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Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Stubborn82: 2:45pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
The issues of tithing is generating lots of controversy among the Christians of now adays, while some think it is good to pay tithe, some think otherwise, backing their believe with scriptural references, at the bases of using scriptural references to justify whether tithing is important or not, many Christians are confused and lost, not knowing which to accept or to follow. The truth is that the word of God can not contradict one another, it is the ignorance or selfishness of the people that causes the contradiction. Someone bump into my inbox recently, after I commented on a Facebook post about tithing, this person happened to be the admin of the page, he tried to contradict himself by wanting me to agree with his view about tithing, in fact he sent lots of references upon references pointing to the direction of his view, but what struck me the most, in all his arguments was this question, "why Jesus pay tax and didn't pay tithe?" I did my best by giving him the answer with the wisdom from the scripture. I found out that many Christians are still confused and struggling to understand why Jesus didn't pay tithe but went ahead and pay tax, to understand this better, we need to divide this question into two, and ask ourselves, what is tax and what is tithe, are they the same thing? This person that came into my inbox, cited Matt 17:24-25 to show that Jesus paid tax, but this person made a mistake, because the key to understand mystery is WHY not WHAT, Jesus paid tax, that's WHAT Jesus did, WHY Jesus did that? This is one thing that this person didn't know or probably trying to hide it, then I pointed to the same Matt 17 he cited earlier but this time i asked him to read verse 26 and 27 in order to see the answer to why Jesus paid the tax, initially, it is not Jesus obligation by right to pay tax, but he did that simply to avoid problem with the tax collectors. Why Jesus didn't pay tithe? This is another controversial question and the point of reference for many to generate justification about tithing, it is very important to know that, while tax is to be paid, tithe is to be giving, you don't pay tithe, you give tithe, which ever way, but the question is why Jesus didn't pay or give tithe? Like I said before, that the key to understand mystery is WHY, one good reason that Jesus didn't pay tithe is because neither Jesus nor the apostles works or engaged in profitable business, tithe is only mandatory to income earners or profit enterprise, Jesus didn't come to contradict the word of God, he came to fulfill it, tithe is not mandatory on gift items, tithe is strictly for income earners, you can't expect Jesus to give ten percent of the food someone invited him to eat in his house, same way you can't tell someone to give tithe on a gift items or materials that he or she received from someone, tithe is not mandatory on gift items but only on profit and income earnings. Perhaps somebody can still argue that, tithing is an old testament doctrine or law and it is not applicable to new testament teaching, but the truth is, tithing is not a law or doctrine, tithing is a commandment from God, it is not a church doctrine or religious laws, if they says it is an old testament law and it should be disregarded, then is marriage not also come from old testament, is praying not also come from old testament? Why do you want to abolish tithe and not abolish praying or abolish the commandment of God that says, man shall leave his parents and cleave to his wife and the two shall become one flesh? Tithe is a commandment just like marriage commandment, it is not limited to any religion, whether Christian, Islam, Judaism or induism. Tithe is a commandments to whoever seek after God, regardless of religious affiliation. Thanks for taking your time to read this epistle, next Sunday I will conclude on this series of tithing, the benefits of tithing and Why we need to engage in tithing regardless of our religious affiliation. 2 Likes
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Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:49pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Stubborn82: Did you see Him earn that He should pay tithe? Did you not see that He queried the payment of tax? And it is not a controversy among Christians but among churchgoers and atheists. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Stubborn82: 2:51pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:Read from top to the end sir, you will get the message clear 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Solofresh2: 3:51pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Nobody will force me to pay any tithe I can only give to the needy when I feel like and that is it 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Stubborn82: 3:54pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Solofresh2:Then, thats not tithe, that's charity |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Solofresh2: 3:55pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Stubborn82:Yes ,I believe in charity than tithe 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Stubborn82: 4:00pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Solofresh2:congratulations on that |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Image123(m): 4:21pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
He wrote to you or sent you a tweet that He didn't tithe? |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:25pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Stubborn82: I stand corrected my brother. It is perfect and accurate. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Stubborn82: 4:32pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:Thank you 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Stubborn82: 6:35pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Image123:I guess you don't even read the post, you arejust responding to the topic 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Image123(m): 7:22pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Stubborn82: i skimmed through. You are of the opinion that Jesus didn't give tithes. Like i questioned, the opinion is solely yours. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Stubborn82: 7:27pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Image123:did Jesus give tithe? |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Image123(m): 7:32pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Stubborn82: Did He bathe? |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by xproducer: 10:39pm On Aug 06, 2023 |
