Apart from English, I don't see how Ireland is better than Spain.

It rains a lot in Ireland. On a day, you can experience sun, windy rain, cold, fog, and fake sunshine, where it's sunny but still cold.

Ireland's wealth is paper wealth. Ireland has one of the highest GDPs in the world, but the people are really poor. Homeless folks scattered around Dublin.

Finding a house in Ireland is like finding a virgin in a hotel. I am not kidding. Try to find a house first before moving, otherwise, you will sleep on the street. In a whole city, there might just be less than ten houses available for rent, and the queues are in the thousands. You won't get it.

Ireland is an island. So you can only fly in and out, not drive in. So holidays will be expensive, unlike Spain where you can just enter the highway and go for a weekend trip with your family.

Spain is also warm. The weather is like Jos. The winter is not brutal, just a bit cold. Spain is also well-populated, so it is not boring to live there.

But make sure you visit Ireland first, don't just jump and move. Go to Naija churches in Dublin and speak to Nigerians there, so you know firsthand and do not make decisions based on imagination.

Ireland is not in the Schengen. So you must pass through a border check every time you leave or enter the country.

Don't take these points seriously sha, it's just my assessment of Spain and Ireland, as someone who has been to both. I just think you will miss Spain after leaving it, especially if your destination is Ireland.

Last last, get an apartment before moving. No joking, there is no house in Ireland. It has a worse housing crisis in Europe, compared to the Netherlands. Please google it. No house to rent in Ireland. I have warned you oo.

pansophist:


Spain is not in the Schengen So you must pass through a border check every time you leave or enter the country.

You mean Ireland

pansophist:
Apart from English, I don't see how Ireland is better than Spain.

It rains a lot in Ireland. On a day, you can experience sun, windy rain, cold, fog, and fake sunshine, where it's sunny but still cold.

Ireland's wealth is paper wealth. Ireland has one of the highest GDPs in the world, but the people are really poor. Homeless folks scattered around Dublin.

Finding a house in Ireland is like finding a virgin in a hotel. I am not kidding. Try to find a house first before moving, otherwise, you will sleep on the street. In a whole city, there might just be less than ten houses available for rent, and the queues are in the thousands. You won't get it.

Ireland is an island. So you can only fly in and out, not drive in. So holidays will be expensive, unlike Spain where you can just enter the highway and go for a weekend trip with your family.

Spain is also warm. The weather is like Jos. The winter is not brutal, just a bit cold. Spain is also well-populated, so it is not boring to live there.

But make sure you visit Ireland first, don't just jump and move. Go to Naija churches in Dublin and speak to Nigerians there, so you know firsthand and do not make decisions based on imagination.

Spain is not in the Schengen. So you must pass through a border check every time you leave or enter the country.

Don't take these points seriously sha, it's just my assessment of Spain and Ireland, as someone who has been to both. I just think you will miss Spain after leaving it, especially if your destination is Ireland.

Last last, get an apartment before moving. No joking, there is no house in Ireland. It has a worse housing crisis in Europe, compared to the Netherlands. Please google it. No house to rent in Ireland. I have warned you oo.

You are correct Boss,

Spain is a lovely country to be honest. Although money no too dey for the country but them get peace of mind.

tosinhtml:


You mean Ireland

Yes. I mean Ireland. I have redacted it.

Lordbinsmar:


You are correct Boss,

Spain is a lovely country to be honest. Although money no too dey for the country but them get peace of mind.

Spain is very lovely. I like Barcelona so much. It's just nice, surrounded by mountains, and so damn multicultural, not in an anglophone way, but all around. Spain as a country is so damn beautiful. It is breathtaking. Driving across Spain is so cool.

The poster can leave Spain, but switching Spain for Ireland is like Switching Cape Town for Maiduguri.

In just a few hours, you can be in Portugal, France, etc, unlike Ireland where you always need a plane to leave the country, since it's surrounded by water.

exnovio:
I really want to thanks each and everyone here who gave their advice here to guide me on this crucial decision,those who advised in favor and those who are against.God bless you,am reflecting on every single piece you dropped here.
Spain is my home ,the people here ,are lovely,no other country in the world come close in terms of legalisation of immigrants status,the weather is perfect,the cities are beautiful ,the transport network is one of the best in the world ,cost of living is moderate.
But Spain the system is conservative ,there are lots of immigrants in Spain mostly from Latin countries and Morrocco who were born here,their fathers were brought here centuries ago,they schooled and strive here,but you rarely see them having a good job,there are some jobs here they tell you only for white Spanish,in my 19 years living here I have only seen one black bus driver I was shocked because it’s rare here.i had a Spanish gf some years ago she was one the bosses in a Bank,she came home one day telling me she saw a black girl in her place of work she was stunned,and the girl happened to be a Nigerian who lived studied in the Uk, got the job in the Uk transferred to Madrid.But in the Uk and other Anglophone countries this is so common,so my relocating is mainly because of my kids.

