EnlightenedUFO:


And in September of all times, when he's way down in the polls and not attracting any new voters to himself.

LordReed:


Let's even discount that one what of the other man?

raumdeuter:


Why should we discount it?

raumdeuter:

What an extremely stupid post

I will expect you know what a fundamental human right is.

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

IjeBos:


You're fundamentally incapable of compound thought as evidenced by your posts yesterday.
1.) It's pretty rich of you to quote the UN.
2.) The UN also says:

Preventing someone from getting reproductive medical care would be a deprivation of the right to life and definitely of security (as Canada found harkening them to legalize abortion)

But what is more of a fundamental right than the control of your Body? Tell me what can be a more fundamental right than that?
I'm generally opposed to abortion. But when I thought about rights it forced me to believe that it has to be legal. The greatest right we have it the right to control our own beings. So, I decided up until the point a baby comes out of a body, humans should have absolute control of what happens to their own bodies as there is no more a fundamental right. It sux to say, but I can't even rationalize a counter to that. But what business do you or anyone else have to decide for me what I can with my body.

Again, in the past, the US decided that not being a slave was not a fundamental human right. That changed and slavery was abolished not because the Supreme Court thought it was illegal based on the Bill of Rights and that it was a fundamental human right but because the 13th amendment was passed.

IjeBos:


You're fundamentally incapable of compound thought as evidenced by your posts yesterday.
1.) It's pretty rich of you to quote the UN.
2.) The UN also says:

Preventing someone from getting reproductive medical care would be a deprivation of the right to life and definitely of security (as Canada found harkening them to legalize abortion)

But what is more of a fundamental right than the control of your Body? Tell me what can be a more fundamental right than that?
I'm generally opposed to abortion. But when I thought about rights it forced me to believe that it has to be legal. The greatest right we have is the right to control our own beings. So, I decided up until the point a baby comes out of a body, humans should have absolute control of what happens to their own bodies as there is no more a fundamental right. It sux to say, but I can't even rationalize a counter to that. So, what business do you or anyone else have to decide for me what I can with my body. Why does your opinion matter?

Again, in the past, the US decided that not being a slave was not a fundamental human right. That changed and slavery was abolished not because the Supreme Court thought it was illegal based on the Bill of Rights and that it was a fundamental human right but because the 13th amendment was passed.

IjeBos:


It's like saying Biden "failed on executive ordering" the end of climate change.

budaatum:


It is my opinion that President Biden failed on executive ordering my body my choice due to being "limited by what he could do and that wasn't much".

So, the battle continues until every state in the USA accepts my body my choice.

bemeruca:


This dude says he went to Harvard

IjeBos:


Where did you go again? Lol
Honestly, you don't even have a casual understanding, let alone a historical understanding of half the bullshit you post here.
It's almost comical you come here peddling your bullshit as if you're intelligent or educated on any of it.

raumdeuter:


Everyone has the right to life and It has been argued by anti-abortion people that a foetus is already human and killing the foetus is denying it the right to life

raumdeuter:
Comparing abortion to slavery is super dumb

ono:


Useless views. It is these types of views that’s causing the terrible changes we see in societies in the US and the Western World in general. Your type should be castrated and locked up in a hell hole - with the keys thrown into the Pacific Ocean.

raumdeuter:


Everyone has the right to life and It has been argued by anti-abortion people that a foetus is already human and killing the foetus is denying it the right to life

Comparing abortion to slavery is super dumb

LordReed:


Because I am not interested in arguing if she's Republican or not, let's address the one who clearly is a Republican.

budaatum:
Arguing a thing does not make it so. There is after all ongoing argument that a foetus is not a life, but you wouldn't therefore accept that killing a foetus is not the denial of life. Or would you?

Its not exactly comparing. Slavery went through the same sort of arguments and process abortion is going through today, and that is very comparable.

budaatum:


If Biden executive ordered the end of climate change and climate continued to change, then Biden obviously failed at ending climate change, I'd say, and I'd laugh at Biden thinking he could executive order the end of climate change and climate change would be executed. I in fact wouldn't want him to be president because he's shown he's not exactly smart at all.

Biden knew he couldn't executive order my body my choice, and therefore didn't. Instead, he executive ordered what he could, and he's out there saying vote Kamala and vote Democrat senators and representatives so Blue has majorities in both houses and can legislate my body my choice.

Even then, I'd still expect some states to find ways to 'my body state choice', state in this case not being We the People. But they will fail in the end, I hope, or throw women in jail for aborting and be the butt of wrath.

Arkansas Supreme Court Denies Bid to Get Abortion Measure on the Ballot
A majority on the state Supreme Court sided with the secretary of state, who had rejected a citizen group’s petition for failing to submit some of the necessary paperwork.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/22/us/politics/arkansas-abortion-amendment.html

IjeBos:


So, when women become pregnant they are now incubators and their rights suspended?
It's nonsense thinking singly based on your view of religion.