Stubborn82: ++++++++ Op, first I commend your attempt to share the good word of GOD! Second, and this is where I take issue... how does anyone know whether the Lord GOD YESHUA, the CHRIST did not paid tithes? Third - the Holy Scriptures should be our guide in seeking answers. In looking at the Holy Scriptures we do see that the Apostles in following the Lord YESHUA appear to have stopped for-profit /commercial work like fishing (Peter), tax collecting (Matthew) once the Lord said to them "follow me"... so you are correct on this point. However, note a few things - non-commercial activity notwithstanding: 1. Were the Temple taxes (מחצית השקל, lit. 'half shekel') paid by Israelites and Levites which went towards the upkeep of the Jewish Temple... not a form of / part of tithing? The tithing today goes (at least in some part) toward the upkeep of church buildings, etc. Well, the Lord YESHUA paid these taxes! Peter and His Master Pay Their Taxes - Matthew 17:24-27 24 When they had come to Capernaum, those who received the temple tax came to Peter and said, “Does your Teacher not pay the temple tax?” 25 He said, “Yes.” And when he had come into the house, Jesus anticipated him, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes, from their sons or from strangers?” 26 Peter said to Him, “From strangers.” Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are free. 27 Nevertheless, lest we offend them, go to the sea, cast in a hook, and take the fish that comes up first. And when you have opened its mouth, you will find a piece of money; take that and give it to them for Me and you.” 2. Despite not being engaged in commercial activity, the Lord YESHUA still had money to pay taxes and tithes/alms by giving the money to the poor! "But no one at the table knew for what reason He said this to him. For some thought, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus had said to him, “Buy those things we need for the feast,” or that he should give something to the poor." - John 13:28-29... meaning that it wasn't unusual for the Lord to give money to the poor (in addition to miraculously feeding thousands, healing them and saving their souls). 3. The Lord reprimanded the scribes and Pharisees for paying tithes but then failing to do the things that matter more! Matthew 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone." The point here is that the Lord in doing so, would not HIMSELF fail to do the right thing/s (i.e. pay tithes and attend to things that matter more). The Lord would do both as the Lord is perfect and keeps HIS own laws! Matthew 5:20 "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." 4. To support point number 3 above... The Lord YESHUA, Who gave the law/s - including tithing, always kept and keeps the laws Himself... like when HE was with John the Baptist in Jordan: "Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?” But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him." - Matthew 3:13-15 Conclusion... the Lord YESHUA apparently paid tithes, in addition to giving HIMSELF in HIS entirety, all the way to giving HIS life on the cross to ransom many of HIS sheep. (John 15:13) Like the Savior, we fulfill righteousness when we submit to the ordinances and covenants of the everlasting gospel. We do what the Lord YESHUA does... pay tithes and then give all of yourself that you possibly can for the Kingdom of GOD, by GOD's grace and in the strength of the Almighty HOLY SPIRIT! |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by MomohMrMoore: 2:27pm On May 02 |
You are a deceiver. Your arguments are illogical. Is tax paid on gift? Jesus paid Tax and encouraged his disciples to pay tax. The tax Jesus paid, was it from giifts? Tax and Tithe are both from earnings. If he could pay tax despite not working or earning, he could have paid tithe too. Jesus didnt pay tithe cos it is FRAUD. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by RightChannel: 3:55pm On May 02 |
TAX is different from TITHES, don't confused the two as the same |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by honeyB2018: 9:07pm On Aug 19 |
Stubborn82: Thanks. Quite insightful and I will borrow your word. You have armed me to fight this tithe war. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by honeyB2018: 9:10pm On Aug 19 |
Solofresh2: God will judge you for not tithing. You will be under a curse. Don't allow Abel Damina to deceive you. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by MightySparrow: 10:21pm On Aug 19 |
Stubborn82: How can anyone prove that Jesus didn't pay tithe at anytime? He never condemned tithing and offerings anywhere. Mark 23:23, Luke 18:12 The tax he paid to Roman government was because Peter was accused by a tax collector. . Luke for instance The error in some teachings is to believe that every day -to - day activity of Jesus was recorded. The gospels were what each writer could glean from the mouths of pekole. Luke for instance, was not among the disciples. He masterly, being an educated person, wrote Luke and Acts. If nobody had asked him divorce, He probably would not have commented on it. The problem of some folks is that they are reading the Bible with closed minds. The actors of Bible days are just normal people and in normal times as we are today. If Jesus were to be here physically in our time, there are questions to ask him too. I believe the problem of people is greed. Why is it when they have to give to God that they argue? They never argue about asking from God or a man of God. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Success0007: 9:25pm On Oct 05 |
honeyB2018: If you’re under curse for not tithing, the death of Jesus is useless. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by honeyB2018: 4:09pm On Oct 07 |
