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Do We Really Have Freewill? by Lexzokomo: 4:45pm On Aug 16 |
Hi guys good day, trust we are all good? Just some questions that has been bothering me over the years... 1) If truly we were given freewill why then will God punish us for our choices e.g if we don't go his way? 2)If Jesus is God why then must he have to die for our sins when he can just wave it? 3)If God really loves us why then will some people have to go to hell and others heaven when he can bring us all together as one just like in the beginning? There are other questions but let me stop on this two. Note: I believe and trust in God and will do my best to serve him but I just had to let this questions out because they keep bothering me. Thanks as I await your responses |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by advanceDNA: 5:36pm On Aug 16 |
Lexzokomo:wait...are u trying to be funny with this question.....?? Are u not free to go and rob the bank or kill somebody.??.. What do you now mean by u don't want to suffer the consequences for your own actions... Let me give u a shocker: God doesn't punish you for anything in this cosmos.......ur sins technically doesn't affect God in anyway....job 35:6-16....ur sins affect your fellow man...u chose ur punishment on your own..... Infact you chose to come to this world on your own.. u have just forgotten that memory around age 6months or there abouts... Lexzokomo:This question again....?? My opinion is .... I don't think it can just be waived away.... Sin and retribution is one of the principles of this cosmos...like light-dark, seed time-harvest, cold-heat, death-birth.... It is what it is... Scriptural answer: one man sinned on behalf of many......., one man also paid the price of retribution on behalf of many...... But a man born into sin cannot pay ..so the only one without sin be came flesh to pay.. Lexzokomo:Okay....When u reject light...u automatically chose darkness...even without consciously doing so. .u can try it when u get home.. switch of the light and darkness wont ask for your permission before materializing..... So I read somewhere that hell isn't a place God throws you....u just chose it by free will... |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by Lexzokomo: 6:57pm On Aug 16 |
advanceDNA: Thank you for your response advanceDNA I really appreciate but I want to let you know I am not trying to sound funny as the question may seem but I can bet you I am not the only one pondering on this, you said we have freewill fine, and your definition of freewill is someone to break the law if he/she does not want to serve God, I say a no to that because from my aspect of freewill you have the choice to do what ever you want and not basically robbing a bank or killing someone as you point out, now I am asking if out of the many choices one has he/she just decides not to serve God nor serve the Devil why is that punishable? advanceDNA: And the one man that came to pay for the price was who? GOD and not any ordinary person, how can God kill himself for the sake of remission of sin? I mean why will God allow ordinary humans to kill him in other to wave sin which he can do without blood? advanceDNA: Well I still stand to the fact that if God is all loving he can wave all what is happening and bring us to serve him as one, he is GOD, he can say no more sin and there won't be sin, hope you get my point? |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by Lexzokomo: 6:59pm On Aug 16 |
Sorry I don't know how to do the quote thing so you have to read in-between the text, thanks |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by Lexzokomo: 7:15pm On Aug 16 |
Lexzokomo:I have gotten a way around it |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by Kobojunkie: 7:50pm On Aug 16 |
Lexzokomo:Do you realize that none of the ideas you express have anything to do with the God of Israel or His Son Jesus Christ? Religion, not God, is responsible for the confusion you have in these things. Your idea of God and sin comes from the theories of your gods of men, your religious gods, and not from the God of Israel or Jesus Christ. As long as you don't even realize this, you will remain confused about them. You are best stripping yourself of religion entirely so you can be free. |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by advanceDNA: 7:56pm On Aug 16 |
Lexzokomo:Lol....U are talking like child... u want to eat your cake and still have it.... . u have free to do wteva u like......then consequences is what u cannot avoid....havent u heard the saying??....if you dont prepare to succeed....u have automatically prepared to fail...your free will is a principle of action and reaction too If u dont have free will..like if u are a zombie or a programmed robot...it is then u can make this claim u are claiming now that u should not face any consequences because u ddnt act on ur will but u were controlled to act Lexzokomo: It is my opinion that Sin and retribution cannot be waived....they are one of the standard principles of this cosmos... just like life and death, light and darkness, etc... .. if he came to pay a price tru shedding of his blood, why are you still asking why he allowed himself to be killed....?? Is that not the reason he came as flesh in the first place...?? U want him to kill himself to shed his blood?? Lexzokomo:Lol..u are putting God in ur own immigimary box of wishes by saying hes all loving so he must do this or that....u talk like a child.....like i said the principle of free will makes consequences unavoidable...u are not a robot |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by Michael547(m): 8:37pm On Aug 16 |
