StillDtruth:


Ah! She is the worst kind of person to debate with. She is very very unfair and cheats, fights dirty and hits below the belt breaking every rule you know and don't know.

Its like that olympic woman who fought a man.

It is already an unfair fight.

That is one of the reasons i joined nairaland. Atheists don't have a valid case that is why you see that they are always underground crawling like bandits and.drug dealers and scammers. It is only in social discuss that they have power because they know most people have not yet seen.that they are big deluded people trying and struggling to sound intelligent, which people accept as intelligent.

Not knowing it is materially void and empty.

JessicaRabbit:


You do realize that most atheists have better things to do than to sit on their ass all day to engage in eternal rounds of "prove the existence of God" bingo? We have lives, we have careers, and we have Netflix shows to binge. Me personally, I have a work calendar that's more crowded than a wedding reception in Lagos. In past debates, I've taken up to a month to respond to my opponent, not because I was "floored" or "ran away," but because I have priorities. Nevertheless, if you want to dance, we'll dance, but under the following conditions. Logic will be our guide: No logical fallacies, no emotional appeals, no straw men. Also, and this is very important: we must stick to the rules of reason and evidence. Empirical evidence and scientific consensus will be our benchmarks for truth claims. No sentimental arguments, and no unprovoked personal attacks that don't contribute to the discussion in any way, shape or form.

For the sake of fairness and to prevent butthurt or dishonest narratives from being peddled, I would propose that we enlist at least 3 mature, intellectual and objective monikers as our referee and judge. Someone with no stakes in this argument and who can call out fallacies, ensure we stick to the rules, and declare a winner (or a stalemate, if that's where the evidence leads). So, if you're ready to put your argument through the wringer, I'm game. But don't expect any free passes or special treatment. I'm as strict as they come when it comes to upholding the rules of logic and the scientific method.

Please respond accordingly to this post, accepting the aforementioned conditions. If you accept, then give me a mention and I'll proceed to respond to the arguments presented in your OP. Thanks.

FxMasterz:


You're a lawyer. You can join the debate and be our referee. I'll try my best to spot infractions as they come.

Thanks in advance.

StillDtruth:


I can't and will not always be here at the material time to point out any infraction she may make before you respond. And i'm about signing off now to do somethings things and will only come in when i.want to play here.

And you have a very big weakness going against her, she is not the ordinary people you argue with, she knows how to argue and decitfull arguments which sound reasonable but are all invalid arguments because they break many rules of debates which she knows including ones she does not know.

Then you have a second problem. She does not fight fair, she always, always fights dirty and Lies when she sees she is going to lose.

And atheism is built on Lies, so if you cannot spot or prediict the lie in advance, you would walk into trap for she guarantees that she will Lie and throw every dirty trick and misrepresentation and distortion of facts and natural Truth, so the debate will never ever be fair as you have already seen she did even from the beggining.

I recommend you do not engage her for she is not the normal people you engage.

StillDtruth:


DeepSight a lawyer? is a Lie!

Lawyers are trained to be impartial that is why we are Judges

The partisan nature of a lawyer is because the opponent already has a lawyer on his side and boh sides will be going to a Judge himself a lawyer, who suppports no side.

That is why you must have seen lawyers representing the 2 sides because in that moment he is an Arbitrator as you see ADR.

kingxsamz:


Telling me "there has to be a creator" shows you're not even sure. So like I told the other guy, I'm not going to be arguing based on speculations and assumptions.
Also, if you say you can prove that supernatural powers exist, click this thread and stand a chance to win millions of naira. Thank me later.

https://www.nairaland.com/6761238/win-2.5-million-naira-prove

If the link doesn't work, contact him on Twitter and tell him you want to join the challenge. Good luck.

SIRTee15:


Even if there's no god, there has to be a creator.
Law of infinite regress makes lack of a creator impossible.
Nothing comes from nothing, and the chain of creation cannot be infinity, otherwise there will be no 1st cause. And without a first cause, there can't be an existence.
Everything that exists has a cause. If there is no first cause, then the chain of causes would go back infinitely, and there would be no explanation for why anything exists
There has to be an ultimate intelligent design for the universe, metaverse or whatever verse to make sense.

