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Ministry To Jws, Part 2 - The 1914 Theology / Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish / "I Have Seen My House In Heaven, I Can't Wait To Go" - Pastor Adeboye (2) (3) (4)
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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by FxMasterz: 6:05pm On Jun 29 |
achorladey: Hahahaha. He and Maxindhouse are just the same. That's not a brainier anyway. He is the role model of Maxindhouse. 2 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 6:08pm On Jun 29 |
FxMasterz: Loool! That is the person called Janosky aka JaNosense 3 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by Emusan(m): 7:13pm On Jun 29 |
achorladey: I can testify to this! But let me see if he will deny it first! 2 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:17pm On Jun 29 |
FxMasterz:Since you're biased nothing can help you now at least you've proved to be a LIAR claiming someone stole your 200k and you are going to involve the police. That's enough to show the type of person you are: FxMasterz: The Israelites has been expecting the Messiah for almost 2,000 years after Moses has revealed to them that this person will teach them the way to salvation {Deuteronomy 18-19} David, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Daniel revealed that the Messiah will rule over the whole world. John appeared in the first century asking them to get baptized in preparation for the Messiah and you're here arguing that the baptism don't mean a preparation to welcome the Messiah's kingship when John himself began doubting Jesus as he didn't come to free him in prison. Abeg go and sit down with your perishing friends after all they don't care worshiping the true God sebi you are going from one religion to another with your lawless religion claiming you're a Christian! Matthew 7:21-23 |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:23pm On Jun 29 |
FxMasterz: Olódo! See illustration! Poisoned food yet their families are eating the so called "POISON" but they're not able to save them neither are they able to present a better canteen where safe food is served. Ọmọ come and learn the use of illustrations from Jehovah's Witnesses!
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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by FxMasterz: 9:40pm On Jun 29 |
MaxInDHouse: Don't try to deflect the matter. You understand the illustration isn't it? The message is passed. If their families don't listen to them, they can't force their families. You get it? The fact that they are able to bring sound biblical basis against your lies for which reason you now fear them commenting on your threads is a testament to the fact that they are getting better food to eat somewhere. 3 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:48pm On Jun 29 |
FxMasterz: That's what we and all the holy ones in JW organization are asking them to tell us: "WHERE" is the better spiritual food just as Jesus' apostles asked him in the Bible i am glad to tell you that Jesus said there's no other place than with the "BODY" that's where wise people with foresight like EAGLES gather! And they answered and said unto him, WHERE, LORD? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the BODY is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. Luke 17:37 KJV The Governing BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses! |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by johnw47: 10:26pm On Jun 29 |
MaxInDHouse: ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool these sewer mouths think they are God's people, how deluded and dum can they be 3 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by johnw47: 10:54pm On Jun 29 |
from carm dot org The Watchtower and the 1914 Generation Since their earliest years, Jehovah’s Witnesses have believed that the end must come within one generation of a supposed invisible return of Christ. According to Watchtower literature today, Jesus is said to have taken his throne as king in the heavens in the year 1914. This is the invisible return. They believe that Matthew 24:34 teaches that the final judgment must occur within a generation of that date. This teaching has proven problematic as 1914 is now over a hundred years past, leading to reinterpretations to try to preserve this failed prediction. The 1874 Generation Many Jehovah’s Witnesses are unaware that their founder’s original teaching was that Jesus’ invisible return was in 1874 rather than 1914. The founder of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Charles Taze Russell, taught that Jesus’ return began in 1874 (though he did not fully ascend to the throne until 1878) and that the day of God’s wrath would be complete in 1914 or 1915. He thus explains that the time between the invisible return of Christ and the end of God’s judgment of the world would be well within one generation.1 In spite of the fact that this failed to transpire, Watchtower literature continued to hold to the 1874 return of Christ through the 1920’s. One publication, for example, plainly stated: “Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus is present and has been since 1874,” (Watchtower Jan 1, 1924 p.5) Thus for some time, the Jehovah’s Witnesses taught that the end must come before the generation of 1874 passed away. Those Alive in 1914 In spite of all this clarity and alleged certainty, the date of Jesus’ “invisible return” was eventually changed to 1914 (the date of Russell’s original prediction for the final judgment). As to the generation, the Watchtower literature explained: “Some persons living A.D. 1914 when the series of foretold events began will also be living when the series ends with Armageddon. All the events will come within the span of one generation,” (Watchtower, Sept 1, 1952) The literature was clear that the “battle of the day of Jehovah” would come “shortly, within our twentieth century.”2 They went on saying for decades things like: “In 1914, he went into action as ruling king. Satan and his demons were promptly hurled out of heaven, this act cleansing the seat of government. (Revelation 12:7-12) The Present world system had entered its final days. The countdown that had proceeded for some six millenniums now nears its zero hour. So close is it that people who were alive in 1914, and who are now well along in years, will not pass off the scene before the thrilling events marking the vindication of Jehovah’s sovereignty come to pass – Mark 13:30,” (Survival into a New Earth, 1984, Pg 185) “It was to our generation that Jesus referred when he added the key thought: ‘this generation will by no means pass away until all things occur.’ (Matt. 25:34) The generation that saw the beginning of woes in 1914 would also see the end of Satan and his entire wicked system of things. Some who were alive then would still be alive when ‘the end’ comes,” (Awake!, 1966, pg 18) The literature even seemed to imply that they did not merely mean just anyone born by 1914, but specifically those who were old enough to actually be witnesses of the things that occurred that year: “Some who saw the events of 1914 will also see the complete destruction of this present wicked world,” (Studies in the Scriptures, 1989, pg 200) We have left the twentieth century behind. We are over a century passed 1914. The Watchtower expectation remains unfulfilled. While there are still a small number of people left who were alive in 1914, perhaps even a few who were old enough to qualify as eyewitnesses, the Watchtower has already begun preparing for the inevitable failure of this prediction by changing the rules again on what they once proclaimed to be so certain. to continue 2 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by johnw47: 10:57pm On Jun 29 |
continue The Overlapping Anointed Generation In the last several years, the Watchtower literature has been changing their interpretation yet again. In 2010, they began explaining: “We do well to keep in mind several things about the word “generation”: It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period; it is not excessively long; and it has an end. (Ex 1:6) How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ words about “this generation”? He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation. That generation had a beginning, and it surely will have an end. The fulfilling of various features of the sign clearly indicate that the tribulation must be near,” (Watchtower, April 15 2010) In 2014 they repeated all of this, and went on to further explain: “Anyone who was anointed after the death of the last of the anointed ones in the first group—that is, after those who witnessed the “beginning of pangs of distress” in 1914—would not be part of “this generation.”—Matt. 24:8,” (God’s Kingdom Rules, 2014, pg 12) and “The anointed ones who are still alive and part of “this generation” are getting on in years; yet, they will not all die off before the great tribulation begins. Therefore, we can conclude that very soon indeed God’s Kingdom will come and exercise its rule over the earth! How thrilling it will be to witness the fulfillment of the prayer that Jesus taught us: “Let your Kingdom come”!” (God’s Kingdom Rules, 2014, pg 12) In other words, “this generation” is now defined as two groups of people. The first is anyone who was already a part of the Jehovah’s Witness “anointed class”3 in 1914. The second group is anyone who became a member of the “anointed class” during the lifetime of the first group. The literature implies that the first group has already died and that the second group is “getting on in years.” What year did the last of the first group die? Just how old is meant by “getting on in years?” The Watchtower leaves all of this far more ambiguous than they used to. Still, this explanation will likely see some further tweaking in the next few decades to allow for an even longer understanding of what it means to be a “generation.” Conclusion: The 1914 Doctrine is Demonstrably False While it’s impossible to read the motives of another man’s heart, these changes at least appear rather telling. If the Watchtower writers really believed their own teachings, you would expect them to see that the 1914 generation was nearly over and to be doubling down with urgency as the end must be upon us any day now. Instead, you see the convenient rewriting of the teachings to buy time while straining the definition of words beyond reason. It seems the leaders of the Jehovah’s Witnesses wish to maintain just enough urgency to keep their people engaged, but that they doubt their own teachings too much to let them stand in the twilight years of their once firm prediction. The Watchtower has a long history of false prophecies due to their poor system of interpreting the Bible. This is another example where a single set of biblical misunderstandings has produced a series of failed predictions and is in the process of producing more before our very eyes. The world did not end in 1914. It did not end before the generation of 1874 passed away. It did not end before the close of the twentieth century. The Watchtower writers have already hedged their bets that they will fail again as we approach the tragic passing away of the last of those who lived to see the year 1914. These predictions have failed, and continue to fail, because the governing body of the Jehovah’s Witnesses is not God’s organization as they falsely claim to be, and they cannot interpret the Bible properly. The whole Jehovah’s Witness system has shown itself to be a lie. 4 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 11:33pm On Jun 29 |
