Goodenoch:
I think the new spiel about people piling on Zahra is absurd because as far as I can see the responses have been focused on their arguments and not personal in nature for the most part.

Last time I'll comment on this as I, and I'm sure everyone else is tired of hearing Zahra this, Zahra that.

It may not have been personal from you, but it definitely was for some. I don't mind a call out. Agentxxx and Raalsalghul called me out and I took their comments on board. My comments may be direct at times but they're never intended to be hurtful or offensive, so Ill readily apologise if it comes across as such.

However there's a big difference between calling me out on the timing and tone of my posts and falsely accusing me of supporting the rioters and being happy about the attacks against fellow BAME, especially blacks, and mocking the protests because you do not like me and my views. That is malicious and personal.

Goodenoch:


She has apologised and said she acted on 'false and malicious information' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1jll3eg33wo
That's what every one of them says and to be fair it's likely true.

The biggest lesson I've learned from these riots is that the rhetoric around migration is often more important than the reality. It has been humbling for me because I see now that many of my previous positions were utterly wrong. I used to think I cared little about what nonsense the latest politician wanting to make their right-wing bones said as long as I was continuing to do great work and thrive in the country (for which I appreciate the country), but it's clear now that all that talk didn't end at the microphones, and it has now empowered ignoramuses to take up knives, acid, blocks etc to attack people like me at random.

The conservatives might have liberalized many migration routes, but their rhetoric around it was constantly villifying immigrants, and that has a much greater impact as we're seeing now.

They had all the opportunity to close down routes or make them stricter and people would simply not have come anymore if it wasn't suitable for them anymore. There's no human rights obligations to have skilled worker routes or lower threshholds for care workers and all the other things they did. They left those routes open because it was beneficial to the country, and would even sponsor British Council events abroad inviting people to come study/work in the country, but would turn arround and somehow find a way to link everything that went wrong under them to immigrants, legal or otherwise.

You have won my respect and am more humbled reading this. I recently visited a Caribbean country, and my views on many things too started changing. All I have learned in all of this is about humanity, if you fight humanity whether you're far right or far left humanity will fight back and resist you. Cheers

Gerrard59:

I can see I have been identified as a troublemaker on this thread. But this post got my interest.

There is a difference between being British and English. You can be a British citizen, but it does not make you English. Ethnicity and nationality are two different concepts. Aside from African Americans because their case is different, it is always black people in the diaspora I see trying to dissociate themselves from where they originally come from based on their passports. We know why.
Chinese in the West are always quick to point out they are from Mainland China and here in Japan, they tell you they are ethnically Chinese even though they possess Japanese nationality and speak fluent Japanese.

If na our people, you for don hear say I am Japanese. But do you look Japanese?

Also in all of this happening, the agitators has never mention Chinese as immigrants they want to leave their country. It’s the usual brown and black skin countries they keep mentioning.

Meanwhile the Chinese arguably own more houses and investments in this country than any other ethnicity yet, they don’t scream we want our country back from them.

The reflection of your ethnicity is how people will treat you in the diaspora. Chinese advancement in technology has given respect to their citizen wherever they go.

If we don’t come together and make Africa great, thinking because we own ILR… one day they will ask you where you are really from?

Do you see a lot of Chinese struggling to pay for COS?
They mostly come here to school in top schools and go back to their country. Except, recently when UK allowed a lot of people from Hong Kong to come into the Uk. Therefore,to a racist, Chinese are no threats. They are also
hardly on the news for committing crime.

When it comes to Cybersecurity, the British intelligence see them as threats.

lavida001:


Also in all of this happening, the agitators has never mention Chinese as immigrants they want to leave their country. It’s the usual brown and black skin countries they keep mentioning.

Meanwhile the Chinese arguably own more houses and investments in this country than any other ethnicity yet, they don’t scream we want our country back from them.

The reflection of your ethnicity is how people will treat you in the diaspora. Chinese advancement in technology has given respect to their citizen wherever they go.

If we don’t come together and make Africa great, thinking because we own ILR… one day they will ask you where you are really from?

