Zahra29:


The modified pledge, which is a very reasonable promise for ANY country to make in the 21st century, is very different to altering the fundamental titles of the RF. The King is Defender of the Faith and Supreme Governor of the Church and shall remain so.

The UK is already extremely inclusive,it does not mean that the title of the King/Monarch has to change from the central tenets, faith and traditions that it and the country was founded on. Embracing other cultures and religions does not mean you have to lose sight of, or water down, your own.

Britain has always prided itself on its ability to "altering the fundamental" of just about everything, so I would be surprised if Darwin country refuses to change now I'd think, and a country that takes "In the beginning was the Word" as seriously as UK has, a "modified pledge" is similar to a modified code that makes computer function differently.

As to "lose sight, or watering down its own", one just need go in the buildings where they worship to know they've not only watered, they'd almost completely eradicated or fully imbibed, take your pick, though I do confess to extreme exaggerations. Regardless, the sentiment is out there and a lot of work has been done in the last 50 years for me to not recognise its effect in enabling diverse people to live together relatively peacefully.

Zahra29:
There was a poll before the election that showed that Reform was polling high among the younger age groups. I posted a comment here about it, same trend playing out with the far right in Europe. So it's got nothing to do with the younger generation being enlightened as they already live in an inclusive, multicultural society. It has more to do with the hope that they feel that these new parties offers them over the status quo, such as home ownership.
( Edit: Reform was also polling higher among blacks, go figure!)

Home ownership? You'd be surprised how many rather want to travel the world and earn an income abroad instead of being tied down to a mortgage, which I offer to show not everyone thinks alike. But even for home ownership, immigration is good, as landlords who own houses as opposed to homes, can rent them for more to immigrants than Brits on the dole.

Fact is, Britain use to be 'no blacks no dogs no Irish', and you don't need a poll to see how far we've evolved.

justwise:


Yea the same person that banned Muslims from coming to USA, that is the same person that care so much about religion

They like him being islamophobic. Because na only Christianity be the one true religion.
They can never just live their lives. They want to control others too

missjekyll:
Joe just dropped out and endorsed Kamala.

Great decision to drop out . I m not so sure about Kamala. She hasn't really done a lot with the border portfolio, has she?

If she was an Angela Rayner,I'd be giving a standing ovation.

But Hey! Dems are back in play,baby!!!

This is interesting, i doubt Americans are ready for a woman of color to become a president and the Dem can not change her because of legal issues

Goodenoch:


A couple of things;

You don't know that the pledge was an offering to him or if he moderated his views over the intervening period. What we know for a fact is that he changed the wording of that pledge literally upon taking the throne. He couldn't have done anything before. Indicates that it was a priority for him. Also, the extent to which the royal traditions are beyond the power of the king to change are speculatitve (unless you have a statute you can cite) so this is a moot point. We'll see how things play out.

It was well known right up to the coronation that Charles wanted to be styled King of the Faiths. His views haven't changed. That he was denied his choice - despite other changes the RF have made in recent years such as allowing him to marry a divorcee - shows that there are certain red lines that even the King would struggle to change. Which is a good thing. It shows that the institution is bigger than one individual.

And yes, we'll wait and see how it turns out. William's coronation will take place in our lifetime.

Zahra29:




The UK is already extremely inclusive,it does not mean that the title of the King/Monarch has to change from the central tenets, faith and traditions that it and the country was founded on. Embracing other cultures and religions does not mean you have to lose sight of, or water down, your own.

No it isn't. Extremely? Not at all. It does not feel like that at all. Has anyone actually polled 1st generation Nigerian immigrants to the UK?

Feels like you may just be repeating right wing talking points

justwise:


This is interesting, i doubt Americans are ready for a woman of color to become a president and the Dem can not change her because of legal issues

What legal issue?wasn't aware of any.
They better fight for that seat. I don't understand how they can't beat a frail fraudster and s*x pest

Zahra29:


It was well known right up to the coronation that Charles wanted to be styled King of the Faiths. His views haven't changed. That he was denied his choice - despite other changes the RF have made in recent years such as allowing him to marry a divorcee - shows that there are certain red lines that even the King would struggle to change. Which is a good thing. It shows that the institution is bigger than one individual.

And yes, we'll wait and see how it turns out. William's coronation will take place in our lifetime.

Will it now? Only if he starts paying his taxes. I hear that crown they wore on Wednesday cost 1 billion pounds. Obscene really.

budaatum:


Fact is, Britain use to be 'no blacks no dogs no Irish', and you don't need a poll to see how far we've evolved.

My family lived in the UK during the Windrush era when "no blacks, no dogs, no Irish" and other forms of overt racism was common. So I completely agree and celebrate that the UK has changed for the better and is still evolving.

However you are conflating different points here. You claimed that Charles's title had changed to Defender of the Faiths. I challenged and corrected this point as the age- old title of Defender of the Faith still stands, and my view is that it is unlikely to change.

missjekyll:


Will it now? Only if he starts paying his taxes. I hear that crown they wore on Wednesday cost 1 billion pounds. Obscene really.

