kwakudtraveller:


Abeg try stay safe and don’t go out to these areas where they are rioting, because remember that you are also dark skinned (according to your posts) before they see you as meat to attack, as you won’t be holding your Nairaland post of defence on your chest for them to see.

We will have to agree to disagree peacefully again. You don't agree with my logic, I also do not agree with your inability to consider any rational viewpoints or concerns outside the lens of a recent immigrant (not just now, even when we used to debate about student dependants and other immigration points).

Thanks for your concern. Fortunately there are no protests nor any disruption where I live or work, however as a company we are taking employee wellbeing and safety seriously and have ensured that measures are in place to support any staff that need it e.g. WFH, signposting to HR and mental health services and so on.

Stay safe as well. Hopefully after today's peak, the protests/riots will start to die down.

ReesheesuKnack:


Thanks for your recommendation. But I already have that. In abundance. Unless if your definition of emotional intelligence means only people who agree with your opinions are emotionally intelligent.

You should do a refresher training, as someone with a high EQ would understand that there’s a time and place for the sort of conversation that you are having. Here’s a video you can watch. I hope this helps. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr8sLxde1m8?si=dQvIHOw0J4c5S0fW

justwise:


I know but why will you bother to check if the rumours is true or false? He is black so the rumour most be true.

Exactly - why?

The fact that they didn't even wait for the asylum seeker rumour to be verified and quicky descended into protests and violence shows that there are serious deep rooted issues, including rising intolerance, islamophobia and anti immigration sentiment (particularly resentment against asylum seekers) which is pronounced in certain areas.

What will happen in the future if/when an asylum seeker or refugee is confirmed as committing a murder(s) or terrorist attack(s)? Another eruption of violence? Its complex but these are some of the issues that the govt will need to look into after they've dealt with the rioters.

kwakudtraveller:


Your whole argument has been “I don’t support the violence,” BUT abc. That, BUT is the problem, especially as this platform is filled with black Africans. If you want to speak from both sides of the mouth, perhaps go to Reddit, where you'll have the "balanced" audience that you are looking for.

I just mentioned the white assailant chasing a Muslim couple with a chainsaw, and now you’ve come with the same "whatsaboutism" of white people also getting attacked as if they are the main target (the same thing Claremont accused you of doing, so now I hope you see the trend).

Besides, no one is asking you to join the force or go out for an anti-protest, so don’t try to play the victim card; everyone expects you to understand their fear and how mentality exhausting it is as opposed to sitting comfortably in the middle with your stomach facing the assailants.

Missjekyll mentioned that they tried to burn down a hotel, and you said she shouldn’t spread fake news. Based on your logic with the fire, they were probably trying to roast corn and not burn the hotel to the ground.

Traffic was being organised based on skin colour, with white people getting access and black and brown people being told they couldn’t go through. If you don’t see the problem with your logic and what is actually happening then I have nothing else to say to you.

Abeg try stay safe and don’t go out to these areas where they are rioting, because remember that you are also dark skinned (according to your posts) before they see you as meat to attack, as you won’t be holding your Nairaland post of defence on your chest for them to see.

kwakudtraveller:

Perhaps you should also take training on emotional intelligence.

Zahra29:


Thanks for your concern. Fortunately there are no protests nor any disruption where I live or work, however as a company we are taking employee wellbeing and safety seriously and have ensured that measures are in place to support any staff that need it e.g. WFH, signposting to HR and mental health services and so on.

Stay safe as well. Hopefully after today's peak, the protests/riots will start to die down.

It is good that you are doing what you are doing as a company. If only you, as an individual, would show the same level of empathy and concern on this forum. Thank you, we go try to dey safe.

ReesheesuKnack:


You did not notice that those were 2 different posts by me?
The second post was me writing about part of the long term solutions (which every reasonable govt the world over should) to the problems outlined in the first post.

I notice that no one has yet justified that it is okay for any country to spend £8,000,000:00 per day on hotels for Illegal migrants/asylum seekers.

That's because they no longer consider them as Illegal migrants, but fellow migrants.