FxMasterz: The truth he knows but denies, lie and manipulate 2 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by FxMasterz: 2:23am On Jun 30 |
MaxInDHouse: Your lies have finished. Nowhere to hide again, it's now time for emotional and psychological wailings. The Israelites has been expecting the Messiah for almost 2,000 years after Moses has revealed to them that this person will teach them the way to salvation {Deuteronomy 18-19} David, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Daniel revealed that the Messiah will rule over the whole world. Stop lying and bring sound biblical basis for these your lies! Baptism of repentance was all John preached. Not baptism as preparation for any kingdom. Did John preach it? Keep quiet and stop defending the lies preached by your satanic leaders that have always failed the test of time. Abeg go and sit down with your perishing friends after all they don't care worshiping the true God sebi you are going from one religion to another with your lawless religion claiming you're a Christian! Matthew 7:21-23 If God shows you mercy, your eyes would open one day. How can you be so blind that even when you cannot defend your lies. you remain so adamant that you have to even resort to abuses and tantrums. May God have mercy on your soul. 3 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by FxMasterz: 2:28am On Jun 30 |
MaxInDHouse: Jesus Christ! The lying governing body with all its failed prophecies, scripture manipulation and all manner of deceptive practices that has produced such a character as Maxindhouse is the Eagle of the global gathering of believers? Lol.. Joke of the Century. 3 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:09am On Jun 30 |
FxMasterz:Hypocrite and liar start praying for your own soul i'm already saved knowing the organization that's doing God's will in my own time and nothing can ever make me leave the path to salvation! Matthew 7:13-14 This is my own PERSONAL discovery not JWs to show you that i'm making my own personal research daily like the Beroeans not just relying on whatever WATCHTOWER drops like your friends. Act 17:11 That's why my own thinking totally differs from theirs so if they're saying i'm lying then all the so called pastors in this world each with different opinions due to their personal discoveries are lying. Do you see where you failed? The baptism of John is surely for repentance in anticipation of the coming Messiah whom they all believe to be the one to take over the kingdom of the world and start his kingship neither you nor anyone on this planet can refute that because Herod the Great tried to kill baby Jesus {Matthew 2:16} John expected Jesus to come and free him in prison {Matthew 11:2-3} the Pharisees decided to kill Jesus because they don't want his type of kingship as their people were falling in love with his teachings {John 11:48} Jesus' disciples after all his teachings expected him to start ruling immediately as he was raised from the dead! Act 1:6 So my guy i'm not like any of your friends who only swallows whatever the WATCHTOWER gave without doing their own personal research surely all first century Jews expected Jesus to start ruling in the first century which was a wrong expectation just as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES also had in 1914! |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:32am On Jun 30 |
FxMasterz: He who has ears let him listen! Matthew 13:9 Ask any of your friends on this forum or go out there and show any member of Jehovah's Witnesses what i'm showing you here none of them has ever heard of this because it's not in any of WATCHTOWER publications! So instead of arguing blindly like an hypocrite do your own personal research and get back to me on what Jesus meant in that verse. Here is it again! He was relating what will happen in our own time after he has been enthroned in heaven which happened in 1914 so true Christians will be going about their usual daily activities which is normal but God's Holy Spirit will be used to baptize some while others will not be anointed {Luke 17:31-35} that's when his disciples asked him: "WHERE, LORD?" And he responded with the words: “Where the BODY is, there also the EAGLES will be gathered together" Luke 17:37 BODY means the Governing Body while EAGLES means foresighted ones who will feed on them which you know today as Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus said they are a FAITHFUL and DISCREET SLAVE that will be chosen in the final part of the days to FEED his domestics! Matthew 24:45 So stop wailing like a hypocrite and get to work prove me wrong by telling everyone what that verse means!
