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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:55am On Aug 06 |
BlueRayDick: What is almajiri education? There was never any plan beyond building school structures. Did we ever see an almajiri teacher? Or the books intended to teach them? Have we actually seen any concert plan by northern leadership to tackle this? I have said it before, the north is simply a fuedal structure where there are few ultra wealthy people, a scattered middle class and millions of peasants. All held together by rigid Islamic orthodoxy, ulamas and Islamic clerics who tell you the poor will enter Al jannah first. As to repentant boko haram, that was simply the north going for federal character. If militants got amnesty and scholarships, we should get the same too. Our time to chop even if money is finished. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by swiz123(m): 11:58am On Aug 06 |
BlueRayDick: The police has no right to execute a subdued alledged criminal. The video I just watched it outright murder. Only the Judiciary determine the punishment of a convicted criminal, not the executive as enshrined in our constitution. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Emaprince: 12:01pm On Aug 06 |
Segedinho:They said "evidence dey" |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 12:03pm On Aug 06 |
Theflint1: .....read what Fashola said again but with open mind devoid of any political sentiment this time around. Instead of segregating it as Al-Majiri School, kuku build more Primary Schools then enrol these kids free of charge. What will be the curriculum of this so called Al-Majiri Schools if I may ask?! 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Theflint1(m): 12:05pm On Aug 06 |
GloriousGbola:The North's cultural problem, while related is a different discourse altogether. Government can't stop making initiatives to provide education to kids in different parts of the country, cultural practice or na. Yes, for certain initiatives to succeed, local stakeholders have to be taken along, but there's really only so much you can do when the local stakeholders are more interested in playing politics with the lives of the children they're responsible for. Jonathan's almajiri education plan was a good initiative that for political and cultural reasons got frustrated. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 12:06pm On Aug 06 |
swiz123: Nigeria is a country where MC Oluomo was caught on camera threatening a certain demography of the electorates who decides to vote against his preferred candidate. The police spokesperson claims the statement was a joke and laughed it off. On the election day, the threat was carried out as MC had intended. What happened thereafter? Nothing! Absolutely nothing. If for a second u believe Nigeria is a country where the law reigns supreme, then u need to have a rethink. Anything and many things dey happen for this country. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 12:10pm On Aug 06 |
GloriousGbola: .......that's why I asked Theflint1 to read it with open mind. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 12:10pm On Aug 06 |
Theflint1: Almajiri system was simply poor people sending their children to live with Islamic scholars to be trained. The children when not in Ile kewu were put on the street to beg for alms. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Theflint1(m): 12:11pm On Aug 06 |
OasisX: This is beyond the presence or absence of schools, these kids are not in school because their parents searched for schools and didn't see, they're out of school because they don't even see the need for schooling in the first place. For special problem like this, you need unique solutions that go beyond just building more schools. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by swiz123(m): 12:12pm On Aug 06 |
https://www.nairaland.com/8176584/food-crisis-register-n40000-rice#131354948 I am still very optimistic that this rice is not the same one OasisX is talking about, because nobody on this thread claimed to be a civil servant. Oasis, stop keeping me in the dark and update me on the progress you have made thus far. I believe I am speaking unbehalf of many in this thread. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Theflint1(m): 12:13pm On Aug 06 |
GloriousGbola:Yes, and the almajiri education system was supposed to bring education to the kids at that level...so while the cultural practice might continue, the government works around these practices to give the kids more than just that Islamic education. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 12:13pm On Aug 06 |
GloriousGbola: They like western education. Go to ABU or KASU. Na them der d even give the juices courses. Medicine, Pharmacy and the like. If you come down here, you go d here say na the Hausa them d give those juices courses and is the truth. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by swiz123(m): 12:19pm On Aug 06 |
BlueRayDick: I am not unaware of this. Your post passed off as someone trying to justify illegal execution by the police. Nobody knows what the man did and the policeman murdered him at his own discretion. During this period and worst in the North, this can cause serious revolution if a devilish mind twists this situation properly. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 12:19pm On Aug 06 |
GloriousGbola: Why do u think Jonathan's government decided to formalize the almajari system of education in the first place? Hope u know prior Jonathan's attempt at formalizing the almajari system, there are millions of northern kids who ourightly shunned western education due to their beliefs/culture? Jonthan was only looking at a situation where those kids are not completely ostracized from the rest of the society with no skill or knowledge whatsoever, thereby becoming ready-made reccuits for terrorists and fundamentalists. At least let the number of vulnerable kids be out of reach of boko haram and the likes. You can't claim there was no arrangement beyond building of school structures. The same thing that happens where there's a change of government happened with the Almajari system; Jonathan lost the election and the new sheriff in town was not interested in continuing his initiative and the ends. The crazy thing about all of this is that even if as a southerner u chose not to concern urself with what is happening in the north, u will feel it when there's scarcity of and hike in the prices of food commodity. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 12:19pm On Aug 06 |
There are many mentorable people in this Dominican Republic vs Brazil volleyball match. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 12:19pm On Aug 06 |
swiz123: .....save youself from the darkness. Go back to the page, read it well and save yourself from self-inflicted Darkness. LOL! |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 12:21pm On Aug 06 |
