MaxInDHouse:
So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. However, what is spiritual is not first. What is physical is first, and afterward what is spiritual. The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one. But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:42-50

With this it's evident that Christ was given another body (spiritual) according to verse 44 (incorruptible) according to verse 42 without which no one can go to heaven according to verse 50.

Westerhoffe:

What do you think will happen at the resurrection?

MaxInDHouse:


What happened to Lazarus at his resurrection?

bobestman:
This ppl in their many errors have got understanding in many things more than you Pentecostals. No man can ancend into the heaven with his earthly body which is very weak and limits the power of the soul. Christ and many who Ascended are Ascended MASTERS. They have been their before they descended. Their aim whenever it is their season to reincarnate into earth is to instruct and guide others in truth especially when the world has been corrupted with lies and false teachings. When they finish their assignment they ascend back. Their kind are the only ones who ancend and descend to heaven. Heaven is a spiritual place and not for everyone but the chosen masters.

So Christ truly resurrected but to ascend, he must put off the earthly body which limits the capabilities of the soul. When you sleep or meditate your physical body is dead and the soul is alive with his capabilities, that is why you see visions, fight and conquer that is if your soul is powerful. Your earthly bodies limits the power of your soul. For Christ to ascend after resurrection he must shield that earthly body. Anyone who want to ascend must pass thru the Stargate which is in the Sun a powerful light, your earthly body can not stand it and it must die and you will be given a new one before you can go further. This is what is written as spiritual body. You ascend with a spiritual body not your earthly body which is weak. Many of us are ancient souls just like the Christ but we can't remember things that happen in our past lives cos of the the weak body we were clothed with but when we sleep or meditate we can see or have knowledge of things we did in the past. Your earthly body limits the power of your soul. Christ Ascended with a spiritual body not the earthly one

This also makes it clear to you Christians that one can't enter wherever you know as heaven or see God as a dead person. Christ need to resurrect with his physical body before he can ascend. You can't see God as a dead man but as a living cos only the living can praise or see God

We this few points of mineI I have proofed to you that JWs are right on this and that many of you Pentecostals have few knowledge on this issues

Thank you

Westerhoffe:

I should be asking you that…
Was Lazarus in his corruptible or incorruptible body when he was raised from the dead?

Westerhoffe:

When Elijah and Enoch were taken up to heaven, in which body were they taken?

Westerhoffe:


When Elijah and Enoch were taken up to heaven, in which body were they taken?

MaxInDHouse:


Elijah was transported to another part of the earth just as a plane flies into the sky (heavens) today and lands in another part of planet earth and as for Enoch God took his life and kept him safe untill the time of the second resurrection when he will join billions like Abel and others who have earthly hope.

Only BORN AGAIN Christians can be taken to heaven and that is after their resurrection because sinful human bodies are corruptible so they can't go to heaven.

Regarding this Jesus said:

no (human) has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man. John 3:13

bobestman:

Lol. I already answered your question
You can't leave this realm called earth with your weak earthly body.
The soul is the real you not your body. Your body is just a cloth you put on whenever you come to Earth. It's weak and limits your powers. This is why in visions and dreams you see yourself do extraordinary things but when you wake up in reality you can't do those things. Your weak body limits the power in your soul.
Your earthly body is made for this earth which is earthly
Your soul is made for a higher spiritual realm which is spiritual
As your soul can't function alone on earth without a body so your your earthly bodies will be shield off before you can enter a higher spiritual realm.
The Christ who is an ancient soul, a higher being and god man, when he wants to come to earth need to take on a body that is used on earth (Born again with an earthly body). He needed to be born of a woman to have our experience But on leaving earth he will shield that earthly body for a spiritual one used in higher realms

So anyone born of human who want to ascend out of this earth be it Elijah, Enoch, Christ, yiur ancestors etc must shield their earthly bodies for a spiritual one before they can ascend. Like I said earlier, to ascend, one must pass thru the Stargate which is in the sun. That sun alone will melt you earthly body. This is why a spiritual body is given if one wants to ascend

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Westerhoffe:


"Elijah taken to another part of the earth…" And you tell this kind of a lie openly!?

“And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.”
— 2 Kings 2:11 (KJV)

How you guys lie against the Bible is baffling.

Enoch was taken to heaven likewise.

[b]These men did not ascend of their own power like JESUS CHRIST did. So don't confuse yourself about this by misquoting John 3:13.

At the ascension of JESUS CHRIST into heaven, He went up on His own power.
Elijah was taken up with the chariots of fire.
GOD declared He took Enoch. These two men did not die to first to resurrect.

Why do you guys enjoy twisting the Bible at will?
Why?
What do you stand to gain in it?

Westerhoffe:


I know about the difference between the Spirit, Soul, and Body.

I was not asking you for explanation, I asked, in which body was Enoch and Elijah taken up?

You said spiritual body, what happened to their physical bodies?

I once said JESUS CHRIST took back His body which had become immortal and incorruptible after it had went through death to resurrection, which is why even though the prints of the nails and stabs were on Him, He did not bleed because He has been transformed.

Well, you may not understand this, and I understand that.

obonujoker:

Someone saw Charles Taze Russell in hell fire for his false doctrine along with Joseph Smith (Mormonism) and Ellen G White (Seven Day adventist).
If Jesus didn't resurrect with His flesh, then what was Doubting Thomas asked to touch?? Ghost or spirit nail marks?