Success0007: Please what did Jesus Christ die to set us free from? Kindly read Acts.13:39 And through Him (Jesus Christ) everyone who believes ( Who acknowledges Jesus Christ as his Savior and devoted himself to him) is absolved , ( cleared and freed) from every charge from which he could not be justified and freed by the LAW OF MOSES.,and given a right standing with God. Is tithing part of the law of Moses? The person who said if you don't pay, you are cursed with a curse, doesn't know what he was saying? Remember, bible said Jesus has redeemed us from the curse of the law. The curse on tithing,is it part of the curse of the law? Whatever the law didn't establish,it can't abrogate. Take note of this |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by MightySparrow: 6:36am On Oct 08 |
Stubborn82: Good point. The gospels did not record day to day activities of Jesus. We ate not even sure if He paid tithes or not. Only Matthew recorded Jesus and tithing in the Gospels. Jesus was not recorded to have given offerings either but made a comment on the widow's mite. If these records are not mentioned, today, some people would be saying giving offerings is wrong. I see greed here. Some people's arguments are illogical. Paul was a tent maker, he fended for himself and had little responsibilities as an unmarried man. Peter was a family man when Jesus called him. He went back to his fishing. Jesus again reached to him and asked him to stop fishing business. The same today, many are genuinely called and have to stop what they were doing. I don't see dons like Adeboye, Kumuyi, medicals like Uma Ukpai, Enenche, Tunde Joda, lawyers like Bakare, Architects like Oyedepo,oyakhilome, engineers like Abioye etc as failures. You see, the works of these people are so enormous. They are really working. Apart from occasional showing up in church and crusades, these people fast like no man's business. Are they really enjoying? So it seems but getting close to them, they are paying very high price. I remember Oyedepo saying, he didn't know much of Lagos. It is easy to criticize. Many of these critics have never been class captains in their life not to talk of leading a church. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:43am On Oct 08 |
Success0007:Under Christianity no one is cursed for tithing because it's not a practice under Christianity! |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Success0007: 12:33pm On Oct 25 |
honeyB2018: Did you read the message I quoted? Or you’re in support of curse for not tithing? And also except tithe how many other law of Moses are you following? Pastors are using tithe to generate money for themselves by manipulating Malachi 3:10. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by freshboi88: 8:39pm On Oct 25 |
Dtruthspeaker: Was he doing carpentry work as charity abi u no get sense |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Captain4Jehovah: 11:59am On Oct 26 |
[b] Stubborn82 =124921350:[/b] The answer to the first point_ tax_is correct. One should understand that it is a levy established by the Roman empire not the God of Israel, the God of the universe. It is not found in the Law of Moses nor God's precepts. I should say it is a form of "isakole" which is forcefully collected from any sacked community, tribe or nation by a military power. In fact, it is "from the kings of the earth". I mean to say the idea came from military powers to show their supremacy over the people conquered.Read Matthew 17:24-27. The second answer soothed me! I must say! Additionally, both Jesus and his disciples became the holy high priest and priests respectively. They served people,they were not served. Compare Jesus washing of his disciples' feet. (John 13:1-17). They were given material things from the people they served mostly from women. Read Luke 8:1-3. In fact, they were like the Levites. Again, it becomes mandatory for incomer earners or profit enterprises (profit entrepreneurs must not EAT their capitals anyway!) because of CIVILIZATION. You say how? Most of us are not into farming like our fathers of old. Anyway, people who are into farming these days can still give the tenth part of the farm produces or convert it to money. I must say here that it is the hearts of people that are problematic. How do they view spiritual things? How do they compare spiritual things with the physical when their personal relationship the living God is faulty? Tithing has both physical and spiritual blessings. I say this in my experience with Jehovah. Again, people should not have the mind of receiving profit from tithing immediately. God pays one back in a way unexpected. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:14pm On Oct 26 |
freshboi88: See insalt don start. If you get sense, when He was doing carpentry the did you see Him preach? |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by freshboi88: 12:42pm On Oct 26 |
Dtruthspeaker: When he was doing the carpentry work provide evidence that he tithe from the money he got ? Who is this sens*less fellow? |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:00pm On Oct 26 |
freshboi88: Fallacy of reversing the burden of proof. Clearly, you get can not answer hence you foolishly resorted to dodging it by reversing the it. Meanwhile, if you had any aton of sense at all you would have seen that the young rich man did all this even at that time whenI Christ Said. Keep the commandments. So, if He could tell the young man to keep the commandments, then common sense would have told you that He did too? And ofcourse if you had sense, you would understand why the politicians had to serious difficulty arresting and prosecuting Him, which is basically because He kept every Law and no infractionthe both past or present could of not be found on Him. But understandably, foolish fellas like you have no sense are ar all, so insult is all that is their stupid heads. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by freshboi88: 2:39pm On Oct 26 |
Dtruthspeaker: Show us the evidence of Jesus paying tithe when he was fully involved in carpentry. You can't you are here typing an epistle. This just goes to show that tithe has fried your brain cells mad dog, son of satan |
Re: Why Did Jesus Pay Tax And Didn't Pay Tithe? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:33pm On Oct 26 |
freshboi88: Your repeating yourself just proves you are a mad foolish demon from Satan having nothing to say but to insult in your stupid attempt to get people to disobey God's Command and die andthe join you to burn in hellfire forever. idiot, trailer go soon match you carry go hellfire soon soon. |
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