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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lavida001: 12:40am On Jul 22
budaatum:


"Liberalism or advances in thought are not always guaranteed to change" anything.

Education, however, the sort of education that promotes the development and use of the mind to think and reason, does change a lot "the underlying nature of the human being" or at least that of most who are successfully educated, and the British do educate their young well.

Still, 2029 soon come. Well see then if we are as ignorant as electing Reform would suggest we are or if we've overcome the xenophobia that made us leave Europe.


Britain is not France, and the UK education system is class and it is location and it is how knowledgeable one is to know to chose it and definitely not egalitarian at all. You will however learn history whatever school you go, and be shown the ignorance of past racism and the predominant preferred attitude today.

You'd even be asked to sign up to antidiscrimination laws if you wanna work, and nothing makes people align better than hitting money in their pockets.

The closest Britain would get to Trump is Boris, I reckon.

They dont teach certain history in schools here. Especially history that talks about British colonial racist past.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Cyberknight: 1:39am On Jul 22
Zahra29:


It may not feel like that to you. But many others, including the last PM of the UK and Badenoch who is a 1st gen Nigerian immigrant, would beg to differ.

Badenoch is second generation, in the sense that she is a UK-natively born child of foreign-born parents, even though the whole concept of "generations" of immigrants is nonsense beyond the first generation (the ones who arrived from somewhere else), as descendants who are born citizens should no longer be described as immigrants of any generation.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by budaatum: 2:34am On Jul 22
lavida001:


They dont teach certain history in schools here. Especially history that talks about British colonial racist past.

They can't obviously teach all history, but they do teach a lot of history here, at least compared to some places. And there's always libraries and books and telly where a lot of history can be seen. There's even a whole month dedicated to Black History, so I'd even go as far as claiming quite a lot of "British colonial racist past" is taught, which really can't not be taught since some pesky kid from India or Kenya or Jamaica or Nigeria or even Ireland would raise the "British colonial racist past" as a topic in class and cause it to be discussed. And the intention of teaching about it is so students learn to not be racist and stupid now.

Below is from the history curriculum.

The national curriculum for history aims to ensure that all pupils:

know and understand the history of these islands as a coherent, chronological narrative, from the earliest times to the present day: how people’s lives have shaped this nation and how Britain has influenced and been influenced by the wider world

know and understand significant aspects of the history of the wider world: the nature of ancient civilisations; the expansion and dissolution of empires; characteristic features of past non-European societies; achievements and follies of mankind

gain and deploy a historically grounded understanding of abstract terms such as ‘empire’, ‘civilisation’, ‘parliament’ and ‘peasantry’

understand historical concepts such as continuity and change, cause and consequence, similarity, difference and significance, and use them to make connections, draw contrasts, analyse trends, frame historically valid questions and create their own structured accounts, including written narratives and analyses

understand the methods of historical enquiry, including how evidence is used rigorously to make historical claims, and discern how and why contrasting arguments and interpretations of the past have been constructed

gain historical perspective by placing their growing knowledge into different contexts: understanding the connections between local, regional, national and international history; between cultural, economic, military, political, religious and social history; and between short- and long-term timescales

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-curriculum-in-england-history-programmes-of-study/national-curriculum-in-england-history-programmes-of-study
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by missjekyll: 4:52am On Jul 22
Zahra29:


Lol, well he cares about the Christian religion first and foremost. America is a Christian country.


AMERICA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY. The founding fathers thought it was so important that they wrote that into the constitution.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by missjekyll: 5:25am On Jul 22
Look at the molue that jammed Elon yesterday. Lol

Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(m): 6:00am On Jul 22
toughest007:


I have come to conclude that you really LACK comprehension! [/b]You can read, yes, but you no too dey understand wetin you read. Your replies are always off.

[b]You think being an MOD gifts you intelligence? You no get am be say you no get am.
Grow up baba...


toughest007:


You see what reading and consuming propaganda does to one out of hatred. You don't even know what 'convicted felon' really means. If you do, you'd know it doesn't have any place in the discuss.

Yes, there are US presidents and presidential candidates worse by all metrics than Trump. Go and educate yourself and stop blabbing what's above your grasp.

Grow up and stop embarrassing yourself. Most of your statements here diminishes your moniker.


Yes its now personal attack which is typical of MAGA hats, why do you have problem with the truth?

Tell me one thing i have said so far about your cult leader Trump that is not true, Just one.