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Asking for a friend
Many thanks.

lavida001:


Also in all of this happening, the agitators has never mention Chinese as immigrants they want to leave their country. It’s the usual brown and black skin countries they keep mentioning.

Meanwhile the Chinese arguably own more houses and investments in this country than any other ethnicity yet, they don’t scream we want our country back from them.

The reflection of your ethnicity is how people will treat you in the diaspora. Chinese advancement in technology has given respect to their citizen wherever they go.If we don’t come together and make Africa great, thinking because we own ILR… one day they will ask you where you are really from?

That is the solution. Nothing else. Remi Adekoya wrote a book on this. Even before I came across his works, I did a thread on it: https://www.nairaland.com/5886610/racism-against-blacks-reduce-drastically

Me, I have been thinking about it lately after I visited a shopping mall. Fine, families were having a splendid time and everywhere was safe. But the environment was markedly odd for me as I was the only black person there. I then imagine what it would look like for black children. It reminded me of the video I watched where a black young lady (born and bred in Japan) had to assist a random black teen wandering about in Tokyo Disneyland looking for who to play with, but no one because clearly no one looked like him. Me sef con dey pity the boy. It is no wonder that black people in the UK mostly live in England and a whooping proportion in Greater London. Even in the US, black people are migrating to the Southern states where they have significant numbers from the northern states. Even black women there acknowledge their relationship and marital chances are remarkably low in states like California. Apparently, humans are tribal. Heaven knows should I marry a black woman, I would move back to a black dominated society. E get some kind nonsense I no dey like.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/riots-labour-councillor-suspended-cut-throats

This shows some far left can be very violent too. This councillor is not different from the Tory councillors wife. He too should be arrested for inciting violence.

dupyshoo:
https://www.gbnews.com/news/riots-labour-councillor-suspended-cut-throats

This shows some far left can be very violent too. This councillor is not different from the Tory councillors wife. He too should be arrested for inciting violence.

Pretty sure he will be arrested before the end of today, he should be treated the same way those thugs are treated.

dupyshoo:
Do you see a lot of Chinese struggling to pay for COS?
They mostly come here to school in top schools and go back to their country. Except, recently when UK allowed a lot of people from Hong Kong to come into the Uk. Therefore,to a racist, Chinese are no threats. They are also
hardly on the news for committing crime.

When it comes to Cybersecurity, the British intelligence see them as threats.

So true. I read that the Chinese were one of the key reasons the PSW route was retained in its original form. Durham university, LSE and some other red bricks that attract a large number of Chinese students heavily lobbied the govt on the basis that the graduate route was important to their Chinese students, many of whom want to gain some UK work experience before going home.

I had a young Chinese postgraduate in my team. She did her masters in Imperial I believe. Really smart and hardworking. The company had sponsored her visa fees fully including IHS, legal fees etc. She recently announced that she was leaving, barely 2 years into her visa. She said she missed home and her parents wanted her to come back, plus she had other opportunities waiting for her.. . She was even offered a nice package to entice her to stay, but she still said adiós. For a lot of them the UK is merely a stepping stone/rite of passage to bigger and better back at home.

lavida001:


I laugh at your own country. This are the things you lots say that pisses them off. You get British passport doesn’t make it your country. We all know who the natives are, you are just a British passport holder the indigenes know themselves.

It does 110% natives or not. Surely indigenes know themselves but they share equal right with black/ Asian British passport holder.

Sadiq Khan, has been the mayor of London since 9 May 2016. to be re -elected over and over again shows that those with your view are in the minority

What this racist thugs are doing is not different from what some tribes in Nigeria are doing during this #EndBadGovernance, many used the opportunity to call for Igbos to leave Lagos, even before this protest Igbos have faced harsh treatment in Lagos in particular, norther part is another story completely.

The ones I attended uni did not even apply for psw. The left for China immediately after their courses. Their parents own manufacturing coys in China and were waiting for them to get foreign certificate and put them as head of the coys.

While Nigerians and Indians were struggling to get COS, they just did not care as they had no intention of staying back.

They came with top electronics gadgets and phones and were very rich.

TBH, these are just top 5-10% of their population, which translates to millions of them. A lot of their population cannot afford to leave China.

