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Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:10pm On Jul 29
AntiChristian:

What changed, God's law or man's?
And does man's law affect God's or vice versa?

God's laws doesn't change so if it's God's law which was established back in ancient Israel that we are using in Nigeria then anyone who is hungry could pluck grains on his way to where he's going and satisfy his appetite but that is not the case today in Nigeria where humans set up the constitution and keep on amending it!
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 5:46pm On Jul 29
MaxInDHouse:


God's laws doesn't change so if it's God's law which was established back in ancient Israel that we are using in Nigeria then anyone who is hungry could pluck grains on his way to where he's going and satisfy his appetite but that is not the case today in Nigeria where humans set up the constitution and keep on amending it!

Even Israel no dey use such laws today!
If God's laws does not change and Jesus is still a Jewish country why are they not using the law since it is in their book?
Our Colonizers who brought Christianity with them didn't define stealing with exceptions!

Abeg! Grandpa Stealing na stealing!
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:55pm On Jul 29
AntiChristian:

Even Israel no dey use such laws today!
If God's laws does not change and Jesus is still a Jewish country why are they not using the law since it is in their book?

By the time Moses brought the Israelites out of Egypt God gave them a constitution like their King but after they told God they're tired of His rulership and that they want human government the laws God gave them became secondary and their kings started going against the very laws God gave them! 1 Samuel 8:10-18

AntiChristian:

Our Colonizers who brought Christianity with them didn't define stealing with exceptions!
Abeg! Grandpa Stealing na stealing!

Those colonizers never brought Christianity i often tell you this but it's like you just love to deceive yourself because Christianity started with preaching from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} that's what Jesus the man called CHRIST commissioned so if any religion is not practicing that then they can't be Christians! smiley
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 5:57pm On Jul 29
MaxInDHouse:


By the time Moses brought the Israelites out of Egypt God gave them a constitution like their King but after they told God they're tired of His rulership and that they want human government the laws God gave them became secondary and their kings started going against the very laws God gave them! 1 Samuel 8:10-18
Alright!


Those colonizers never brought Christianity i often tell you this but it's like you just love to deceive yourself because Christianity started with preaching from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} that's what Jesus the man called CHRIST commissioned so if any religion is not practicing that then they can't be Christians! smiley[/quote] Na your form of JW Christianity be that! The Missionaries brought Christianity in to Nigeria!
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:00pm On Jul 29
AntiChristian:
Alright!

Na your form of JW Christianity be that! The Missionaries brought Christianity in to Nigeria!

You're really funny walahi talahi!

So if more than a million people starts eating pigs with beer and declare they are no longer practicing the salat you will agree with them that they are Muslims as long as they claim so shey? cheesy
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 6:11pm On Jul 29
MaxInDHouse:


You're really funny walahi talahi!

So if more than a million people starts eating pigs with beer and declare they are no longer practicing the salat you will agree with them that they are Muslims as long as they claim so shey? cheesy

Yes sir!
Eating pig and beer are great sins in Islam.

But it does not through them out of Islam if they are Muslims!

But if they no longer practice the Salah then they are disbelievers!
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:17pm On Jul 29
AntiChristian:

But if they no longer practice the Salah then they are disbelievers!

Ọmọ that's your own form of Islam jọọ as long as they're claiming Muslim ọmọ they're practicing Islam anyhow they choose to do their own! smiley
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 7:09am On Jul 30
MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ that's your own form of Islam jọọ as long as they're claiming Muslim ọmọ they're practicing Islam anyhow they choose to do their own! smiley

You can claim whatever but if you no dey pray for Islam you no dey Islam!
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:11am On Jul 30
AntiChristian:

You can claim whatever but if you no dey pray for Islam you no dey Islam!

The same thing i told you but you're hiding from.


You can claim whatever but if you no dey preach from house to house and door to door you no dey Christianity! smiley
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 9:07am On Jul 30
MaxInDHouse:


The same thing i told you but you're hiding from.


You can claim whatever but if you no dey preach from house to house and door to door you no dey Christianity! smiley

1. Was the Criminal Jesus promised the kingdom a Christian?

2. Did he preached from house to house?

3. Did he even know much about anything Christianity?

4. How many people did Jesus told to preach house to house after his disciples?
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:14am On Jul 30
AntiChristian:

1. Was the Criminal Jesus promised the kingdom a Christian?

2. Did he preached from house to house?

3. Did he even know much about anything Christianity?

4. How many people did Jesus told to preach house to house after his disciples?

[1] The thief was never a Christian the only thing he did that called Jesus' attention was to acknowledge Jesus as King which means he is ready to serve him as Lord, Master and King.
So Jesus promised to be with him in Paradise where the man will have the opportunity to learn from Jesus what it takes to live forever!


