Gerhards:








Useless thing, see where humanly organized life,has gotten us into. Igbos are liberal in nature, we don't worship kings like sheep

I feel your pain . If you dont want us to start digging out your history, tell your kinsmen to be careful how they try to talk down on other tribes.

You said igbos are what?


If igbos are liberal in nature, why didn't you guys reject the warrant chiefs that the British appointed to rule you?

These warrant chiefs are now known as Obi's in igbo land today . You guys are currently wearing the winter caps/head warmer left over by the British as your traditional head gear.

So what happened to your liberal nature?

saddler:


I feel your pain . If you dont want us to start digging out your history, tell your kinsmen to be careful how they try to talk down on other tribes.

You said igbos are what?


If igbos are liberal in nature, why didn't you guys reject the warrant chiefs that the British appointed to rule you?

These warrant chiefs are now known as Obi's in igbo land today . You guys are currently wearing the winter caps/head warmer left over by the British as your traditional head gear.

So what happened to your liberal nature?

Look at your history, arguing with you is like arguing with a mad man

saddler:


Your ancestors were not sensible enough to even be humanly organized.

As at the time of the Benin Empire, the reigning form of human organization were Kingdoms and Empires. And Benin built one that stood out in what will later be known as Nigeria. It was even recognized by the outside world.

This is also a fact you can check.

Let's ask...what did your ancestors achieve? What were they known for? Cannibalism and being raided and sold as slaves.


Even other Ethnic groups such as the Igala raided igbo villages and captured your ancestors. They took your lands and even installed their kings. Till today there are kings in igbo land( Enugu) who testify they are from Igala.

Do you know what is called ",The Bight of Benin"?


Benin Enpire was so great and recognized that the a bight along the West African coast was named after it.

Do you also know the Republic of Benin 🇧🇯?

That country derived it name from the Bight of Benin.


What do you call that? Greatness


At a time your ancestors were still in the bush, Benin was already being recognized by world powers as at that time.

No need schooling you on the obvious. Next time you want to discuss or argue history, be careful about what you write and leave Benin out of your falsehood. Benin history is too documented to be distorted by a low-life like you.

I'm not supposed to reply you again but this will be my last reply

I want to know first how old you are that you don't seem to assimilate things easily

What is so hard in understanding that igbo operated a different system of government? A Democratic system!

They were not savages like your people who worshipped their Kings

Igbo subgroup had their civilization,NRI had so many achievements and were not terrorists but well-behaved humans who ruled using priests as head instead of Kings

The Nsukka war was fought with a subgroup of igbo with igala . When will you understand it was nearly impossible to capture Igbo back then because of how they were divided into sub groups

Even Nsukka eventually dominated the igala people and got their influence back.

The ebonyi sub group fought with Igala twice ! Twice and defeated them on both occasion.

Your whole hype about your ancient people are nothing but cock and bull story , all nonsense. Minority tribe who have nothing to show for

Igbo were great then , they re great now and will be great forever.

saddler:


I feel your pain . If you dont want us to start digging out your history, tell your kinsmen to be careful how they try to talk down on other tribes.

You said igbos are what?


If igbos are liberal in nature, why didn't you guys reject the warrant chiefs that the British appointed to rule you?

These warrant chiefs are now known as Obi's in igbo land today . You guys are currently wearing the winter caps/head warmer left over by the British as your traditional head gear.

So what happened to your liberal nature?

Says the person whose ancestors was also enslaved by the British

The British we're much more powerful and were too big to fail

Yes they colonized us , and even till today they are still greater than the people they colonized

If you don't face reality and make your life good .

Voyagerr:


I'm not supposed to reply you again but this will be my last reply

I want to know first how old you are that you don't seem to assimilate things easily

What is so hard in understanding that igbo operated a different system of government? A Democratic system!

They were not savages like your people who worshipped their Kings

Igbo subgroup had their civilization,NRI had so many achievements and were not terrorists but well-behaved humans who ruled using priests as head instead of Kings

The Nsukka war was fought with a subgroup of igbo with igala . When will you understand it was nearly impossible to capture Igbo back then because of how they were divided into sub groups

Even Nsukka eventually dominated the igala people and got their influence back.

