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Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 11:00pm On Jun 29 |
Bay FC are playing like they are down to 9 players. What in the parking of buses is going on here 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 11:04pm On Jun 29 |
Sunnyson8: Oh ok thanks |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by ekehopp2: 4:05am On Jun 30 |
Sunnyson8: I know say Ordega go dey this imposed list. That Boss NFF woman na her God mother. Nigeria we hail thee 😁😁😁 |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by Sunnyson8: 5:01am On Jun 30 |
ekehopp2: Aunty Ruth David😂😂😂 E no get who No know the Story 1 Like
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Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by Sunnyson8: 5:05am On Jun 30 |
Ifeoma Onumonu missing a 1 —V— 1 in the closing minutes of the game against Portland Thorns. Anyways welcome back from injury, she hasn’t been in action since ending of March. Nicole Payne started for the Thorns but was substituted in the 62minutes.
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Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 6:29am On Jun 30 |
Olympics: Controversy as officials ‘force’ Ordega on Falcons coach https://punchng.com/olympics-controversy-as-officials-force-ordega-on-falcons-coach/
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Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 8:00am On Jun 30 |
BascoVanVeli: BascoVanVeli and naptu2 I still remember this argument when I said players were being forced on Randy and Basco especially insisted that wasn't the case. Now 2 news report in 24 hours has vindicated me. There's now reportage that this happened at the last world cup too. Hope you at least acknowledge it this time. 2 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 8:04am On Jun 30 |
lovewins: I never argued anything about players being forced on the coach. My argument was that if you feel that any player should not be in the team, then you should hold the coach, the FA and the authorities responsible for it. Every player has the right to dream and want to be in a team, but it us up to the aithorities to make the decision, not the player. That is and has always been the case and is still the case. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 8:08am On Jun 30 |
naptu2: naptu2, do you now understand my reason why I said we need to shame players like this? You remember when we had that conversation and I said what obtains in the west doesn't necessarily apply here. Players like Ordega use their influence to get themselves forcefully into the team at the expense of younger ones. You were arguing that it was the responsibility of the coach to not invite them and I argued it was beyond him. Didn't have conclusive evidence at the time, but now with this reporting it put things in clearer perspective. Players like Ordega should be shamed (even though they are shameless). She forcefully got herself into the World cup team and is doing exactly the same now. You don't treat people like that with kids glove, you shame them. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 8:11am On Jun 30 |
naptu2: That was my counterargument. It was that you can hold the coach responsible when players are being forced on him. It was what then led to the argument on whether or not the NFF was forcing players on Randy. So your position while the idea does apply in this case, not when the player in question is actively working in consort with some officials to sabotage the team which is the case here and has always been the case. You underestimate the extent some Nigerians can go to elevate their interest above that of the country. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 8:13am On Jun 30 |
lovewins: I repeat, IT IS NOT ABOUT THE PLAYER A player cannot pick him or herself into the team. It is about the officials. The argument then was about Onome Ebi. We all saw that Onome still wanted to be in the team, but she was no longer selected, why? Because the officials did not select her. Every player can dream, hope, pressure, etc. That's normal, but it is not their duty to select the team. If you read the article I posted, you will see that they did not put the blame on Ordega, but on the madam that included her. Why? Because it is the fault of that madam. I repeat, shaming the player does nothing. Did it stop Onome Ebi from wanting to be in the team? No. But the officials stopped her. Why? Because it is the officials that are responsible for selecting the team, not the players |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 8:19am On Jun 30 |
naptu2: Your argument is still flawed. It is like saying someone KNOWINGLY enjoying the proceed of corruption isn't liable in the court of law. Let's even remotely assume that Ordega isn't an active participant in this (which obviously isn't the case), don't players like this have a responsibility to refuse invitations they know came by shady means? Will the official in question go to great lengths to include Ordega without her consent? I don't disagree with holding officials accountable, but you seem to be totally absolving the players in question which is the problem for me. Players are free to dream, but no sane person goes where they aren't wanted, except those who cheated others to get there. 2 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 8:29am On Jun 30 |
