Whalis: I am Ikwerre. There is no historical tie between the ikwerres and Igbos. My grandma was from Umuahia and said Igbos have always been a distinct ethnic from Ikwerres. That they called us NDI Ikwerre. On the Bini connection it is hard for me to agree. But the closeness here is that the ikwerres have a lot in common with the Ekpeye. And the Ekpeye has a lot in common with the Binis. Now the Ekpeye claims they left Bini with the Iwhurnohna (Ikwerre) People. This is where the ikwerres keyed into the Benin narrative. The Ikwerres have always said they are not Igbos. Ikwerres had Ogbakor Ikwerre in 1963 to identify themselves as a distinct ethnic group even before Igbos remembered to form Ohaneze Ndigbo in 1965. Ikwerre gathered in 1965 to declare their unique identity in a communique released in Rumuomasi even years before the civil war.
to hell with ikwerre people,I never liked them,the should leave our language and culture and join their ancestors from benin
Can you answer this? How did you know that you are Igbo? Did someone from Abia come to tell you? Now I say Bia and I say I am Ikwerre and you say Bia and you say you are Igbo. Is it wise I say since you say the same Bia with me that you are ikwerre? Don't you think Igbos are Ikwerres? Americans (US) were originally from Europe especially The UK. Today US is bigger the UK. If this had happened in the prehistoric times it would have been difficult to believe that US left the UK based on their present size and achievements. Scientific studies have been carried out in Uniport even by Igbos scientists that established that Ikwerres and Igbos are distinct people. Please check this it is online. The scientists who carried out this studies are Igbos. Language similarities do not happen only in Igbo and others. It is so in other peoples all over the world. Ukraine and Poland, Sweden and Norway, Finland and Denmark; Urhobo and Isoko, Yoruba and Itsekiri similar language different people. Igbos should learn how to live with this reality. Also tell me the Igbo word for Yes.
That is what happened in the delta and rivers region.
Whalis: I am Ikwerre. There is no historical tie between the ikwerres and Igbos. My grandma was from Umuahia and said Igbos have always been a distinct ethnic from Ikwerres. That they called us NDI Ikwerre. On the Bini connection it is hard for me to agree. But the closeness here is that the ikwerres have a lot in common with the Ekpeye. And the Ekpeye has a lot in common with the Binis. Now the Ekpeye claims they left Bini with the Iwhurnohna (Ikwerre) People. This is where the ikwerres keyed into the Benin narrative. The Ikwerres have always said they are not Igbos. Ikwerres had Ogbakor Ikwerre in 1963 to identify themselves as a distinct ethnic group even before Igbos remembered to form Ohaneze Ndigbo in 1965. Ikwerre gathered in 1965 to declare their unique identity in a communique released in Rumuomasi even years before the civil war.
Your reasons are not appropriate. In fairness, before the colonial administration, Igbo people were not regarded as Igbo people in totality. While there are some clans in Igbo nation that may have identified themselves with the word 'Igbos', majority of the ethnic groups that make up Modern Igbo nation were not called Igbos until the colonial administration. Many clans are known for the name they called themselves. Like Ndi Nnewi knew themselves as Ndi Nnewi, any other person from other areas were called Ndi Mba or Ndi mba mmiri depending on where they think the people come from. In fact, till today, some Igbo people will refer to Ezza, Abakaleke people as different, but that doesn't mean they are. The only connection between people those days were trade and sometimes marriage. There were no national or ethnic consciousness. What makes anyone Igbo is not where they came from, it is language and custom. There are some Igbo people that claim to have come from Israel, while some said Igala, others said they come from Bini. Where they come from is not who they are, it is who they turned out to be. Jamaicans and indeed, most black South Americans are vehemently disassociating themselves from Africa,denying they're Africans, even though they're black people. The reason is because they no longer have the culture nor the language. So it matters not where they come from, they're now who they're today. My town, Nnewi, we are made up of people from different backgrounds but we are today Nnewi. That doesn't mean we are from same origin, but we became united by our language, then later united our customs and all that. So, Ikwerre may be made up of people from Bini, Ngwa, and other people but the language they have today is Igbo dialects and the customs are Igbo custom.
Anyway, I am just concerned about the reason you have adduced to defend your ' Ikwerres are not Igbo" line. However, I believe that everybody has the right to self determination and you can be who you want to be whichever way you wants it.
PHIPEX: Anyone can claim anything but we are learned for a reason.
It's not by force to be Igbo and no one is begging anyone but don't revise history.