Zahra29:


So true. I read that the Chinese were one of the key reasons the PSW route was retained in its original form. Durham university, LSE and some other red bricks that attract a large number of Chinese students heavily lobbied the govt on the basis that the graduate route was important to their Chinese students, many of whom want to gain some UK work experience before going home.

I had a young Chinese postgraduate in my team. She did her masters in Imperial I believe. Really smart and hardworking. The company had sponsored her visa fees fully including IHS, legal fees etc. She recently announced that she was leaving, barely 2 years into her visa. She said she missed home and her parents wanted her to come back, plus she had other opportunities waiting for her.. . She was even offered a nice package to entice her to stay, but she still said adiós. For a lot of them the UK is merely a stepping stone/rite of passage to bigger and better back at home.

I hope he does.

justwise:


Pretty sure he will be arrested before the end of today, he should be treated the same way those thugs are treated.

dupyshoo:
I hope he does.

Done.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8497l7dx8t

Phew.
That was quite a kerfuffle. Obviously everyone on this thread has had their Weetabix.
Let's now return to normal scheduled programming ....

dupyshoo:
https://www.gbnews.com/news/riots-labour-councillor-suspended-cut-throats

This shows some far left can be very violent too. This councillor is not different from the Tory councillors wife. He too should be arrested for inciting violence.

💯

Zahra29:


It was actually online rumours that the killer was an asylum seeker that sparked the initial protests, but nevertheless...

I agree.

The UK is such a terrible, racist place.

1 million immigrants a year is far too small. They need to stop moaning and as reparations for colonisation, they ought to throw open the borders and welcome everyone who wants to come - via air, sea and land. No checks or controls should be necessary as all immigrants are good, honest and a positive contribution.

Na wa oo. I'm surprised you justify the entire riots thing. I'm even more surprised that you're a black person. Stay safe sha, those guys no go check your passport before them abuse you.

That's good. All extremist should be dealt with.

justwise:


Done.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8497l7dx8t

Phew.... alot has happened

Gerrard59:

That is the solution. Nothing else. Remi Adekoya wrote a book on this. Even before I came across his works, I did a thread on it: https://www.nairaland.com/5886610/racism-against-blacks-reduce-drastically

Me, I have been thinking about it lately after I visited a shopping mall. Fine, families were having a splendid time and everywhere was safe. But the environment was markedly odd for me as I was the only black person there. I then imagine what it would look like for black children. It reminded me of the video I watched where a black young lady (born and bred in Japan) had to assist a random black teen wandering about in Tokyo Disneyland looking for who to play with, but no one because clearly no one looked like him. Me sef con dey pity the boy. It is no wonder that black people in the UK mostly live in England and a whooping proportion in Greater London. Even in the US, black people are migrating to the Southern states where they have significant numbers from the northern states. Even black women there acknowledge their relationship and marital chances are remarkably low in states like California. Apparently, humans are tribal. Heaven knows should I marry a black woman, I would move back to a black dominated society. E get some kind nonsense I no dey like.

Do you mean second wife? It's surprising to hear you not married though. I thought you were close to Lexus' level. Maybe it's just me though...

Gerrard59:

It is controlled with certain restrictions such as a bachelor's degree being mandatory if the person will eventually attain permanent residence and naturalisation. Immigrants from mostly Southeast Asia are favoured over those from South Asia, especially the usual suspects in the picture I posted. Another point to state: all cultures are not equal. Then, the law authorities don't care who you are, where you come from, your skin colour or what God you worship. If an immigrant commits a crime in Japan, the person is dealt with the visa cancelled and the person gets deported and banned from entering the country. If the person is a permanent resident and the crime is heinous, it gets revoked. There is a reason Japan is safer than anywhere in the Western world. That is the aspect of law enforcement I mentioned which Ndi lovey-dovey liberal parties across the Western world even to Chile cannot tackle. I have never seen a group of people who adore criminals.

Tufiakwa!

