LionInZion:


Did you just say naivety and complacency? Well, I call it deliberate permissiveness, and it's more due to the benefit they thought they could derive from it. Whether that panned out as they envisaged is another discussion entirely. Because I don't want to believe a govt as sophisticated as UK govt was so naive not to know that immigration route was being exploited or clueless enough not to know how to curtail the abuse early enough before it boomeranged.

And it will be interesting to see that MAC report that says those low skilled positions do not offer economic benefit. If they agree those roles filled employment areas that are shunned by British people and at the same time saying they offer no economic benefit, that to me sounds like oxymoron.

Yes I did call it that. This is the first time a work visa route had been abused on this scale and they completely underestimated the desperation of people to migrate from Africa and South Asia, and also the level of exploitation of the so called care agencies.
I fail to see what the government stood to gain from allowing tens of thousands of people to gain illegal entry (because although the visa was legal on paper, the underlying sponsorship was fraudulent) to the country, and then have no employment and no taxes to pay. And if the government approved of the CoS racketeering, then why have they spent the last few months investigating and revoking sponsorship licenses?

The MAC report stated that the economic benefit from certain sectors was negative when compared to the pressure on public services and that realistically the benefit lay in filling those roles that people do not want to do.

lavida001:

Would like to see the numbers of illegal migrants.

From today, yesterday or what period in time?

AgentXxx:
I informed my Manager from the start too (though informally during our 121) but I have been documenting it in a HR platform we use called Culture Amp after all of our weekly meetings but during last week meeting, another twist came in as he claims to have suffered depression and was on anti depressants for years and music is what makes him focus and he suffers mood swings which have left me clueless on how to handle his case. Mental health seems to be most excuse used in here. Wallahi, I don tire .

Let me guess, this fella is not one of us in Kendrick voice.

Lexusgs430:



When HMRC sends you a brown envelope demand, due to underpayments, hope you would be equally pleased........ 🤣😜

That mostly happens where one has a second job and didn't notify HMRC, thereby incorrect tax deductions are made due to wrong tax code. Not only would the brown envelope be debt, but penalty fees may be required or added and/or even face prosecution for tax evasion. You go explain taya!

Zahra29:


Erm do you remember when you were on the health visa thread many months ago, pleading advising people not to pay for sponsorship, citing its illegality etc and the amount of abuse you received? (I was afraid to step in and support you 😂). That is one of the ways thousands of people got in - buying CoS off the many sham agencies without even having a care job. Agents/main applicants also arranged for sham partners and dependants to be added to the applications and several thousand got in this way also. Even Sky did a report on this, the practice was common in the south Asian countries.

Boris' govt said they only expected about 40k migrants to come in via the route, in the end it was at least 5 times that amount due to the route being abused and the initial naivete and complacency of the govt (e.g not performing background checks on agencies before granting them sponsorship licenses). That's how the numbers got to where they are now and the strict policies and checks recently introduced which have led to many agencies losing their sponsorship licenses.

Were they not keeping track of the numbers of visa issued? The truth is they needed the money to stabilize their economy. They got the money but don't want the people Typical colonial tactics

Zahra29:


Lol....oops and I had already replied you in the spirit of this heat wave. My bad

Recommend a cost-effective fan Biko. i cant sleep last night.

lavida001:

[b] Were they not keeping track of the numbers of visa issued? [/b]The truth is they needed the money to stabilize their economy. They got the money but don't want the people Typical colonial tactics

Not really. It was when the ONS migration figures were released that the full scale of the levels of migration became apparent and the proverbial hit the fan.

Once again, how was the government making money from people who bought CoS and then had no jobs when they arrived in the UK and so could not pay any taxes? Unless the agencies gave the government a cut of their significant racketeering proceeds?

Zahra29:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lambeth-council-chief-executive-bayo-dosunmu-police-arrest-charge-b1166919.html

Such a high profile position and fantastic salary, likely now down the drain

Max he will get is 7 years in jail or fine.

lavida001:


Recommend a cost-effective fan Biko. i cant sleep last night.

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/5784527?clickSR=slp:term:fan:11:17:1

Simple, no gimmicks fan, but very powerful and durable.

lavida001:


Recommend a cost-effective fan Biko. i cant sleep last night.

10 fans won't save you oo... Two are blowing me right now and it's oven breeze they are delivering

Only portable AC would save you! We have one, but madam keeps discouraging me from switching it on. I don't want to know her reason and I no get power to use am, 'alone'.

Zahra29:


https://www.argos.co.uk/product/5784527?clickSR=slp:term:fan:11:17:1

Simple, no gimmicks fan, but very powerful and durable.

What's really special about this your fan? Would it convert the heat to ice pellets?
Most fans are powerful and durable, they would only circulate same hot air.

Zahra29:


Not really. It was when the ONS migration figures were released that the full scale of the levels of migration became apparent and the proverbial hit the fan.

Once again, how was the government making money from people who bought CoS and then had no jobs when they arrived in the UK and so could not pay any taxes? Unless the agencies gave the government a cut of their significant racketeering proceeds?

Visa fee.

Zahra29:


https://www.argos.co.uk/product/5784527?clickSR=slp:term:fan:11:17:1

Simple, no gimmicks fan, but very powerful and durable.

Na who you go send back to village you dey find. Wetin i wan use that amount of fan for?

toughest007:


What's really special about this your fan? Would it convert the heat to ice pellets?
Most fans are powerful and durable, they would only circulate same hot air.

In my experience not all fans have the same power. I've used this fan for years, I also have a portable Aircon unit but I haven't used it in a while.

£42 is actually a very decent price for the quality - others are closer to £100....but you could try the below instead, it's only £12 ☺️

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/5811146?

lavida001:


Visa fee.