Oba of Benin who is the custodian of Benin history is saying Ikwere has no Benin linkage as the Ikwerre revisionists want to claim. He says Ikwerre are Igbos. We know what oil politics has done to Ikwerre people
Oil politics is the right word.
Soon oil will be down, GAS will be the new order.
SE will regain her glory with her largest gas deposit in Africa. We will remind them....
Can you answer this? How did you know that you are Igbo? Did someone from Abia come to tell you? Now I say Bia and I say I am Ikwerre and you say Bia and you say you are Igbo. Is it wise I say since you say the same Bia with me that you are ikwerre? Don't you think Igbos are Ikwerres? Americans (US) were originally from Europe especially The UK. Today US is bigger the UK. If this had happened in the prehistoric times it would have been difficult to believe that US left the UK based on their present size and achievements. Scientific studies have been carried out in Uniport even by Igbos scientists that established that Ikwerres and Igbos are distinct people. Please check this it is online. The scientists who carried out this studies are Igbos. Language similarities do not happen only in Igbo and others. It is so in other peoples all over the world. Ukraine and Poland, Sweden and Norway, Finland and Denmark; Urhobo and Isoko, Yoruba and Itsekiri similar language different people. Igbos should learn how to live with this reality. Also tell me the Igbo word for Yes.
Your insinuation that Ibos came from Ikwerre is the weakest, lamest and most laughable attempt at intellectual revisionism.
You sound very much like some of my yoruba agbadorian people who are dubiously expert at labelling the white colour as black as long it suits their obnoxious and fraudulent narratives.
You're not making sense. Historically, all Igbo clans called other Igbos "Onye Igbo" or "Ndi Igbo" as if they themselves are not Igbo. Even in these modern times, if an Igbo man is talking about another Igbo man, the adjective he uses to describe him is "Onye Igbo." That means that every Igbo describes every other Igbo as Onye Igbo right from antiquity. That is Igbo culture. We all know that Ikwere started denying their Igboness ONLY during and after the Nigerian civil war. Why were they Igbos before Nigerian politics of crude oil commenced. I do not blame them. After all, those Igbos that maintained their heritage such as Obigbo and Etche are not better off due to British and Nigerian anti-Igbo politics. If Ikwerre are not revising history, why did they add R to their historically Igbo nmes such as Umuokoro and Umuigbo? How caan your village name be Umuigbo and you add R to make it Rumuigbo? Do you even know the meaning of Umuigbo? Children of Igbo.
As far as I'm concerned, you guys can come from stars. Real Igbo are proud of whom they are. The people I blame are ancient Igbo that couldn't stop the British conquest , not some foolish modern ones found in places like Ikwerre that do not know their right from theior left because of oil politics. Perhaps, if you guys were massacred like the people of Asaba, you'd have had reson to know who you are and not be tossed about like ship without rudder.
I pity your children who would be denied by Bini and maybe denied by Igbo. Already, Ikwerre land is the most confused in Southern Nigeria due to your craze to conform and be accepted by Nigeria due to petro dollar.
As far as I'm concerned, you guys can come from stars. Real Igbo are proud of whom they are.
Barman give this my brother one origin mortuary standard nobody give a Bleep about anybody.
Can you answer this? How did you know that you are Igbo? Did someone from Abia come to tell you? Now I say Bia and I say I am Ikwerre and you say Bia and you say you are Igbo. Is it wise I say since you say the same Bia with me that you are ikwerre? Don't you think Igbos are Ikwerres? Americans (US) were originally from Europe especially The UK. Today US is bigger the UK. If this had happened in the prehistoric times it would have been difficult to believe that US left the UK based on their present size and achievements. Scientific studies have been carried out in Uniport even by Igbos scientists that established that Ikwerres and Igbos are distinct people. Please check this it is online. The scientists who carried out this studies are Igbos. Language similarities do not happen only in Igbo and others. It is so in other peoples all over the world. Ukraine and Poland, Sweden and Norway, Finland and Denmark; Urhobo and Isoko, Yoruba and Itsekiri similar language different people. Igbos should learn how to live with this reality. Also tell me the Igbo word for Yes.
I don't have time for any of these stupid debates because the Igbos I see offline do not care if anyone is Igbo or not but you are very funny and ignorant about other Igbo speaking groups; I suggest you do not make up things you do not know .
I'm currently in the countryside of Igboland and literally every group has a name for another like they are not part of a big igboid nation — even in a community, they still bear names of their progenitor.
My lil bro just started talking about "Ndi Abakeleke."
