raumdeuter:



Why the hypocrisy of focusing on someones personal life as long as it doesnt break the law

That is a question more suited for Republicans who say if you vote Democrat then you are not a Christian. It is more suited for Republicans who claim women are not fit for office because they are too emotional. It is more suited for Republicans who vilify LGBTQ folk who are elected officials simple because of their sexual orientation.

IjeBos:


You don't want to dictate people's traditions but want to dictate what they do with their bodies?
You are all over the place.

Who wants to dictate what they do with their body? Seems you have a major issue with understanding

They should decide in their states and whatever they decide is good

ObaIgwe1:


You can ignore the messenger and just focus on the message or issues, good luck!. Permit me to also have the freedom to check the messenger (personality) before the message, it's all within our rights.

On the bold, you are the one being hypocritical or choosing to be blinded about it. Trump broke many laws, that is why he is now a felon - Fact and Period.

You have focused on everything in his personal life, from how he is a womaniser a liar, taking advantage of laws, Can you say you have never done any of these in your personal life? Have you ever lied? Have you ever had interest in more than one woman, Have you ever broken laws?

Just yesterday I was doing 60m/h in a 50m zone when I saw the police in front I slowed down. That's less than 24hrs ago.
I am sure if all my conversations with my friends were recorded, I probably would have discussed something sexual with a friend about a woman.
Now imagine all I would have done as a billionaire where women will flock around me
Who without a sin cast the stone
Like you said you are within your right to judge,

Desist from supporting Trump and Harriss or Netanyahu they are playing a gnostic war with this election

You are only a collateral damage in their war with God

Come out from them, today may be the last chance you got

LordReed:


That is a question more suited for Republicans who say if you vote Democrat then you are not a Christian. It is more suited for Republicans who claim women are not fit for office because they are too emotional. It is more suited for Republicans who vilify LGBTQ folk who are elected officials simple because of their sexual orientation.

Or more like if you vote Trump you ain't Black.

Women aint suited for office? Yet Nikki Haley was Republican governor in Deep South Carolina, A woman is governor in Republican states of Oklahoma, Dakota, Alabama and Iowa

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May the Force be with Tim and the State of Minnesota.

#KamalaHarrisTimWalz


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raumdeuter:


You have focused on everything in his personal life, from how he is a womaniser a liar, taking advantage of laws, Can you say you have never done any of these in your personal life? Have you ever lied? Have you ever had interest in more than one woman, Have you ever broken laws?

Just yesterday I was doing 60m/h in a 50m zone when I saw the police in front I slowed down. That's less than 24hrs ago.
I am sure if all my conversations with my friends were recorded, I probably would have discussed something sexual with a friend about a woman.
Now imagine all I would have done as a billionaire where women will flock around me
Who without a sin cast the stone
Like you said you are within your right to judge,

Keep trivializing Trump's crimes and equating the crime of being fraudulent and attempting to rig election with speeding. Even the law doesn't punish them equally.

For the record I don't do fraud and never a criminal. I have to 2 laws I live with; 1- Love God and 2- Love your neighbor as your self. So the quick test to all my actions has always been, Will God be happy or angry with me? and would I be happy if someone else does what I am about to do to someone to me. I am not a saint nor claim to be perfect, but I believe in decency and the highest office in the world deserves some decency and not a convicted criminal. In my book, character and decency mater.

Good luck, I am tired of this back and forth.

ObaIgwe1:


Keep trivializing Trump's crimes and equating the crime of being fraudulent and attempting to rig election with speeding. Even the law doesn't punish them equally.

For the record I don't do fraud and never a criminal. I have to 2 laws I live with; 1- Love God and 2- Love your neighbor as your self. So the quick test to all my actions has always been, Will God be happy or angry with me? and would I be happy if someone else does what I am about to do to someone to me. I am not a saint nor claim to be perfect, but I believe in decency and the highest office in the world deserves some decency and not a convicted criminal. In my book, character and decency mater.

Good luck, I am tired of this back and forth.

Despite the rulings from the Supreme Court of the US that Trump is immune from prosecution for actions committed as President, even actions that are outside of his “reach” and that “official” evidence should not and are not to be admitted and used against him in a court of law, you’re here spewing thesame hate against an innocent man, thesame hate you claim you don’t want for others.

I don’t believe you. You’re just one of those who are blinded by hate for Trump because of just who he is. You have TDS - like the rest of you lot in this group chat!

Trump made a comment about Josh Shapiro’s speech at the ongoing DNC. He claimed he’s been the best friend the Jews have had in years. It’s the typical Trump style of passing a message across. Straight to the point. No mincing words and telling it as it is.

