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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 11:17pm On Jun 27
TheGoodJoe:


KDB is easily better than Lampard and Ballack. kendrick9 is 100% right. When you guys say things like these, it shows you guys actually don't watch City games. Lampard can't touch De Bruyne at all.
For me I can't say who's better but if we use the same metrics you use for Zidane vs KDB then you will have to accept that lampard is better or using your word more effective
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 11:21pm On Jun 27
kendrick9:
What battles did Lamp fight?
Why didn't he fight those battles for England abI na only for Chelsea cause he had had protection playing in a good system.
Lampard best attribute was arriving late in the box...
And KDB fought any battle for Belgium πŸ‡§πŸ‡ͺ

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 11:22pm On Jun 27
The fact remains I was the first to mention his name here. Watching him play that day I immediately knew he is a great talent. It is not hard to check whoscore/livescore for a player's position.
I made my comment based on what I was seeing on the pitch. I could easily have checked whoscore/livescore for his position before posting. lol!

I agree with your point then, only after confirming his role from whoscore, however on the pitch he wasn't playing that role! Only Motta can explain!
His assist against Czech came from the midfield-- A central midfielder position.
TheSuperNerd:
And you ask who wouldn't? Well, maybe just you. Anyone who watched Bologna would easily tell he was either LCB or LB. It was not hard to figure out.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 11:23pm On Jun 27
TheGoodJoe:


KDB is easily better than Lampard and Ballack. kendrick9 is 100% right. When you guys say things like these, it shows you guys actually don't watch City games. Lampard can't touch De Bruyne at all.
Don't mind them, even Maradona can't be compared with KDB. Abi no be so?
The GoodJoe come out now, abeg is it true Maradona is better than KDB? I would like to know your thoughts and opinions? KDB is very effective, high work rate etc.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:58pm On Jun 27
zicky:
For me I can't say who's better but if we use the same metrics you use for Zidane vs KDB then you will have to accept that lampard is better or using your word more effective

I have used intensity to buttress the difference. You guys are just skipping it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lordofstrings: 11:59pm On Jun 27
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:10am On Jun 28
Marjoribanks:
The fact remains I was the first to mention his name here. Watching him play that day I immediately knew he is a great talent. It is not hard to check whoscore/livescore for a player's position.
I made my comment based on what I was seeing on the pitch. I could easily have checked whoscore/livescore for his position before posting. lol!

I agree with your point then, only after confirming his role from whoscore, however on the pitch he wasn't playing that role! Only Motta can explain!
His assist against Czech came from the midfield-- A central midfielder position.

Inverted left back and center backs. Most modern coaches invert wingbacks and center backs to the midfield.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:13am On Jun 28
Meliforme:
Super eagles midfielders with the most long balls

Kelechi Nwakali
Raphael Onyedika
Ifeanyi Mathew

Finidi targeted a long ball strategy against the South Africans, he did not invite Kelechi Nwakali and Ifeanyi Mathew. Raphael Onyedika that he did invite even started from the bench.

Honestly, it is only them that know what they are coaching.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:16am On Jun 28
chrisooblog:
Stat sheet don't tell the whole story but they give a good indication of how effective a player was and Lampard's record speaks for itself which is impressive considering he played in an era facing exceptional midfielders who most coaches would play ahead of KDB in a heartbeat..

Great managers like Mourinho, Ancelotti, Hiddick saw Frank first hand and he was always one of the first names on the team sheet so I will definitely take their observation over someone with an agenda to cook.

Plus you've still failed to state in what area KDB surpasses Lamps. Bring facts non of these emotional ad hominem you have been dishing out since morning.

Overall work rate. Kevin De Bruyne influences both areas of the game. He puts in as much offensive work as he does defensively, making him key to the overall performance of the team. He works in a far higher tempo than Lampard.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 12:19am On Jun 28
E.g John Stones at City! Exactly my point!
Imagine watching Stones for the first time when Pep played him in midfield!
How would have guessed he is a defender except you are told or you check.
TheGoodJoe:


Inverted left back and center backs. Most modern coaches invert wingbacks and center backs to the midfield.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 4:15am On Jun 28
kendrick9:
Nah you're just blinded by nostalgia.
Which is funny cause Lampard wasn't even an exciting player.πŸ˜†
He got like half his goals from Pens and deflections.
Don't get me wrong Lampard was a good player, a goal scoring midfielder, but KDB is just a better footballer
disagree with the bolded but I agree that KDB is more complete
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 4:31am On Jun 28
Mujtahida:

He came to Nigeria for the 1999 U - 20. His name was Ronaldo then.
first time I saw him play, took a keen interest after he scored a very funny penalty against Croatia

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 4:36am On Jun 28
mostob:
That's why I added Omeruo and Ekong though. I don't think Balogun would want to come back again.
he want to

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:27am On Jun 28
TheGoodJoe:


Honestly, it is only them that know what they are coaching.

I believe something is wrong somewhere with how we make appointments.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 6:56am On Jun 28
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 7:05am On Jun 28
TheGoodJoe:


I have used intensity to buttress the difference. You guys are just skipping it.
so lampard vs KDB you use intensity, Zidane vs KDB you use effective. You make the rules πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:12am On Jun 28
zicky:
so lampard vs KDB you use intensity, Zidane vs KDB you use effective. You make the rules πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

That is where the gulf in class comes from. The intensity from De Bruyne is on another level.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:29am On Jun 28
jihday:
first time I saw him play, took a keen interest after he scored a very funny penalty against Croatia
Yeah I remember that penalty but couldn't remember the country he played that penalty that rolled ever so gently over the touch line with the goalkeeper crawling back towards the direction of the ball after Dinho had wickedly sent him flying the other way

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lbrichman2: 7:49am On Jun 28
Meliforme:


I believe something is wrong somewhere with how we make appointments.