The ebonyi sub group fought with Igala twice ! Twice and defeated them on both occasion.

Your whole hype about your ancient people are nothing but cock and bull story , all nonsense. Minority tribe who have nothing to show for

Igbo were great then , they re great now and will be great forever.

The confusion is the population, allow them to continue with their delusion.
. that dude need mental therapist

Gerhards:






Look at your history, arguing with you is like arguing with a mad man

Abeg pity them

I know some omoluabi that's are respectful and smart , it's some elements among them that keep frustrating others

Yoruba are beautiful people , Nigerians are beautiful people

One love

Voyagerr:


Says the person whose ancestors was also enslaved by the British

The British we're much more powerful and were too big to fail

Yes they colonized us , and even till today they are still greater than the people they colonized

If you don't face reality and make your life good .

The picture below is how you dress traditionally today.

Just take a quick look at what the man below is wearing. There is nothing on him that is indigenous to igbo culture. From the head wear to dress, they all came after colonization by British.

There was basically nothing about igbos before the whitemen came.

Voyagerr:


Abeg pity them

I know some omoluabi that's are respectful and smart , it's some elements among them that keep frustrating others

Yoruba are beautiful people , Nigerians are beautiful people

One love

My wife is a yoruba, with children, Ijebu precisely, very good and kind but fear those with political affiliation, these are the guys doing the damages to their good people, non of them is interested in Ilorin matter, their focus now is Lagos, what a tribe!!

saddler:


The picture below is how you dress traditionally today.

Just take a quick look at what the man below is wearing. There is nothing on him that is indigenous to igbo culture. From the head wear to dress, they all came after colonization by British.

There was basically nothing about igbos before the whitemen came.

According what you read from your Lagos/Ibadan express propaganda, look at sophisticated tribe

saddler:


The picture below is how you dress traditionally today.

Just take a quick look at what the man below is wearing. There is nothing on him that is indigenous to igbo culture. From the head wear to dress, they all came after colonization by British.

There was basically nothing about igbos before the whitemen came.

Chai there's no need responding to you again

Akwete cloth were traditional wooven by a subgroup of igbo

It's literally everywhere, you can make your research about it

I see so many of you want to be teaching some igbo their history right? People that already had their own advancement and technology is who you are saying had no history

People who built pyramids? Check the pyramid of enugu

Igbo amaka

saddler:


The picture below is how you dress traditionally today.

Just take a quick look at what the man below is wearing. There is nothing on him that is indigenous to igbo culture. From the head wear to dress, they all came after colonization by British.

There was basically nothing about igbos before the whitemen came.

Dude, if you trace back, every race or ethnicity were at one time or the other walking about butt nekid! The kind of things you try to use for bragging rights are hilarious….especially when one looks at the present dire and hopeless situation of the country you dwell in!

Voyagerr:


Chai there's no need responding to you again

Akwete cloth were traditional wooven by a subgroup of igbo

It's literally everywhere, you can make your research about it

I see so many of you want to be teaching some igbo their history right? People that already had their own advancement and technology is who you are saying had no history

People who built pyramids? Check the pyramid of enugu

Igbo amaka

Chai.

Akwete is Ijebu (aso Olona) then Ijo, before ibos started using it.

https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/872/

Voyagerr:


Chai there's no need responding to you again

Akwete cloth were traditional wooven by a subgroup of igbo

It's literally everywhere, you can make your research about it

I see so many of you want to be teaching some igbo their history right? People that already had their own advancement and technology is who you are saying had no history

People who built pyramids? Check the pyramid of enugu

Igbo amaka

There was a thread some time back on Igbo civilisation and technological advancements in colonial and pre-colonial times….with pics too! It’s hard to trace back and find a particular thread or posts on this forum!

You’re right about the akwete cloth weaving industry!

saddler:


The picture below is how you dress traditionally today.

Just take a quick look at what the man below is wearing. There is nothing on him that is indigenous to igbo culture. From the head wear to dress, they all came after colonization by British.