One positive thing to come out of these riots - instead of vilifying those crossing by boat as the problem migrants who are tainting the reputation of the superior legal migrants, there's now a bit more compassion towards them. Or at least less disdain.

kwakudtraveller:

It is good that you are doing what you are doing as a company. If only you, as an individual, would show the same level of empathy and concern on this forum. Thank you, we go try to dey safe.

How do I do that? By explicitly saying "stay safe" to every poster? Curious, has everyone said that out loud or it's just me who has to say it to prove that I am not a far-right supporter or rioter?

Noted.

And I genuinely hope that everyone, and their families, stays safe and well.

In the final analysis, the government has to do something about that £8m spent daily on immigrants who came through the channels as it were... That money is indeed much. And there's definitely a difference between migrants who came in through Heathrow and those who came in via the boats. The chances of a well documented immigrant involving in crime would be so much lower than those undocumented immigrants surviving under the radar. Unfortunately, the far right nationalists don't see any difference, they even attack BAME British citizens.

ehizario2012:
In the final analysis, the government has to do something about that £8m spent daily on immigrants who came through the channels as it were... That money is indeed much. And there's definitely a difference between migrants who came in through Heathrow and those who came in via the boats. The chances of a well documented immigrant involving in crime would be so much lower than those undocumented immigrants surviving under the radar. Unfortunately, the far right nationalists don't see any difference, they even attack BAME British citizens.

Yay. Was about to mention you again.

There is no excuse for these racist riots. None.
There are ways of addressing concerns, dragging people out of cars and beating them, chasing people with chain saws, burning people alive is not it. Simple and short.

I m happy to report that many of these despicable racists are now in the finding out phase of F**k around, Find out.

The police and courts are underresourced but nicely there is no statute of limitations on rioting. They will find out and I ll be giggling from the sidelines.

Stay safe. We are sharing sit reps on the town WhatsApp group.
My next plan is to set up a buddy system.

See if that can work in your town too. Hopefully your children can still have some fun activities this summer.

Zahra29:


No I don't.

I believe the ONLY factor at play in the mind of white Brits is race/racism. No other issues or concerns whatsoever.

The average white Brit is fascist, anti-immigrant, not to mention lazy and benefit scrounging. The fact that protests/ riots (including others like Harehills) are taking place in areas known to be deprived/in need of levelling up, is purely coincidental.

But as soon as the police round up these far right thugs and put them in prison (hopefully very soon), Britain will return to a paradise - prosperous, safe, equal, harmonious and integrated communities everywhere from Teeside to Chelsea, noone on benefits, there'll be plenty of money to go around - we can spend even more on "asylum hotels" and open one in every town and city.

We won't even need Parliament much as there'll be no issues to discuss or solve. Instead we can all congregate at Dover and lorry ports to welcome the increasing number of migrants arriving by boat and lorry. Perhaps the BAME community can even sign up to house them like the Ukrainian refugees were housed.

It's amusing how you have turned this into satire and are entertaining yourself with it. Sometimes, I wonder whether it is your inability to keep conversations within context or a deliberate attempt to mislead people.

I don't think anyone on this forum denies that there are fundamental issues with the system that are worth angering people. The point is they are directing their anger towards the wrong people, plus they are doing it dangerously. And when people on this thread raised their concern about it, you have been going on and on trying to justify the wicked act fuelled by racism and hatred, blaming it on deprivation. You were being told that your line of argument is faulty by many people, but instead of agreeing, you in your characteristic self keep bringing several other conflating angles to it to justify your stance. You went from whataboutism to speaking from both sides of the mouth and to downplaying a matter of life and death, turning it into some dry, unappealing comedy!

What those rioters are doing has no basis for justification. If members of the BAME community did the same in 2011, as I have been reading here, every right-thinking person would have condemned it outright without trying to blame it on deprivation or what have you - and so should it be now that it is coming from far-right people.

Ordinarily, I would have just ignored all your comments as I have mostly done for any such conversation that involves you (because I know it's like throwing a hand fan in the air a hundred times), but this a matter of life and death that has gotten people who look like me attacked, kept us in fear for days and forced us to stay indoors more than I should - and I can't just look the other way while someone tries to make mockery of it.

