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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 7:42pm On Jul 07
This man is just....
He knew well what we're referring to here but he lacks excuse to counter the whole thing, so he had to change the whole narratives to tight defending and relentless pressing.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 7:43pm On Jul 07
do4luv14:



You should know that Charles statement was sarcasm,

buh who is that defenders that can stop delima and Co, who go carry Oga blue font come agaim6, today na Sunday oooo
U got me.
I don post am before I realize say na sarcasm,
Charles would never agree with TheGoodJoe just like that.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 7:46pm On Jul 07
TheGoodJoe:


I don't even see Canavaro as a brilliant player. He just defended. Today we see defenders doing far more. Defending, moving more in build up plays, excelling in short and long passes. Going to midfield and dribbling. Playing comfortably on a high line. I don't see Canavaro a better footballer than even John Stones.
John Stones? grin grin grin grin

This life eh

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:48pm On Jul 07
mostob:
This is blasphemy. What is causing less flair in football is not what you typed here but the scientific and robotic football we're watching today. The whole thing has made it difficult for players to express themselves.

What is causing the scientific football is what I am talking about. It is the increase in physicality and speed. The only way is to play around it. Speed and intensity has made it difficult to have space for flair.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:48pm On Jul 07
mostob:
John Stones? grin grin grin grin

This life eh

I raised points. Debate the point.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 7:50pm On Jul 07
TheGoodJoe:


What is causing the scientific football is what I am talking about. It is the increase in physicality and speed. The only way is to play around it. Speed and intensity has made it difficult to have space for flair.
You hammered on speed and intensity. All that speed and intensity just to play tikitaka. As in, what is the use of the speed and intensity of all players do all day is just to make 3 or 4 yard passes?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 7:50pm On Jul 07
Napoleon55:
U got me. I don post am before I realize say na sarcasm, Charles would never agree with TheGoodJoe just like that.

Charles Agrees with blue font 😁😁😁
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:56pm On Jul 07
mostob:
You hammered on speed and intensity. All that speed and intensity just to play tikitaka. As in, what is the use of the speed and intensity of all players do all day is just to make 3 or 4 yard passes?

The speed and intensity comes with reducing the opponents time with the ball. The defensive side of the possessive play. Also, off the ball runs in attacking play.

It will be a fantasy to think Ronaldinho will skate through Liverpool's gengenpress with ease.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 7:58pm On Jul 07
TheGoodJoe:


I raised points. Debate the point.
If your point is a diamond, LAWMA go still trash . because it has no value. Imagine comparing Cannavaro and Stones.
For all your tactical and intensity excuse let me ask you some questions?

That freekick technique of Roberto Carlos, how many of your LBs can execute it?

Akanji who is supposed to be technical played a ridiculous penalty yesterday?

John Stones couldn't clear a simple ball and Switzerland scored?

Gvardiol nko, how many times did he drop a stinker in this Euro before Croatia crashed out?

Walker for England is just there.

That's what scientific football has caused. It will squeeze out the players' innate and natural abilities and create a rigid system for them. You take the players out of this system and they will look ordinary.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:58pm On Jul 07
mostob:
This man is just....
He knew well what we're referring to here but he lacks excuse to counter the whole thing, so he had to change the whole narratives to tight defending and relentless pressing.


That is why we don't see much flair and creativity as we saw in the past.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Amedino99(m): 8:00pm On Jul 07
mostob:
It is strange. Let me just say it is kinda spiritual. grin grin
Looking at the post again, I think he is tipping Spain and Netherlands to go through. Anyway, we will know his stance by tomorrow.

There was a guy on Facebook that used his QF prediction to stake. Everything was 30odds. I don't know how much he staked sha.
the guy probably lost if he staked it at just normal win or lose
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:01pm On Jul 07
mostob:
If your point is a diamond, LAWMA go still trash . because it has no value. Imagine comparing Cannavaro and Stones.
For all your tactical and intensity excuse let me ask you some questions?