There was basically nothing about igbos before the whitemen came.

At some point, their society women had to borrow dressing from 👇

LOVEALAIGBO:


There was a thread some time back on Igbo civilisation and technological advancements in colonial and pre-colonial times….with pics too! It’s hard to trace back and find a particular thread or posts on this forum!

You’re right about the akwete cloth weaving industry!

Akwete is originally Ijebu.

While researching the ritual meaning of cloth among the Eastern Ijo of the Niger Delta, I examined the contents of a number of family owned trunks in which were stored old and much valued cloths traded from elsewhere in Africa, Europe, and India. One type of cloth which I frequently found in these collections was this one (See Fig. 1) made up of three, or sometimes four, woven strips that are sewn along the salvage and decorated with supplemental weft-float design. The Eastern Ijo regard this cloth as a valuable heirloom for its trade value and for the fact that its designs evoke spiritual powers associated with the sea .. The Eastern Ijo refer to this particular cloth as ikaki or tortoise, a water spirit (owu) known in Ijo lore for his combination of trickery and wisdom. Not surprising, ikaki cloth is standard attire for kings in certain Eastern Ijo communities.

This textile, like all Ijo cloths, is not indigenous to the Ijo area. Rather, it comes from the Ijebu area of Yoruba land, a region separated from the Eastern Ijo by more than 100 miles of interconnecting rivers and streams (See Fig. 2). The history of its trade to the Eastern Ijo may very well stem from its ritual meaning to the Ijebu Yoruba who are the initial producers of it and in whose culture, the cloth is deeply rooted. This paper will examine the ritual use of this cloth among the Ijebu Yoruba in an effort to determine why it would have been traded outward as it was.

The Yoruba proverb "Eniyan I'aso mi" helps us to explain what cloth means to the Ijebu and other Yoruba peoples. Translated as "People are my cloth", the proverb explicitly equates cloth to the warmth, closeness, and concerns of things that are human. So it is with this weaving from the Ijebu Yoruba area of Nigeria. The Ijebu refer to it generically as aso olona meaning "cloth with patterns, a name derived from its characteristically rich array of weft-float designs. Bearing images of water spirits and other power-laden symbols, the cloth serves as emblems of chieftaincy, priesthood and membership in the ever-powerful Oshugbo society. Thus, it lies at the very core of Ijebu power and leadership as it eventually came to be, albeit on a lesser scale, among the Eastern Ijo.1

chopnaira:

At some point, their society women had to borrow dressing from 👇

Propaganda is different with reality, take a loot at this reality

More on the Akwete clothing 👇👇👇

https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/akwete/

In African Textiles: Color and Creativity Across a Continent (2003), John Gillow defines and explains the origins of the Akwete cloth:

“The Ijebu Yoruba specialize in weaving a cloth that is known in the Niger Delta as ikaki, meaning ‘cloth of the tortoise’. Consisting of three or four strips, sewn selvedge to selvedge, it was often traded eastwards to the people of the Niger Delta. It was traded in the town of Ndoki and, in the mid-19th century, copies started to be made by Igbo women weavers in the nearby village of Akwete. Traditionally woven in darker colours, red, blue, green, purple and black are now popular.

chopnaira:

Akwete is originally Ijebu.

Ewedu has damaged your brain beyond repair

Gerhards:






Ewedu has damaged your brain beyond repair

Ibos dressing in a bit.

How Ibos were discovered before 👇👇👇

The very rich ones.

The lion apoche cloth, Scottish winter cap, akwette, e.t.c are all borrowed.

Cc: saddler

chopnaira:
How Ibos were discovered before 👇👇👇

The very rich ones.

The lion apoche cloth, Scottish winter cap, akwette, e.t.c are all borrowed.

Cc: saddler

Even with all the evidence posted on this thread. Their ego wont let them back down.

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chopnaira:
How Ibos were discovered before 👇👇👇

The very rich ones.

The lion apoche cloth, Scottish winter cap, akwette, e.t.c are all borrowed.