[2] NO

[3] NO

[4] The instruction to preach from house to house was established {Matthew 10:11-13} as a means to reach all the inhabitants of planet earth and it must continue until the end of badness {Matthew 28:19-20} which means all those claiming Christians must continue doing that work!
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 9:21am On Jul 30
MaxInDHouse:


[1] The thief was never a Christian the only thing he did that called Jesus' attention was to acknowledge Jesus as King which means he is ready to serve him as Lord, Master and King.
So Jesus promised to be with him in Paradise where the man will have the opportunity to learn from Jesus what it takes to live forever!


[2] NO

[3] NO

[4] The instruction to preach from house to house was established {Matthew 10:11-13} as a means to reach all the inhabitants of planet earth and it must continue until the end of badness {Matthew 28:19-20} which means all those claiming Christians must continue doing that work!

So non-Christians will be in Paradise and Christianity is not a means to that place!

4. How many people did Jesus told to preach house to house after his disciples?
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:38am On Jul 30
AntiChristian:

So non-Christians will be in Paradise and Christianity is not a means to that place!

YES!
Note what Paradise means:
A condition where only God's government is in force so there will be a lot of blessings for those who are resurrection to be there whether they are righteous or unrighteous {Act 24:15} but that doesn't mean they have been given everlasting life yet!

AntiChristian:

4. How many people did Jesus told to preach house to house after his disciples?

The commandments to pray (salat) was given to those standing with Muhammad but when did he speak to you one one to also practice the same thing? smiley
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 9:40am On Jul 30
MaxInDHouse:


YES!
Note what Paradise means:
A condition where only God's government is in force so there will be a lot of blessings for those who are resurrection to be there whether they are righteous or unrighteous {Act 24:15} but that doesn't mean they have been given everlasting life yet!



The commandments to pray (salat) was given to those standing with Muhammad but when did he speak to you one one to also practice the same thing? smiley

How many people did Jesus told to preach house to house after his disciples?
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:45am On Jul 30
AntiChristian:

How many people did Jesus told to preach house to house after his disciples?
How many people did Muhammad asked to do the salat after his followers in Mecca? smiley
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 11:24am On Jul 30
MaxInDHouse:

How many people did Muhammad asked to do the salat after his followers in Mecca? smiley

Muhammad did not ask anyone to do the Salah!

Allah did command all Muslims to perform Salah!

The aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism], perform As-Salat (Iqaamat-as-Salat) and give Zakaat, then they are your brethren in religion.” [al-Tawbah 9:11]

How many people did Jesus told to preach house to house after his disciples?
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:50am On Jul 30
AntiChristian:

Muhammad did not ask anyone to do the Salah!
Allah did command all Muslims to perform Salah!
The aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
“But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism], perform As-Salat (Iqaamat-as-Salat) and give Zakaat, then they are your brethren in religion.” [al-Tawbah 9:11]
How many people did Jesus told to preach house to house after his disciples?

When and where did you hear Allah's voice asking you to the Salat? smiley
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 1:06pm On Jul 30
MaxInDHouse:


When and where did you hear Allah's voice asking you to the Salat? smiley

It is clearly written in the Qur'an.

Don't try to avoid the question as i know Jesus didn't tell anyone beyond his selected disciples to go from house to house!

Jesus did preach to the Samaritans and he didn't mention any of such!
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:24pm On Jul 30
AntiChristian:


It is clearly written in the Qur'an.

Don't try to avoid the question as i know Jesus didn't tell anyone beyond his selected disciples to go from house to house!

Jesus did preach to the Samaritans and he didn't mention any of such!

Guy this is not just about arguing so if Allah never spoke to you one on one but you were directed to a book that was given to Muhammad then you can't prove that any Allah told you to do the Salat rather it's what you found Muslims doing and you asked were it was written that's why you're doing it today.


Jesus did send many disciples to go from house to house in TWOS {Luke 10:1, 5} so calm down and learn! smiley
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 2:27pm On Jul 30
MaxInDHouse:


Guy this is not just about arguing so if Allah never spoke to you one on one but you were directed to a book that was given to Muhammad then you can't prove that any Allah told you to do the Salat rather it's what you found Muslims doing and you asked were it was written that's why you're doing it today.
We are not talking about the scriptures here! The discussion is about your claim that Christians are ONLY the ones who go to preach house to house! This is unproven from Jesus in your Bible.

Jesus did send many disciples to go from house to house in TWOS {Luke 10:1, 5} so calm down and learn! smiley

In both Matthew 10:11-12, Mark 6 and Luke 10: the title of those places is Jesus sends out his disciples!