Lexzokomo:Interesting questions you have here.....you can contact me on the number on my signature below for us to discuss about these questions. |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by Lexzokomo: 10:40am On Aug 17 |
advanceDNA:Thank you for your contribution I really appreciate your effort Kobojunkie:Thank you sir🙏 Michael547:I think I am fine with the little I have gotten, I appreciate 🙏 |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by Zaheertyler(m): 11:19am On Aug 17 |
Freewill is a scam |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:52pm On Aug 17 |
Lexzokomo: FREE WILL is within: whatever you love to eat as long as you're not poisoning yourself. whatever you love to where as long as you're not going to die of cold or heat. wherever you love to live as long as you're safe. whoever you love to marry as long as you'll cherish the relationship. But when you're crossing the boundaries to relate with your neighbor there is no more FREEDOM because you have to respect the other person's wish. Mark 12:3 |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by Everyday247: 3:16pm On Aug 17 |
MaxInDHouse:A PROUD SLAVE talking about freewill? Joke of the century. You are an unemotional bot, that will let your cult tell you whether you can grow a beard or not. You defend pedophiles ( you are a pedophile yourself) even when they are caught red handed by calling it discipline. How can someone discipline a child by raping them? MaxInDHouse:FREEWILL, is something a SLAVE like you should never talk about!!
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Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:38pm On Aug 17 |
Everyday247: Your pains just started because nobody will give you a dime on this forum again after speaking against their beliefs so go and find a job to do no more BEGGING on Nairaland: Everyday247: Everyday247: Everyday247: Everyday247: Everyday247: Everyday247: Everyday247: So i'm not the cause of your misery you spoiled your own business all by yourself! |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by Everyday247: 3:50pm On Aug 17 |
MaxInDHouse:DISGUSTING PEDOPHILE you see child rape as discipline, is this what you consider important right now? 👇👇👇 MaxInDHouse:
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Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:54pm On Aug 17 |
Everyday247: Your pains just started because nobody will give you a dime on this forum again after speaking against their beliefs so go and find a job to do no more BEGGING on Nairaland: Everyday247: Everyday247: Everyday247: Everyday247: Everyday247: Everyday247: Everyday247: So i'm not the cause of your misery you spoiled your own business all by yourself! |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by Everyday247: 4:00pm On Aug 17 |
MaxInDHouse:DISGUSTING PEDOPHILE you see child rape as discipline. 👇👇👇 MaxInDHouse:
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Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by Tellmeastory: 9:16pm On Aug 17 |
Lexzokomo: The bible is full of lies. That is why you feel the urge to ask these pertinent spiritual questions. 1) God does not 'punish' humans for anything they did or didn't do. Those who have had near-death experiences say that when you reach the other side, you have an expanded awareness. You regain your REAL self as a powerful, highly knowledgable, super-intelligent soul being. YOU are then shown your actions in your just-concluded human life, on a kind of fast-moving screen you are able to absorb instantly, and it is YOU that ''judges'' yourself from your state of expanded awareness - your REAL personality or Higher Self. If you committed evil in your lifetime on Earth, you will emotionally feel the impact of that evil on everyone it affected, even those you know nothing about. It is said to be a very powerful, humbling experience. Even worse than a physical hellfire in the most extreme cases, according to some experiencers. Many decide to return - reincarnate - to make amends, and learn spiritual lessons or teach etc... So 'HELL' or the 'PUNISHMENT' is really just your HIGHER SELF coming to terms with its evil actions as a human in the lower Earth astral. 2) There was nobody named 'Jesus Christ' who was the 'Son of God'. It's a complete fabrication from start to finish, and absolutely no evidence whatsoever proves the historical existence of this character. What we DO know is that the Romans copied and pasted unto christianity a LOT of religious tales from civilisations that came before them, especially KEMET (Ancient Egypt), which was a black African nation in antiquity. HERU (known to the Greeks as Horus) was the KEMETIAN Son of God, and his mother's name was ISIS-MERI. Heru also had disciples, walked on water, performed miracles, raised the dead etc etc. This AFRICAN religious story is 2,000 years older than christianity, and was clearly copied by the Roman elite when they set about inventing a new religion and fabricated ''saviour'', for the purposes of dominating other peoples. The Goddess Isis cradling Horus 2,000 years before ''Mary'' cradled ''Jesus''. 3) Everyone eventually ends up in Heaven. Heaven is our real home, not Earth. You actually have friends and family there waiting to welcome you back when your time on Earth is up. |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by StillDtruth: 7:42am On Aug 18 |