Cc: saddler

Other African must be laughing at your sophisticated tribe, how do you post this kind of photo with confident because every Africans went through this phase even though i don't know where you got it from. you are a disgrace to Africa if you don't know, take a look at this attached photo

saddler:

Even with all the evidence posted on this thread. Their ego wont let them back down.

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And those are even mild evidences. There are pictures where they were completely stark naked. Or the reports where their early politicians had to start fining them for coming to the market naked.

chopnaira:

And those are even mild evidences. There are pictures where they were completely stark naked. Or the reports where their early politicians had to start fining them for coming to the market naked.

Yoruba man

chopnaira:
How Ibos were discovered before 👇👇👇

The very rich ones.

The lion apoche cloth, Scottish winter cap, akwette, e.t.c are all borrowed.

Cc: saddler

You don't seem to be knowledgeable enough to know that we had different sub group of igbo

Look at the clothing around them , they wore clothing to cover where they felt were important

Even till today some part of zulu don't wear cloth and it's like their tradition!

You seem to think because they were not all covered from head to toe that means they were not civilized? You don't have any sense at all

Akwete was worn by another sub group of igbo and they were completely covered

The Nri have different belief, they covered where they deem important, like the men covered the private part while the lady their pu**

And rape wasn't even still common then

Their mode of dressing doesn't equal that they did not have civilization

Instead it shows that even in this 21st century with the level of information and education around you cannot think properly.

End.

chopnaira:
How Ibos were discovered before 👇👇👇

The very rich ones.

The lion apoche cloth, Scottish winter cap, akwette, e.t.c are all borrowed.

Cc: saddler

Akwete was not borrowed ! The Chiefs and kings had different mode of dressing and clothing

Same with the people, till today we have some dressing only chiefs and titled men wear

All igbo sub group have their civilization, the fact that you're linking their mode of dressing to your claim about civilization is wild

Till me how they were able to make bronze , art of lost wax even before the British, they even built pyramids

Even your Benin people couldn't build one , Nri was arguably the most advanced in their time .

They had religious practices so advanced.

chopnaira:

And those are even mild evidences. There are pictures where they were completely stark naked. Or the reports where their early politicians had to start fining them for coming to the market naked.

This is even years after the British discovered Benin

Now look and you will notice naked people right? And also people who are not naked right?

Like I said everyone all had their mode of dressing and thinking

Because their breast were visible outside doesn't mean they are not civilized

Even the present day south Africa still dress naked in their culture.

It's a choice, it's their culture , their mode of dressing.

Because it doesn't match what you want to see doesn't mean they're uncultured.

So try again

Voyagerr:


Akwete was not borrowed ! The Chiefs and kings had different mode of dressing and clothing

Same with the people, till today we have some dressing only chiefs and titled men wear

All igbo sub group have their civilization, the fact that you're linking their mode of dressing to your claim about civilization is wild

Till me how they were able to make bronze , art of lost wax even before the British, they even built pyramids

Even your Benin people couldn't build one , Nri was arguably the most advanced in their time .

They had religious practices so advanced.

I supplied solid proof from universities. Where is your own proof?

https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/akwete/

https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/872/

Voyagerr:


You don't seem to be knowledgeable enough to know that we had different sub group of igbo

Look at the clothing around them , they wore clothing to cover where they felt were important

Even till today some part of zulu don't wear cloth and it's like their tradition!

You seem to think because they were not all covered from head to toe that means they were not civilized? You don't have any sense at all

Akwete was worn by another sub group of igbo and they were completely covered

The Nri have different belief, they covered where they deem important, like the men covered the private part while the lady their pu**

And rape wasn't even still common then

Their mode of dressing doesn't equal that they did not have civilization

Instead it shows that even in this 21st century with the level of information and education around you cannot think properly.

End.

I don't care about clans or whether they are proud of being nude. They are ibos. All the dressings they have today now is borrowed.

chopnaira:

I supplied solid proof from universities. Where is your own proof?

https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/akwete/

https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/872/

I don't see any solid proof other than emotion riding over common sense, are you even bothered to know what happened in Ilorin?