You sound stupid saying this shit.
Just cut the Bullshit and say you're Christian and as a Christian you think abortion is wrong and people should defer to Christian rules.
As least you won't continuously sound dumb making stupid incoherent rationalizations.

raumdeuter:


I have posted multiple times that I support abortion. But in your infinite stupidity you already know I am a Xtian and I defer to Christian rules

IjeBos:


Most of what you write about abortion is so illogical it has to come from some personal bias.

IjeBos:


Most of what you write about abortion is so illogical it has to come from some personal bias.

budaatum:


I guess this is why you'd like to abolish the constitution and democracy and appoint king dump, and why it pleases me to constantly see you fail.

IjeBos:


I'll just assume you are being somewhat facetious.
This isn't about letting people decide, this is about Christian Fundamentals deciding their religion allows them the ability to determine other people's rights.
If it were about allowing people to decide, Republicans wouldn't be fighting to prevent abortion amendments to be put up for vote.

IjeBos:


You're fundamentally incapable of compound thought as evidenced by your posts yesterday.
1.) It's pretty rich of you to quote the UN.
2.) The UN also says:

Preventing someone from getting reproductive medical care could be a deprivation of the right to life and definitely of security (as Canada found harkening them to legalize abortion)

But what is more of a fundamental right than the control of your Body? Tell me what can be a more fundamental right than that?
I'm generally opposed to abortion. But when I thought about rights it forced me to believe that it has to be legal. The greatest right we have is the right to control our own beings. So, I decided up until the point a baby comes out of a body, humans should have absolute control of what happens to their own bodies as there is no more a fundamental right. It sux to say, but I can't even rationalize a counter to that. So, what business do you or anyone else have to decide for me what I can with my body. Why does your opinion matter?

Again, in the past, the US decided that not being a slave was not a fundamental human right. That changed and slavery was abolished not because the Supreme Court thought it was illegal based on the Bill of Rights and that it was a fundamental human right but because the 13th amendment was passed.

ono:


Ah…it’s you buda. How is it I didn’t see that ? I thought it was Ijeshit.

Anyways, please read that Federalist article on marriage in the link shared and come back with your views. Thanks.

ono:


Useless views. It is these types of views that’s causing the terrible changes we see in societies in the US and the Western World in general. Your type should be castrated and locked up in a hell hole - with the keys thrown into the Pacific Ocean.

A decent article by the Federalist in the link below.

https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/23/everyone-is-better-off-when-people-make-marriage-and-family-a-priority/

raumdeuter:

Moslems do not support abortion, why didnt you claim I am a Moslem?

All your write up on every topic are so infantile and silly. Almost everyone wonders where things went wrong with you

IjeBos:


Are you a Muslim?

Everyone who discusses anything with you finds you exhausting.
You supplement bullshit for coherent thought.
And when you get called out on it you continue to Bullshit.

It's ok not to be the smartest person in the room. The goal should still be to learn as much as possible not defending indefensible positions and wearing people out in the process.

budaatum:


Christian fundamentals are people. And I do believe you can see that I'd rather not have those imbeciles decide anything for me.

Unfortunately for Repuglicans, the United States is a democracy where the people do get to decide. And I can't wait to see them up their game and try to abolish democracy. Now, that would be a hoot.

And before you say it, I have seen what I would call evidence of some trying to abolish democracy already and turn USA into its own version of the Islamic Republic of Iran. And my response while facetious is full of wonder that some people could so ignorantly be turkeying for Christmas while some in Iran are trying to my body my choice.

budaatum:


You not insulting me did make me go look at it.

While people may be better off in marriage, some may still choose not to marry, and you can't force them to marry if they don't want to.

Its the same as not robbing banks may be better off for people, but some still want to rob banks.

The article lists benefits of being married and having children. You can't force people to enjoy benefits that they decide they don't want to.

IjeBos:


The Trump's team plan is to turn the US into a Christian nation.

ono:


I generally don’t insult people. I dislike those who do. But I also appreciate that sometimes, you’d be forced to make insults after reading some response to your posts. I’ve been on this forum for years - since 2005. Some of you in here will most likely be kids at the time. Anyways.

So, sentiments aside, marriage is good for every and any society. If you read that article to the end, you’d see the negative implications of a society that refuse to procreate and replenish themselves. Is this what you wish for the US ? The writer gave cogent examples - with facts and figures of how the US population is aging and appears there’s no end in sight and that it won’t end well at the rate they’re going. Me I’m tired of typing.

ono:


Useless views. It is these types of views that’s causing the terrible changes we see in societies in the US and the Western World in general. Your type should be castrated and locked up in a hell hole - with the keys thrown into the Pacific Ocean.

A decent article by the Federalist in the link below.

https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/23/everyone-is-better-off-when-people-make-marriage-and-family-a-priority/