What happened? Josh went out to sing the “all are welcome songs” no hating people because of their faith and religion - even if they are terrorists (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and all those who want Israel wiped off the face of the earth), murderers, rapists, mentally challenged individuals, paedophiles, child groomers, queer and LGBTQ people - they’re all welcome and free to roam the US. He said Trump is all about hate and divisions, all about what’s best for himself.
But we know how it all ends. We know evil when we see them. We know what God loves.

Most of the failings in the societies in the West today that we are witnessing goes all the way back to when they decided they know better than to believe there is God. The West turned their backs against God. Now He in turn has brought to them the people that will give them what they want - strong delusions, such that they will believe a lie and reap the rewards.

raumdeuter:


Who wants to dictate what they do with their body? Seems you have a major issue with understanding

They should decide in their states and whatever they decide is good

So, you mean you want the states to dictate what they do with their body?

You're exhausting.
Chock full of intellectually dishonestly.
You vacillate from one position to the other sometimes in the same post.
And I'm not even sure you are aware of the inconsistent positions.

Or maybe your motto is dazzle and exhaust them with nonsense.

ono:


Despite the rulings from the Supreme Court of the US that Trump is immune from prosecution for actions committed as President, even actions that are outside of his “reach” and that “official” evidence should not and are not to be admitted and used against him in a court of law, you’re here spewing thesame hate against an innocent man, thesame hate you claim you don’t want for others.

I don’t believe you. You’re just one of those who are blinded by hate for Trump because of just who he is. You have TDS - like the rest of you lot in this group chat!

This post is quite unhinged.

IjeBos:


So, you mean you want the states to dictate what they do with their body?

You're exhausting.
Chock full of intellectually dishonestly.
You vacillate from one position to the other sometimes in the same post.
And I'm not even sure you are aware of the inconsistent positions.

Or maybe your motto is dazzle and exhaust them with nonsense.

How does the state dictate when they send it to their voters to decide instead of having one Trump Oprah Biden dictate what every state needs to do

If you can't understand that's your problem

ObaIgwe1:


Keep trivializing Trump's crimes and equating the crime of being fraudulent and attempting to rig election with speeding. Even the law doesn't punish them equally.

For the record I don't do fraud and never a criminal. I have to 2 laws I live with; 1- Love God and 2- Love your neighbor as your self. So the quick test to all my actions has always been, Will God be happy or angry with me? and would I be happy if someone else does what I am about to do to someone to me. I am not a saint nor claim to be perfect, but I believe in decency and the highest office in the world deserves some decency and not a convicted criminal. In my book, character and decency mater.

Good luck, I am tired of this back and forth.

You have not listed this crimes? If he committed those crimes of election rigging, fraud etc the court will convict and ban him

Your opinion is not law
You a sinner want to exaggerate another person's crime.

Good luck finding God's in men like you who are fallible.

It's just funny that in a country where 50% of marriages end in divorce and another sizable percentage of those not divorced are cheating, one of the crimes of Trump is behaving like majority of adults
Or engaging in locker room talk
I make my own choices based on policies not personality

ono:
Trump made a comment about Josh Shapiro’s speech at the ongoing DNC. He claimed he’s been the best friend the Jews have had in years. It’s the typical Trump style of passing a message across. Straight to the point. No mincing words and telling it as it is.

What happened? Josh went out to sing the “all are welcome songs” no hating people because of their faith and religion - even if they are terrorists (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and all those who want Israel wiped off the face of the earth), murderers, rapists, mentally challenged individuals, paedophiles, child groomers, queer and LGBTQ people - they’re all welcome and free to roam the US. He said Trump is all about hate and divisions, all about what’s best for himself.
But we know how it all ends. We know evil when we see them. We know what God loves.

Most of the failings in the societies in the West today that we are witnessing goes all the way back to when they decided they know better than to believe there is God. The West turned their backs against God. Now He in turn has brought to them the people that will give them what they want - strong delusions, such that they will believe a lie and reap the rewards.

Some of us do know what God loves. Your support of Trump screams that you don't.
You seem blinded by whatever dogma you learned about Chsitianity.
You might want to revisit the Bible esp. the Gospels.

raumdeuter:


How does the state dictate when they send it to their voters to decide instead of having one Trump Oprah Biden dictate what every state needs to do

If you can't understand that's your problem

The failure in understanding seems to be on your end. You aren't even understanding what you are writing and how contradictory it is.
You keep talking about sending it out to their voters to decide but that is not how lawmaking works in any state. The elected legislators would decide, just like on the Federal level. Except in those situations where the voters organized to push a Constitutional Amendment.