Lexzokomo: You see the word "given". It tells you everything and proof of God and all for we are creations like our mannequins. We are just God's living mannequins. So, like our mannequins are freedom is only as far as we have been "given". Eg many would like to freely fly like a bird to America and anywhere they like, but the freedom we have been given is to go as our legs, which we have been given can carry us. So, the freedom and freewill we have is to the limits we have been given since we did not create ourselves, exactly how our mannequins, phones, cars did not create themselves. And since we are creations then therefore we are under The Law of our Maker and we are free ONLY to the extent He has given eg we are free to walk on land but certainly not to walk in the sea (some people for don dey waka go America through the ocean ) And therefore, since we are under Law and bound to whatever consequences God, our Ruler.and Maker may dictate exactly how it is The Law, if you exercise your choice of walking into the ocean you must die. |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by StillDtruth: 7:58am On Aug 18 |
Tellmeastory: See Satan disciple don come with e madness and lies. Is the bible and Isreal catholic? Do you not even see Rome has its own bible with its extra books of lies? |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by StillDtruth: 8:03am On Aug 18 |
Lexzokomo: Did you.not hear that God honours His Word (Law)? Plus, is it not God's Right to use any method He wants to use ro save what He loves? |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by StillDtruth: 8:09am On Aug 18 |
Lexzokomo: So, people like Bola Tinubu, Buhari, madriisky and co will have done all their evils and abominations and not be punishec as The Law Said? Guy, better repent or get ready to go to hellfire with them. |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by LordReed(m): 9:14am On Aug 18 |
Lexzokomo: Can you define what freewill is? |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by sonmvayina(m): 11:39am On Aug 20 |
Lexzokomo:1. God gave us freedom of choice. That is the best part of being human. Spirits don't enjoy that luxury. They do what God has programmed them to do.. Nobody is punishing you for making a wrong choice. That is an invention of the Roman Catholic Church to make human governable. Not part of God's plan. You make mistakes and don't finish your mission, you come back again and continue. It's all a game 2. Jesus is not God, he is an invention of the Roman Mafia to deceive people just as the prophet Daniel prophesied. God already provided a solution to the problem of sin. See 2nd chronicles 7:14 3. Heaven and hell are both creations of the Roman empire to control people's mind. The kingdom of God is within you. If God wanted you to be in a heaven he would have created you there. There is no point for this earthly experiment a result of which he knows (he is omniscient). Learn God's laws and obey it. That is only what he demands of us. Read the whole of Psalm 119. It is a long love poem about God's laws. |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by GoodJohn: 7:21pm On Aug 24 |
This piece offers a balanced perspective |
Re: Do We Really Have Freewill? by Steep(m): 8:12pm On Aug 24 |
Lexzokomo:free will does not mean freedom from repercussions, it simply means freedom to make a choice. 2)If Jesus is God why then must he have to die for our sins when he can just wave it?It has to do with the character of God. God is holy and just and cannot just wave sin away as that would mean God is unjust, that is against his attribute as God. Jesus had to die because the just price for sin that must be paid without escape is sinless perfection which no ordinary human being can provide. 3)If God really loves us why then will some people have to go to hell and others heaven when he can bring us all together as one just like in the beginning?In as much as God loves us however that does not mean we can escape his justice, because God is perfect nobody can escape his justice except the criteria of atonement is made. Light and darkness must be separated hence we all cannot be brought together, those who choose sin like the devil must be separated from those who God chose to be his own. There are other questions but let me stop on this two.you are welcome. |
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