Men this is bullshit to be honest. If I wanted to move to Spain I would have moved earlier in the year with a very very very good salary sef. Train your children well, let them study good courses and acquire good skills and they will be fine. A Spanish nationality is amongst the top 3 in the world.

exnovio:
I really want to thanks each and everyone here who gave their advice here to guide me on this crucial decision,those who advised in favor and those who are against.God bless you,am reflecting on every single piece you dropped here.
Spain is my home ,the people here ,are lovely, no other country in the world come close in terms of legalisation of immigrants status,the weather is perfect,the cities are beautiful ,the transport network is one of the best in the world ,cost of living is moderate.

That is not true, please. There are other countries with more economic opportunities that have better and more straightforward legalisation processes for immigrants.

But Spain the system is conservative ,there are lots of immigrants in Spain mostly from Latin countries and Morrocco who were born here,their fathers were brought here centuries ago,they schooled and strive here,but you rarely see them having a good job,there are some jobs here they tell you only for white Spanish,

But but but but...I keep reading on the Internet that Japan and even China are racist to non-East Asians such that they don't get the best jobs!!!!!!!! In Japan and China, as long as you are qualified, you get employed. Japanese, as I have gone through the process, DON'T care about the colour of your skin provided you speak Japanese, do the damn job, work long hours as they do, get paid and home. No one gives a damn! Just do the job and go home. Finish!

in my 19 years living here I have only seen one black bus driver I was shocked because it’s rare here.

Where is Mr Papilagreen who had the temerity to suggest Norway, Sweden and Luxembourg for black African migrants to move to instead of the United States?!!!! If this is how it is in Spain wey no get work for the natives, how much more in Nordic countries where it has been reported they discriminate against Southern Europeans? Heck, Spaniards don't have good jobs for their cousins from South America! But a Nigerian supposedly living in God's Own Country suggested that black Africans should omit the US and move to Luxembourg!!!!! Mr Papilagreen has yet to respond to my question if he has seen a black manager of MacDonalds in Oslo? A black nurse in Stockholm?

i had a Spanish gf some years ago she was one the bosses in a Bank,she came home one day telling me she saw a black girl in her place of work she was stunned,and the girl happened to be a Nigerian who lived studied in the Uk, got the job in the Uk transferred to Madrid.But in the Uk and other Anglophone countries this is so common,so my relocating is mainly because of my kids.

Mr IbeOkehie is right when he says God Bless The King! Anglophones MUST live till the end of time. This is why I say wherever you see an Anglophone White man and Chinese/Japanese, you have greater chances of being employed there as a black man.

tensazangetsu20:


Men this is bullshit to be honest. If I wanted to move to Spain I would have moved earlier in the year with a very very very good salary sef. Train your children well, let them study good courses and acquire good skills and they will be fine. A Spanish nationality is amongst the top 3 in the world.

They must do so in the US, no ifs or buts. There is nowhere on earth that black people, skilled professional or blue collar, have more economic opportunities than in God's Own Country - The United States of America. Not even in sub-Saharan Africa - home to more black people than elsewhere.

Are You happy and comfortable in Spain? If the answer is yes,remain there.Get an English tutor for your kids.When they finish secondary school, send them to an English speaking country for university. They will be at an advantage if they can speak both Spanish and English.

exnovio:

Now for the sake of my kids I decided to relocate from Spain, because I want my kids to be English orientated because here in Spain the chances for them to succeed is slim ,first choice was Scotland but I ruled it out because of this brexit thing,so settled for Ireland because its the only English speaking country in the EU where I can easily settle and start work as European passport holder.

Well, in my own view, there are many TEFL schools in Spain! I was wondering why speaking the English language would be a hassle for children that can attend TEFL/ESL schools.

You can also enroll your children in high schools that teach English language.

Your children can sit for SAT, TOEFL, or IELTS, and apply for their first/second degree in anglophone countries.

Hey bro.. papi is here now..
Just woke up here and saw your message for me.. it is 6:48am here sleep still dey my eye small but make i try respond to you small.
Let me start by saying too much of everything is bad like you said they ain't much blacks in the Nordic regions right.
Okay well let me explain to you why I pulled out those countries instead fo america.