Theflint1: Can you show an actual teacher that was engaged in this program? Can you show an actual curriculum? Can you entail why there would be almajiri schools when there were already regular govt schools that provide free education? So what exactly were the almajiri schools bringing to the table? It was just another of gejs white elephant projects what wasted money without any actual target |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 12:23pm On Aug 06 |
Theflint1: ......yet you believe building Al-Majiri Schools is all needed to fix the problem?! Suddenly both Parents and Kids will pick interests in Education because Al-Majiri Schools are built?! LOL! |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 12:24pm On Aug 06 |
swiz123: I am not trying to justify the killing. I was very open minded in my initial post. I mentioned that the video might be an old or unrelated video. Segedinho has since posted Dailytrust's sources confirming it is a recent video. That being said, I have seen enough cases of security agents taking laws into their hands without any legal consequence(either for the wrong or right reasons); hence the reason why I'm not surprised or outraged. It's like something that has happened over and over again |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Segedinho(m): 12:28pm On Aug 06 |
swiz123: The rice biz he brought up shows how much he is detached from the reality in Nigeria... No bizman will give a relatively unknow person his product for 3 days without collateral or otherwise here in Nigeria.. In as much as he meant well,but the proposed rice was too good to be true . I think he was awashed by the person just to paint the wailing Nigerians liars..... 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amoto94(m): 12:30pm On Aug 06 |
GloriousGbola:There were plans including free meals and school materials. I happened to assist someone with a report and during our discussion- I asked are they attending the schools? The person replied no that the people are not interested despite the efforts made by stakeholders to make it work. You can take a camel to the river but you can't force it to drink from the said river |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 12:32pm On Aug 06 |
GloriousGbola: Where are the regular government schools? I served in the North and i taught Mathematics. SS1 was from A to K, i think.. Only me be Maths teacher, and the students were not Almajiri oh. I'm surprised you are downplaying the effect of schools in a region that had little or no presence of it. Maybe it was to siphon funds or for politics, but if the school did run, it would have contributed to their literacy |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Theflint1(m): 12:32pm On Aug 06 |
GloriousGbola:The initiative barely took flight flight because it got politicized by the APC, same way they politicized subsidy removal in 2012. Obviously the curriculum would be the existing education curriculum, only the kids would probably be getting taught at their pace and maybe their KPIs a little different from conventional schools. The almajiri schools was supposed to combine western education with the islamic education these parents are inclined to provide their kids when they send them to clerics to memorize the Quran. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 12:34pm On Aug 06 |
Amoto94: ....cc Theflint1. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Theflint1(m): 12:35pm On Aug 06 |
OasisX:Building Almajiri schools wasn't all there was to the initiative, and the idea was supposed to be a merge of what the parents are interested in (Quranic education) with what society needs (Western/conventional education). |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Theflint1(m): 12:37pm On Aug 06 |
OasisX:APC had a campaign against the almajiri education initiative, same way they waged a campaign against subsidy removal in 2012...9 years later those northern kids are still out of school and Nigeria's are suffering the consequences of not removing subsidy when we should. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 12:38pm On Aug 06 |
Theflint1: ......read this your post again, then read Fasola's opinion on this matter one more time. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 12:39pm On Aug 06 |
monerozi5590: I don't blame her. Nearly every member of her family was killed when soldiers stormed the President's house in the 1970s. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 12:40pm On Aug 06 |
Theflint1: ......every blame sha must be attributed to APC. How many Northern States were under APC when GEJ came up with the Initiative?! |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 12:41pm On Aug 06 |
GloriousGbola: It was in the midst of what to do with the increasing number of almajirai that the federal government led by former President Goodluck Jonathan began constructing model tsangaya/almajiri schools across the country as part of the Almajiri Education Programme. https://dailytrust.com/fgs-almajiri-school-system-flops-as-n15bn-facilities-rot-away/ 1.The above shows my initial position to be correct. 2.There were indeed teachers 3. The idea was to make sure the vulnerable students get a mixture of Islamic education and western education(Since they won't embrace purely western education) 4. The state governors and elites were less concerned about Almajari getting education. 5. Buahri's new government didn't give a rat-ass about any Almajari system and like they say "The rest is history" |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 12:42pm On Aug 06 |
Theflint1: But that is exactly what gej did. He attacked a cultural problem with a construction solution. Same mentality of governors building airports that no one will use. The fuedal and poor northerners who listen first and foremost to the Islamic clerics have been taught that anything western is haram. Unless the clerics change the messaging this will remain. But the clerics will not change the messaging because the almaji give them power. Impoverished, uneducated easily manipulated. An ulama says vote for Mr a and they dobut without blinking. Attack that house. They do it without thinking. Western education will take that power away from the. Everyone in the system prefers the status quo including the leaders as it means they have an easy way of controlling the impoverished masses So any educational system that will emancipate and give free will to the millions of almajiris is dead on arrival. More so when it is a kafirun system. Also less northerners going to school means more opportunities for the small educated class. That is how you have clowns like that guy who produced that rubbish Nigerian Twitter app as thought leaders. Or waspaping. 2 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Theflint1(m): 12:44pm On Aug 06 |
OasisX: OasisX:Reality is undefeated my guy...9 years later, these kids are no better than they were during the Jonathan government, and Fashola has since moved on with his life after he and his party played politics with the initiative. |
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