You seem very comfortable with people dictating dictating what people do with their bodies as long it's a state majority and not a Federal Majority.

Your logic is broken, convoluted, discordant at at times contradictory.
I can clearly see your logic and all the holes in it. And I wonder why you can't as you keep repeating the same holy arguments.

raumdeuter:


Or more like if you vote Trump you ain't Black.

Women aint suited for office? Yet Nikki Haley was Republican governor in Deep South Carolina, A woman is governor in Republican states of Oklahoma, Dakota, Alabama and Iowa

You could only muster 1 example? I haven't even begin to touch the personal attacks Republicans use in saying a person is not fit for office. Look at Vance saying people women without children should not be in office.

LordReed:


You could only muster 1 example? I haven't even begin to touch the personal attacks Republicans use in saying a person is not fit for office. Look at Vance saying people women without children should not be in office.

Even the Lord God Himself said women should not be allowed to speak in His congregations. Women are not allowed to lead in churches - or even mosques for that matter.

Now this is me o, personally, I dislike it when women lead countries. Yes, some have proven to be good leaders and all, yet, I don’t like it. Not that at this point in the world there’s anything I can do about it anymore. It will take God himself coming down to earth to let humans know his desires - since His words have now been relegated to the background.

And say what you like, I will go with Vance, even though it will be good to know why the woman, Kamala does not have any child (adopted or biologically given birth to) in the first place. Yes, I’m “insensitive” “callous” “mean” etc etc. I don’t care.

IjeBos:


So, you mean you want the states to dictate what they do with their body?

He said, "They (as in, the people in the state), should decide in their states and whatever they decide is good". That, after all, is democracy, as in, we the (majority) people decide. And yes, it is against my body my choice, since the majority should not be deciding for me whether I abort or not. But the majority are not deciding whether I abort or not. At best, they are deciding if I can abort or not in that one particular state.

One might then ask if we the majority should decide if blacks should be slaves or not. The answer technically is yes. I'd even argue the historical answer is yes too, since the more powerful army (and I assume by people and money) abolished slavery in the first place.

But what if an individual state wants to legalise slavery, one might ask. Well, they'd likely be a lone few states, and the rest of us can boycott what they produce so they reconsider or go bankrupt. Thankfully, there's an amendment.

The "state" is not deciding. We the majority in the state are deciding for our state, but if the majority decide against my choice, I can easily say fuq the majority and its state, just as I would if the state says "don't steal" when I want to steal. I can lobby for the law to be changed or break the law or deprive the state of my labour and tax and go steal where stealing is legal.

IjeBos:

You keep talking about sending it out to their voters to decide but that is not how lawmaking works in any state. The elected legislators would decide, just like on the Federal level.

What?! Do the voters not decide who the elected legislators are, so by proxy, the voters do decide?

Do voters in America not decide between dump and Harris, and therefore the Federal laws that are made?

There's a debacle involving a Chinese company and Ogun State where the Chinese company is selling off Nigerian assets. The people of Ogun State haven't realised it yet that they are responsible for electing the stupid legislators who put them in this debacle, but they will when the Nigerian government starts recouping what it lost through the incompetence of the Ogun State legislators that the people elected.

LordReed:


You could only muster 1 example? I haven't even begin to touch the personal attacks Republicans use in saying a person is not fit for office. Look at Vance saying people women without children should not be in office.

Another lie or deliberate mis characterization

Vance was advocating for families and people with children will understand the struggles and not just people who theorize on families without having one

For example I believe no one will have a daughter and advocate that men should share bathrooms with his daughter

budaatum:


He said, "They (as in, the people in the state), should decide in their states and whatever they decide is good". That, after all, is democracy, as in, we the (majority) people decide. And yes, it is against my body my choice, since the majority should not be deciding for me whether I abort or not. But the majority are not deciding whether I abort or not. At best, they are deciding if I can abort or not in that one particular state.

One might then ask if we the majority should decide if blacks should be slaves or not. The answer technically is yes. I'd even argue the historical answer is yes too, since the more powerful army (and I assume by people and money) abolished slavery in the first place.

But what if an individual state wants to legalise slavery, one might ask. Well, they'd likely be a lone few states, and the rest of us can boycott what they produce so they reconsider or go bankrupt. Thankfully, there's an amendment.

The "state" is not deciding. We the majority in the state are deciding for our state, but if the majority decide against my choice, I can easily say fuq the majority and its state, just as I would if the state says "don't steal" when I want to steal. I can lobby for the law to be changed or break the law or deprive the state of my labour and tax and go steal where stealing is legal.