P.S I am not here to insult anybody or talk down at any body what I say here is my honest opinion and it shouldn't stop you from taking your decision coming to America. Infact if anybody tells me he is she is coming to America I will be very happy. So please this is in no a means to discourage you from coming or relocating over because it might be the best decision you ever taken in your life to change it for the best or the worst.

Now back to my answer for you. Firstly I want to start with this. Days back I was talking about what they call REDLINING in American residence in regions where people live.
Now I never know this till I got to America and I knew the history more. This one guy said he read about the redlining I just laughed.

You see the American (black American) only had it good in general when president obama was president and that was it you can do more research on this.
Please try and read more intensely about the reason the group THE BLACK PANTHERs came about in the black people community and what they stood for.
Also did you know that during the cuba war era the USA government funded the Cuban war by importing large amounts or cocaine and flooding it in the street of black community to make them addicts and use those drug money from the black regions to
Help fight Cuban war. Hence more appropriate way of how the redlining started . Do you know till today there are places called SUNDOWN TOWNS in America I mean all part of America where no black man can pass the night there once it is 5pm any colored skin individual if you miss your directions while driving or something and go pass these towns there is a 99% possibly that you will never make it out of tht town.
And they boldly write it so others can see SUNDOWN town. Colored Stay away. And they have these all part of the USA and funny part is we have them more in Texas where many of our nigerians live and they don't know they are living just few miles away from sun down town thats why many colored people gets missing and never found. Do you want me to pull up the missing black people statistics compared to white Americans for you? Amd funny part is that they don't do much about it the authorities.
Dont get me wrong there are very awesome loving white people here in America infact fun fact na oyinbo woman I marry and my daughters are biracial. I have had my own shear of racism while I was in my first university here in America and it was nobody else but my professor straight up told me. And I left that school and never looked back.

Now i want to tell you something you think our Nigerian police are corrupt? Lol we dey learn for where them olokpa dey here. You see my wife use to work for the state police. She couldn't take the racism, discrimination and corruption going on there she quit that job and had to stay about 8 months jobless looking for job before she found one. She now work on the federal level too but with a different government organization.

Baba you say blacks are more safe with Chinese or white Americans, for the Chinese I can't say but the white, you somehow wrong. 19% out of a 100 are good and care about colored people feelings and how they live.
Whited here the recist here they don't hide it they tell you straight up and they kill you easy
You no hear of the Nigerian boxer wain one white man shoot few days ago? Because the black guy struggled and stated making a good name in that community the while man started envy and jealous of him. Public shooting read more about it.

Also you talk more about jobs let me try explain something to you here now finally.
I'm those countries I mentioned gun violence is regulated real good here in America you fit japa came here today make some body just shoot you for no reason.
Don America try and avoid gas stations at all cost only go when you have to mostly in black neighbourhood high chance of getting shot at for no reason cause some other gang will mistake you for their other rival you mind the color of cloth you wear here when you go out colors signifies hood gang the more you know the better.
America has the best education system America has the best education system we dey shout for Nigeria but do you know 79% of black American children never made it to graduate high school (equivalent to secondary school in Nigeria) but tell me how many of your brothers no go school them get ND. Many black American can't red and write why? The system made it so. For America secondary school na their prison as a black man. But I guess you never knew.
Now you talk about working in McDonald's as a black man. But I am here to tell you that working in MacDonald is the same equivalent to an okada Rider or a road side street vendor in Nigeria that is how we compare them to those of us living in Amer can confirm this word A person working in mcdonald is equivalent to a roadside food vendor in nigeria.
Now those set of people make peanuts as salaries here in America compared to the work they have to put in. And funny part is that they have to take a second or even third job to be able to live afloat because the pay they get from mikideess is not enough.
Now let me tell you something if you work at places like McDonald's, Walmart, target, save a lot, sonic etc you don't make good enough pay unless you the manager there and it takes years to get there. Fun fact is as a black man no matter how hard you work, 1 out of a 100 you can see a black manager at Walmart or these places I called let more a Nigerian as manager.
Bro see with respect to jobs lol see make I tell you truth no job for America jobs no dey like before after covid hit everything changed go look my post I replied one Mr know all guy I sent some tiktok videos go watch them and read the comments from the Americans living here and trust me if you want more of those videos i got them sir. Honestly forget reading all those blogs go tiktok listen to the pains and cry's of people living it first hand.

Finally bro like I said if I had the same opportunity I had now in choosing btw America and some European countries I mention above I go leave America cause na me know watin I dey talk.
American are not happy people forget the show they put on its just the fact. Forget the cars houses etc na debt not paid for living borrowed life style.

