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Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by Offpointng: 11:20am On Jul 07
DeepSight:


He doesn't directly control troops. No one will take an order from the CDS without the COAS.

This paragraph spoilt all the good point you've made
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by kushme: 11:30am On Jul 07
OriOko88:
cool
In his full regalia.

BTW,that South African army chief hardly looks like one. He doesn't look like any war veteran atal. South Africa doesn't fight any internal war like Nigeria,I assume.

On a normal level, are soldiers supposed to be steadily fighting civilians in the same country?
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by ChristCee: 11:39am On Jul 07
Anguldi:
Head of boys scout tongue
E gallant pass your papa
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by ChristCee: 11:40am On Jul 07
OriOko88:
cool
In his full regalia.

BTW,that South African army chief hardly looks like one. He doesn't look like any war veteran atal. South Africa doesn't fight any internal war like Nigeria,I assume.
#facts bro
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by Machinegun91(m): 11:56am On Jul 07
Anguldi:
Head of boys scout tongue
you are overating him, head of church Wardens

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Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by VeeVeeMyLuv(m): 12:04pm On Jul 07
lexy2014:


1. you claim that the COAS is "the biggest boy in the room" because according to you "he holds the most direct power of command which matters in the Nigerian space" if the same you said that the COAS has done nothing for nigeria with his position and all the above, how then is he the "biggest boy in the room"?

2. if you say that the COAS "he holds the most direct power of command which matters in the Nigerian space", then how does him not being the president prevent him from using his position to do something for nigeria?
leave am
Na tribalism dey disturb am
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by DeepSight(m): 12:18pm On Jul 07
Offpointng:


This paragraph spoilt all the good point you've made

Why pls.
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by Shimran(m): 1:12pm On Jul 07
NdokwaNeKu:

That's why una decided to bury him in the poultry farm where chickens are reared🤣🤣🤣

Go to America and other developed countries and see where their former leader are buried, nigeria is a typical zoo filled with illiterates - except for Igbo tribe who have been known to be exceptionally brilliant.

No wonder. You're are being called chest beater.

Ojukwu, Nnamdi Azikwe and co were all brought to life after been buried expensively. cool
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by dragunov: 1:13pm On Jul 07
vanbonattel:
God bless all the good people in Nigeria, and punish all supporters of emiolcon

Go to Biafra and leave us alone. Ponus everywhere.
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by spiSeyi: 1:19pm On Jul 07
vanbonattel:
God bless all the good people in Nigeria, and punish all supporters of emiolcon
What are you saying we all know those that are emergency lovers of Nigeria. We are all know the region that calls Nigeria zoo, so face your Biafra and leave us Nigerians alone with our presidentgrin
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by RaptorX: 1:45pm On Jul 07
STEWpid:



Chief of Army Staff for only Army,,

We also have Chief of Air Staff for Air Force,,

And Chief of Naval Staff for Navy.



The Chief of Defense Staff is their boss!



Any General or even lesser rank that have operational control of troops like GOC's, commander of guards brigade are the boss not a ceremonial CDS, that will not even know when a coup happens and cannot order troops to crush it. Even that American CDS is a ceremonial position, infact all the American service chiefs Army, Navy and Airforce are all ceremonial with civilian secretaries of Army, Navy and Airforce who are their boss unlike Nigeria, and the real boss in the US military are the combatant commanders like the European command, African command. Centcom etc.
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by STEWpid(f): 4:07pm On Jul 07
RaptorX:
Any General or even lesser rank that have operational control of troops like GOC's, commander of guards brigade are the boss not a ceremonial CDS, that will not even know when a coup happens and cannot order troops to crush it. Even that American CDS is a ceremonial position, infact all the American service chiefs Army, Navy and Airforce are all ceremonial with civilian secretaries of Army, Navy and Airforce who are their boss unlike Nigeria, and the real boss in the US military are the centcom commanders like the European command, African command etc.



Wow!








Definitely, it's really a chai.. situation for the CDS then!!

Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by Antitankweapon: 4:42pm On Jul 07
RaptorX:
Any General or even lesser rank that have operational control of troops like GOC's, commander of guards brigade are the boss not a ceremonial CDS, that will not even know when a coup happens and cannot order troops to crush it. Even that American CDS is a ceremonial position, infact all the American service chiefs Army, Navy and Airforce are all ceremonial with civilian secretaries of Army, Navy and Airforce who are their boss unlike Nigeria, and the real boss in the US military are the centcom commanders like the European command, African command etc.

You are very wrong.

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Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by Alliswell248: 4:44pm On Jul 07
NdokwaNeKu:
I hope shaky-shaky grandpa is not there too? Else, he will fall "yakataaa" as usual.🤦

Too much of Ogogoro no good o🤣🤣🤣

Show us your fada...who has failed in training you.

See what hatred does to people...

Hypertension not good for you because of hatred.

Get well soon

Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by Gireiboy(m): 5:26pm On Jul 07
DeepSight:


You don't know anything about Nigeria. The Chief of Army Staff has always been the biggest boy in the room.
Shut the hell up, mumu! the CDS is a 4 star general how can you compare him with COAS who is a 3 star general.
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by stainzvill(m): 6:01pm On Jul 07
Something like that....Way to go CDS
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by viodemus: 6:30pm On Jul 07
Kudos to the distinguished people from USA the great, and South Africa.