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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:41am On Jun 30 |
FxMasterz: Your so called brother in your Lord is still with his claims that one of your men of God is fake you didn't go back to continue arguing with him to change his mind but here you are arguing blindly and calling me a liar for my own personal discoveries. Now answer me: Is it true that Olukoya and Reverend King are the same? https://www.nairaland.com/8111427/olukoya-not-different-rev-king That's courtesy OLAADEGBU your so called beloved brother, you're not out there arguing with him to prove him wrong. That's what makes you a looser and a liar! FxMasterz:
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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by johnw47: 5:38am On Jun 30 |
MaxInDHouse: Job_15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at Pro_10:10 He who winks the eye causes trouble, Pro_16:30 He who winks his eyes does so to devise perverse things; lost false jw mad max i'm glad i'm not a simpleton who believes he is saved by knowing an organisation, even an organisation that you think is doing God's will Christians are saved by God's grace, through having faith, organisation and people cannot save, only God and Christ can save Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; even our faith is from God, for Christians it's all about God and Christ, for false jw's it's all about their idols/other false jw's, and their org. 4 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:19am On Jun 30 |
johnw47: Your anger at God's people doesn't change us it's only going to give you HBP. johnw47: So whether you like it or not JWs are doing the will of God unless you present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by johnw47: 8:20am On Jun 30 |
MaxInDHouse: cannot ever stop lying, false jw mad max assuredly i am not angry at God's people: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. MaxInDHouse:johnw47: you say i am angry with false jw's and quote the above, so you admit you so called Jw's are antichrists MaxInDHouse: So whether you like it or not JWs are doing the will of God unless you present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Job_15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at Pro_10:10 He who winks the eye causes trouble, Pro_16:30 He who winks his eyes does so to devise perverse things; false jw, i'm not interested in presenting a group (people) who cannot save i'm interested in the real Saviour, the lord Jesus Christ you on the other hand believe your group saved you, oh very dum lost one 3 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by FxMasterz: 11:53am On Jun 30 |
MaxInDHouse: Many of your fellow brothers in your JW cult also believe you're fake. What difference does that make? You don't need to bring Olukoya into the matter to save face. Did John preach that he was baptizing in order to make people obedient to a coming Kingdom? In what way did John make blunders similar to your failed prophecies regarding Jesus' coming? Why is it that only your organization is the one making such failed prophecies? They were failures in 1874, 1878 and 1914. Are they the only Christians? Why are they the only false prophets of Christ's coming? Only fake prophets put a date on the coming of Christ. 3 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by FxMasterz: 12:14pm On Jun 30 |
MaxInDHouse: Michael547, Janosky, Cornelboy, Aemmyjah, please take note. Maxindhouse said he has brought you new light. You guys should enjoy. For clarity, the body of Christ consists of all Believers in Christ Jesus from the beginning of the New Testament era until the end of time. Even those that are asleep are still part of His body. They'll all resurrect to meet Him in the sky at His coming. However, the expression used by Christ regarding the gathering of the Eagles to the body was talking about the rapture. In that context, Christ Himself is the Body, and the Believers are the Eagles who gather unto Him at His coming. Luke 17:33 20-35 "Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is within you.”[c] Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. People will tell you, ‘There He is!’ or ‘Here He is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24 For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25 But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. Remember Lot’s wife! Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” “Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.” Are you in support of your brother's new lights? Can you see his lies and deliberate manipulation of scriptures? May God have mercy on you all. 4 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 2:19pm On Jun 30 |
FxMasterz: He wants to deflect again into other things to advance his lies and manipulations 2 Likes |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by Aemmyjah(m): 2:35pm On Jun 30 |