The argument of existence happening by chance or random makes no sense. Its a theory that has no example in our world or universe or existence.
I'm yet to see any complex creation coming by chance or random- None.
Instead there are thousands of evidence purposeful creation and generation of complex creations including the eye.
And that's what Fxmasterz just proved.

And if there's actually a creator and he generates living souls, why do U think this intelligent design do not want us to be grateful to him.
A non living soul cannot create a living soul. So that intelligent design must have a soul. If he has a soul, why do U think he doesnt want to communicate with us?

Some may argue the intelligent designer doesn't need to have a soul but the dark powers in our world is evidence of existence of a soul.

If any atheist is denying existence of dark powers, he should allow me take him to my village and witness things. At least I can prove to any atheist existence of dark powers.

I would have been an agnostic myself if not for things I saw and witnessed while growing up in my home town.

FxMasterz:


Thanks for the heads-up. I understand the situation about you rejecting my invite.

I'll be very much at alert against her antics since I'm now aware of them. The Spirit of God would raise a higher standard against her.

I have challenged AI before challenging Atheists here. Even AI gave in. Screenshot posted below. Atheism is just lies upon lies upon lies. The more you're able to quickly spot the lies and deceits, the quicker atheism falls.

Thanks again.

FxMasterz:


Can you show me where I said you should believe in a Creator?

Is this thread about proof of what the Creator is? We're talking about the existence of a Creator only. If you have nothing to say, shouldn't you sit back and read what others have to say?

jaephoenix:

Jesus the son of Andromeda!
Is that how you challenged and won an AI?
lol 😆
Please show us a screenshot of the debate.
That is how you ranted that you floored me

JessicaRabbit:


Well then, I reject this format.

The idea is to have referees who have no stake in this debate. StillDtruth is not one of those people. If I wanted, I could call in Maynman or AntiChristian or Judas1x. But I don't need them here. If I need someone who leans more to one side of the debate than the other, then what's the point of making it an exclusive debate? We can as well make it a free for all where everybody can just butt in and argue against each other.

I personally don't need a lawyer. I'm more than capable myself of pointing out fallacies in others' argument without having someone else do it for me. That's the point of having referees, or a jury if you will. They will vote in the end to decide a winner based on the logical framework of their argument.

If you're not willing to reconsider this, then I'm not having this debate.

Hello .

I should probably correct you and let you know that I'm not entirely a biased guy. The fact that I enjoy coming down hard on Christians doesn't mean I'm not capable of deciphering strong logical arguments from the weak ones. I've read everything you wrote here and I agree what the angle you're pushing,... but Fxmasterz sounds like a pussy azz nigga to me. Look how quickly he folded when you tried to make the debate as official as possible . These low rent apologists don't recognize what a real debate is. Nairaland don make them feel say na by trolling and insults. That's why I refuse to debate them normally myself. I still make my reasoned arguments, but I also make sure I insult them mercilessly for hours unending until they fold like wet tissues.

But this one that StillDTruth StillDFool is running upandan like a headless chicken trying to stop people from replying to you, e be like say you really did a number on him. Kudos .

jaephoenix:
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So who created this very complex and powerful entity that created all those?

kingxsamz:


Seems like you have memory loss.

SIRTee15:


If he's willing to follow me to my home town, I will prove it to him. Simple as ABC.

'There has to be' mean it's impossible for an alternative to exist.
That's the point.
That we cannot prove it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It only shows we have not developed the technology/innovation to discover it.
There was a time people didn't know about the existence of virus. Will U then say virus didn't exist at the time of their ignorance from people.

Again read more about metaphysical. All these weak arguments have been dealt with by philosophers as far back as the time of Aristotle and Plato. They all came down with the same conclusion- there must be an intelligent design for existence to make sense.