[quote author=Slytiger post=130825739] Reverse psychology. They are the ones telling ibos to leave them alone and stop distorting their history, while the ibos are begging them for unity.
Video below shows them protesting in London in the 1960s for the ibos to leave them alone.
population of nkwerre that is not up to 2million hahahaha compare to Igbo population that is over 40million people hahaha guy u funny oh,no let ur self mad for Igbo matter.....we are the best black race all over the world,not to be compared with termite
Bro, did you even read the old newspaper you posted?
Anyway, I don't care whatever the Ikwerre people are — just tired of these debates.
I read what he posted and it says port Harcourt (Ikwerre land) is not an Igbo town. Which is what Ikwerres have been saying that they are not igbos even though Igbo are begging for unity with the Ikwerres.
Your insinuation that Ibos came from Ikwerre is the weakest, lamest and most laughable attempt at intellectual revisionism.
You sound very much like some of my yoruba agbadorian people who are dubiously expert at labelling the white colour as black as long it suits their obnoxious and fraudulent narratives.
Can you see how pained you are? That is how I feel whenever you associate me with Igbo tag. Igbo is a big ethnic group and the tendency of annexing other related group is there. That is what we everyday want to let people know that despite our similarities that we differ. I can't answer your father's name because we look alike. Your father told you who you are just as my father told me. Ikwerre man only in language has some similarities with the Igbos but in every other way we are dissimilar. We don't travel you travel. We are content with what we have you are insatiable with your achievements.
You're not making sense. Historically, all Igbo clans called other Igbos "Onye Igbo" or "Ndi Igbo" as if they themselves are not Igbo. Even in these modern times, if an Igbo man is talking about another Igbo man, the adjective he uses to describe him is "Onye Igbo." That means that every Igbo describes every other Igbo as Onye Igbo right from antiquity. That is Igbo culture. We all know that Ikwere started denying their Igboness ONLY during and after the Nigerian civil war. Why were they Igbos before Nigerian politics of crude oil commenced. I do not blame them. After all, those Igbos that maintained their heritage such as Obigbo and Etche are not better off due to British and Nigerian anti-Igbo politics. If Ikwerre are not revising history, why did they add R to their historically Igbo nmes such as Umuokoro and Umuigbo? How caan your village name be Umuigbo and you add R to make it Rumuigbo? Do you even know the meaning of Umuigbo? Children of Igbo.
As far as I'm concerned, you guys can come from stars. Real Igbo are proud of whom they are. The people I blame are ancient Igbo that couldn't stop the British conquest , not some foolish modern ones found in places like Ikwerre that do not know their right from theior left because of oil politics. Perhaps, if you guys were massacred like the people of Asaba, you'd have had reson to know who you are and not be tossed about like ship without rudder.
I pity your children who would be denied by Bini and maybe denied by Igbo. Already, Ikwerre land is the most confused in Southern Nigeria due to your craze to conform and be accepted by Nigeria due to petro dollar.
They might have a rethink if the nigerian state stops politically marginalising the igbo nation I feel they are just scared of being treated like the way the igbos are currently been treated in nigeria.
Your reasons are not appropriate. In fairness, before the colonial administration, Igbo people were not regarded as Igbo people in totality. While there are some clans in Igbo nation that may have identified themselves with the word 'Igbos', majority of the ethnic groups that make up Modern Igbo nation were not called Igbos until the colonial administration. Many clans are known for the name they called themselves. Like Ndi Nnewi knew themselves as Ndi Nnewi, any other person from other areas were called Ndi Mba or Ndi mba mmiri depending on where they think the people come from. In fact, till today, some Igbo people will refer to Ezza, Abakaleke people as different, but that doesn't mean they are. The only connection between people those days were trade and sometimes marriage. There were no national or ethnic consciousness. What makes anyone Igbo is not where they came from, it is language and custom. There are some Igbo people that claim to have come from Israel, while some said Igala, others said they come from Bini. Where they come from is not who they are, it is who they turned out to be. Jamaicans and indeed, most black South Americans are vehemently disassociating themselves from Africa,denying they're Africans, even though they're black people. The reason is because they no longer have the culture nor the language. So it matters not where they come from, they're now who they're today. My town, Nnewi, we are made up of people from different backgrounds but we are today Nnewi. That doesn't mean we are from same origin, but we became united by our language, then later united our customs and all that. So, Ikwerre may be made up of people from Bini, Ngwa, and other people but the language they have today is Igbo dialects and the customs are Igbo custom.