FxMasterz: Have u now seen why I call you my boy? U told me to avoid conversations with you and you tag me Is the so-called body of Christ today united Are they completely loyal to Christ Do they avoid wars and bloodshed and conflicts Do they preach the goodnews of God's kingdom as only solution to man's problems Do they honor God's name Not everyone calling themselves Christian act like one and Jesus said he will dismiss many as criminals I only know one body of Christ So don't tag me in this stupid thread of you're not ready for what you don't like A so called Christian like you that cannot answer a Muslim but invalidate the Bible and attribute errors to it |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by FxMasterz: 3:14pm On Jun 30 |
Aemmyjah: When did I tell you not to mention me again? Was it in your dream? Quote where I ever said that. So, you mean that in order to validate the Bible, you need to lie about the Bible to make it true? A lie is a lie even if you told it to validate God. God would never support it. Listen, no one needs to help validate the Bible. The Worst of God in the Bible validated itself. The Word of God in the Bible is a living Being. He validated Himself. The Bible is just the medium through which men access the Word of God. The Bible is written by men who are imperfect. But the Word of God is God. The Word of God does not originate with men. It is Perfect. |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by FxMasterz: 3:33pm On Jun 30 |
Aemmyjah: Now, regarding the Body of Christ. It did not start with Russel. The Body of Christ is bigger than any human organization. Meditate on that. |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 3:38pm On Jun 30 |
Loyalty to ORGANIZATION = Loyalty to God God = ORGANIZATION Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. To advance their lies and manipulations they changed it to.... Peter knew there was nowhere to go because Jesus has the sayings of everlasting life. Are you as determined to remain loyal to Jehovah’s organization They changed whom to where To see the madness and insanities peddling regarding the above. They already said... Jesus refused to desert the organization to which he already belong and make himself a part of Satan's organization that same Jesus they believed nothing else was created except through him. Jehovah belong to heaven and earth after creating heaven and earth.
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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:38pm On Jun 30 |
FxMasterz: OK so OLAADEGBU is right that Olukoya is fake shey? Noted! FxMasterz:John had a wrong expectation just as the jw.org also had a wrong expectation about the year 1914. There is no publication of watchtower where any other year was mentioned in connection to the end of the world if you have it present it here or tell your friends to present it word for word! |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:47pm On Jun 30 |
FxMasterz: Now you're proving to be mischievous! I told you that is my own personal discoveries not Watchtower so how do you expect them to swallow it? Each person will have to go and make his or her personal research on that Bible verse the point there is that true believers will have the same line of thought due to the BODY feeding them as one {Matthew 24:45} and these believers have sharp eyes like EAGLES to see from afar where their food is. Luke 17:37 If we all depend on whatever WATCHTOWER drops you will say we don't have our own mind now that i prove each person can make his or her own personal research you're demanding that all others must agree with me as if Kumuyi , Olukoya, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyakilome, Oritsejafor and the rest all agreed on the same discovery. Now between you and i who is mischievous? |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:52pm On Jun 30 |
FxMasterz: But your own body of Christ are members of politics and military services fighting and killing fellow members of the same body shey? Your own body of Christ have different terms and conditions of worship with codes that's contradicting one another shey? Do you know the literal meaning of the word "BODY" |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by FxMasterz: 4:55pm On Jun 30 |
MaxInDHouse: Now between you and i who is mischievous? [/quote] I think you also have an English comprehension issue. I told your brothers that you have a new light and asked them if they're in support. What's mischievous about that? You have poor English comprehension for sure. So, since you've been known to be mischievous, you are actively looking for someone to carry the same tag as yours? Who doesn't know the mischiefs you do on this forum? |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by FxMasterz: 4:58pm On Jun 30 |
MaxInDHouse: John had a wrong expectation but he never preached it! Your false prophets released false prophecies because they're fake. Jesus clearly told us His second coming cannot be timed by anyone. Stop defending your false prophets. See how the mischief maker twisted my comment as though I said anything about Olaadegbu or Olukoya. 1 Like |
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by FxMasterz: 5:00pm On Jun 30 |
MaxInDHouse: The body of Christ is a spiritual body. Why are you so ignorant? |
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