You see how painful its to know that you are supporting a convicted criminal, a convicted sex-abuser and a fraudster?

If you and some Nigerians can over look his dirty past to support him then why are we disturbing our politicians? They are better than Trump.

We support all sorts of nonsense abroad and back home we have the gut to be shouting corruption right left and centre.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 6:23am On Jul 22
missjekyll:
Look at the molue that jammed Elon yesterday. Lol

Love this from VK.

Very accurate summary of the depravity that Trump represents.

Was very interesting to see EM's (non) response as well - sidestepping the points and making vague, irrelevant claims about fake news - as usual from MAGAs, as if Trump's actions haven't been very well documented beyond any doubt.

And I loved the very specific follow-ups from VK who, interestingly, used to be a republican himself.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/elon-musk-vinod-khosla-twitter-exchange-donald-trump-joe-biden-democratic-nominee-us-president-2569942-2024-07-22
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by claremont(m): 7:09am On Jul 22
toughest007:


You see what reading and consuming propaganda does to one out of hatred. You don't even know what 'convicted felon' really means. If you do, you'd know it doesn't have any place in the discuss.

Yes, there are US presidents and presidential candidates worse by all metrics than Trump. Go and educate yourself and stop blabbing what's above your grasp.

Grow up and stop embarrassing yourself. Most of your statements here diminishes your moniker.

Trump has been convicted of a felony, he meets the criteria of being called a convicted felon. Do you have any other definition of what a convicted felon is?

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by NewT123: 7:48am On Jul 22
missjekyll:


Badenoch is definitely not a 1st generation immigrant. She is 2nd generation.much like you,I suppose.

Our experiences are not the same and we can only really speak to our experiences and thats okay. While it feels inclusive to you, it doesn't to me.
It feels even worse after 2020

Badenoch said in her speech in parliament said she grew up in Nigeria even though she was born in Uk. She came to live in the UK when she was 16 years old. She is a 1st generation immigrant

Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Gerrard59(m): 8:11am On Jul 22
justwise:


This is just a very silly comment, so Muslim countries should ban Christians from visiting their country because they were founded on Muslim values? What an argument to make in 2024.

Tell that to Europeans who support right-wing parties because left-wing parties have failed to curtail immigration issues from mostly Muslim countries.

Again, lovey-dovey folks who fail to realise that humans are tribal beings,

I will be here to gloat to high heavens when Donald wins. What I pray for is a resounding victory. Audible to the deaf, visible to the blind and vocal to the dum.b. I want a victory that will be devastatingly brutal!

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by jedisco(m): 8:29am On Jul 22
justwise:


Time will tell, Dems will throw everything behind Kamala now because they got no choice, she has now till Nov to win those at the middle.

Trump need to be worried about the next debate, Kamala will make a mess of him

Hehe.. trump is not someone to be debated with. Even someone as oratorial as Obama might struggle cos while a sensible person is reeling out facts, all trump would do is latch on to a narrative, keep repeating it and make it a punch line.

You are sweating this matter too much. Most Nigerians would prefer Trump only for his stance on Abortion and LQBTQ. It does not matter if he's actively working against their economic wellbeing. It's like Britain and immigration

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Gerrard59(m): 8:30am On Jul 22
Cyberknight:


I usually avoid religious/religion-related matters, because those are most likely to get one sucked into an impassioned and largely fruitless back-and-forth, but your assertion in bold here makes no sense. When you say "the church" are you referring to your own denomination or to all Christian denominations in Nigeria? You can possibly only make such a claim for your own denomination if you are intimately involved with its affairs - there is absolutely no basis for you to extend that blanket claim to all churches in Nigeria. As an aside, I happen to have been a member of a Lagos church which, to the best of my recollection, was asking for donations for dioceses in the north in 2011 or so.
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What is the name of this church?

Secondly, you are implying that southern Nigerians do not contribute or have never contributed to relief campaigns of any sort for their brethren in the north affected by the ongoing insurgency. Can you point to any figures or verifiable information to substantiate this? Unless you are specifically expecting Lagos/Abuja/PH/sundry urban dioceses or churches with wealthy parishioners to forcibly dip their hands into their parishioners' pockets and organise a wealth transfer from them to people in other parts of Nigeria, I do not see how a church or a denomination can be accused of doing nothing to support its [denominational] co-worshippers in this regard.