Nothing comes from nothing, and the chain of creation cannot be infinity, otherwise there will be no 1st cause. And without a first cause, there can't be an existence.
Everything that exists has a cause. If there is no first cause, then the chain of causes would go back infinitely, and there would be no explanation for why anything exists
There has to be an ultimate intelligent design for the universe, metaverse or whatever verse to make sense.

FxMasterz:


Come on go and sit down. We were arguing about purposeful designs and the existence of a Creator before you ran away as everyone who goes through the thread can see. Why do you love lying and dishonesty this much? You can't speak a single truth in your life ? Should I bring screenshots to disprove you?

Everyday247:
This is kinda true in a sense. There are intelligent theists and there are dumb theists. Also there are intelligent atheists and there are dumb atheists. Most of the time it's usually intelligent atheists arguing against dumb theists, thats why these debates always appear to lean in favour of atheists.
Many theists are not properly prepared for debates. And just tend to dive in recklessly hence making them easy pickings. FXmasterz has the right idea to prepare before hand. One should always prepare before coming for a debate.
BTW, you know I'm one of them, right?

SIRTee15:


I looked at the thread but as usual, all talk from the atheist but no action.
I can bet U don't even have the liver to enter a fake JuJu priest shrine in ikorodu not to talk about the ones in the village.
U go just kpai for nothing.

Let me tell U a story about what I witnessed

There was a time our meter was stolen. Someone came into the house and stole our meter.
My Dad demanded explanation from the vigilante because he paid his monthly fee dutifully and sometimes give extra. So what exactly is their usefulness if they couldn't watch guard at night?
My dad made it clear he wouldn't pay the vigilante fee anymore if they don't fish out the thief.
Few days later, they bought a man to our house and claim he was the thief. The guy denied it but the vigilante group insisted he was the thief.
They then forced him to take an oath on his life if he's truly innocent which he did. They took him to their shrine to enforce the oath. They specifically told him if he was lying he will burst to death.
The following week, I came back from school only to hear the thief was dead. What killed him- nobody knows. He just fell ill, became edematous and died.
A lot of people confirmed he actually stole our meter.

He could have had kidney failure, heart failure, liver failure whatever- they cause swollen body.
But the co incidence and correlation cannot be ignored.

His death rattled me because that would be the first time someone's death could be attributed to me indirectly and I thought about it for a long time.

They play.... supernatural force exist. Only the naive will deny it.

I will come back and explain the limitations.of these dark powers in the physical world B4 someone open their mouth and say why is it not helping Africa
develop?

SIRTee15:


Go and read about law of infinite regress and First cause.
Then we can discuss.

Everyday247:
This is kinda true in a sense. There are intelligent theists and there are dumb theists. Also there are intelligent atheists and there are dumb atheists. Most of the time it's usually intelligent atheists arguing against dumb theists, thats why these debates always appear to lean in favour of atheists.
Many theists are not properly prepared for debates. And just tend to dive in recklessly hence making them easy pickings. FXmasterz has the right idea to prepare before hand. One should always prepare before coming for a debate.
BTW, you know I'm one of them, right?

Jesu! Stray bullet don knack StillDFool, sorry, StillDTruth .

StillDtruth you're the only Christian I know that sleeps on Nairaland religion section crying about atheists and fighting with them. It can only be you they are talking about here .

jaephoenix:

Then point us to those intelligent theists. This dress on Nairaland are just misfits

SIRTee15:


I looked at the thread but as usual, all talk from the atheist but no action.
I can bet U don't even have the liver to enter a fake JuJu priest shrine in ikorodu not to talk about the ones in the village.
U go just kpai for nothing.

Let me tell U a story about what I witnessed

There was a time our meter was stolen. Someone came into the house and stole our meter.
My Dad demanded explanation from the vigilante because he paid his monthly fee dutifully and sometimes give extra. So what exactly is their usefulness if they couldn't watch guard at night?
My dad made it clear he wouldn't pay the vigilante fee anymore if they don't fish out the thief.
Few days later, they bought a man to our house and claim he was the thief. The guy denied it but the vigilante group insisted he was the thief.
They then forced him to take an oath on his life if he's truly innocent which he did. They took him to their shrine to enforce the oath. They specifically told him if he was lying he will burst to death.
The following week, I came back from school only to hear the thief was dead. What killed him- nobody knows. He just fell ill, became edematous and died.
A lot of people confirmed he actually stole our meter.