Something to think about before making subtle (possibly unintentional) explanations/justification for racists and islamophobic people.

If you look hard enough, you can find "seemingly logical" reasons for Hitler, Limpold, and Osama bin Laden actions.

The core is that the reasons are camouflage for their underlying identity and IT IS NOT IN YOUR BEST INTEREST to be "logical" about it

All the best

ehizario2012:
In the final analysis, the government has to do something about that £8m spent daily on immigrants who came through the channels as it were... That money is indeed much. And there's definitely a difference between migrants who came in through Heathrow and those who came in via the boats. The chances of a well documented immigrant involving in crime would be so much lower than those undocumented immigrants surviving under the radar. Unfortunately, the far right nationalists don't see any difference, they even attack BAME British citizens.

A logical and balanced comment.

The money is indeed much especially in deprived communities, and there are other concerns as you have noted such as crime.

And you're right - what started off as racist attacks against refuge centres, migrant hotels and mosques (as bad as that is) has unfortunately snowballed in many places into broader attacks on anyone who looks like an immigrant or Muslim.

Hopefully today will be worst of it and the protests/riots will start to die down.

LionInZion:


It's amusing how you have turned this into satire and are entertaining yourself with it. Sometimes, I wonder whether it is your inability to keep conversations within context or a deliberate attempt to mislead people.

I don't think anyone on this forum denies that there are fundamental issues with the system that are worth angering people. The point is they are directing their anger towards the wrong people, plus they are doing it dangerously.

Ordinarily, I would have just ignored all your comments as I have mostly done for any such conversation that involves you

Respectfully, I think you should go back to ignoring my posts. You've made it apparent that I'm not your cup of tea (which is okay) and you clearly lack the ability to read any of my comments without bias and judgement.

- Nowhere have I supported the violence or rioters or looters.
- Nowhere have I said that they were justified to direct their anger via riots or violence - there is no "right" target to their violence contrary to your statement
- Nowhere have I supported anyone being attacked, or property being vandalised.

In fact I have said the opposite to the above several times and I have supported strong police action against the rioters. I can't keep repeating myself to satisfy you and the like, who are bent on twisting every word I say.

I'm sorry to hear you were attacked. I hope you have a full recovery and that you and your family are well going forward, and that the perpetrators are caught and dealt with.

ehizario2012:
In the final analysis, the government has to do something about that £8m spent daily on immigrants who came through the channels as it were... That money is indeed much. And there's definitely a difference between migrants who came in through Heathrow and those who came in via the boats. The chances of a well documented immigrant involving in crime would be so much lower than those undocumented immigrants surviving under the radar. Unfortunately, the far right nationalists don't see any difference, they even attack BAME British citizens.

Ehiz, just like you said, the attackers do not care if you came in through a boat or through the airport; all they see is a non-white person who is supposedly causing crimes, living lavishly, and taking their jobs. If they truly cared about the alleged £8 million daily spend or had issues with their government, then they would be protesting on Downing Street or marching to the House of Commons and not attacking people that look like you and me. After all, Bangladesh’s prime minister ran to India after her home was invaded. So let’s not justify their antics, please.

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Gerrard59:

While that is true, how come none of these Labour Party supporters, aka lovey-dovey people, mention the heinous crimes perpetrated which have been going on for a long time? Why is it that criminals are never condemned because of their skin colour and never apprehended because of the God they worship?

Is it a bad thing to acknowledge that crime is bad and criminals should be dealt with regardless of who they are and what they look like? In which community anywhere in the world would three girls be stabbed alongside other devilish acts without the natives complaining?

See another brother in lovey-doveness who gave citizenship status to a known terrorist. Should the natives vote for a party that promises to clamp down on lax border security and lax law enforcement, should they be called racists?