There are Republicans in the UK who have been advocating for donkeys years for the abolishment of the Monarchy. Still here we are.

missjekyll:


No it isn't. Extremely? Not at all. It does not feel like that at all. Has anyone actually polled 1st generation Nigerian immigrants to the UK?

Feels like you may just be repeating right wing talking points

It may not feel like that to you. But many others, including the last PM of the UK and Badenoch who is a 1st gen Nigerian immigrant, would beg to differ.

missjekyll:


What legal issue?wasn't aware of any.
They better fight for that seat. I don't understand how they can't beat a frail fraudster and s*x pest

Apparently if they want to remove Kamala money donated to Biden $ Kamala pack will not be transferred to the new person and so many other issues AOC explained in a video

justwise:


Apparently if they want to remove Kamala money donated to Biden $ Kamala pack will not be transferred to the new person and so many other issues AOC explained in a video

The majority seems split finely between those who'd vote Trump even if he killed their parents and those who'd rather vote a stone over Trump. Yes, Biden had to resign so what's left of those in the middle don't tilt right. At this stage, most top democrats would have reasonably equal chances against Trump.

Zahra29:


It may not feel like that to you. But many others, including the last PM of the UK and Badenoch who is a 1st gen Nigerian immigrant, would beg to differ.

Badenoch is definitely not a 1st generation immigrant. She is 2nd generation.much like you,I suppose.

Our experiences are not the same and we can only really speak to our experiences and thats okay. While it feels inclusive to you, it doesn't to me.
It feels even worse after 2020

jedisco:


The majority seems split finely between those who'd vote Trump even if he killed their parents and those who'd rather vote a stone over Trump. Yes, Biden had to resign so what's left of those in the middle don't tilt right. At this stage, most top democrats would have reasonably equal chances against Trump.

Time will tell, Dems will throw everything behind Kamala now because they got no choice, she has now till Nov to win those at the middle.

Trump need to be worried about the next debate, Kamala will make a mess of him

justwise:


Apparently if they want to remove Kamala money donated to Biden $ Kamala pack will not be transferred to the new person and so many other issues AOC explained in a video

I see. Is this the new parliamentarian excuse?
Will this be a good excuse when Emperor Trump crowns himself and jails all of them? I don't think it is
I m literally biting my fingers in anxiety

justwise:


That part of your post is really interesting but an open secret , Their core policy is to make America/UK white again, but its too late, max 4yrs Trump will be either in prison or home out of public view. Next general election will expose Farage and his party, his chances of doing what Trump is currently doing in America is very slim here

Justwise, stop making statements anyhow based on emotion (hatred of a person)! Be objective always. It really says a lots about your person. Just look at the vacuous statement you are making.

I expect you to know that it would be an icy day in hell before a US president or past president or a potential 2nd term president ever going to jail. You should also have known that Trump is a business magnate who never needed to be POTUS to be popular. Imagine saying 'talkative' Trump would be home out of public view

BABA, GROW UP!!!

Zahra29:


Lol, well he cares about the Christian religion first and foremost. America is a Christian country.

Leave the fellow alone, he has no objective views to offer... Twisting facts that are visible to the blind.

justwise:


Yes but that is just a delay, Trump is not out of jail yet, regarding him wining the up coming election..don't be too quick to call it

She has subtly told you that you are off by a huge margin, yet you have failed to see it. You really do not know enough of politics to engage in any of such debates.

Zahra29:


Tbh I was so convinced this time last year that Trump was toast. I truly believed that DeSantis would win the nomination and that Trump would be done for one or more of the charges against him.

So yeh I'm surprised at how events have unfolded but I've accepted that Trump will win and that he will not be going to jail now or later. Some things are just meant to be.

What is the primary driver to this submission? I want to believe this is based on Biden stepping down for Kamala Harris.

I had done my analysis way back and concluded that Trump is getting back into the WH.

Saying he's going to jail and out of sight is child's talk!

missjekyll:
Joe just dropped out and endorsed Kamala.

Great decision to drop out . I m not so sure about Kamala. She hasn't really done a lot with the border portfolio, has she?

If she was an Angela Rayner,I'd be giving a standing ovation.

But Hey! Dems are back in play,baby!!!

Back in the play cos of Kamala? Really?!!!

justwise:


Time will tell, Dems will throw everything behind Kamala now because they got no choice, she has now till Nov to win those at the middle.

Trump need to be worried about the next debate, Kamala will make a mess of him

Throw things worse than the assassination attempt?

toughest007:


Throw things worse than the assassination attempt?

lol....this one sef no even need. Kamala? Same Kamala that can't even string one compelling sentence..same Kamak that speaks in batty, confused loops na im go thrash Trump for debate🤣🤣🤣. Maybe these guys haven't heard Kamala talk. Hilary Clinton wey be badass sef no fit handle Trump in 2015 and can't stop Trump this 2024.