Visa fee of less than £1000? No IHS fees. No taxes in many cases , with access to NHS, schools etc. Wouldn't that quickly become a deficit for the government?

Zahra29:


In my experience not all fans have the same power. I've used this fan for years, I also have a portable Aircon unit but I haven't used it in a while.

I want to believe what you meant by 'power' is the capacity of the fan to move air (humid air) faster, thereby giving some limited satisfaction analogous to having to smell your favourite dish and not being able to actually eat it.

You dey under fan but you still dey feel hot

AC is the only answer to this heat wave!

toughest007:


I want to believe what you meant by 'power' is the capacity of the fan to move air (humid air) faster, thereby giving some limited satisfaction analogous to having to smell your favourite dish and not being able to actually eat it.

You dey under fan but you still dey feel hot

AC is the only answer to this heat wave!

It depends on what your house and ventilation is like. I haven't used my AC since I moved home, the fan is only needed on hot days.
This isn't even a proper heat wave compared to previous years as it's going to be cooler from tomorrow thank God. In 2019 it was near/over 30 degrees for 6 weeks straight. That was something else.

Electric bills on a portable AC unit are crazy, especially if you run it through the night. If you own the property it's worth looking into a permanent and more efficient solution like a wall mounted unit.

lavida001:


Let me guess, this fella is not one of us in Kendrick voice.

Is this necessary? If the shoe was on the other foot we would come and be shouting racism.

makazona:
Why is the Tory party always arrogant? You will never hear from them. They never reach out. It's been Labour and the Green Party.

Tufiakwa Ndi Conservatives.

All of this costs money to print. Then volunteers to deliver them to you.

The Tories have no money despite taking racist's money. They also have few volunteers ( who wants to be called names?)

Cat visiting garden?

Zahra29:


Visa fee of less than £1000? No IHS fees. No taxes in many cases , with access to NHS, schools etc. Wouldn't that quickly become a deficit for the government?

Is this high immigration figures only coming from care visa alone? Was student visa holders not included?

lavida001:


Recommend a cost-effective fan Biko. i cant sleep last night.

Just buy any fan from Argos. I think the trick is to leave all windows open for cross ventilation.

lol you guessed right. Young chap(25) been out of school for over three years, been collecting Universal credit and following a music passion where he gets 50£ for a gig that comes twice a month. First job and he seems not ready and prefers his unemployed life.

If na one of us Dey do this, na to carry am go for deliverance or ruqyah because he sure say na curse. 😂

lavida001:


Let me guess, this fella is not one of us in Kendrick voice.

So many suprises and I would wonder what the future of the Briton Next Generation is (Because he has many friends who are unemployed and would prefer the Universal credit and the twice a week Music Gig they get)😒

I enrolled him in a course that would let him use the Saas platforms we use in the organisation, My guy was asking me “does he have to do it?” 😂

He wants to be paid but doesn’t want to work. Universal credit is sweet money 🤩. My guy is going to France next week with his gf 😝

justwise:


Like others have stated..see yourself as a messenger in this case, whatever he says put it in writing and pass it on to your manager or HR.

Mental healthy is a touchy issue in work place and open for abuse, All you have to do is to listen to his concerns and not question or argue with him. At the end he will be asked to bring in doctor or GP report to back up his claim or mental health, though i'm not sure that individual is interested in that job.

Zahra29:


Visa fee of less than £1000? No IHS fees. No taxes in many cases , with access to NHS, schools etc. Wouldn't that quickly become a deficit for the government?

It would and it did, but that's the way the government thinks. Cash upfront and forget the other cost implications as those are either long-term or can be left for future governments to worry about. Visa fees are a money spinner.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/01/home-office-makes-800-profit-on-some-visa-applications

toughest007:


That mostly happens where one has a second job and didn't notify HMRC, thereby incorrect tax deductions are made due to wrong tax code. Not only would the brown envelope be debt, but penalty fees may be required or added and/or even face prosecution for tax evasion. You go explain taya!

Not required to notify HMRC when you get a first or second job, it's your employer's responsibility to do that when they payroll you. Regarding HMRC messing up their calculations, they dont need anyone's help to do that. Each time I change jobs I always cringe when its time for my first pay because they generally mess up my tax code and set the estimated income at some outlandish figure.

Cyberknight:


It would and it did, but that's the way the government thinks. Cash upfront and forget the other cost implications as those are either long-term or can be left for future governments to worry about. Visa fees are a money spinner.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/01/home-office-makes-800-profit-on-some-visa-applications

Visa fees go to the Home Office mainly and they make enough profit from other skilled worker visas, family visas, visiting visa applications etc.

My point is I don't think they're so strapped for cash or short sighted that they would endorse tens of thousands of fraudulent visa applications that they know have no valid employment attached.

justwise:


Is this high immigration figures only coming from care visa alone? Was student visa holders not included?

Student visa dependents were the main issue and this route was also open to abuse with some brokering an agreement with a fake "spouse" dependant to help pay their fees in return for a visa to the UK.

AgentXxx:
He wants to be paid but doesn’t want to work. Universal credit is sweet money 🤩. My guy is going to France next week with his gf 😝

Have you watched channel 4 programme called Benefit Britain? Look for it and watch then you will understand why he is acting like that

Zahra29:


Visa fees go to the Home Office mainly and they make enough profit from other skilled worker visas, family visas, visiting visa applications etc.

My point is I don't think they're so strapped for cash or short sighted that they would endorse tens of thousands of fraudulent visa applications that they know have no valid employment attached.

It was common knowledge in the migrant communities and increasingly in the papers that there was a lot of fraud going on with the COS and care visa back in 22 and 23. Nigerians were making TikTok videos upandan, others were advertising on social media, the UK papers were publishing stories well before the HO finally acted.