MaxInDHouse:


He said to them:

“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now." John 16:12
So there are many things Jesus wanted them to know but as at that time they can't grasp it all so it's after they've been baptized with God's Holy Spirit that they realized Jesus didn't resurrect with a CORRUPTIBLE body that which could be destroyed with wounds such as nails! 1Corinthians 15:42
Thomas was a dear friend of Jesus who always wanted to see something before believing that is why Jesus needs to present a materialized body to convince his friend no wonder Jesus told him:
"so it's until you see these things that you will believe? Well blessed are those who didn't see me but believe" John 20:29

Thomas a good friend of Jesus needed to see all that before believing that his friend has been raised from the dead but in reality Jesus was raised as a spirit being! 1Corinthians 15:44-45

So stop following Thomas's ideas for he wasn't a strong believer he only love Jesus as a friend!

Ken4Christ:
It's quite unfortunate that in this age of enlightenment, millions can be deceived to believe the lies of Jehovah Witness organisation. One of such lies is that Jesus didn't rise from the dead with his body. I know some of their new members are not aware of this teachings. But I have my evidence from their own book. See it below;

FLESHLY BODY NOT TAKEN TO HEAVEN

However, many persons believe that Christ took his fleshly body to heaven. They point to the fact that when Christ was raised from the dead, his fleshly body was no longer in the tomb. (Mark 16:5-7) Also, after his death Jesus appeared to his disciples in a fleshly body to show them that he was alive.

Once He even had the apostle Thomas put his hand into the hole in His side so that Thomas would believe that He had actually been resurrected. (John 2k24-27) Does this not prove that Christ was raised alive in the same body in which he was put to death?

No, it does not. The Bible is very clear when it says: "Christ died once for all time put to in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit."
(1 Peter 3:18) Humans with flesh-and-blood bodies cannot live in heaven. Of the resurrection to heavenly life, the Bible says: "It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. . . flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom." (1 Corinthians 1544-50) Only spirit persons with spiritual bodies can live in heaven.

Well, then, what happened to Jesus' fleshly body? Did not the disciples find his tomb empty? They did, because God removed Jesus' body. Why did God do this? It fulfilled what had been written in the Bible. (Psalm 16:lO; Acts 2:31) Thus Jehovah saw fit to remove Jesus' body, even as he had done before with Moses' body. @euteronomy 34:5, 6) Also, if the body had been left in the tomb, Jesus' disciples could not have understood that he had been raised from the dead, since at that, time they did not fully appreciate spiritual things.

Excerpt from, You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth. (Pages 143-144)Je

obonujoker:


So Jesus lied when He told Thomas to feel his wounds on His hands and legs?

obonujoker:

So Jesus lied when He told Thomas to feel his wounds on His hands and legs?

MaxInDHouse:

Call it whatever you want the fact remains that Thomas is not a strong believer but loves his friend so dearly that's why Jesus did what is necessary.

MightySparrow:

You guys are just teaching anything you like!
You even criticize Thomas that saw Jesus face to face. The other time, one of you claimed that what an Apostles said should not be taken seriously but ONLY Jesus words.
I pity you people.;F

MaxInDHouse:


There's no need exchanging words with you go and meet Oyedepo he will teach you the evangelism you want!

MightySparrow:

Your Delusional Majesty.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're truly convinced that someone is deluded then why always following him up and down?

bobestman:

Hahaha you are the one far from understanding these simple things
I have explained to you twice what it takes to ancend into the dimensions of light but you still lack understanding. Your physical body can only function in this realm.

Elijah and Co were transformed before they can ascend. Can you fly into the air with your normal body? NO. They were transformed or given a spiritual body with which one can ascend into the realm of light. When one want to ascend, the physical body will die and the soul will take up a spiritual one

Your problem here is that you lack knowledge on the mystery of resurrection ancension. In resurrection, the soul is called back from the realm he is. In death some souls still stay around their body until they are buried. After burial they go to their realm. In 3 to 10 days some might have reached their realm while some are still walking to their realm. A higher power can decide to stop them or in the case of Lazarus call the soul back into the body. When this happens the soul goes back into that body and together with the spirit it resurrects. When this happens, it same person that came back. Same soul and body so it is not a spiritual or transformed body. It's same person that died that came back. So when Christ died and resurrected or came out from the soul realm, he came out with same body he died with not a spiritual or transformed body cos in this case the soul have to fused back into the body in the grave and the spirit will lighten it. This is why they all knew him and the scars was seen too. You resurrect with the body you died in. Ppl who died and came back or resurrected still have memory of everything about them.

But in ancension, you will have to put off the earthly body for a spiritual one that can function in the realm you are going

These things are simple but your hardened mind won't help you understand.

MaxInDHouse:


He said to them:

“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now." John 16:12
So there are many things Jesus wanted them to know but as at that time they can't grasp it all so it's after they've been baptized with God's Holy Spirit that they realized Jesus didn't resurrect with a CORRUPTIBLE body that which could be destroyed with wounds such as nails! 1Corinthians 15:42
Thomas was a dear friend of Jesus who always wanted to see something before believing that is why Jesus needs to present a materialized body to convince his friend no wonder Jesus told him:
"so it's until you see these things that you will believe? Well blessed are those who didn't see me but believe" John 20:29

Thomas a good friend of Jesus needed to see all that before believing that his friend has been raised from the dead but in reality Jesus was raised as a spirit being! 1Corinthians 15:44-45

So stop following Thomas's ideas for he wasn't a strong believer he only love Jesus as a friend!

Westerhoffe:


Stop this… come on!

How can JESUS CHRIST resurrect with a corruptible body when He took back a body with nail prints without bleeding or soring?

Do you even understand what transformation through resurrection as in the case of JESUS CHRIST?

MaxInDHouse:


If you're truly convinced that someone is deluded then why always following him up and down?

MightySparrow:

Just to cheer myself up in leisure time.