lovewins: 1) You shaming the players achieves nothing. If you ask any footballer to choose between not being shamed and going to a global tournament, theu will take the shame every single day, so your shame will not stop any player from wanting to be in the team. Perfect example is Onome Ebi. 2) My dad was a sports administrator decades ago. I remember Green Eagles players coming to our house, but it's not about them coming to our house it's about what my dad would decide to do. I repeat, it is up to the officials. 3) It's not only in Nigeria, all over the world players will do anything to be in the team. In 1990 and 1994 it was the President of Cameroon that got Roger Milla into the team. I was angry in 1994. Cameroon had better and younger players. Jean Claude Pagal slapped the coach on the training ground when he told him that he was not going to make the team (because the President of Cameroon wanted the older and famous players). Remember Romario wanting to be in the 2002 squad and Baggio also? It is up to the officials. No player can pick his or herself. Even your claim of bribery is just a claim, no concrete proof. Players will put pressure on officials and coaches to be picked. Coaches can do like Thomas Dennerby and quit, officials can go to their superiors and the media to complain. There are manu things that they can do, but no player picks the team. The one who picks the team is the one who decides, who is at fault and who is to blame. He is the one that you can influence through political pressure and he is the one that has the most to lose 3 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 8:35am On Jun 30 |
No player believes that he or she is not good enough. I can see that the player is not good enough, you can see that the player is not good enough, but the player will believe that he or she is good enough. No player lobbies to go to the World Cup or Olympics to go and disgrace himself or herself. The player believes that he or she is good enough to give the best. It is up to coaches and officials to see that the player is not good enough and to say no. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 8:51am On Jun 30 |
naptu2: Did I at any time mention bribery? I don't believe I did, but just in case I did let me correct that. I believe I used the word influence. I can't prove bribery even though I'm not necessarily ruling it out. Shaming players doesn't necessarily translate in players being left out, but it will.be on record they were to some extent held accountable. When we recall events like this historically it will be on record how certain people got their way. Players are free to be shameless but fans shouldn't also be told not to shame which is the point. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 8:54am On Jun 30 |
naptu2: This is where you are wrong. Players at some point come to that realization. At the beginning of their career every player thinks they are the best in the world. However few years into it every player can tell you at what level they play even if they publicly feign ignorance. And yes players can lobby to go to events as bench players just for the monetary incentive attached. This is Africa where there is extreme poverty and people do literally anything for money. How is this inconceivable to you? |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 8:56am On Jun 30 |
lovewins: 1) That also depends on what you mean by "shaming". Obviously people have freedom of speech and nobody can take that away, but there are limits to freedom of speech. 2) History will easily forget the shaming. It happens all the time. Jay Jay Okocha, Nwankwo Kanu, etc. there are many players that Nigerians tried to shame, but nobody remembers that any more. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 9:02am On Jun 30 |
lovewins: I am not wrong at all. In fact, what I said is the norm. If a player believes that he or she is no longer good, then they'll retire. But if a player is in the Russian league and scoring goals and getting acclaim there, then they'll believe that they are the best in the world. Perceptions differ and are not always accurate. That's why people always argue about awards, because people have different perceptions and each person believes that their own perception is correct and others are wrong. You see a player arguing that they should have won an award and you wonder how, but they truly believe it. Players that have reached national team level, played in clubs all over the world, etc lobby to go to global events for the glory. They won't if they are not good enough because the embarrasment would affect not just their ego, but their future prospects. Only upcomers and unknowns lobby for the money and that's not what we are talking about here (besides, experienced players know that they often get owed and that there is stress attached to national team football). |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 9:54am On Jun 30 |