The other criminal is leading a sham forces that is now clear to us, is a full blown arab Iran terrorists sham forces, gathered to genocide the igbos and Christians, with their aim to own everything down to the sea.
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by Faithful007: 7:51pm On Jul 07
RaptorX:
Any General or even lesser rank that have operational control of troops like GOC's, commander of guards brigade are the boss not a ceremonial CDS, that will not even know when a coup happens and cannot order troops to crush it. Even that American CDS is a ceremonial position, infact all the American service chiefs Army, Navy and Airforce are all ceremonial with civilian secretaries of Army, Navy and Airforce who are their boss unlike Nigeria, and the real boss in the US military are the centcom commanders like the European command, African command etc.

While you’re correct about the US military unified command structure, you’re wrong to say that service chiefs are ceremonial. They are in an advisory role but they hold very strong indirect power. By convention, the president and defense secretary will not take any action without their recommendation.

Chiefs of staff plan and decide all US military responses and forward to the president and secretary for action.

During the Chinese balloon incident, Biden asked them if it could be shot down but General milley told them to wait till it got to the pacific. It was a controversial recommendation but that’s exactly what they followed.

Service chiefs are the ones who usually recommend whether US should strike a target or not. The United command generals are not involved in strategic decision making. They only command operations.
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by Offpointng: 10:30pm On Jul 07
DeepSight:


Why pls.

I'm not saying ur wrong, we can actually help each other understand better. But to the best of my knowledge how military works esp what I've been able to know thr my service in a military base, The one who has the higher rank commands more even if you both are same rank but seniors you with service number

It's just like you saying A soldier will rather obey a Brigadier General cuz he's the commander of his Brigade over a Major General who a chief of staff of a Division. Both have a post they head over yeah? but you have to understand, the chief of AF, Navy and the Army are all under the Chief of Defence staff and that's why the CDS is given a rank higher than all of them (even tho initially, they were all Major Generals) to command the necessary respect needed.

And let's also not forget they all report to him so he can take whatever concerns the military to the President and whatever the President order/directive to the Armed forces maybe, it'll be directed thr the CDS

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Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by DeepSight(m): 10:39pm On Jul 07
Offpointng:


I'm not saying ur wrong, we can actually help each other understand better. But to the best of my knowledge how military works esp what I've been able to know thr my service in a military base, The one who has the higher rank commands more even if you both are same rank but seniors you with service number

It's just like you saying A soldier will rather obey a Brigadier General cuz he's the commander of his Brigade over a Major General who a chief of staff of a Division. Both have a post they head over yeah? but you have to understand, the chief of AF, Navy and the Army are all under the Chief of Defence staff and that's why the CDS is given a rank higher than all of them (even tho initially, they were all Major Generals) to command the necessary respect needed.

And let's also not forget they all report to him so he can take whatever concerns the military to the President and whatever the President order/directive to the Armed forces maybe, it'll be directed thr the CDS

Fair enough. Thx for explaining.

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Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by Offpointng: 10:41pm On Jul 07
Faithful007:


By convention, the president and defense secretary will not take any action without their recommendation.

Chiefs of staff plan and decide all US military responses and forward to the president and secretary for action.


Service chiefs are the ones who usually recommend whether US should strike a target or not. The United command generals are not involved in strategic decision making. They only command operations.

Relating to ur first Paragraph, Do you mean the CDS tells the president what to do?

3rd Paragraph, Assuming Tinubu wants Nigeria to attack Mali, the CDS is the one that need to recommend if to attack or not?
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by Offpointng: 10:43pm On Jul 07
DeepSight:

Fair enough. Thx for explaining.
wlcm boss
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by RaptorX: 5:38am On Jul 08
Faithful007:


While you’re correct about the US military unified command structure, you’re wrong to say that service chiefs are ceremonial. They are in an advisory role but they hold very strong indirect power. By convention, the president and defense secretary will not take any action without their recommendation.

Chiefs of staff plan and decide all US military responses and forward to the president and secretary for action.

During the Chinese balloon incident, Biden asked them if it could be shot down but General milley told them to wait till it got to the pacific. It was a controversial recommendation but that’s exactly what they followed.

Service chiefs are the ones who usually recommend whether US should strike a target or not. The United command generals are not involved in strategic decision making. They only command operations.
The chain of command runs from the president through the secretary of defense to the combatant commanders totally bypassing the chairman and the joint chiefs, so yes they are a purely advisory and ceremonial post with no operational control on US troops. Even the civilian secretaries of the army, Navy and Airforce have more power in the scheme of things than the uniform joint chiefs, because the US go to great lengths to have total civilian control of their military.
Re: CDS General Christopher Musa Meets With US & South African Counterparts (Photos) by Faithful007: 1:58pm On Jul 09
RaptorX:
The chain of command runs from the president through the secretary of defense to the combatant commanders totally bypassing the chairman and the joint chiefs, so yes they are a purely advisory and ceremonial post with no operational control on US troops. Even the civilian secretaries of the army, Navy and Airforce have more power in the scheme of things than the uniform joint chiefs, because the US go to great lengths to have total civilian control of their military.

I know. But you're misusing the word ceremonial.

I'm in the US. Most decisions made by the secretaries were on recommendation of the chiefs. The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff especially is very influential. He is the only service member in the Security council. The most high profile decision body of defense related matters. The branch secretaries are not there.

The JCS is America's top military adviser and most strategic recommendations come from him. The president does not formulate military decisions himself but usually act on recommendation of the joint chiefs chairman and Sec Def and turn them to military orders. They only reject recommendations for democratic and diplomatic reasons which hardly is the case.

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