Apart from the United States and maybe, just maybe South Korea, Nigeria has the highest concentration of wealthy pastors in the world. All of whom are located in Southern Nigeria. Aside from David Oyedepo who cried out in the killings of Christians across Northern Nigeria during Buhari's first term, NO PROMIMENT pastor in Southern Nigeria has done the same. NOT ONE! When David Hundeyin together with the late Obadiah Mailafia campaigned and lobbied for Nigeria to be listed amongst countries where more Christians have been murdered than elsewhere, the church in the south did not contribute. If it is hold hooooge crusades in the UK and Canada, the likes of CCI, Salavation Ministries, House on the Rock, HICC, RCCG, COZA etc., know how to organise such. In fact, at a point, Catholic Priests were kidnapped and killed like chickens almost every week, the Catholic Church in Nigeria never murmured. Even the Vatican was mute. Talking about RCCG, Enoch Adeboye described El-Rufai as a "kind and caring man". Iyin Aboyeji whose dad is the GO of Foursquare Gospel Church termed the brutal killings of ethnic minorities in Kaduna, all of whom were Christians as "little genocides". The orphans from these "little genocides" are being sponsored by faith-based institutions in the US by groups headed by WHITE people, not Nigerian-American or black groups o. O ye lovers of black people.

When Nigeria was removed from the list at the behest of lovey-dovey Biden, only the church in the north raised concerns. Their groove and tithing counterparts in the south didn't care. There has been no outreach or scholarships offered to brilliant victims of these slaughtering by the church in the south even though some of the best private universities in Nigeria are church owned. In fact, it is AUN owned by a Muslim - Atiku - that sponsors most of these orphans.

Also I do have recollections of the odd fundraising drive or other campaign fronted by one Christian leader/public figure or another over the years since the insurgency took hold. TB Joshua, CAN, Oritsejafor, etc. all come to mind, if I remember correctly.

Thanks for mentioning TB Joshua even though he spent more time on mountains in South America and Israel than the mountains in Jos and Adamawa. As for Ayo Oritsejafor, he is a businessman who tries to corner the Northern market for his prosperity preachings. Good luck to him when Northern Christians have sold their remaining and unoccupied farmlands to raise money to pay jihadists who kidnapped and raped their children from hostels.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(m): 8:47am On Jul 22
jedisco:


Hehe.. trump is not someone to be debated with. Even someone as oratorial as Obama might struggle cos while a sensible person is reeling out facts, all trump would do is latch on to a narrative, keep repeating it and make it a punch line.

You are sweating this matter too much. Most Nigerians would prefer Trump only for his stance on Abortion and LQBTQ. It does not matter if he's actively working against their economic wellbeing. It's like Britain and immigration

Does he? Remember this image from 2016 elections

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by bolagabriella: 9:25am On Jul 22
Ticha:



Answer all questions from a behavioural perspective.
The questions will be along the lines of; Give us an example of when you have …. Or the team/ the role does …. Give an example of

Your responses should follow the STARR format
Situation – This was happening, we had a project, my employer needed…
Task – The team was asked to…I was the project manager and part of my remit was to…
Action – I took these steps (lay out the steps, who you worked with, who you collaborated with) What, Where, How and What. Tools you used, skills you utilised (link to job and person spec)
Result – Use numbers, facts, figures, data (impact to the team, org and project
Reflection – What would you do differently next time? Why – Link to impact on team, org and project

Use ‘I’ statements rather than we or the team.

Find the Trust values and objectives (will be on their website) and work them into your Action/Result/Reflection responses.

Emphasise collaboration, seeking and providing guidance/ direction, taking initiative, requestion and taking onboard feedback from stakeholders.

Band 6 is the first rung of leadership in the NHS so have that in mind when planning your responses – how you show leadership. Think of leadership styles (collaborative being the best)

Read up on the NHS People Plan as well. Aim to spend about 5-6 minutes on each question. You’ll get between 6 and 9 questions. Do some rehearsals so your responses flow well.

Take time to think through your responses. Make and take notes with you.

I always ask for the questions to be printed out and handed to me for a face-to-face interview so ask. It helps to remind me of the points I need to hit. I now as a rule print out interview questions for all applicants when we interview.

Good luck and go smash it!
Do you make the request for interview questions from both government and private companies?
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by bolagabriella: 9:26am On Jul 22
Schoolhike:


I’ve asked interviewer twice last year to type out the question and paste during online interview.

Normally make the request before the interview date so that they are prepared.