Where did Jesus make it compulsory for all those he preached to to go from house to house preaching?
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:52pm On Jul 30
AntiChristian:
We are not talking about the scriptures here! The discussion is about your claim that Christians are ONLY the ones who go to preach house to house! This is unproven from Jesus in your Bible.
In both Matthew 10:11-12, Mark 6 and Luke 10: the title of those places is Jesus sends out his disciples!

Where did Jesus make it compulsory for all those he preached to to go from house to house preaching?

You only need to figure out what he meant when he said:

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit"

If you agree that his disciples were sent to go preaching and teaching from house to house how is it difficult for you to know that any baptized follower of Christ should be a disciple who must also do what his disciples were asked to do? smiley
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 3:57pm On Jul 30
MaxInDHouse:


You only need to figure out what he meant when he said:

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit"

If you agree that his disciples were sent to go preaching and teaching from house to house how is it difficult for you to know that any baptized follower of Christ should be a disciple who must also do what his disciples were asked to do? smiley

Jesus told the appointed disciples to preach house to house. Jesus did had many other silent disciples like Joseph of Arimathea the one that allegedly buried him. Did Joseph preach house to house? So also Nicodemus, Simeone of Cyrene and Mary (not Magdalene).

Apart from the 12 disciples Jesus sent out to preached in the Bible, show me any other Christian who preached house to house?
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:13pm On Jul 30
AntiChristian:

Jesus told the appointed disciples to preach house to house. Jesus did had many other silent disciples like Joseph of Arimathea the one that allegedly buried him. Did Joseph preach house to house? So also Nicodemus, Simeone of Cyrene and Mary (not Magdalene).

Apart from the 12 disciples Jesus sent out to preached in the Bible, show me any other Christian who preached house to house?

I cited the scripture but you are just too hasty to check it so let me QUOTE it for you!

Luke 10:1

After these things the Lord designated 70 others and sent them out by twos ahead of him into every city and place where he himself was to go. NWT

‭After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go. NIV


After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come. KJV

So Jesus did send more out and he asked them to go from house to house! Luke 10:5
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 6:18pm On Jul 30
MaxInDHouse:


I cited the scripture but you are just too hasty to check it so let me QUOTE it for you!

Luke 10:1

After these things the Lord designated 70 others and sent them out by twos ahead of him into every city and place where he himself was to go. NWT

‭After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go. NIV


After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come. KJV

So Jesus did send more out and he asked them to go from house to house! Luke 10:5


Great! This is progress.

Back to your original claim that ONLY those who go from house to house are Christians! Where is that derived from?
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:26pm On Jul 30
AntiChristian:

Great! This is progress.

Back to your original claim that ONLY those who go from house to house are Christians! Where is that derived from?

The name "CHRISTIANS" was given to the group by the inhabitants of Antioch {Act 11:26} why because Jews in that city noticed this new Jewish religious group are preaching from house to house like that man called CHRIST and his DISCIPLES.

So if any group of religionists aren't preaching from house to house like those first century disciples are they Christians like the disciples given that group name in Antioch?smiley
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by AntiChristian: 9:09am On Jul 31
MaxInDHouse:


The name "CHRISTIANS" was given to the group by the inhabitants of Antioch {Act 11:26} why because Jews in that city noticed this new Jewish religious group are preaching from house to house like that man called CHRIST and his DISCIPLES.

So if any group of religionists aren't preaching from house to house like those first century disciples are they Christians like the disciples given that group name in Antioch?smiley

So the name "Christian" does not exist when Jesus was sending people out!
And you said those going from house to house are the ONLY Christians!

Can you explain this contradiction?
Re: Did Jesus And His Disciples Steal Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:37am On Jul 31
AntiChristian:

So the name "Christian" does not exist when Jesus was sending people out!
And you said those going from house to house are the ONLY Christians!

Can you explain this contradiction?

The name "CHRISTIANS" was borrowed from Antioch as observers noticed the followers of the Nazarene who claimed he is the Christ.

So when they were called CHRISTIANS they gladly welcome the name though it was meant to vilify them not for praise.

The name our God gave His worshipers from the beginning till today is:
"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Isaiah 43:10

Each generation of His worshipers were called by different GROUP names e.g
• Abraham's descendants
• Israelites
• Jews
• The Way
• Christians.

The last group name used for practicers of pure worship later became a CURSE as thousands of false religions began claiming they are Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines just as you can't figure out which of all these people are truly following the footsteps of Christ and his first century disciples.

That's why regarding the last group name JEHOVAH said to all false religious groups defaming His name:

"You will leave behind a name that my chosen ones will use as a curse, And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will put each of you to death, But his own servants he will call by another name" Isaiah 65:15

That's why we are called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES today.

You will notice that all those claiming Christians hate us just as Jesus foretold they will do to his real disciples! Matthew 24:9 smiley

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