Anyway, I am just concerned about the reason you have adduced to defend your ' Ikwerres are not Igbo" line. However, I believe that everybody has the right to self determination and you can be who you want to be whichever way you wants it.
Thanks for being civil. Your type is rare to find among Igbos online. British never coined the name Igbo. Igbo has been there even the British came. Although thinking differently I might be why Ikwerres call Igbos Isuoma. This name Isuoma is one reason an Ikwerre man will never accept he is Igbo. Good enough we have traveled and have seen countries sharing similar language but different people. Igbos should see us as that. There is no way more than a million people can have a believe that is false just as the whole of Ikwerre says they are not Igbo. This is from Rumurelu that is a stone throw from Umuapu to Ogbunabali that is far away.
Whalis: I am Ikwerre. There is no historical tie between the ikwerres and Igbos. My grandma was from Umuahia and said Igbos have always been a distinct ethnic from Ikwerres. That they called us NDI Ikwerre. On the Bini connection it is hard for me to agree. But the closeness here is that the ikwerres have a lot in common with the Ekpeye. And the Ekpeye has a lot in common with the Binis. Now the Ekpeye claims they left Bini with the Iwhurnohna (Ikwerre) People. This is where the ikwerres keyed into the Benin narrative. The Ikwerres have always said they are not Igbos. Ikwerres had Ogbakor Ikwerre in 1963 to identify themselves as a distinct ethnic group even before Igbos remembered to form Ohaneze Ndigbo in 1965. Ikwerre gathered in 1965 to declare their unique identity in a communique released in Rumuomasi even years before the civil war.
your problem is identity crisis. I am an Ijaw from Gbarain clan in Bayelsa state. Even within the clan of about 11 villages, there is distinct dialects and behaviourial differences, but no one is claiming to not be Ijaw. We have Gbarain Ijaw, Southern Ijaw, e.t.c.
Whalis: I am Ikwerre. There is no historical tie between the ikwerres and Igbos. My grandma was from Umuahia and said Igbos have always been a distinct ethnic from Ikwerres. That they called us NDI Ikwerre. On the Bini connection it is hard for me to agree. But the closeness here is that the ikwerres have a lot in common with the Ekpeye. And the Ekpeye has a lot in common with the Binis. Now the Ekpeye claims they left Bini with the Iwhurnohna (Ikwerre) People. This is where the ikwerres keyed into the Benin narrative. The Ikwerres have always said they are not Igbos. Ikwerres had Ogbakor Ikwerre in 1963 to identify themselves as a distinct ethnic group even before Igbos remembered to form Ohaneze Ndigbo in 1965. Ikwerre gathered in 1965 to declare their unique identity in a communique released in Rumuomasi even years before the civil war.
All i see is wretched Ijaw man claiming Ikwerre to masturbate his inferiority complex, you look like a shoe-maker from the photo you posted in the other thread, i know you are with your Aromo bitter there
2elliot: your problem is identity crisis. I am an Ijaw from Gbarain clan in Bayelsa state. Even within the clan of about 11 villages, there is distinct dialects and behaviourial differences, but no one is claiming to not be Ijaw. We have Gbarain Ijaw, Southern Ijaw, e.t.c.
He's an Ijaw man, check his comments, pro Fubara who confessed here about his Ijaw Origin, could even be a yoruba at this point, inferiority complex has finished his miserable life, don't take him seriously
Thanks for being civil. Your type is rare to find among Igbos online. British never coined the name Igbo. Igbo has been there even the British came. Although thinking differently I might be why Ikwerres call Igbos Isuoma. This name Isuoma is one reason an Ikwerre man will never accept he is Igbo. Good enough we have traveled and have seen countries sharing similar language but different people. Igbos should see us as that. There is no way more than a million people can have a believe that is false just as the whole of Ikwerre says they are not Igbo. This is from Rumurelu that is a stone throw from Umuapu to Ogbunabali that is far away.
We're peaceful and loving... Igalas are free to stay and feel safe in IgboLand
Don't blame them too much, Yoruba Muslim who can start throwing bomb in yoruba someday, Emir of Fulani in Yoruba land, these will make some tribe go insane, just let you know the reason for their jealous, Yoruba can never survive as one country
2elliot: your problem is identity crisis. I am an Ijaw from Gbarain clan in Bayelsa state. Even within the clan of about 11 villages, there is distinct dialects and behaviourial differences, but no one is claiming to not be Ijaw. We have Gbarain Ijaw, Southern Ijaw, e.t.c.
Mr Ijaw in Bayelsa my friend that is Nembe says he is not Ijaw. What can you say about this?
— just tired of these debates.