Do you make the request for interview questions from both government and private companies?
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 9:50am On Jul 22
missjekyll:


Badenoch is definitely not a 1st generation immigrant. She is 2nd generation.much like you,I suppose.

Our experiences are not the same and we can only really speak to our experiences and thats okay. While it feels inclusive to you, it doesn't to me.
It feels even worse after 2020

You suppose wrong 😊

Badenoch describes herself as 1st gen:

in her maiden speech in the House of Commons she described herself as “to all intents and purposes a first-generation immigrant.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/kemi-badenoch-british-pm-tory-race/

You're right, experiences differ, nevertheless progress should be celebrated and having a person of colour/descendant of immigrants as the premier of all 4 countries in the UK is a major achievement (not replicated elsewhere) on the journey to a perfectly inclusive,colour blind society.

(Unless you're waiting for the the UK Crown to become more diverse e.g. rotate between Charles and all the commonwealth nations....imagine the Oba of Ibadan on the throne 😂)

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by toughest007: 9:57am On Jul 22
claremont:


Trump has been convicted of a felony, he meets the criteria of being called a convicted felon. Do you have any other definition of what a convicted felon is?

Context bro, context! Next time, read and understand the context of the discuss before rushing to bail Justwise.

Point to where I said he isn't.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 9:58am On Jul 22
Cyberknight:


Badenoch is second generation, in the sense that she is a UK-natively born child of foreign-born parents, even though the whole concept of "generations" of immigrants is nonsense beyond the first generation (the ones who arrived from somewhere else), as descendants who are born citizens should no longer be described as immigrants of any generation.

Badenoch describes herself as 1st generation. Perhaps because her parents weren't domiciled in the UK when she came to live here permanently.

Agree, I always get confused as to the diff between the generational immigrants, although they typically stop counting after 2nd or 3rd generation lol. Most black and brown people only go back as far as 3rd generation anyways. I think people low-key use it to gauge ties to the land - how deep one's roots go.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by missjekyll: 10:03am On Jul 22
Zahra29:


You suppose wrong 😊

Badenoch describes herself as 1st gen:

in her maiden speech in the House of Commons she described herself as “[b]to all intents and purposes [/b]a first-generation immigrant.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/kemi-badenoch-british-pm-tory-race/

You're right, experiences differ, nevertheless progress should be celebrated and having a person of colour/descendant of immigrants as the premier of all 4 countries in the UK is a major achievement (not replicated elsewhere) on the journey to a perfectly inclusive,colour blind society.

(Unless you're waiting for the the UK Crown to become more diverse e.g. rotate between Charles and all the commonwealth nations....imagine the Oba of Ibadan on the throne 😂)






Why did she add this phrase? Because she isn't.

I have just called myself a 1st gen immigrant without any fancy schmancy phrases. Her parents emigrated. She was born to uk citizens. We are not the same.

She only says that to legitimise her anti immigrant rhetoric.

If they start locking up 1st gen emigres now, she ll run away.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by toughest007: 10:16am On Jul 22
justwise:


[/b]

Yes its now personal attack which is typical of MAGA hats, why do you have problem with the truth?

Tell me one thing i have said so far about your cult leader Trump that is not true, Just one.

You see how painful its to know that you are supporting a convicted criminal, a convicted sex-abuser and a fraudster?

If you and some Nigerians can over look his dirty past to support him then why are we disturbing our politicians? They are better than Trump.

We support all sorts of nonsense abroad and back home we have the gut to be shouting corruption right left and centre.

Please grow up bro... Grow up! Exactly why I said you ain't as intelligent as you make folks here believe. Tell me this isn't true. Or do you have a problem with this particular truth?

As the class captain here, you ought to have known that you are derailing this platform and encouraging same. I need to point that out too to you.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by toughest007: 10:19am On Jul 22
missjekyll:


AMERICA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY. The founding fathers thought it was so important that they wrote that into the constitution.

...and you know better than the founding fathers?

This is exactly what I keep pointing out! Trying to sound politically correct and woke!
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 10:23am On Jul 22
missjekyll:


Why did she add this phrase? Because she isn't.

I have just called myself a 1st gen immigrant without any fancy schmancy phrases. Her parents emigrated. She was born to uk citizens. We are not the same.

She only says that to legitimise her anti immigrant rhetoric.

If they start locking up 1st gen emigres now, she ll run away.