I wish you luck in your quest to educate him

feedthenation:

---JD Vance is truly weird---


https://x.com/i/status/1826674904806424962

He donut make sense.

budaatum:


He said, "They (as in, the people in the state), should decide in their states and whatever they decide is good". That, after all, is democracy, as in, we the (majority) people decide. And yes, it is against my body my choice, since the majority should not be deciding for me whether I abort or not. But the majority are not deciding whether I abort or not. At best, they are deciding if I can abort or not in that one particular state.

This is somewhat convoluted. The majority refers to the majority of the electorate or the majority people making the laws. You are jumping from State to Federal in an odd way.
By your similar logic the Majority wouldn't be deciding for you as you can just immigrate to another country.

The question is why you consider a State deciding through a majority of voters, Democracy. Yet the Collection of States(Federal Government) deciding for the Country through elected officials not Democracy and not good.

You can't have it both ways.

raumdeuter:


Another lie or deliberate mis characterization

Vance was advocating for families and people with children will understand the struggles and not just people who theorize on families without having one

For example I believe no one will have a daughter and advocate that men should share bathrooms with his daughter

Huh? Here's a direct quote:

"It's just a basic fact — you look at Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, AOC — the entire future of the Democrats is controlled by people without children,” Vance continued. “And how does it make any sense that we've turned our country over to people who don't really have a direct stake in it?"

Point out the lie/mischaraterisation I made.

Let's stick with the topic, continue to provide examples of Democrats using personal attacks to say a person is not fit for office.

ono:


Even the Lord God Himself said women should not be allowed to speak in His congregations. Women are not allowed to lead in churches - or even mosques for that matter.

Now this is me o, personally, I dislike it when women lead countries. Yes, some have proven to be good leaders and all, yet, I don’t like it. Not that at this point in the world there’s anything I can do about it anymore. It will take God himself coming down to earth to let humans know his desires - since His words have now been relegated to the background.

And say what you like, I will go with Vance, even though it will be good to know why the woman, Kamala does not have any child (adopted or biologically given birth to) in the first place. Yes, I’m “insensitive” “callous” “mean” etc etc. I don’t care.

LMAO! raumdeuter shey you dey see am? Bwahahahahaha!

raumdeuter:


I wish you luck in your quest to educate him

I don't need education on any matter vis a vis US politics from you.
Lol.
You're trying to have a grown up discussion but haven't gone through puberty yet.
It's frustrating and exhausting hearing you ramble on pretending you have a clue.

IjeBos:


I don't need education on any matter vis a vis US politics from you.
Lol.
You're trying to have a grown up discussion but haven't gone through puberty yet.
It's frustrating and exhausting hearing you ramble on pretending you have a clue.

Almost everyone here agrees you have the intellectual ability of a 2nd grader

LordReed:


LMAO! ramdeuter shey you dey see am? Bwahahahahaha!

That is his opinion

budaatum:


What?! Do the voters not decide who the elected legislators are, so by proxy, the voters do decide?

Do voters in America not decide between dump and Harris, and therefore the Federal laws that are made?

There's a debacle involving a Chinese company and Ogun State where the Chinese company is selling off Nigerian assets. The people of Ogun State haven't realised it yet that they are responsible for electing the stupid legislators who put them in this debacle, but they will when the Nigerian government starts recouping what it lost through the incompetence of the Ogun State legislators that the people elected.

IjeBos sets his mind on republicans bad, so anything they do, even if they cure cancer is bad. That's how close minded he is.

The same way individual states chose to have abortion or not to have it, it is the same way they vote for who will be the president.

IjeBos:


This is somewhat convoluted. The majority refers to the majority of the electorate or the majority people making the laws. You are jumping from State to Federal in an odd way.
By your similar logic the Majority of the US wouldn't be deciding for you as you can just immigrate to another country.

The question is why you consider a State deciding through a majority of voters, Democracy. Yet the Collection of States(Federal Government) deciding for the Country through elected officials not democracy and not good.

I can not only "immigrate to another country". As I said, I can also stay in the country and break the law!

Your "Collection of States" is not the Federal Government"! And that's just not what the current (corrupt, my opinion) Scotus has decided should be done. And to be honest, I get to laugh at their stupidity, since no state so far has decided "my body state choice". And if/when any state does say "my body state choice", I'd be delighted to see what they'd do to the woman who says fuq the state and aborts.

raumdeuter:


That is his opinion

Mirrored and shared by quite a number of Republicans.