That WH will welcome Trump in Nov 2024, anyone can bookmark this😎

toughest007:


Throw things worse than the assassination attempt?

MAGA, the shooter is your fellow MAGA hat, that is how much you hate your dear-leader.

justwise:


MAGA, the shooter is your fellow MAGA hat, that is how much you hate your dear-leader.

Chaff yans...

toughest007:


Justwise, stop making statements anyhow based on emotion (hatred of a person)! Be objective always. It really says a lots about your person. Just look at the vacuous statement you are making.

I expect you to know that it would be an icy day in hell before a US president or past president or a potential 2nd term president ever going to jail. You should also have known that Trump is a business magnate who never needed to be POTUS to be popular. Imagine saying 'talkative' Trump would be home out of public view

BABA, GROW UP!!

Your dear-leader is a convicted felon, people around him is either in jail, going to jail or just leaving jail.

Is there anyone in the history of America worst than Trump as a presidential candidate ?

toughest007:


Chaff yans...

Your dear-leader was also found guilty of sexually abusing E. Jean Carroll and was asked to pay her $5M.

How proud of him are you? He really has a glorious record hence the support from evangelical christian

Treadway:
lol....this one sef no even need. Kamala? Same Kamala that can't even string one compelling sentence. Maybe these guys haven't heard Kamala talk. Hilary Clinton wey be badass sef no fit stop Trump this 2024.

[b]That WH will welcome Trump in Nov 2024, [/b]anyone can bookmark this😎

I just dey reply that babe wey talk say 'now Dems will throw everything behind Kamala'
Which play? Who be Kamala? Don't even compare Kamala to Hillary.

You are correct with the highlighted. No going back to Trump back in the WH.

I have found it silly how folks here talk out of emotion without much to facts. Almost everyone here wants to sound politically correct and woke with facts derived from emotion and intent to just blindly remove themselves from facts presented to them.

I'm saying the obvious fact (likewise you) that Trump is heading to the WH, and some blokes here are not smart enough to see it, but rather quick to imply that stating the obvious means one likes Trump and hates Biden et al.

toughest007:


I just dey reply that babe wey talk say 'now Dems will throw everything behind Kamala'
Which play? Who be Kamala? Don't even compare Kamala to Hillary.

You are correct with the highlighted. No going back to Trump back in the WH.

I have found it silly how folks here talk out of emotion without much to facts. [b]Almost everyone here wants to sound politically correct and woke with facts derived from emotion [/b]and intent to just blindly remove themselves from facts presented to them.

I'm saying the obvious fact (likewise you) that Trump is heading to the WH, and some blokes here are not smart enough to see it, but rather quick to imply that stating the obvious means one likes Trump and hates Biden et al.

I’m a realist like you and have also come to the same conclusion as highlighted above. Save yourself the stress of stressing on the obvious. Some debates are not worth the effort. November is not too far along we will see who is going to stop Trump from the WH. Unless another assassination attempt

Zahra29:


My family lived in the UK during the Windrush era when "no blacks, no dogs, no Irish" and other forms of overt racism was common. So I completely agree and celebrate that the UK has changed for the better and is still evolving.

However you are conflating different points here. You claimed that Charles's title had changed to Defender of the Faiths. I challenged and corrected this point as the age- old title of Defender of the Faith still stands, and my view is that it is unlikely to change.

Actually, I am suggesting that the liberal education dished to children till they hit 16 plus every other measure taken to ensure people live in harmony and respect each other including the foresight of the monarch to declare some 50 years ago that he will defend all faiths has effected change in the racial attitude of the society.

justwise:


Your dear-leader is a convicted felon, people around him is either in jail, going to jail or just leaving jail.

Is there anyone in the history of America worst than Trump as a presidential candidate ?

You see what reading and consuming propaganda does to one out of hatred. You don't even know what 'convicted felon' really means. If you do, you'd know it doesn't have any place in the discuss.

Yes, there are US presidents and presidential candidates worse by all metrics than Trump. Go and educate yourself and stop blabbing what's above your grasp.

Grow up and stop embarrassing yourself. Most of your statements here diminishes your moniker.

justwise:


Your dear-leader was also found guilty of sexually abusing E. Jean Carroll and was asked to pay her $5M.

How proud of him are you? He really has a glorious record hence the support from evangelical christian

I have come to conclude that you really LACK comprehension! You can read, yes, but you no too dey understand wetin you read. Your replies are always off.

You think being an MOD gifts you intelligence? You no get am be say you no get am.
Grow up baba...

wallg123:

I’m a realist like you and have also come to the same conclusion as highlighted above. Save yourself the stress of stressing on the obvious. Some debates are not worth the effort. November is not too far along we will see who is going to stop Trump from the WH. Unless another assassination attempt

Just stating the obvious based solely on facts. I don't need to like or hate a person to state it exactly the way it is. I am mature enough to distinguish propaganda from reality.

See eh, many years of consuming western propaganda has really done loads of damages to folks here.