In my books, criminals should be thoroughly, ruthlessly, brutally and mercilessly dealt with regardless of who they are or how they look. If they have ILR, revoke it and deport them back to their native countries. If they are second-generation immigrants, do the same thing, lock them up and throw the keys into the English Channel. I don't know why the death penalty is frowned upon sef. The narrative is clear: don't forgive or pamper criminals. Deal with them! If I ever become a politician, obviously in my dominant environment, I will copy ALL of Lee Kuan Yew's policies to the end. I cherish safety and want the same for the inhabitants of my community. So, if as a non-native, you cannot behave accordingly, I will deal with you, no ifs or buts!

I usually don't repost full length posts but had to do it as reading thru your post, I wonder how you see the world. You exhibit exceptional ....

Japan is not the crux here but to be clear, the gdp per capita (attached) is today less that what it was 30yrs ago. Their political class now visit other nations seeking migrants. They have over recent years changed many laws, ramped up their intake of migrants, granting permanent residence to certain groups after only a year instead of three- not because they want to but because they have no choice.

I struggle to comprehend your second paragraph. When you look in the mirror what do you see? A slave? So if Rishi, Kemi, AJ or Saka commits a crime, they should be deported to India/Nigeria? How about Boris Johnson? Turkey perhaps. How many generations do we go back?
My issue is not you seeing yourself as an afterthought but trying to reflect that on every black person. I have said it multiple times here that the only reason I had the opportunity to come to the UK was because I was needed. If just 0.5% of people on longterm sick could do my job, I wouldn't be here.
Make no mistake, if today you and your kids decide to be slaves in the UK, the difference between now and 400 years ago is that your rulers would include fellow blacks who have a different mindset. I do not need the permission of every British person to become a Brit in thesame way British people didn't ask permission to become Americans.

directonpc:


Na wa oo. I'm surprised you justify the entire riots thing. I'm even more surprised that you're a black person. Stay safe sha, those guys no go check your passport before them abuse you.

I will do, ta very much.

I hope you and your loved ones are staying safe too.

Treadway:
Omo, me I can believe I'm rooting for them o...

Like Paul Mooney once said, who dem for root for if no be dem? After slaving for over 400 years pushing through adversity, and literally building the country with their hands, blood and sweat, I'm supposed to not give them preference over Tunde from Nigeria or Juan from Mexico wey wan come chop food wey don done wey dem no follow cook.

Same way I don't support xenophobia, but I can understand the anger of SA towards other Africans notably Nigeria. They (South Africans) didn't run anywhere, they stayed and fought for their country, died in swathes for it. Food come done, peace come come, Chinedu wan come enjoy the calm and goodies of the country, or some other African, that didn't partake in the sacrifice...Nija own go come still dey loud, boastful and proud join. Una come say make pushback no dey. How na. One naija geh with prominent Igbo and Yoruba name wan be Miss SA! Imagine! Like say one geh with SA roots and a name like Nthamelo can come and be Miss Nigeria.

How do some of us think. Is it neo-colonialism or just plain cowardice? What section of human history do you have the faintest knowledge of?

You remind me of a coward I knew back home who kept telling me how people from his part don't come to my part. I told him we don't think alike. That if a language competition is organised in his village, despite the fact I don't speak his language, I can decide to participate in that competition and best him. It is not my fault, it is the way I think. The world does not belong to cowards. The first property I bought in Nigeria was in a northern state I grew up in- same state I had seen loads of people being killed in my very before. People were grovelling. Told them my thinking is simple- it makes economic sense, I but it.
That is why today, despite doing respectably well in the UK, I'm set on giving myself and kids the right to be Nigerians, Brits, Canadians or Americans. Anyone we deem fit, we use.

justwise:


You sarcastically saying the quiet part out loud, if Axel Rudakubana was a 17 years old white boy do you think the protest will happen?

The UK should be the last country on planet earth to moan about immigration, the UK approximately colonized 105 countries, killed, displaced and looted as they go.

Thank you for this, I find it soul destroying when I see black folks take a guilty look when migration is discussed. Despite the fact that a miniscule number of Africans have ever left their abode, it's somehow made out that moving around is a privilege to us but a right to others

Like I said previously, the more I know about human history, the more unapologetic I become about migration. Reminds me of a chat I had with a white British folk at my workplace. Chap was trying to insinuate a grand plan to get people from Africa into the US. (I.e illegal migration). I told him that being British, he should more than everyone else know migration is as old as man. You don't like my presence, too bad, I don't care.