That freekick technique of Roberto Carlos, how many of your LBs can execute it?

Akanji who is supposed to be technical played a ridiculous penalty yesterday?

John Stones couldn't clear a simple ball and Switzerland scored?

Gvardiol nko, how many times did he drop a stinker in this Euro before Croatia crashed out?

Walker for England is just there.

That's what scientific football has caused. It will squeeze out the players' innate and natural abilities and create a rigid system for them. You take the players out of this system and they will look ordinary.

Roberto Carlos can hit a fantastic screamer but I have seen him cooked many times like of he can't even mark. Go watch Ronald de Boer cook him in France 98 so badly that his coach told him to stop trying.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 8:03pm On Jul 07
TheGoodJoe:


The speed and intensity comes with reducing the opponents time with the ball. The defensive side of the possessive play. Also, off the ball runs in attacking play.

It will be a fantasy to think Ronaldinho will skate through Liverpool's gengenpress with ease.
You see all these passing and passing around teams employed today just to beat the press, it will take Ronny just a single piece of skill to break the press.

You see players like Ronny and Okocha who are good dribblers, their skills are natural. Nowadays, players play under a specific system to break the press. Once this system fails. the results will be disastrous. But dribblers like Ronny, even if the system fails, they can still do many things to bail out their teams because their abilities are natural.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 8:07pm On Jul 07
TheGoodJoe:


Roberto Carlos can hit a fantastic screamer but I have seen him cooked many times like of he can't even mark. Go watch Ronald de Boer cook him in France 98 so badly that his coach told him to stop trying.
If this is all you could come up with, then whatever point you have mentioned here to defend the devilish tikitaka football is invalid.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by GMBOFASIA: 8:08pm On Jul 07
Nawa o dem don day compare john stones to canavaro πŸ˜‚

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 8:08pm On Jul 07
TheGoodJoe:


That is why we don't see much flair and creativity as we saw in the past.
Yea.. because of the scientific and robotic football you're advocating for.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 8:09pm On Jul 07
mostob:
Talent of the old? You know what talent of the old means? Please check up old players who played in Mbappe's position and watch how they play. Mbappe is good, alright but don't compare him to the talents of the old.
Mbape did carry his team on his shoulders to 2 world cup finals,
Yes he is up there

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 8:09pm On Jul 07
Amedino99:
the guy probably lost if he staked it at just normal win or lose
I think there should be an option where the player is expected to choose who to qualify or so. I don't really know.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Hanibal(m): 8:11pm On Jul 07
TheGoodJoe:


That is why we don't see much flair and creativity as we saw in the past.
Lol
You seem to forget so easily that Messi played in this era.... Baba was breaking " press" for fun, bailed out Guardiola and his nonsense rigidity countless times with his wizardry.

If Messi could break the modern press with dribbling, what do you think guys like zizou or Ronaldinho or Okocha would do?...
Abeg rest this case.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 8:13pm On Jul 07
Napoleon55:

These guys are geniuses,they world have find a way to play the game effortless in such a way it would wow u.
but their main attributes would hv been coached off
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:17pm On Jul 07
Hanibal:

Lol
You seem to forget so easily that Messi played in this era.... Baba was breaking " press" for fun, bailed out Guardiola and his nonsense rigidity countless times with his wizardry.

If Messi could break the modern press with dribbling, what do you think guys like zizou or Ronaldinho or Okocha would do?...
Abeg rest this case.

The most stellar Messi was in the beginning of the system and he actually was playing for it. Not against it. As time went on, Messi had to keep going deeper and cutting down on his dribbles.