Gerrard59:


That is not true, please. There are other countries with more economic opportunities that have better and more straightforward legalisation processes for immigrants.



But but but but...I keep reading on the Internet that Japan and even China are racist to non-East Asians such that they don't get the best jobs!!!!!!!! In Japan and China, as long as you are qualified, you get employed. Japanese, as I have gone through the process, DON'T care about the colour of your skin provided you speak Japanese, do the damn job, work long hours as they do, get paid and home. No one gives a damn! Just do the job and go home. Finish!



Where is Mr Papilagreen who had the temerity to suggest Norway, Sweden and Luxembourg for black African migrants to move to instead of the United States?!!!! If this is how it is in Spain wey no get work for the natives, how much more in Nordic countries where it has been reported they discriminate against Southern Europeans? Heck, Spaniards don't have good jobs for their cousins from South America! But a Nigerian supposedly living in God's Own Country suggested that black Africans should omit the US and move to Luxembourg!!!!! Mr Papilagreen has yet to respond to my question if he has seen a black manager of MacDonalds in Oslo? A black nurse in Stockholm?



Mr IbeOkehie is right when he says God Bless The King! Anglophones MUST live till the end of time. This is why I say wherever you see an Anglophone White man and Chinese/Japanese, you have greater chances of being employed there as a black man.

Papilagreen:


Now back to my answer for you. Firstly I want to start with this. Days back I was talking about what they call REDLINING in American residence in regions where people live.
Now I never know this till I got to America and I knew the history more. This one guy said he read about the redlining I just laughed.

I have read about such places.

You see the American (black American) only had it good in general when president obama was president and that was it you can do more research on this.
Please try and read more intensely about the reason the group THE BLACK PANTHERs came about in the black people community and what they stood for.
Also did you know that during the cuba war era the USA government funded the Cuban war by importing large amounts or cocaine and flooding it in the street of black community to make them addicts and use those drug money from the black regions to
Help fight Cuban war. Hence more appropriate way of how the redlining started . Do you know till today there are places called SUNDOWN TOWNS in America I mean all part of America where no black man can pass the night there once it is 5pm any colored skin individual if you miss your directions while driving or something and go pass these towns there is a 99% possibly that you will never make it out of tht town.
And they boldly write it so others can see SUNDOWN town. Colored Stay away. And they have these all part of the USA and funny part is we have them more in Texas where many of our nigerians live and they don't know they are living just few miles away from sun down town thats why many colored people gets missing and never found. Do you want me to pull up the missing black people statistics compared to white Americans for you? Amd funny part is that they don't do much about it the authorities.

Interesting stuff you have here. The reality is that Black people are NOT LOVED anywhere.

Also you talk more about jobs let me try explain something to you here now finally.
I'm those countries I mentioned gun violence is regulated real good here in America you fit japa came here today make some body just shoot you for no reason.
Don America try and avoid gas stations at all cost only go when you have to mostly in black neighbourhood high chance of getting shot at for no reason cause some other gang will mistake you for their other rival you mind the color of cloth you wear here when you go out colors signifies hood gang the more you know the better.

I do agree that the gun violence and how random is a major problem.

Now you talk about working in McDonald's as a black man. But I am here to tell you that working in MacDonald is the same equivalent to an okada Rider or a road side street vendor in Nigeria that is how we compare them to those of us living in Amer can confirm this word A person working in mcdonald is equivalent to a roadside food vendor in nigeria.

I mentioned McDonald's to broaden the breadth of professionals. Everyone cannot be a tech bro or finance sis. Again, I maintain my stance that becoming a manager at McDonald's is possible for a black person in the US than anywhere in Northern Europe.

Now those set of people make peanuts as salaries here in America compared to the work they have to put in. And funny part is that they have to take a second or even third job to be able to live afloat because the pay they get from mikideess is not enough.
Now let me tell you something if you work at places like McDonald's, Walmart, target, save a lot, sonic etc you don't make good enough pay unless you the manager there and it takes years to get there. Fun fact is as a black man no matter how hard you work, 1 out of a 100 you can see a black manager at Walmart or these places I called let more a Nigerian as manager.

The chances of being the same in Norway are ZERO. That is the difference. For the bold, rising the career ladder takes time anywhere. No one becomes a manager overnight.

Bro see with respect to jobs lol see make I tell you truth no job for America jobs no dey like before after covid hit everything changed go look my post I replied one Mr know all guy I sent some tiktok videos go watch them and read the comments from the Americans living here and trust me if you want more of those videos i got them sir. Honestly forget reading all those blogs go tiktok listen to the pains and cry's of people living it first hand.