To Gerard who talked about deporting 2nd gen... like I asked, how far back do we go? Should Australia/U.S or Cad start deporting White folks back to Europe?

lavida001:


Welcome back from sabbatical leave.

For a short while

LionInZion:


Yes, just like yesterday. I remember how some even reminded us how things were worse during Windrush, so why were we being irrational with our complaints? A lot of false rhetorics with derogatory words in media then, and when you complained here, the defenders of the system would twist and bend the narrative to suit themselves. Unfortunately, it is still the same old story in Ray charles' voice.

We all gon learn, one way or the other

Divasnubz:
Hi everyone,

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Thank you for reading and for any support you can offer, whether it's donating or sharing this message. It means more than words can express.

Sorry to hear about this situation. A year's wait is really heart wrecking. Like the saying goes; wetin dey for Sokoto, e dey for shokoto. Have you considered Nigeria? With £500 egg go full everywhere, you can then return to UK to continue life.

To be fair, I don't think the person was consciously justifying the riot. It was a logical perspective but just with bad timing and place

directonpc:


Na wa oo. I'm surprised you justify the entire riots thing. I'm even more surprised that you're a black person. Stay safe sha, those guys no go check your passport before them abuse you.

Kudos to Keir Starmer. Another reason why I decided to adopt this nation as another home. 72hrs from event to sentencing... Next!

Just look at rifrafs causing mayhem. The profile of a few I went thru had one thing in common- economically inactive louts. Most of the immigrants they are attacking contribute more to this society than many of them combined.

They are free to vote Farage next time, afterall, he said it was an election of migration and minions repeated it. Nice migration to prison.
@missjekyll, kudos to Labour. For this alone, Kier has earned my support for a sensible tax rise. I go happily pay. I have no problem paying extra to feed these lot in prison.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm23y7l01v8o

LaXxOnebody:
Welcome back!

Howfar with the job search?

Bossman, job search dey

Between Jan and April, did about 12 interviews, finally got 2 jobs before graduation..

I rest my case

Exactly. History should be a required subject for everyone up to college level

jedisco:


Thank you for this, I find it soul destroying when I see black folks take a guilty look when migration is discussed. Despite the fact that a miniscule number of Africans have ever left their abode, it's somehow made out that moving around is a privilege to us but a right to others

Like I said previously, the more I know about human history, the more unapologetic I become about migration. Reminds me of a chat I had with a white British folk at my workplace. Chap was trying to insinuate a grand plan to get people from Africa into the US. (I.e illegal migration). I told him that being British, he should more than everyone else know migration is as old as man. You don't like my presence, too bad, I don't care.

To Gerard who talked about deporting 2nd gen... like I asked, how far back do we go. Should Australia/U.S or Cad start deporting White folks back to Europe?

Goke7:


I remember warning then that when it comes to immigration policies, there was no segmentation and that everyone was placed inside the same bucket whether you came via boat, plane, or through the forest. Good to hear from you again hustla, keep safe dear!

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Thank you very much for stating this fact.
A lot of people trying to jump on her do not want to understand that she expresses her sincere opinion without sentiments and "expected" emotions.

Hkana:
I don't like how the thread has suddenly taken a Everyone else-against-Zahra turn. She's expressed her opinions which she's entitled to and everyone else is as well entitled to theirs.
But the way it now seems as if everyone else is trying to have a go at her isn't right. With the tone of the messages, you guys would inflict bodily harm if she was close.

The fact that she's taking all the heat as they come shouldn't stop you guys from taking a pause. She has not said the far right guys are right. She's been a really helpful member of this community and if everyone else gangs up against her for daring to hold a different view to the popular sentiments here then we'd not be any different from these far righters.

It's scary out there, yes. I was paranoid walking back home from the mosque tonight but that shouldn't be enough reason to vent on some poor lady who's as much a victim as the rest of us.