I'm not sure Kemi is anti immigrant? Being on the right wing doesn't automatically mean that she is antiimmigrant. Most on the right advocate for lower/controlled immigration as opposed to zero immigration.

Her parents were not UK citizens when Kemi was born in the UK (at least I haven't seen anything to the contrary). When she was born, UK still conferred automatic citizenship by virtue of birth, irrespective of parents status - before this was rescinded by Thatcher.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by missjekyll: 10:26am On Jul 22
Gerrard59:


Tell that to Europeans who support right-wing parties because left-wing parties have failed to curtail immigration issues from mostly Muslim countries.

Again, lovey-dovey folks who fail to realise that humans are tribal beings,

I will be here to gloat to high heavens when Donald wins. What I pray for is a resounding victory. Audible to the deaf, visible to the blind and vocal to the dum.b. I want a victory that will be devastatingly brutal!


And you shall have it! 7 million more votes in 2020. 14 million more in 2024 for dems.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(m): 10:29am On Jul 22
toughest007:


Please grow up bro... Grow up! Exactly why I said you ain't as intelligent as you make folks here believe. Tell me this isn't true. Or do you have a problem with this particular truth?

As the class captain here, you ought to have known that you are derailing this platform and encouraging same. I need to point that out too to you.
As you might have noticed, a good number of people here are expressing their diverse political opinions without attacking anyone personally. This is what it should be in any civilised society.

This thread is not one topic thread, if you don’t like the topic then don’t bother reading.

I have not called you names or attacked you as a person. All my comments here are directed to Trump and his supporters.


That said. I will not have you insult me just because you disagrees with my political views.


I will not remember to mention this to you again.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by missjekyll: 10:33am On Jul 22
toughest007:


...and you know better than the founding fathers?

This is exactly what I keep pointing out! Trying to sound politically correct and woke!

They wrote explicitly that there will be no state religion. Their ancestors had fled religious persecution in England . They wanted no more of the snakeoil

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Ticha: 10:40am On Jul 22
bolagabriella:

Do you make the request for interview questions from both government and private companies?

Yes I ask for all interviews. It helps clarify my thoughts processes and because I always have notes with me, it means I can at a glance pick out which examples are suitable.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by kwakudtraveller(m): 10:46am On Jul 22
toughest007:


...and you know better than the founding fathers?

This is exactly what I keep pointing out! Trying to sound politically correct and woke!
On the contrary, America is not a Christian country as The First Amendment specifically prohibits the government from favouring one religion. Also the Founders' had mixed beliefs. Some founders were Christian, while others held different beliefs.

https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/first-amendment-and-religion

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by dustydee: 10:55am On Jul 22
Ticha:


Yes I ask for all interviews. It helps clarify my thoughts processes and because I always have notes with me, it means I can at a glance pick out which examples are suitable.
Are you saying it's ok to have my examples written out to prompt me when I want to answer a question?
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Cyberknight: 11:01am On Jul 22
kwakudtraveller:

On the contrary, America is not a Christian country as The First Amendment specifically prohibits the government from favouring one religion. Also the Founders' had mixed beliefs. Some founders were Christian, while others held different beliefs.

https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/first-amendment-and-religion

Correct.
Perhaps all the sound and fury around this issue would be clarified if all parties defined what they meant by a "Christian" or other religion country.

Does this mean a country where the government defines it as such through the adoption of a state religion or one where the majority of the population profess to practice said religion?

By the former definition, the US does not qualify and by the latter, it does.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Ticha: 12:08pm On Jul 22
dustydee:

Are you saying it's ok to have my examples written out to prompt me when I want to answer a question?

No 😅

I have notes (aide de memoir more like) of important points/ examples to hit on each specification. Same kind of notes you'll have if debating (hark to secondary school days) or giving a presentation.

I will have 2 - 3 bullet points of each of my examples on an A5 sheet and I refer to them.

In fact when I talk about my skills around being organised, being detailed, juggling tasks and being analytical - I use my notes as an example of one of the ways I keep myself on track and accountable. Because day to day at work, I use notes and reminders, otherwise I'll lose track.

The only civil service interview I passed (2 interviews online, failed one), I actually had all my examples written up and read off them. I do presentations for work so paraphrase a lot anyway. I had 2 screens, had the video interview on one screen and my notes on the other. Same way I do presentations. Shame they were painfully slow with onboarding!

I won't advise you to do that of you'll read verbatim!

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