America has more jobs than the whole of Europe. High paying jobs for that matter. The chances of a black person being employed in the US are higher than in the EU. In fact, this thread we are on is because the OP is worried about children's prospects in the EU. Here is a North African who experienced the same in France: https://x.com/eldivyn/status/1806044030918328472?t=ZsRM--KqNnuskfAR4Yoo1g&s=19

Finally bro like I said if I had the same opportunity I had now in choosing btw America and some European countries I mention above I go leave America cause na me know watin I dey talk. American are not happy people forget the show they put on its just the fact. Forget the cars houses etc na debt not paid for living borrowed life style.

Your choice, but the reality is that Nigerians in the US are the wealthiest set of Nigerians in the diaspora.

P.S. It is hilarious you believe your chances are higher in countries whose languages are not Germanic nor English over a place with the biggest economy whose major language is English - which you grew up with in Nigeria. BTW, what is your visa status in the US?

Lastly, I can never believe a Nigerian would have it easier in Norway than in the US. The facts don't support such a mendacious claim.

I will not argue with you at all because these points you just made might be 100% true because you have experience in that region of the world but also in as much as everywhere in the world is not perfect, from my experience I would love to experience other cultures to see where I fit in life.
Also I want to bring to your reasoning that a Nigerian can make it anywhere in as much as he or she is given a drivable environment where they can thrive. A Nigerian is a Nigerian anywhere in this world it's just about how we all approach things in life towards our goal to success.
Finally, I will say this it is better for a Nigerian to learn something of a professional skills and I mean skills that will meet todays innovation in life I am not talking about just plumbing or mechanics or electricians any more. We already have them alot here in America. The skills I am referring to are modern day advance skill like Artificial intelligence, cinematography, videography I.e, vfx, editing, quantum computing, robotics and most of all
3D animation ( i.e, blender, unreal engine, Maya and the rest). These are the trends in America and you can be a great free lancer and work from anywhere in the world and make a minimum of $90 to 140k a year.
These are things one can start a background knowledge just from using YouTube.
I pray our younger generations see this is the path if they want to keep up in today's and tomorrows world.

Gerrard59:


I have read about such places.



Interesting stuff you have here. The reality is that Black people are NOT LOVED anywhere.



I do agree that the gun violence and how random is a major problem.



I mentioned McDonald's to broaden the breadth of professionals. Everyone cannot be a tech bro or finance sis. Again, I maintain my stance that becoming a manager at McDonald's is possible for a black person in the US than anywhere in Northern Europe.



The chances of being the same in Norway are ZERO. That is the difference. For the bold, rising the career ladder takes time anywhere. No one becomes a manager overnight.



America has more jobs than the whole of Europe. High paying jobs for that matter. The chances of a black person being employed in the US are higher than in the EU. In fact, this thread we are on is because the OP is worried about children's prospects in the EU. Here is a North African who experienced the same in France: https://x.com/eldivyn/status/1806044030918328472?t=ZsRM--KqNnuskfAR4Yoo1g&s=19



Your choice, but the reality is that Nigerians in the US are the wealthiest set of Nigerians in the diaspora.

P.S. It is hilarious you believe your chances are higher in countries whose languages are not Germanic nor English over a place with the biggest economy whose major language is English - which you grew up with in Nigeria. BTW, what is your visa status in the US?

Lastly, I can never believe a Nigerian would have it easier in Norway than in the US. The facts don't support such a mendacious claim.

Papilagreen:
I will not argue with you at all because these points you just made might be 100% true because you have experience in that region of the world but also in as much as everywhere in the world is not perfect, from my experience I would love to experience other cultures to see where I fit in life.
Also I want to bring to your reasoning that a Nigerian can make it anywhere in as much as he or she is given a drivable environment where they can thrive. A Nigerian is a Nigerian anywhere in this world it's just about how we all approach things in life towards our goal to success.
Finally, I will say this it is better for a Nigerian to learn something of a professional skills and I mean skills that will meet todays innovation in life I am not talking about just plumbing or mechanics or electricians any more. We already have them alot here in America. The skills I am referring to are modern day advance skill like Artificial intelligence, cinematography, videography I.e, vfx, editing, quantum computing, robotics and most of all
3D animation ( i.e, blender, unreal engine, Maya and the rest). These are the trends in America and you can be a great free lancer and work from anywhere in the world and make a minimum of $90 to 140k a year.
These are things one can start a background knowledge just from using YouTube.
I pray our younger generations see this is the path if they want to keep up in today's and tomorrows world.

Thanks for outlining the in-demand skills young people should focus on. So much have be said about plumbing et al.