In summary, my point is simple: if law-abiding first and second-generation immigrants cannot pressure the party and politicians they support to be hard on crime and lax border security, don't be angry when the natives vote for politicians and parties who promise to enforce them.

https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1820916041255383459?t=Hs5DSN7z9leqPF4XTQDqXw&s=19

Thank you for bringing this up. There are two things I noticed in the video you shared (if the story is true): one - failure on the part of the government to prevent a chronic criminal from having access to its boders let alone their country. two - a chronic criminal who should be behind bars but is enjoying undue freedom and could wreak another havoc sooner or later. Now, should these two situations get people angry? Heck yes! Who should the anger be directed at? The govt who failed to do its work, and the criminal himself. Would it be right to now start attacking random people on the street who look like the criminal? Definitely not - and that is the point of the whole argument on the UK issue. Yes I agree with you that criminal act should be condemned outright and the dimwit who stabbed those three innocent girls should rot in jail because I feel bad for the news as if those girls were mine, and I will get personal with anyone trying to excuse the dastard act under whatever guide.

Now, to your last paragraph, what makes you think the first and second-generation immigrants aren't pressuring politicians/parties to be hard on criminals? I asked because I don't think there is an identification mark that shows the immigration status of people condemning/condoning criminal acts. Let's even say they aren't, why should that be counted against them. It may interest you that many migrants only want a safe place to work and provide for their families and care less about politics. And if that's the path they chose, why should it be counted against them?

Also, there is an ongoing agenda in media that is misleading natives into believing all problems in the country are caused by immigrants and when immigrants commit offence they only get a pat in the back. One of such is the picture below posted by a tweeter user and mischievously reposted by Elon Musk https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1820805335700873619 . And for the record, it is none of my business if natives vote in far right or close left, but it is my business if they make me the target of their frustration.

Where have you been? Welcome back.

hustla:
I remember being on this thread, ranting about how immigrants, especially legal immigrants like students are portrayed by the English media...

I also remember some people here defending their racist actions and portrayal of immigrants, same people who now would be afraid to go out due to the anti immigrant protests going on right now

I hope we can all see that no matter the spree spree English you speak with your nose and the government you defend cos you feel you're now part of them, you're still black and a bloody immigrant at the end of the day

Light n*gga, dark n*gga, faux n*gga, real n*gga
Rich n*gga, poor n*gga , house n*gga, field n*gga..
... Still n*gga

Not friendly immigration policies.

Rather, necessary immigration policies.

ReesheesuKnack:


@ the bolded
That’s the problem. Facts & figures don’t matter. Just keep regurgitating lines without evidence.

Rishi Sunak (CONSERVATIVES) is "the most liberal prime minister we've ever had on immigration".

Guess who made the quote above?
If you know who made that quote, you will see why your argument above falls like a pack of cards.

When it comes to immigration, the Tories are damned if they do, damned if they don’t. The Tories are/were accused by folks like you to be anti-immigration. Meanwhile, the Labour Leader (as of June 4 2024) accused the Tory prime minister of being the most immigration-liberal PM the UK has ever had. Shuoooo…

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tax-immigration-keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-leader-tv-debates-general-election-b1162131.html#


PS: If not for the very friendly and liberal immigration policies of the Tories (such as Health Care Visa, unbundling the tier-2 visa, Global talent visa etc…) a lot, lot of immigrants (including many on this thread) wouldn’t have immigrated to the UK.
Under the Tories, net (LEGAL) migration for Last year was over 650,000. Yet, some folks still keep rehashing the lines that Tories are anti-migration and Labour is pro-migration.

hustla:
I remember being on this thread, ranting about how immigrants, especially legal immigrants like students are portrayed by the English media...

I also remember some people here defending their racist actions and portrayal of immigrants, same people who now would be afraid to go out due to the anti immigrant protests going on right now

I hope we can all see that no matter the spree spree English you speak with your nose and the government you defend cos you feel you're now part of them, you're still black and a bloody immigrant at the end of the day

Light n*gga, dark n*gga, faux n*gga, real n*gga
Rich n*gga, poor n*gga , house n*gga, field n*gga..
... Still n*gga

I remember warning then that when it comes to immigration policies, there was no segmentation and that everyone was placed inside the same bucket whether you came via boat, plane, or through the forest. Good to hear from you again hustla, keep safe dear!