naptu2: Ask an average premier league player who they think is the best player in the world and 99% of them won't mention themselves. Delusions like this only happens at the beginning of a player's career. As they grow they also grow out of it. Only very elite players have the privilege of arguing and everyone in the context of our discourse isn't that. Conversations about who the best player in the world is doesn't extend to Joe Aribo for instance and he also isn't deluded to think that. Also, this is women's football where an average player doesn't earn enough. They'll obviously do anything to scrap. This is even more valid considering that the player in question is nearing retirement. Also, the NFF doesn't typically owe for tournaments because they either get money from the organisers or they get money from the FG. Players re usually owed allowances from qualifiers and at best WAFCON. They almost always get paid for world events. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 9:55am On Jun 30 |
naptu2: By shaming I mean calling them out for being selfish. It doesn't extend to verbal attacks outside the borderline of decency. We've always condemned that. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 9:57am On Jun 30 |
lovewins: But that was exactly what was happening to Onome Ebi and why people spoke out about it. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 10:00am On Jun 30 |
lovewins: Premier League players won't mention themselves because the media would attack them for being too proud. How many times have you seen Premier League footballers fighting over who should take a freekick? Do you remember Drogba vs Ballack? Do you remember when Mido refused to leave the pitch at AFCON or when Kepa refused to be substituted? Did you witness what happened online between Oshoala, Oparanozie and Ordega when the 2017 African Women's Footballer of the year was announced? That gives you an idea of what the issue is. I repeat, no player would risk their future prospects and go to a global competition just to embarrass themselves. That future prospect also includes future earnings. Do you realise that the whole world (including coaches and club officials from all over the world) is watching?? When did 1994 players receive what they were promised? What happened at the 2016 Olympics? How many times have the Falcons protested at World Cups? When did the 1980 Nations Cup team get what they were promised? |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 10:29am On Jun 30 |
naptu2: Much of what Onome received was criticism. Yes some personal attack here and there but the vast majority of the commentary was criticisms. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 10:31am On Jun 30 |
lovewins: Thank God at least you admitted that there were personal attacks. Insults about her appearance, age, etc. to the extent that she had to lock her comments section. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 2:20pm On Jun 30 |
lovewins: Anybody can write a report, next. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 3:12pm On Jun 30 |
BascoVanVeli: I didn't want to go into that, but that's the other issue. I remember that there were reports before the World Cup that the players were going on strike, but the reports turned out to be false. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 4:04pm On Jun 30 |
naptu2: We are literally coming off of the Finidi vs Osimhen situation |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by yinkeys(m): 4:05pm On Jun 30 |
naptu2:Ordega lost her pace How is she going to help the team move on to the QF? We saw her at the World Cup last year We have quicker/better wingers now Even Gift Monday, Opeyemi Ajakaiye may not make that shortlist |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 4:09pm On Jun 30 |
BascoVanVeli: Wasn't expecting you to concede really so not surprised. Hopefully we learn more in the coming days and we'll revisit this. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by Deltamani: 4:11pm On Jun 30 |
yinkeys: Ordega wasn’t inform during the World Cup and it showed in her game, but right now she’s inform and still very much quicker than some of them we have around now… I’m not here to defend her ooo But clearing the fact on what you wrote.. The thing is even the likes of Iffy Onumonu, Nicole Payne and Monday Gift might end up among the Reserves but Forcing a player on the Coach just because you’re a top official in the NFF is very wrong.. Let’s allow Randy do his job, Apart from not picking the Home based players, Randy have been fair with his selections… Anyway I hope the news on ground right now is false cause I haven’t gotten any response from the Person I’m trying to confirm from… |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 4:13pm On Jun 30 |
naptu2: I expect that from Basco not from you. If you believe the news report is false at least say it with your full chest. There's a quote from the NFF GS btw in the report giving some credibility as he didn't explicitly debunk it line they usually do. I don't expect Waldrum to go public with this because of his prior experience, but hoping that we hear more in the coming days. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 4:14pm On Jun 30 |
Deltamani: Looking forward to your confirmation, but hoping that it's false is kinda funny cause this is a open secret. Players have influenced their way into the national team from time immemorial so this wouldn't be new. Like you said, coaches should be allowed the liberty to chose their teams. A legend in Alex Morgan was left off USWNT and heaven didn't fall. Our players should respect themselves 2 Likes |
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