. - Matthew 16 vs 3 - 4

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11 The Pharisees came to Jesus and asked him questions. They wanted to test him. So they asked him to do a miracle as a sign from God.
12 Jesus sighed deeply and said, “Why do you people ask to see a miracle as a sign? I want you to know that no miracle will be done to prove anything to you.”
13 Then Jesus left them and went in the boat to the other side of the lake. - Mark 8 vs 11 - 13

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29 The crowd grew larger and larger. Jesus said, “The people who live today are evil. They ask for a miracle as a sign from God. But no miracle will be done to prove anything to them. The only sign will be the miracle that happened to Jonah.
30 Jonah was a sign for those who lived in Nineveh. It is the same with the Son of Man. He will be a sign for the people of this time. - Luke 11 vs 29 - 30

If you have ever in fact read the book for yourself, you would know this but I guess it is merely ok to create these threads that are pretty much timewasters than spend time actually reading through to get a good grasp of what is in fact written of God, right?

These signs shall follow them.... was never intended by Jesus Christ who equally said the following....

21 “Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
22 On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’
23 Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.’ - Matthew 7 vs 21 - 23

...as a benchmark for determining those who belong to Him. You asserting, against Jesus Christ, that it serves as proof that you do not accept Jesus Christ at all.

Chrisrare:
If Jesus is real, you won't be creating threads to tell us Jesus is real.. You don't see anyone creating threads to tell us gravity is real. When something is fake/imaginary, you spend a lot of time and effort trying to convince people that it's real.

It's because you are walking with your physical senses. The realm of the spirit is more real than this physical world. In fact, the spirit realm controls the physical world. You need faith to understand the spirit realm and rule your world from there.

FxMasterz:

Come meet me live on the field and you'll see something. Would I be asking for doctor's report before praying for needy people? Jesus heals. I have never heard of any occasion where placebo effect healed anybody of elephantiasis.

Of course, till I left Ilorin in about years later, the boy had a normal leg and was able to mix well with fellow kids. Meanwhile before I prayed for him, the mother was always backing him and wrapping his leg under clothes so it would not be seen. I prayed for him when he was about 3 or 4 years old. I didn't ask his age.

Didn't really say placebo cures diseases, I only gave an example with the alleviation of symptoms such as headaches to demonstrate some of the effects of believing something and feeling of wellness. However I did primarily say general optimism does have positive effects on health outcomes. I made these points to demonstrate that I think a person can genuinely report feeling better after something like prayer, but I attribute these to the mind.

Again tho these are your claims, understand that I have no personal reason to believe you and you're evidently not an unbiased observer giving me a retelling.

It's at least good the child is doing alright.
I wouldn't blame a mother for not having documentation as she wouldn't be involved in a debate of proving the power of prayer here because that would be strange, and rather she'd just be more worried about her kid and doing what she believes is right for the child. Neither would I really blame you if it was a spur of the moment thing and you genuinely believe you're helping people by it.

However discussing anecdotes of the supernatural's existence and effects such as healing untreated illness can only go so far, what is needed is hard verifiable data, not stories. Let's not forget about the existence of actual con men that stage things and lie for attention or profit.

Like wouldn't it be awesome if someone was medically diagnosed with brain cancer, and we had that verifiable documentation, and the person went to church and had prayer, only to go back to a hospital and get checked again and we find the cancer gone with no medical treatment and we also have verifiable documentation of that also for example?
It wouldn't be complete proof for specific claims as there are some unaccounted variables, but it would be a genuine start to changing a skeptical mind. At least it would make me reexamine my current beliefs.

FxMasterz:
You Would Never Doubt that Jesus is Real After Seeing This

The reason why many people keep arguing endlessly about Jesus is that so many Believers lack power. Many Christians are too lazy to take up the task of bringing God's Presence to needy men, hence needy men think there is no God. Some think Jesus is a creation of a dead Roman Empire while some others think Jesus was a mere messenger of God like any other prophet. Some even think Jesus is Angel Michael.

Just take a look at some short videos down here. The videos are all less that 2 minutes. You would see supernatural events recorded live. These types of things happen in Pentecostal churches across the globe. Especially in cases where the man of God is a sincere servant of God.

I have heard people who say these things are staged. You mean all these are staged all over the world? Whenever you see someone counterfeiting something, he's doing it in an attempt to copy an original. This means, whenever you see a counterfeit, you can be very sure that the original exists. Some fake pastors counterfeit it but the real manifestation of God's power is in all living Churches.

Meanwhile. these are the very things Jesus does among us to prove to everyone that He is alive.

Every Christian can manifest the power of God. You just need to walk with God. Get baptized in the Holy Ghost and walk in the Spirit. It's that simple.

"These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages." Mark 16:17.

Nobody saves like Jesus!

Give your heart to Jesus today. He loves you very much. Stop doubting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62tqh1us6kU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgbupAPifb4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LljNip-kN14

Are you also aware Muslims and other religions have testimonies like these? That means their gods are legit too. And if theirs is legit, yours is fake cos there could be only one god

Ken4Christ:


It's because you are walking with your physical senses. The realm of the spirit is more real than this physical world. In fact, the spirit realm controls the physical world. You need faith to understand the spirit realm and rule your world from there.

You guys really know how to talk big, but if i ask you for a verifiable proof concerning what you just said, you'll start looking for excuses.

Kobojunkie:
1. I am glad you and I know how ridiculous your untimely death idea is since you are unable to offer specifics to define it. Consider the case of a 98-year-old who was murdered by his nurse. Was his case an untimely death or a natural death?

Go and rest. If you don't understand what untimely death is, ask elders around. Stop disturbing me on this. Whatsoever God does is forever. Why are you fixated on death as if it's only dead men that are raised? Are you afraid of death?

2. That is a dumbass implication in this case similar to the one you made earlier regarding what was stated in Ecclesiastes 3 vs 14. Please quit your mindless babbling at this point. YHWH is All-Powerful because He created all things in Heaven and on Earth. The rod does not have YHWH's power in it but YHWH has power over it because He created it. Again, pay careful attention to the order of things.

God has power over all things, and all powers including what other beings wield are His. He is Almighty because He is the source of all powers that exist. All those who are might were made mighty by Him. And they'll give account unto Him at the end of time regarding the power He has bestowed Upon them.

[quote[3. Stop deceiving yourself! The same Jesus Christ equally said the following in His Gospels.
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If you have ever in fact read the book for yourself, you would know this but I guess it is merely ok to create these threads that are pretty much timewasters than spend time actually reading through to get a good grasp of what is in fact written of God, right?

These signs shall follow them.... was never intended by Jesus Christ who equally said the following.... ...as a benchmark for determining those who belong to Him. You asserting, against Jesus Christ, that it serves as proof that you do not accept Jesus Christ at all. [/quote]

Keep deceiving yourself. It was Jesus that tod us the SIGNS that identifies Believers. Do you know what the word 'Signs' mean?