You have the right to your opinions but this is distasteful.

I live in Newcastle and work in Sunderland. You may be far removed from the reality of a possibility of violence

You shouldn't however discount the people affected directly.

If you were here, youd be a target too because you're not white. Your education, accent, visa type or passport colour counts for zilch.

This is also a thread on a forum for people of largely Nigerian/black/coloured origins. Read the room.

Your advice nuggets on UKVI policies are lovely, but for this one, your penalty went over the line for a throw-in.

Zahra29:


That's because they no longer consider them as Illegal migrants, but fellow migrants.

One positive thing to come out of these riots - instead of vilifying those crossing by boat as the problem migrants who are tainting the reputation of the superior legal migrants, there's now a bit more compassion towards them. Or at least less disdain.

Welcome back!

Howfar with the job search?

hustla:
I remember being on this thread, ranting about how immigrants, especially legal immigrants like students are portrayed by the English media...

I also remember some people here defending their racist actions and portrayal of immigrants, same people who now would be afraid to go out due to the anti immigrant protests going on right now

I hope we can all see that no matter the spree spree English you speak with your nose and the government you defend cos you feel you're now part of them, you're still black and a bloody immigrant at the end of the day

Light n*gga, dark n*gga, faux n*gga, real n*gga
Rich n*gga, poor n*gga , house n*gga, field n*gga..
... Still n*gga

budaatum:


Farage will not resign, and the party he leads can't exactly remove the whip. It does put egg on his face though, and will haunt him going forward.

Or, he's a racist who has always wanted the "immigrants" out of his "precious" country and got the perfect "fall guy" to take on the blame.. Ridiculous.. Annoying...

LaXxOnebody:
You have the right to your opinions but this is distasteful.

I live in Newcastle and work in Sunderland. You may be far removed from the reality of a possibility of violence

You shouldn't however discount the people affected directly.

If you were here, youd be a target too because you're not white. Your education, accent, visa type or passport colour counts for zilch.

This is also a thread on a forum for people of largely Nigerian/black/coloured origins. Read the room.

Your advice nuggets on UKVI policies are lovely, but for this one, your penalty went over the line for a throw-in.

Sigh. Another one.

I fail to see how this comment about asylum seekers translates to me disregarding attacks against Nigerians and PoC in Newcastle or Sunderland. However I apologise if that's how you misinterpreted my comment.

I hope you and your loved ones stay safe and that the unrest/riots calm down very soon.

Lol.

You still don't get it. You may never sha.

Let someone who's a recent Nigerian(lol) or person of colour to go through your last few posts and responses and see if they also misinterprete your comments.

Intentionally or not, there's something blocking or influencing your general views, which is standard for everyone. But on these issues, nah.
Also, there's no need to (try to) apologise. You're who you are.

Zahra29:


Sigh. Another one.

I fail to see how this comment about asylum seekers translates to me disregarding attacks against Nigerians and PoC in Newcastle or Sunderland. However I apologise if that's how you misinterpreted my comment.

I hope you and your loved ones stay safe and that the unrest/riots calm down very soon.

hustla:
I remember being on this thread, ranting about how immigrants, especially legal immigrants like students are portrayed by the English media...

I also remember some people here defending their racist actions and portrayal of immigrants, same people who now would be afraid to go out due to the anti immigrant protests going on right now

I hope we can all see that no matter the spree spree English you speak with your nose and the government you defend cos you feel you're now part of them, you're still black and a bloody immigrant at the end of the day

Light n*gga, dark n*gga, faux n*gga, real n*gga
Rich n*gga, poor n*gga , house n*gga, field n*gga..
... Still n*gga

Yes, just like yesterday. I remember how some even reminded us how things were worse during Windrush, so why were we being irrational with our complaints? A lot of false rhetorics with derogatory words in media then, and when you complained here, the defenders of the system would twist and bend the narrative to suit themselves. Unfortunately, it is still the same old story in Ray charles' voice.