Towards the end of his time at Barcelona, virtually operating like a midfield passer. People mix-up early Guardiola days to the era. What we are dealing with now is after Guardiola left Bayern, where the system is totally studied and adapted.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:18pm On Jul 07
charlesemeka85:
but their main attributes would hv been coached off

What people miss is that it gets coached off because it won't deliver results. In today's game, you can't jet off skating all over the field with grace and class. That time is gone.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 8:23pm On Jul 07
TheGoodJoe:


Roberto Carlos can hit a fantastic screamer but I have seen him cooked many times like of he can't even mark. Go watch Ronald de Boer cook him in France 98 so badly that his coach told him to stop trying.
Roberto Carlos is or arguably the greatest left back of all time.
What made him so,if he could not have performed his basic task well which is marking and defending?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 8:28pm On Jul 07
Wait wait, who cook Carlos for France 98, make Same France 98 Abbi na Another one
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:35pm On Jul 07
Hanibal:

Lol
You seem to forget so easily that Messi played in this era.... Baba was breaking " press" for fun, bailed out Guardiola and his nonsense rigidity countless times with his wizardry.

If Messi could break the modern press with dribbling, what do you think guys like zizou or Ronaldinho or Okocha would do?...
Abeg rest this case.

I have seen Messi on a one-on-one chance to score with gap and Pepe run, meet up with Messi and collect the ball.

Last season, we saw a case where Rodrygo was through on goal, and Akanji pursued him and retrieved the ball.

The game is faster now.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:38pm On Jul 07
do4luv14:



Wait wait, who cook Carlos for France 98, make Same France 98 Abbi na Another one

Ronald de Boer. Netherlands vs Brazil. Cook Carlos, stew him on top. If you watched the goal Kluivert scored, Ronald de Boer crossed that ball without being marked because Carlos was asked to leave him and go and defend the goal. Because he was almost invisible. If I remember right, Kluivert's header went through Carlos leg.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 8:38pm On Jul 07
Of what good is it if we argue tiki taka till tomorrow when e no get connection with SE? SE no go ever play tiki taka

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:39pm On Jul 07
Napoleon55:

Roberto Carlos is or arguably the greatest left back of all time.
What made him so,if he could not have performed his basic task well which is marking and defending?

I have seen him cooked many times. Football then was not as strict as it is today.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Amedino99(m): 8:50pm On Jul 07
mostob:
I think there should be an option where the player is expected to choose who to qualify or so. I don't really know.
that's the thing about these betting sites. There is always an option for you to choose who qualifies but most people usually just choose win or lose.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 8:52pm On Jul 07
TheGoodJoe:


Ronald de Boer. Netherlands vs Brazil. Cook Carlos, stew him on top. If you watched the goal Kluivert scored, Ronald de Boer crossed that ball without being marked because Carlos was asked to leave him and go and defend the goal. Because he was almost invisible. If I remember right, Kluivert's header went through Carlos leg.


So you were there when they ask Carlos to left him and defend the goalpost

Inukwa!!!! it is well πŸšΆβ€β™‚πŸšΆβ€β™‚πŸšΆβ€β™‚

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 8:54pm On Jul 07
Joebie:
Of what good is it if we argue tiki taka till tomorrow when e no get connection with SE? SE no go ever play tiki taka

Oshare direct that question to Oga blue font

happy Sunday Sir
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 9:11pm On Jul 07
mostob:
If your point is a diamond, LAWMA go still trash . because it has no value. Imagine comparing Cannavaro and Stones.
For all your tactical and intensity excuse let me ask you some questions?

That freekick technique of Roberto Carlos, how many of your LBs can execute it?

Akanji who is supposed to be technical played a ridiculous penalty yesterday?

John Stones couldn't clear a simple ball and Switzerland scored?

Gvardiol nko, how many times did he drop a stinker in this Euro before Croatia crashed out?

Walker for England is just there.

That's what scientific football has caused. It will squeeze out the players' innate and natural abilities and create a rigid system for them. You take the players out of this system and they will look ordinary.
Carlos can't score those kain FKs because say the walls have become tighter, scientific and do not give such space again.

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