He could have had kidney failure, heart failure, liver failure whatever- they cause swollen body.
But the co incidence and correlation cannot be ignored.

His death rattled me because that would be the first time someone's death could be attributed to me indirectly and I thought about it for a long time.

They play.... supernatural force exist. Only the naive will deny it.

I will come back and explain the limitations.of these dark powers in the physical world B4 someone open their mouth and say why is it not helping Africa
develop?

SIRTee15:


If he's willing to follow me to my home town, I will prove it to him. Simple as ABC.

'There has to be' mean it's impossible for an alternative to exist.
That's the point.
That we cannot prove it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It only shows we have not developed the technology/innovation to discover it.
There was a time people didn't know about the existence of virus. Will U then say virus didn't exist at the time of their ignorance from people.

Again read more about metaphysical. All these weak arguments have been dealt with by philosophers as far back as the time of Aristotle and Plato. They all came down with the same conclusion- there must be an intelligent design for existence to make sense.

Nothing comes from nothing, and the chain of creation cannot be infinity, otherwise there will be no 1st cause. And without a first cause, there can't be an existence.
Everything that exists has a cause. If there is no first cause, then the chain of causes would go back infinitely, and there would be no explanation for why anything exists
There has to be an ultimate intelligent design for the universe, metaverse or whatever verse to make sense.

FxMasterz:


If you reject the format then you're not being sincere about engaging in a honest debate. This shows you really want to break the rules and get away with it.

StillDtruth:


DeepSight a lawyer? is a Lie!

Lawyers are trained to be impartial that is why we are Judges

The partisan nature of a lawyer is because the opponent already has a lawyer on his side and boh sides will be going to a Judge himself a lawyer, who suppports no side.

That is why you must have seen lawyers representing the 2 sides because in that moment he is an Arbitrator as you see ADR.

Bwahahahaaa ! Mehn, you're stupid as fucck!

The whole point of being a lawyer is to advocate for one side only! Also just listen to how stupid and inconsistent you sound. So according to you lawyers don't support any side, but then in the same breath you foolishly admit that lawyers represent opposing sides in a case?! Haven't you just ended up proving her point? Hahahaaa

Despite arming you with an internet-ready phone, opening up a window for you to connect with the civilized world, you still exhibit all the mental defects from your generational line . This is the clownish cunt with sawdust brain that Fxmasterz wants to handle a debate ?

FxMasterz:


Thanks for the heads-up. I understand the situation about you rejecting my invite.

I'll be very much at alert against her antics since I'm now aware of them. The Spirit of God would raise a higher standard against her.

I have challenged AI before challenging Atheists here. Even AI gave in. Screenshot posted below. Atheism is just lies upon lies upon lies. The more you're able to quickly spot the lies and deceits, the quicker atheism falls.

Thanks again.

Everyday247:
FXmasterz has the right idea to prepare before hand. One should always prepare before coming for a debate.
BTW, you know I'm one of them, right?

Preparing? Dude, he ran away !

kingxsamz:


I don't need your long story. Just contact him and stand a chance to win millions.

jaephoenix:

Evidence. We don't do anecdotes here

kingxsamz:


Cool, enter his dm and tell him all that. I'm sure both of you can come to an agreement.

And @ the bolded part of your comment, not only are you making assumptions, you're also contradicting yourself. Like I said, if you cannot provide proof, there's no point. I don't want to hear "maybes", "ifs" and "there has to bes". If you're only speculating then there's no need.

SIRTee15:


Lots of people already challenged him but of course he cowardly ran away.
One even challenged him on rain maker.

If U not going to stick out your neck for him then don't bring him here
2.5m means nothing to me.
I'm not dealing with him...I'm dealing with U.
Don't waste my time by deferring to things U can't beat your chest on.

SIRTee15:


If my sister confirms the story....will that be evidence.
I could drop a link about our conversation on the subject.