LaXxOnebody:
Lol.

You still don't get it. You may never sha.

Let someone who's a recent Nigerian(lol) or person of colour to go through your last few posts and responses and see if they also misinterprete your comments.

Intentionally or not, there's something blocking or influencing your general views, which is standard for everyone. But on these issues, nah.
Also, there's no need to (try to) apologise. You're who you are.

No I don't.

Gerrard59 for example has made far more direct, and what some might call harsh, comments on this issue and I don't think you've called him out on any of his views? Ehizario made very similar comments to me about some of the issues surrounding the protests. Silence from you (and everyone else except Kwakudtraveller who rebuked him very mildly lol)

So I'm not naive to know that for a number of posters, it's more a case of "the messenger" as opposed to "the message". But that's a normal part of life.

ReesheesuKnack:
Very interesting debate going on here. So refreshing to read the views.

I still think the UK needs to be tough, very very tough on the issue of illegal migration and the issues of small boats crossings. The PM promised to ‘smash the gangs’ I hope he will smash the gangs much sooner rather than latter.

As a (legal) migrant myself, I find it outrageous and to be honest, appalling that any country in the world should follow the UK model.

a. You allow illegal migrants to get to your shores in small boats (the argument that some are genuine asylum seekers is for another day).

b. You spend £8,000,000:00 every SINGLE day on hotels for these arrivals. 2024 is a leap year. 366 days.
£8,000,000:00 x 366 = £2,928,000,000:00 per year (read: Two Billion, Nine Hundred and Twenty Eight Million Pound Sterlings) on ‘Migrant hotels’ ALONE.

c. You can’t train homegrown nurses. A& E units are full to the brim. You even take away winter allowance for your pensioners. You cry everyday about budget black holes. You tax the people. You increase taxes. You can’t lift the cap on 2-child benefits etc…


While what these rioters are doing in places is extremely abominable, I hope the UK govt will take immediate steps to solve some of the immediate/root cause(s) of the riots.


Full Disclosure: I 100% supported the defunct “Rwanda Scheme”.

The number of people who came in using dinghy is less than those of us that flew in. I still believe HO made a wrong prediction about the net migration.

Let’s not forget this people are the natives and they can tell if the demography has change in their eyes and they have the right to seek redress but, the way they went about it is flawed.

Viruses:


You dey fear for anonymous forum? No fear na. Address people or issues with your full chest. The use of "the character" just sounds condescending in a decent discussion.

You're not anonymous here, you'll be fished-out within thirty minutes if the stakes are high enough

missjekyll:


Isn't that what everyone voted for a month ago? Change? Did they need to turn to attempted murder and theft to make an additional point?

What did I do to deserve fearing for my life in my own country kwa? All plans for summer cancelled? Fear on my way to work? Contingency mapping routes of escape?Did I approve the billions wasted on Rwanda and housing asylum seekers? What is my part in this?

If I say that I ve filed your opinion in a bin now,people ll say I m rude.

I laugh at your own country. This are the things you lots say that pisses them off. You get British passport doesn’t make it your country. We all know who the natives are, you are just a British passport holder the indigenes know themselves.

Zahra29

The main issue people are having with your comment which you seems not to grab is the timing of your arguments. It should come later when it is all calm and not at the moment when POC are living in fear being harmed or maimed.

If your family were in the position of harm during this riot, I believe you wouldn’t come here defending why they were being attacked.

An important aspect of emotional intelligence is timing.

lavida001:


I laugh at your own country. This are the things you lots say that pisses them off. You get British passport doesn’t make it your country. We all know who the natives are, you are just a British passport holder the indigenes know themselves.

Lol.
The only indigenes here are the celts. Everyone else came here from somewhere including the Anglo-Saxons .

Yes,it's my country too. I ve earned the right to call it that and demand all the privileges that affords me with audacity. Anyone who tries to say otherwise and deprive me of those privileges ll meet me in court.

Don't be scared. It's your country too. Noone can act otherwise .

Just in passing: you weren't among the people saying Yoruba Ronu during the last election ,were you? because that was bs too