We lack a purposeful and systematic approach to both appointments and call-ups
How do we want the SE to play?
That should determine the profiles of coaches we look at and also the players we call up

But no
We jumble everything together and hope for the best

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Hanibal(m): 8:49am On Jun 28
TheGoodJoe:


That is where the gulf in class comes from. The intensity from De Bruyne is on another level.
In that case,the skill level of Zidane compared to De Bruyne is on another level, that is where the Gulf in class comes from grin
You've always argued for De Bruyne with effectiveness, now a name has been thrown up that matches or even surpass him in effectiveness, you're shifting goal post undecided

Baba please stop changing metrics to protect a position ... Na komekn way be that and we don leave am, na only newbies here fit dey follow am drag topic, make we no add you.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:55am On Jun 28
Hanibal:

In that case,the skill level of Zidane compared to De Bruyne is on another level, that is where the Gulf in class comes from grin
You've always argued for De Bruyne with effectiveness, now a name has been thrown up that matches or even surpass him in effectiveness, you're shifting goal post undecided

Baba please stop changing metrics to protect a position ... Na komekn way be that and we don leave am, make we no add you

I have never argued about that. Zidane can do things with the ball that Kevin De Bruyne can't dream of. I have always maintained that.

Where the confusion came in came to preference. I prefer Kevin De Bruyne because of his offensive contributions over Zidane. Does not mean Zidane's technical impact is not impactful or downplaying Zidane in anyway. I prefer De Bruyne's wingfielder approach.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 8:55am On Jun 28
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 9:13am On Jun 28
Marjoribanks:
E.g John Stones at City! Exactly my point!
Imagine watching Stones for the first time when Pep played him in midfield!
How would have guessed he is a defender except you are told or you check.
If you indeed watched the game properly, you would know. The team structure while defending and attacking will give you a hint.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 9:14am On Jun 28
jihday:
he want to
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 9:18am On Jun 28
TheGoodJoe:


Manchester United parked bus in FA Cup finals. That is enough to tell that you are just arguing.

When Manchester City meets top quality sides, we face them head on. Lampard in Chelsea most times were sitting deep because of lack of competition.

Watch this clip.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz8ZEZkE4pM

Watch how De Bruyne works his socks off for the team. Watch his intensity. The distance he runs to create space. The passes. Look at his work rate in the plays.
Intensity does not mean it is better na. Many players have more energy, more pace, more athleticism than Maradona, Pele, Zidane, Berbatov, Pirlo, Figo na yet they cannot stand in the shadows of these men. I don't think intensity is a skill set in football and the fact that you hammer on intensity so much as perhaps the quintessential quality of modern football and players highlights one of the problems of modern football.

Frenetic pace of life does not mean that that by itself makes life better than when people lived at a more relaxed pace.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 9:30am On Jun 28
I'm talking about 2021 Champions League Final clearly you didn't read what I wrote.

TheGoodJoe:


Manchester United parked bus in FA Cup finals. That is enough to tell that you are just arguing.

When Manchester City meets top quality sides, we face them head on. Lampard in Chelsea most times were sitting deep because of lack of competition.

Watch this clip.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz8ZEZkE4pM

Watch how De Bruyne works his socks off for the team. Watch his intensity. The distance he runs to create space. The passes. Look at his work rate in the plays.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:56am On Jun 28
lbrichman2:


We lack a purposeful and systematic approach to both appointments and call-ups
How do we want the SE to play?
That should determine the profiles of coaches we look at and also the players we call up

But no
We jumble everything together and hope for the best

Very yes.

Developing a model is vital to any progress.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:01am On Jun 28
Mujtahida:

Intensity does not mean it is better na. Many players have more energy, more pace, more athleticism than Maradona, Pele, Zidane, Berbatov, Pirlo, Figo na yet they cannot stand in the shadows of these men. I don't think intensity is a skill set in football and the fact that you hammer on intensity so much as perhaps the quintessential quality of modern football and players highlights one of the problems of modern football.

Frenetic pace of life does not mean that that by itself makes life better than when people lived at a more relaxed pace.

It is the combination of it. Intense work rate and outstanding technique. Look at David Silva, Xavi and Iniesta. Watch when their teams lose the ball and how they play in a frantic way.

Look at Kovacic, Bernardo Silva, Foden in midfield, you see pace and skill in their midfield game. It is the work rate to win the ball and cause damage with their skills. Then still work hard to get close or inside the box to help create goals.

This is a vital toolkit for the modern day midfielder.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:06am On Jun 28
chrisooblog:
I'm talking about 2021 Champions League Final clearly you didn't read what I wrote.


It is impossible to compare De Bruyne and Mason Mount career wise since Mason Mount came into the scene. Heck, did he not lose his place in Chelsea and also struggling in Manchester United?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 2:42pm On Jun 28
TheGoodJoe:


It will take tactics going to nil for technical play to dominate. I just don't see it happening. What we will rather see is tactical advancement that will make technical play look horrifying.
You did not understand what I meant.

I meant if someone turns up in the future and start belittling the quality of today's game making it look inferior to theirs.
What would be your likely reactions considering the fact that u watched KDB,Messi and co played .

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